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Russia's Missile Forces successfully launch SS-18 Satan ICBM
http://www.defencetalk.com/news/publish/missiles/Russias_Missile_Forces_successfully_launch_SS-18_Satan_ICBM16009629.php ^ | Dec 22, 2006

Posted on 12/22/2006 2:49:25 AM PST by kronos77

MOSCOW: Russia's Strategic Missile Forces have conducted a successful test launch of an RS-20V Voyevoda (NATO codename SS-18 Satan) intercontinental ballistic missile, the forces' press office said Thursday.

The launch was made at 11:20 a.m. Moscow time (8:20 a.m. GMT), a spokesman said, adding that the missile, launched from Orenburg in the south Urals, successfully hit hypothetical targets on the Kamchatka Peninsula.

The launch was made to test the RS-20V's flight and technical characteristics to extend the service life of the R-36M2 missile systems to 20 years, the spokesman said.

"Before the launch, the missile had been in operation for 19 years," he said.

He said the RS-20V was a modernized version of the RS-20B.

The RS-20V Voyevoda was developed in Ukraine's design bureau Yuzhnoye. In 1988, the system, equipped with this missile, was adopted by the Missile Forces. The missile has a maximum flight range of 11,000 kilometers (6,840 miles) and a launch weight of 211 metric tons.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: icbm; military; natocodenamesatan; nukes; russia; satan
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Russian name is: RS-20V Voyevoda (Duke)
1 posted on 12/22/2006 2:49:29 AM PST by kronos77
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To: kronos77
successfully hit hypothetical targets on the Kamchatka Peninsula
Yup. That's what we were aiming at. Right there where that baby landed. That was our intended hypothetical target.

I'll remember that next time I go shooting. Why use paper targets when I can get a tighter pattern with hypothetical targets?

(Actually, I don't really need the hypotheticals.)

2 posted on 12/22/2006 3:12:11 AM PST by samtheman (The Democrats are the DhimmiGods of the New Religion of PC)
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To: samtheman

I newer actally got why nukes do have to hit actual target? SS-18 have MIRV, 10 independantly targeting warheads... all you have to do is to point that to desierewd (undesiered) country, or continent and fire...


3 posted on 12/22/2006 3:22:55 AM PST by kronos77 (-www.savekosovo.org- and -www.kosovo.net- Save Kosovo from Islam!)
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To: kronos77

Yuck

I watched The Day After again on Scifi last night. Still scary.


4 posted on 12/22/2006 3:35:45 AM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: kronos77

The warheads on ICBMs are smaller so proximity to the target matters. It's not like buckshot.


5 posted on 12/22/2006 3:38:27 AM PST by Thrownatbirth (.....when the sidewalks are safe for the little guy.)
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To: Thrownatbirth

Would you like to live on the continent that has ben hit with those 10 warheads even no specified targets were hit?

I wouldnt


6 posted on 12/22/2006 3:46:16 AM PST by kronos77 (-www.savekosovo.org- and -www.kosovo.net- Save Kosovo from Islam!)
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To: kronos77
If you miss a hardened ICBM silo by a couple of hundred meters it'll most likely be able to fire its missiles back at you.

But that's why the Russians always built great big missiles. It's because their guidance systems suck.

L

7 posted on 12/22/2006 3:49:58 AM PST by Lurker (History's most dangerous force is government and the crime syndicates that grow with it.)
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To: finnman69

My parents saw that movie when I was a 8 y/o kid, it was in 1985, just before Chernobyl. They were terrified.
Now, living in Serbia (than Yugoslavia) we were not part of any blcok, but were allways scared by authorites that US or USSR may push the button.

For the first time I watched Day After three years ago. And I was scared.

just to explain about what radiation does... Chernobyl is 3,000 km away from Serbia. On may 1st we were on pickink as most of people in Yugoslavia and eastern europe.
I was a kid, and I remember reading an article about "Mir" space station. We were all on the ground, and grass was so nice, soft and green. It started to rain, but not much... so we didnt wanted to go away, and stayed on pickinck.
Several days later they told us that Chernobyl exploded... ten days ago... and to stay away from rain next few weeks.

My father worked in agriculural corporatind, and he said that when workers came back from plantations, their boots (wet from grass) made Geyger-Muller counter squeek..)

