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Mayor to push for ban on military weapons
South Coast Today (MA) ^ | 12/21/06 | ROB MARGETTA

Posted on 12/22/2006 8:46:39 AM PST by kiriath_jearim

NEW BEDFORD — Mayor Scott W. Lang is asking the city's legislative delegation to push for a statewide ban on the sale of military-style weapons — including the AR-15 semiautomatic rifle used by a gunman last week to kill two employees and himself at the Foxy Lady SouthCoast.

"I'd like our local delegation to sponsor a bill that takes that type of weapon out of civilian hands ... any type of military weapon," he said. "This is not an appropriate weapon for a civilian to have.

"It's a killing tool. ... It's a weapon that's used to destroy an opposition army. We don't need a battlefield in the middle of our city."

The announcement came as the Foxy Lady opened its doors last night with free food and admissions passes. Mayor Lang said he is still in the process of talking to local legislators, but he expects "an enthusiastic response" to his proposed ban.

He also noted he has strong ties with federal legislators from the area and may discuss the idea of a ban with them.

Both the mayor and Police Chief Ronald E. Teachman have noted that officers were outgunned at the Foxy Lady standoff, with only their sidearms and a single-service rifle.

The AR-15 "has firepower that police do not have available to them, except in extraordinary circumstances," Mayor Lang said.

The AR-15 is the commercial version of the military M-16, and is legal for licensed gun owners to buy.

Although it lacks some of the M-16's capabilities, plans to modify the AR-15 so it matches its military cousin can be found on the Internet.

Although California has banned the AR-15, it is still legal to own and carry in other states.

Scott C. Medeiros, 35, the Foxy Lady gunman, had a Class A license that allowed him to purchase and carry an AR-15, according to police in Freetown, where Mr. Medeiros lived and maintained his firearms permit. The AR-15 was also used by John Allen Muhammad and Lee Boyd Malvo, the 2002 Beltway snipers.

Marc Folco, award-winning outdoors columnist and author of The Standard-Times' Open Season column, voiced early opposition to Mayor Lang's proposal. He and other gun ownership advocates are meeting with the mayor today, he said.

"The gun itself isn't evil," Mr. Folco said. "It's an inanimate object."

He said the key is keeping guns out of the wrong hands, but conceded that, in the case of Mr. Medeiros, "They did seem like the right hands. There was nothing to tell police otherwise. I think he just snapped."

But he added his belief that the gunman would have been able to do as much damage even without the semiautomatic rifle.

"If (Mr. Medeiros) didn't get an AR-15, he could have used anything to cause that mayhem. He could have made a bomb."

Mr. Folco said he does not own any military-style weapons himself.

"I don't like them," he said. "I would never buy them. But I do believe that people have a right to buy them for target shooting or collecting purposes."

Mayor Lang said he is a supporter of the Second Amendment, but added, "Let's apply some common sense to the Second Amendment and modern technology. Why not a bazooka? Why not a tank? It doesn't make sense."

This isn't the first time a New Bedford mayor has tried to have gun legislation passed. In 2004, Mayor Lang's predecessor, Frederick M. Kalisz Jr., pushed unsuccessfully for a home-rule petition that would have stiffened the penalties for carrying banned weapons within New Bedford and raised the mandatory minimum sentence for illegally carrying a firearm from one year in a county facility to 21/2 years in state prison.

Mr. Medeiros' rampage at the Foxy Lady began at about 2 a.m. Dec. 12 when he entered the strip club with the rifle and fatally shot two employees over a romantic rivalry.

The first police officers to respond to the scene didn't even get a chance to get out of their cruiser before Mr. Medeiros peppered the car with at least 24 bullets. Both of the officers were hospitalized with gunshot wounds.

According to Chief Teachman, the bullets cut through the cruiser door panels "like a hot knife through butter."

Both the chief and Mayor Lang said officers involved in the Foxy Lady standoff were outgunned.

