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PFIZER'S MCKINNELL TO GET $180 MILLION RETIREMENT PACKAGE
Yahoo Finance ^ | 21 December 2006 | Ellen Simon

Posted on 12/21/2006 8:36:07 PM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
My stock options (finally 100% vested and have paper value after 4 years) are in limbo due to some option back dating funny business by former company executives. These guys get the big bucks while the worker bees like me are on the outside looking in.

I cannot exercie any of these options... who knows when they'll be freed up for trading.

Hopefully boards of directors will get off their lazy a$$es and exert some fiduciary responsibility. I am tired of hearing the lame excuse that golden retirement packages are necessary to recruit/hire only the "best." I call BS on that.

61 posted on 12/22/2006 9:15:50 PM PST by Trajan88 (www.bullittclub.com)
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To: nwrep
What a bunch of class-envy freepers here!! They should just go back and reread Capitalism

Yes,a company's stock tanks 40% with him in charge, and he gets 6 million plus a year in benefits. I could have run the company better for cheaper. I would have only lost 39% of the stock market value. I am sure of it.

62 posted on 12/23/2006 4:40:55 AM PST by dogbyte12
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To: bpjam
The skill set for a CEO has also gotten much more demanding

Obviously. Not every guy can have the stock tank 40% in pharmaceuticals. That takes special talent. A monkey may have done worse, but may have done better. He might have flung his dung at the right person to motivate them to try a different idea. Give me a freaking break on the skill set thing now.

CEO's from the 1950's were dogmeat or something? There actually is alot more layers of folks doing things CEO's used to do. You have so many accountants, lawyers dealing with legal, financial, tax things now than ever before. A CEO is more free with their time and focus than before.

The stock lost 40%. Period. It tanked. The investors got screwed. That argument is out the window. As long as the investors are ok, pay them whatever. Well, they ain't ok. They took a bath, and now the board is urinating on them. Period.

63 posted on 12/23/2006 5:38:45 AM PST by dogbyte12
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To: A. Pole
One of the reasons why the Free-marketeers hate Costco.

I like Costco a lot, I shop there a lot, much better than Sam's. In fact before I go to work, I have to stop there for some things. B-)
64 posted on 12/23/2006 6:51:32 AM PST by Nowhere Man (Pansy: 1987 - 2006, I miss you, Princess. RIP. Say "Hi" to Greystone for me)
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To: jwalsh07

The kind were three wolves and a sheep vote on what's for dinner. Too bad the majority of the voting shares are sitting in the same boardroom.


65 posted on 12/23/2006 7:13:59 AM PST by Doohickey (I am not unappeasable. YOU are just too easily appeased.)
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To: bpjam
How comfortably can you really live when your survival depends on the ingenuity of these same corporate board members who just paid the ex-CEO $180M keeping the company successful enough to support not only its current tens of thousands of employees but also tens of thousands or employees who no longer work? Wouldn't you be sleeping better if you knew exactly how much money you had in your retirement and exactly where it was?

This particular CEO lead his company into a 40% decline and employee layoffs and yet he got a bonus.

The only way I'm going to know exactly how much money I have and where it is, is to stuff it under my mattress. Certainly you're not giving that advice.

66 posted on 12/23/2006 7:39:45 AM PST by lucysmom
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To: bpjam
But its not a problem for anybody for Pfizer. Its not your problem and its not mine. Whatever they pay this guy has no effect on the rest of us and a very tangential effect even on other CEO pay.

It is most certainly a problem for Pfizer's employees, its customers, and most certainly its shareholders. While in the grand scheme of things, the economic pie is not a fixed one, when one looks at a company's profits in a given year, that specific pie is most certainly a fixed one and only can be distributed in so many ways. A dollar that goes to executive compensation is a dollar that is not spent on dividend payouts, other salaries, R&D, or even by making products more price competitive by leaving it on the table. This is why it is of concern.

The skill set for a CEO has also gotten much more demanding

Really? Is this why failed executives who see the price of their stock collapse 40% are rewarded with such packages?
67 posted on 12/23/2006 10:16:46 AM PST by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.com/)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

"...and a drop of as much as 40 percent in the company's stock price during his five years in charge."

What in the WORLD do CEOs DO to deserve such a nice severence package? How in the world does this man walk away with this money after only 5 years and a drop in company stock of 40%!!! Why can't they just kick his butt to the curb with very little? Why don't they base retirement/bonuses, and benefits upon a CEOs performance?


68 posted on 12/23/2006 10:21:34 AM PST by Muzzle_em (A proud warrior of the Pajamahadeen)
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To: Muzzle_em
Why don't they base retirement/bonuses, and benefits upon a CEOs performance?

Exactly. As an investor, a company tells me that they don't pay dividends on a stock because the money is "more effectively used" by the company to improve itself as a going concern. Then you find that the money is buying a fired CEO a Rolls Royce instead of ending up in my 401k. Yeah, right.

In many instances, these companies are being run like medieval fifedoms where the CEO sits on the throne. If boards don't take control of this situation soon enough, the public outcry against this may result in some radical laws being enacted.
69 posted on 12/23/2006 10:29:58 AM PST by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.com/)
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To: Old_Mil

401k? Most fund managers are more PT Barnum than Peter Lynch.

IMO.


70 posted on 12/23/2006 11:36:04 AM PST by Mr J
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To: bpjam

What exactly IS the skill set for a CEO?
Evidently this guy's skills were not that good as the stock dropped 40% in value under his watch.


71 posted on 12/23/2006 1:57:33 PM PST by Muzzle_em (A proud warrior of the Pajamahadeen)
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To: Trajan88

"I cannot exercie any of these options... who knows when they'll be freed up for trading."

Sure hope you don't get screwed by the Alternative Minimum Tax. If you don't know what that is, I suggest you read up on it. MANY folks in the situation you just described have been really screwed by it.


72 posted on 12/23/2006 2:01:17 PM PST by Muzzle_em (A proud warrior of the Pajamahadeen)
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To: dogbyte12

All a CEO REALLY needs to know how to do is play golf and smooze since ALL deals are made on the golf course.


73 posted on 12/23/2006 2:03:30 PM PST by Muzzle_em (A proud warrior of the Pajamahadeen)
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To: Aquinasfan; bpjam
Historically, the ratio of CEO pay to the lowest wage-earner in a company has gone from 50:1 four decades ago to 821:1 today.

It never ceases to amaze me the number of times FR conservatives choose to cite ultra-left wing think tank, The Economic Policy Institute, which is controlled by unions, to support class warfare assertions like It's a matter of justice or it's a problem here that needs to be addressed.

Let's look at what conservative economist, Alan Reynolds had to say about this nonsense:

A Phony Pay Comparison

Class warriors on the left lie about these statistics to further their political ideology just like the class warriors here at FR. The vast majority of CEO's are extrememly hard working people, with their own money at risk, who make less than 300K a year. For some reason that just drives some green eyed FReepers crazy.

74 posted on 12/23/2006 9:45:45 PM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Mase

Absolutely! Economics is something everybody 'thinks' they understand but most people know more about physics than economics.


75 posted on 12/28/2006 3:44:37 PM PST by bpjam (Never Give Up, Never Surrender (Unless James Baker gives you permission))
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