And we were 3,000 km away..


8 posted on 12/22/2006 3:55:20 AM PST by kronos77 (-www.savekosovo.org- and -www.kosovo.net- Save Kosovo from Islam!)
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To: kronos77
Would you like to live on the continent that has ben hit with those 10 warheads even no specified targets were hit?

Yes!

Having grown up around Soviet first-strike targets since the 60s, I think my chances would be better.
9 posted on 12/22/2006 3:59:03 AM PST by Thrownatbirth (.....when the sidewalks are safe for the little guy.)
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To: kronos77

Soon to be sold to Venuzuela and North Korea?


10 posted on 12/22/2006 4:05:26 AM PST by Westlander (Unleash the Neutron Bomb)
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To: Westlander

No:9

N.Korea will sonn have their own, and venezuala is too small an insignificant.
Anyway, SS-18 is ICBM, and they are reserved only for countries that made them, they are never sold abroad.


11 posted on 12/22/2006 4:15:34 AM PST by kronos77 (-www.savekosovo.org- and -www.kosovo.net- Save Kosovo from Islam!)
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To: kronos77

If your targets are military, the closer the hit, the more effective the strike. And if your purpose is deterrence, the more credibly you can threaten to wipe out an actual city (instead of some nearby countryside or ocean surface, in the case of coastal cities), then the more accurate your missiles are perceived to be, the more effective their deterrent threat.


12 posted on 12/22/2006 5:04:41 AM PST by samtheman (The Democrats are the DhimmiGods of the New Religion of PC)
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To: kronos77
I newer actally got why nukes do have to hit actual target? SS-18 have MIRV, 10 independantly targeting warheads... all you have to do is to point that to desierewd (undesiered) country, or continent and fire...
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If you're aiming at a city, targeting the missile at, say, a point halfway between the Capitol Building and the White House, or The Saviour Tower on the Kremlin walls, if you miss by a half a mile with a 1 megaton bomb it probably isn't going to make much of a difference in what happens to the city, all things considered.

If you're aiming a a nuclear missile silo, which has been constructed to withstand a nuclear strike, putting the warhead right on the blast doors gives you the best chance of knocking out the missile.

So it depends on whether you are trying to kill missiles or people.
13 posted on 12/22/2006 5:15:19 AM PST by Cheburashka ( World's only Spatula City certified spatula repair and maintenance specialist!!!)
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To: kronos77

They name their missile "Satan?" Egads. Nothing like a little truth in advertising.


14 posted on 12/22/2006 5:23:43 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: Lurker

But that's why the Russians always built great big missiles. It's because their guidance systems suck.==

As far as I red the gudance system on SS-18 good enough to hit the football field from maximum distance. Her wieght is big because she carries lot of the false warhead about 40 (10 is acual) altogether to swart possible anti-missile resistance.

The newest russian missile Topol-M small enough to be carried on the ground truck and so be hided in the widness of russian territory as the submarine in ocean. Still has 11000 km range.


15 posted on 12/22/2006 5:24:54 AM PST by RusIvan ("THINK!" the motto of IBM)
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To: Brilliant

WE named it Satan. They amed it in Russian


16 posted on 12/22/2006 5:25:20 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Brilliant

They name their missile "Satan?" Egads. Nothing like a little truth in advertising.==

"Satn" was named by american. In Soviet Union SS-18 was called "Voevoda" mean the warlord.


17 posted on 12/22/2006 5:27:52 AM PST by RusIvan ("THINK!" the motto of IBM)
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To: kronos77
I grew up near the most targeted place on Earth, SAC command in Omaha. As a kid I loved seeing all the bombers fly by.

On 911, when my father looked out the window and saw the Air Force One landing in Omaha, he called me right away. He thought the next thing he would see in the air was missile contrails.

We always knew if the bombing started, there was no place to hide.
18 posted on 12/22/2006 5:50:20 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Brilliant

Satan is the NATO designation.


19 posted on 12/22/2006 5:51:47 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum

Does everyone need to know Air Force One landed in Omaha?


20 posted on 12/22/2006 6:28:16 AM PST by huldah1776 (Worthy is the Lamb.)
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To: finnman69

"I watched The Day After again on Scifi last night. Still scary."

Missed it last night. Is it scheduled to be aired again ?