Mr. Medeiros' rifle had a range of "1,000 feet and is deadly accurate," far greater than police-issue handguns, Mayor Lang said. The gunman hit police vehicles that were hundreds of yards away, according to police.

Chief Teachman said police are not typically trained to deal with a weapon such as the AR-15.

"Is society still willing to accept that this level of firearm is readily available?" the chief asked. "This is a legal gun, owned by a legal person, who up until (the Foxy Lady shooting) had done nothing wrong, but because he had this level of firepower at his fingertips, he was able to create a very dangerous situation."

Mayor Lang said he would like to see Massachusetts follow California's example and ban the AR-15. "If it's legal, it's a loophole that's got to be closed," he said.


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1 posted on 12/22/2006 8:46:41 AM PST by kiriath_jearim
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To: kiriath_jearim

Enemy.


2 posted on 12/22/2006 8:48:13 AM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: Sir Gawain

This guy is exactly why I'd buy a military weapon, so that the govt. won't be the only ones with 'em when things go south.


3 posted on 12/22/2006 8:49:32 AM PST by TheKidster (you can only trust government to grow, consolidate power and infringe upon your liberties.)
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To: kiriath_jearim
Mayor Lang said he would like to see Massachusetts follow California's example and ban the AR-15. "If it's legal, it's a loophole that's got to be closed," he said.

Brilliant legal analysis.

4 posted on 12/22/2006 8:49:47 AM PST by Dog Gone
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It's a killing tool. ... It's a weapon that's used to destroy an opposition army. We don't need a battlefield in the middle of our city."

What a dangerous putz. Look at the Second Amendment you swine behind

5 posted on 12/22/2006 8:49:54 AM PST by Last Laugh
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To: kiriath_jearim
Mr. Medeiros' rifle had a range of "1,000 feet and is deadly accurate," far greater than police-issue handguns, Mayor Lang said.

Well no crap. Handgun vs ANY rifle at 1000 feet and the rifle is gonna be more accurate.

6 posted on 12/22/2006 8:51:49 AM PST by Domandred
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To: kiriath_jearim
The AR-15 was also used by John Allen Muhammad and Lee Boyd Malvo, the 2002 Beltway snipers.

Well, slight error here. Why is it that Liberals feel they have a right to their own set of facts? /rhet.

7 posted on 12/22/2006 8:53:26 AM PST by HiJinx (Ask me about Support for our Troops)
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To: kiriath_jearim
Virtually every civilian firearm in existence is the decendant of a military weapon.
Moron!
8 posted on 12/22/2006 8:53:39 AM PST by Malone LaVeigh
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To: kiriath_jearim
Mayor Lang said he is a supporter of the Second Amendment,...

...here comes the "but"...

...but added, "Let's apply some common sense to the Second Amendment and modern technology.

In other words, "Let's 'interpret' it as we wish.

Why not a bazooka? Why not a tank?

Indeed, why not.

It doesn't make sense."

It makes perfect sense to anyone who does not believe that government "elites" should rule us "unenlightened common folk".

9 posted on 12/22/2006 8:55:36 AM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: kiriath_jearim

They are statists, every one of them.
Even our president signed off on CFR and agreed to sign the assault weapons ban.

Everyone says that Americans are different than Europeans, that we'll get angry and stand up to Islamic terror. I hope we hurry up and do it, because we are surely heading down the road to sheepdom.


10 posted on 12/22/2006 8:55:48 AM PST by Sam Cree (don't mix alcopops and ufo's - absolute reality)
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To: Domandred

Considering that my deer rifle, a Remington 700 bolt action, is harder hitting and arguably more accurate than an out of the box AR, I guess the mayor wants not just military, but any accurate weapon banned. Anything that outguns a pistol. And no lefty wants handguns left legal.