21 posted on 12/22/2006 7:05:01 AM PST by ScottfromNJ
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To: huldah1776

It was on the news all over. Wasn't a secret.


22 posted on 12/22/2006 7:28:46 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: kronos77
I newer actally got why nukes do have to hit actual target?

Yea, maybe we should expand the close phrase to:

"Close only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades and large nuclear bombs."
23 posted on 12/22/2006 8:00:52 AM PST by Eagle of Liberty ("I do a lot of things to irritate the libs. And it works!" - Rush Limbaugh)
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To: kronos77


"Could it be - SATAN!!??"
24 posted on 12/22/2006 8:07:28 AM PST by reagan_fanatic (A liberal is a suicide bomber without the guts)
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To: kronos77

Interesting they have named this MIRV the 'satan'. Russia is described as part of the beast in Revelation as the feet of a bear. Revelations end times (rebirth of a new society under Christ) seems to go like this:

1) WWIII starts, 200 million enemy combatants and 1/3 of the world perishing by the sword. These are specifically stated numbers John states.

2) The beast destroys Rome. Revelations say that the beast has a purpose to destroy the 'harlot' that sits on top of her. The halot really must be Rome and the Catholic church, because the harlot commits adultery (on God) by selling to the merchants and kings of the earth linens of purple and scarlet, ivory, cedar, marble statues. Looking at a map of the countries of the beast all being European, Rome would stand in the way of this conquest. Keep in the mind the anti-christ is a kingdom. Think of communism being the religion of the state telling you what to do (satanic) vs. God (free-will). The beast will want to destroy any influence Rome would have on family values, mass murder and worship of the state. I believe strongly the beast is Rome because Revelations says the city destroyed sits on seven hills surrounded by water. Rome is one of only four or five cities in the world with this geography and is the only organization big enough to politically impact the beasts strategy.

3) The two prophets testify for three and one half years and are destroyed. Revelations insuates these are countries rather then people because it says the nations sends gifts to each other when they are destroyed. It goes on to say that the two witnesses miraculously come back to life. I believe this is America and Israel. The whole world (minues a few scant Western nations) would be overjoyed with our initial destruction. The beast (temporary alliance of nations) itself goes off into destruction (the USA has some hand in this I am sure).

3)A comet hits the earth. There are seven angels sounding trumpets. Three of these describe a comet impact of being first debris preceeding the comet hitting earth, causing some destruction and ionizing the atmoshphere red, like the color of blood. Then the comet itself hits in the ocean wrecking 1/3 of the boats on earth and killing 1/3 of the sea life. Then the final debris hits the earth from the comets tail with truck sized meteors hitting the earth. This either happens just before the beast is destroyed or just after.




25 posted on 12/22/2006 8:50:01 AM PST by quantfive
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To: quantfive

Interesting!

But we in Serbia, Ortodox Christians are thought that last beast is Western world, and that specificaly will be Vatican.

Second interesting thing is that in Serbian translation of Bible there is no mentioning of "dragon" but -"beast" (Azhdaya) due to the fact that Dragons are positive beings for Serbs as somweath symbols of male principles, and female dragon, "Azhdaya" is beast.

And for us St. George is not killing dragon, but "Azhdaya", or beast


26 posted on 12/22/2006 9:13:46 AM PST by kronos77 (-www.savekosovo.org- and -www.kosovo.net- Save Kosovo from Islam!)
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To: redgolum

Why would NATOI give away their own name? http://sacredscoop.com


27 posted on 12/22/2006 9:16:37 AM PST by CottShop
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To: kronos77

Why can't we give interesting names to our weapons?


28 posted on 12/22/2006 9:18:50 AM PST by RightWhale (RTRA DLQS GSCW)
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To: RightWhale
R-21 / SS-N-5 SERB:
We, Serbs "got" our nuke:)

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/russia/slbm/r-21.htm

29 posted on 12/22/2006 9:35:58 AM PST by kronos77 (-www.savekosovo.org- and -www.kosovo.net- Save Kosovo from Islam!)
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To: RightWhale

Also SS-N-6 "Serb"

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/russia/r-27.htm


30 posted on 12/22/2006 9:38:57 AM PST by kronos77 (-www.savekosovo.org- and -www.kosovo.net- Save Kosovo from Islam!)
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To: RusIvan
It's because their guidance systems suck.==

Ain't GPS wunnerful!?