11 posted on 12/22/2006 8:58:46 AM PST by Sam Cree (don't mix alcopops and ufo's - absolute reality)
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To: kiriath_jearim

"Let's apply some common sense to the Second Amendment and modern technology. Why not a bazooka? Why not a tank? It doesn't make sense."


Absolutely right, Mr. Mayor, why not?

What he want's to legislate is the "possiblity of misuse".

Eventually people like him would apply this to printing presses and computers too.


12 posted on 12/22/2006 8:59:31 AM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: HiJinx

Didn't they use a bolt-action?


13 posted on 12/22/2006 8:59:32 AM PST by wastedyears ("By failing to prepare, you are preparing to fail." - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: kiriath_jearim

--here we go again---


14 posted on 12/22/2006 9:00:35 AM PST by rellimpank (-don't believe anything the MSM states about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: Sam Cree

Would they allowed left-handed firearms as they're rare weapons?


15 posted on 12/22/2006 9:00:59 AM PST by wastedyears ("By failing to prepare, you are preparing to fail." - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: kiriath_jearim

The cops were outgunned. WHY? No TAC teams?...don't have the proper equipment?...no training? WHY? No money for training and equipment...in Taxachussets the lib paradise..something smells about this utterance. A PR move for sure.


16 posted on 12/22/2006 9:02:13 AM PST by sidegunner
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To: wastedyears

I don't know that I've ever seen a left handed firearm?


17 posted on 12/22/2006 9:04:33 AM PST by Sam Cree (don't mix alcopops and ufo's - absolute reality)
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To: kiriath_jearim

if the gun killed 2 employees and himself, how can he give a statement?


18 posted on 12/22/2006 9:06:22 AM PST by joe fonebone (Israel, taking out the world's trash since 1948.)
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To: kiriath_jearim
AR-15 ? .... whew, for a min there I thought they were going to ban my mini-14 or maybe even my AR-10.

[/sarc]

What idiots.
19 posted on 12/22/2006 9:06:34 AM PST by taxcontrol
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To: TheKidster

Time's a wastin'.

Don't forget to BLOAT.


20 posted on 12/22/2006 9:08:01 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: kiriath_jearim

I'd like to see Massachusetts outlawed, towed out to sea, and sunk! Take New York with it!


21 posted on 12/22/2006 9:10:34 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER ( LET ME DIE ON MY FEET IN MY SWAMP)
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To: HiJinx; wastedyears

They were using a Bushmaster AR clone. So what's the slight error?


22 posted on 12/22/2006 9:10:53 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: Sir Gawain

"I'd like our local delegation to sponsor a bill that takes that type of weapon out of civilian hands ... any type of military weapon," he said."

Gee, Mr. Lang would that include the military weapons of the past, including the Model 1863 Springfield Rifle, or the Model 1903 Rifle, both of which were made in *your* state??

As for me - I'm keeping the President's (Heston) words in mind.


23 posted on 12/22/2006 9:12:41 AM PST by Stoigo
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To: kiriath_jearim
"Is society still willing to accept that this level of firearm is readily available?" the chief asked.

Yup. We decided that a year or so ago when the "assault weapons" ban was not renewed. Next question?

The AR-15 "has firepower that police do not have available to them, except in extraordinary circumstances," Mayor Lang said.

What, you mean extraordinary circumstances like opening up the trunk of the patrol car and taking one out? If your police force is "undergunned", that's your fault, Mayor. What do you tell their widows, that you denied them the ability to protect themselves because they couldn't be trusted with a small, civilian semi-automatic rifle?

Chief Teachman said police are not typically trained to deal with a weapon such as the AR-15.

Really Chief? Are you admitting to negligence in training your officers? Are you saying that your police officers are about as prepared to deal with a serious situation as Barney Fife, and you are as much at fault here as the Mayor?

"Let's apply some common sense to the Second Amendment and modern technology. Why not a bazooka? Why not a tank? It doesn't make sense."