31 posted on 12/22/2006 9:57:54 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: kronos77
"Before the launch, the missile had been in operation for 19 years," he said.

And just how long have our B-52's been 'in operation'?

32 posted on 12/22/2006 9:59:45 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: quantfive

The harlot is secular modernism.


33 posted on 12/22/2006 5:24:09 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: kronos77
I newer actally got why nukes do have to hit actual target?

Actually those SS-18 Mod 4's don't have to get that close considering they had ONE 25 Megaton warhead on them. Of course there were 8 of them aimed at Cheyenne Mountain.

34 posted on 12/22/2006 6:35:39 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Gov't: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. If it stops moving, subsidize it)
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To: kronos77
My father worked in agriculural corporatind, and he said that when workers came back from plantations, their boots (wet from grass) made Geyger-Muller counter squeek..)

And we were 3,000 km away..

Chernobyl was a CATASTROPHIC first generation reactor failure of the worst possible kind. Nuclear weapons are quite clean by comparison.

35 posted on 12/22/2006 6:37:55 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Gov't: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. If it stops moving, subsidize it)
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To: quantfive
Interesting they have named this MIRV the 'satan'.

That was a NATO codename actually.
Surface to Surface Missile Names

SS-1 "Scunner" (R-1) and "Scud" (R-11/R-300)
SS-2 "Sibling" (R-2)
SS-3 "Shyster" (R-5/R-5M)
SS-4 "Sandal" (R-12)
SS-5 "Skean" (R-14)
SS-6 "Sapwood" (R-7)
SS-7 "Saddler" (R-16)
SS-8 "Sasin" (R-9/R-9A)
SS-9 "Scarp" (R-36)
SS-10 "Scrag" (GR-1)
SS-11 "Sego" (UR-100)
SS-12 "Scaleboard" (9M76)
SS-13 "Savage" (RT-2)
SS-14 "Scapegoat" and "Scamp" (RT-15)
SS-15 "Scrooge" (RT-20)
SS-16 "Sinner" (15Zh42)
SS-17 "Spanker" (MR-UR-100)
SS-18 "Satan" (R-36M)
SS-19 "Stiletto" (UR-100N)
SS-20 "Saber" (RT-21M/15Zh45)
SS-21 "Scarab" (9M79)
SS-22 "Scaleboard" (9M76)
SS-23 "Spider" (9M714)
SS-24 "Scalpel" (RT-23)
SS-25 "Sickle" (RT-2PM)
SS-X-26 "Stone"
SS-27 none (RT-2PM2)
SS-X-28 "Saber" (15Zh53)

Here's more information than you ever wanted to know about NATO codenames for equipment.

NATO CODENAMES

Warsaw Pact Missiles
Air-to-air missiles (names start with the letter A)
Air-to-surface missiles (names start with the letter K)
Anti-tank missiles (names start with the letter S)
Surface-to-air missiles (including ship- and submarine-launched, G)
Surface-to-surface missiles (including ship- and submarine-launched, SS)

Warsaw Pact Aircraft
Bombers (names start with the letter B)
Fighters (names start with the letter F)
Helicopters (names start with the letter H)
Transports (names start with the letter C)
Miscellaneous (names start with the letter M)

36 posted on 12/22/2006 6:44:09 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Gov't: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. If it stops moving, subsidize it)
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To: Kerretarded
"Close only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades and large nuclear bombs."

Heh. We used to say this back about 45 years ago. Except we left out the part about hand grenades.("Close only counts in horseshoes and A-bombs.")

37 posted on 12/22/2006 6:44:46 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: reagan_fanatic

LoL!


38 posted on 12/23/2006 11:00:32 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: kronos77
Against a city it doesn't matter. Against a missile silo it matters. You need a hit within a few hundred meters to take out a hardened silo.
39 posted on 12/23/2006 11:23:03 PM PST by JasonC
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To: kronos77
The SS-18 Satan ICBM is a fitting term for Putin's expanding arsenal in his neo-Soviet total war machine directed against the West.
40 posted on 12/26/2006 1:48:59 AM PST by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: M. Espinola

Im not convinced anymore that there is "west" anymore.
EU will become Russian backyard, US will be involved in Iraq, Afghanistan etc...
NATO betrayed USA in Iraq, EU doesent give a damn about USA, soon by influencin Romania and Bulgaria and who knows... Germany? Russia will have its own wotes in NATO.

Situation is pretty much different than 10 years ago. better or worst, I cant tell, butr different it is.


41 posted on 12/26/2006 3:04:27 AM PST by kronos77 (-www.savekosovo.org- and -www.kosovo.net- Save Kosovo from Islam!)
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To: kronos77

"Interesting!

But we in Serbia, Ortodox Christians are thought that last beast is Western world, and that specificaly will be Vatican.

Second interesting thing is that in Serbian translation of Bible there is no mentioning of "dragon" but -"beast" (Azhdaya) due to the fact that Dragons are positive beings for Serbs as somweath symbols of male principles, and female dragon, "Azhdaya" is beast.

And for us St. George is not killing dragon, but "Azhdaya", or beast"

Interesting teachings by the Orthodox church. I was taught something else by the Catholics, Jehovah Witnesses and the Pentacostals surrounding the beast. What I did was read the bible cover to cover for myself.

It's like a good movie where God creates man, man falls then has to work harder and die younger and younger further from Adam we get (perfection). Women have increases birth pangs and are dominated by their husbands.

Then you have God's blessing on a nation (Israel) to be His spokesperson. Israel rejects God and they suffer the consequences. Christ is prophecied and comes, rejected by Israel again and again Israel is destroyed. Finally, in the end times you have a massive world war and judgement of the earth, leading to a re-birth of civilization under Christ.

God promises in Revelations death will be no more, that mankind will receive more intelligence and learning in the end-times. This is happening as we speak. Man is living longer and in two centuries will not die because of modern medicine, the West treats women as equals instead of being dominated etc. We've have begun our journey back to perfection with WWIII as the last big event before this occurs.


42 posted on 12/27/2006 11:09:43 AM PST by quantfive
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To: Centurion2000

Wow, thanks man, nice equipment list and code names!


43 posted on 12/27/2006 11:11:04 AM PST by quantfive
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To: M. Espinola
The SS-18 Satan ICBM is a fitting term for Putin's expanding arsenal in his neo-Soviet total war machine directed against the West.

With all due respect, NATO named it Satan back in the 70's. Read the thread and stop jumping to conclusions.

44 posted on 12/27/2006 11:54:49 AM PST by Centurion2000 (Not one of those seasonal Festivians. I practice the Airing of Grievances daily. Often on this site.)
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To: quantfive
Interesting again!
(My father is Catholic, so I dont hold definitive stance between two teachings)

Also there are more Orthodox Church teachings. In addition that wast is "bad" it is also a denial of idea of new ID documents which hold bar-code. It is commonly compared to "Bar" as what you call "Bear" and a symbol of Satan, Ortodox teaching is same but it emphases on "Baar" is a Germanic word for bear, also BAR-code (pronounces on Slavic thoungs as "Baar-Code". In Greece they, as vastly Orthodox country rejected new IDs with Bar-code, and similar anti-Bar-code movement is rising in Serbia. Orthodox Church teaches against those documents as it is in Bible "Who doesn't receive a mark of the beast will have no right at all" so Bar-code is compared to the "mark of the beast". Also in Book Of Revelations is a picture of a women chased by red beast from the east, we hol dthat that beast is Islam. Woman is descrived that have a helo of 12 stars on her head and a half-moon under her legs. ortodox teaching (unofficial) is that that woman is Serbia, on north is EU (hungary) with EU symbol of 12 stars and half-moon are Albanian Muslims, and that child that beast wants to kill(eat) is Kosovo, that islam wants to totaly islamise.
45 posted on 12/27/2006 1:57:32 PM PST by kronos77 (-www.savekosovo.org- and -www.kosovo.net- Save Kosovo from Islam!)
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To: Centurion2000
"With all due respect, NATO named it Satan back in the 70's. Read the thread and stop jumping to conclusions."

I am aware Nato issues the names/terms for Soviet/Russian missiles, however the name still fits the one in charge of the Kremlin.