Well, a bazooka is already banned as an "implement of destruction". You can buy a used tank if you have the money, but most people don't. At any rate, the gunnery on the tank would have to be disabled (de-milled) before you could use it. Unless you went through the proper channels and got ATF permission. As far as I know, that's never happened, making it a straw argument.

The AR-15 shoots the same kind of ammunition that small-game hunters use for woodchucks. It is NOT a high-powered rifle. If the mayor and the chief don't know the difference, stop by and see me some weekend when I'm not busy, I'll show you.

24 posted on 12/22/2006 9:14:06 AM PST by Kenton (All vices in moderation. I don't want to overdo any but I don't want to skip any either.)
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To: kiriath_jearim
"We don't need a battlefield in the middle of our city."

We do if those in elected positions are violating the Constitution.

25 posted on 12/22/2006 9:15:35 AM PST by D.P.Roberts
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To: kiriath_jearim
Technically speaking, every rifle, shotgun, and pistol is a military weapon. Therefore, this would be the Mayor's first step in controlling all weapons, hunting or otherwise. Will he also take the guns away from law enforcement as well? Criminals will have a field day in his town. Now that is a direct violation of the Second Amendment if I ever saw one.
26 posted on 12/22/2006 9:16:56 AM PST by Doc91678 (Doc91678)
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To: kiriath_jearim
"I'd like our local delegation to sponsor a bill that takes that type of weapon out of civilian hands ... any type of military weapon,"

Interesting. IIRC, Miller held that it was "militia style" weapons that were protected by the Second Amendment. Be fun to see the Liberals go to court to get Miller overturned after all these years of their citing it.

27 posted on 12/22/2006 9:26:31 AM PST by Grut
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To: kiriath_jearim
"I don't like them," he said. "I would never buy them. But I do believe that people have a right to buy them for target shooting or collecting purposes."

The second amendment isn't about collecting, and only about target shooting in so far as it helps keep the militia "well-regulated".

Under the Supreme Court's "Miller" decision, if anything is protected by the second amendment, it's the keeping and bearing, by the people, of military type arms.

28 posted on 12/22/2006 9:27:38 AM PST by El Gato
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To: FreedomPoster

BLOAT ??

What's that stand for?


29 posted on 12/22/2006 9:28:32 AM PST by TheKidster (you can only trust government to grow, consolidate power and infringe upon your liberties.)
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To: Last Laugh
We don't need a battlefield in the middle of our city

That's what they said at Gettysburg, but guess what.

30 posted on 12/22/2006 9:28:32 AM PST by RightWhale (RTRA DLQS GSCW)
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To: Sam Cree

"My deer rifle, a Remington 700 bolt action"

Or my Parker Hale 1200 in 30-06, which Rebecca Peters of the U.N. Civilian Disarmament Campaign has reclassified as a "medium range sniper weapon" because it is in a military caliber, bolt action, equipped with a scope, is glass bedded for accuracy, and should therefore be banned from civilian ownership.

Note: I bought the rifle _after_ hearing of Ms. Peters' agenda.


31 posted on 12/22/2006 9:29:39 AM PST by elcid1970
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To: FreedomPoster
They were using a Bushmaster AR clone.

Really? My mistake, then. I didn't make the connection between 'Bushmaster' and 'AR-15' when this was reported back then.

32 posted on 12/22/2006 9:30:38 AM PST by HiJinx (Ask me about Support for our Troops)
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To: Sam Cree
I don't know that I've ever seen a left handed firearm?

They exist. A the directorate deputy is a lefty, and has several of them. Bolt action, with the bolt on the left side, pump and semi-auto shotguns with the ejection port on the side, even AR-15 types with the ejection port on the left (those are more rare than the bolt actions).

My shotgun is ambidextrous, it ejects down and the safety is in the middle of the tang, suitable for left or right thumb.

33 posted on 12/22/2006 9:32:05 AM PST by El Gato
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To: D.P.Roberts

Hmm.... interesting.