46 posted on 12/27/2006 4:23:38 PM PST by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: kronos77

"Interesting again!
(My father is Catholic, so I dont hold definitive stance between two teachings)

Also there are more Orthodox Church teachings. In addition that wast is "bad" it is also a denial of idea of new ID documents which hold bar-code. It is commonly compared to "Bar" as what you call "Bear" and a symbol of Satan, Ortodox teaching is same but it emphases on "Baar" is a Germanic word for bear, also BAR-code (pronounces on Slavic thoungs as "Baar-Code". In Greece they, as vastly Orthodox country rejected new IDs with Bar-code, and similar anti-Bar-code movement is rising in Serbia. Orthodox Church teaches against those documents as it is in Bible "Who doesn't receive a mark of the beast will have no right at all" so Bar-code is compared to the "mark of the beast". Also in Book Of Revelations is a picture of a women chased by red beast from the east, we hol dthat that beast is Islam. Woman is descrived that have a helo of 12 stars on her head and a half-moon under her legs. ortodox teaching (unofficial) is that that woman is Serbia, on north is EU (hungary) with EU symbol of 12 stars and half-moon are Albanian Muslims, and that child that beast wants to kill(eat) is Kosovo, that islam wants to totaly islamise."

Probably something to Baar and Bear. Based on the animals representing the beast, these still seem to be European countries and Russia. Remember something my brother, despite what the exact true meaning of scripture: Freedom of choice is a God given right. Any country or group that takes that away is satanic or anti-christ whether it is the islamic hoardes or communism. Those that try and take freedom away and tell you what to do and how to live is worth fighting against. 'Live Free or Die' is the slogan of our state here in America, New Hampshire.


47 posted on 12/28/2006 3:15:52 PM PST by quantfive
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To: quantfive

Probably something to Baar and Bear. Based on the animals representing the beast, these still seem to be European countries and Russia. Remember something my brother, despite what the exact true meaning of scripture: Freedom of choice is a God given right. Any country or group that takes that away is satanic or anti-christ whether it is the islamic hoardes or communism. Those that try and take freedom away and tell you what to do and how to live is worth fighting against. 'Live Free or Die' is the slogan of our state here in America, New Hampshire.

True!
But "freedom Of Choice" in Europe... dosent exist.
Per example, in Serbia, if you declare that you are against entering EU, you are by default declared by EU supporters and fans ro be:"fascist, Nationalist Shouvinist, backward, member of dark forces, etc..."
If you say that you would like to boost Church (any Christian Church) role in the country, you are attacked by paro-EU clones to be:"fascist, Nationalist Shouvinist, backward, member of dark forces, etc..."
Worst sin is if you say that you would like to see Serbia as Christian, neutral and non-EU country.
So I and much of my compatriots, belive that EU if not Bibical, still is a danegrous kind of evil, and EU-clones in Serbia are mostly concidered to be Devills little helpers...
And than there is George Soros and his clones...
If you disslike Soros you are Fascist...

Figure it out for yourself...


48 posted on 12/29/2006 2:21:01 AM PST by kronos77 (-www.savekosovo.org- and -www.kosovo.net- Save Kosovo from Islam!)
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To: quantfive

And motto of Serbian nationalists/patriots is "Sloboda ili smrt"- Liberty or death.
Actually we have only one word for freedom and liberty- Sloboda


49 posted on 12/29/2006 2:23:58 AM PST by kronos77 (-www.savekosovo.org- and -www.kosovo.net- Save Kosovo from Islam!)
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To: kronos77

"True!
But "freedom Of Choice" in Europe... dosent exist.
Per example, in Serbia, if you declare that you are against entering EU, you are by default declared by EU supporters and fans ro be:"fascist, Nationalist Shouvinist, backward, member of dark forces, etc..."
If you say that you would like to boost Church (any Christian Church) role in the country, you are attacked by paro-EU clones to be:"fascist, Nationalist Shouvinist, backward, member of dark forces, etc..."
Worst sin is if you say that you would like to see Serbia as Christian, neutral and non-EU country.
So I and much of my compatriots, belive that EU if not Bibical, still is a danegrous kind of evil, and EU-clones in Serbia are mostly concidered to be Devills little helpers...
And than there is George Soros and his clones...
If you disslike Soros you are Fascist...

Figure it out for yourself..."

Socialism is not freedom. Our country has begun leaning in this direction of late and 1/2 of us here are very upset.


50 posted on 01/02/2007 9:36:48 AM PST by quantfive
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