34 posted on 12/22/2006 9:32:50 AM PST by TheKidster (you can only trust government to grow, consolidate power and infringe upon your liberties.)
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To: elcid1970

My deer rifle is in 270, but I think the 30-06 probably has to be the most used civilian round out there. OTOH, the military doesn't use it much anymore that I know of. I think they like the 223 and the 308. 'Course those are also widely used by civilians.


35 posted on 12/22/2006 9:34:11 AM PST by Sam Cree (don't mix alcopops and ufo's - absolute reality)
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To: kiriath_jearim
Mr. Medeiros' rifle had a range of "1,000 feet and is deadly accurate," far greater than police-issue handguns, Mayor Lang said. The gunman hit police vehicles that were hundreds of yards away, according to police.

The same could be said of any common deer rifle. Gonna ban them too? Call 'em sniper rifles. Such an action could have "Unintended Consequences", but give it a try anyway.

36 posted on 12/22/2006 9:34:24 AM PST by El Gato
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To: TheKidster

Buy
Lots
Of
Ammo
Today!


37 posted on 12/22/2006 9:34:45 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: kiriath_jearim

"The AR-15 "has firepower that police do not have available to them, except in extraordinary circumstances," Mayor Lang said."

This statement is an absolute lie. Every LEO in the country are armed with surplus military, usually the latest or better than the military.


38 posted on 12/22/2006 9:35:22 AM PST by caver (Yes, I did crawl out of a hole in the ground.)
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To: HiJinx

Muhammed had military training (Army), and presumably went for a weapon he was familiar with.


39 posted on 12/22/2006 9:37:24 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: kiriath_jearim
They can have my bazooka when they pry it from my cold, dead tentacles.

Hizzoner is an idiot. And idiots make laws.

40 posted on 12/22/2006 9:37:56 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: caver

SWAT teams are currently restricted to paint balls?


41 posted on 12/22/2006 9:39:16 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP
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To: Kenton
Unless you went through the proper channels and got ATF permission. As far as I know, that's never happened, making it a straw argument

I'm pretty sure it has. Certainly civilians own anti tank cannon, .50 BMG M2 machine guns, and .30 caliber machine guns as well. Don't know for certain about an all up tank, but it would shock me to find that no one owned one.

All of the above can be seen, owned by civilians, which can be seen on a episode of "Mail Call" which I happened upon on "youtube" last night. (Can't find the link as it's blocked from here, but just search on "guns" on youtube).

42 posted on 12/22/2006 9:40:37 AM PST by El Gato
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

"SWAT teams are currently restricted to paint balls?"

They'd like us to believe that. As for the mostly uniformed public, they would believe the statements that the liberal mayor made.


43 posted on 12/22/2006 9:41:39 AM PST by caver (Yes, I did crawl out of a hole in the ground.)
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To: El Gato
Don't know for certain about an all up tank, but it would shock me to find that no one owned one.

Oh, there are privately owned tanks, and at least one I've heard of that is licensed for on-road. But I think the weapons systems have been de-milled.

44 posted on 12/22/2006 9:43:16 AM PST by Kenton (All vices in moderation. I don't want to overdo any but I don't want to skip any either.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

45 posted on 12/22/2006 9:50:18 AM PST by pabianice
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To: kiriath_jearim
Mayor Lang said he is a supporter of the Second Amendment, but added, "Let's apply some common sense to the Second Amendment and modern technology. Why not a bazooka? Why not a tank? It doesn't make sense."

Why not a tank etc. If memory serves, much of the field artillery and naval guns were privately owned at the time of the Revolutionary war.

46 posted on 12/22/2006 9:50:57 AM PST by Lion Den Dan
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To: kiriath_jearim
Someone should take the mayor aside and tell him that the gun did not kill the people, the killer did.

This would no doubt come as a profound shock to Hizoner.
And these are the people in charge of public safety. Another goof-ball heard from.

BTW, there is no such thing as a "military-style" weapon.

The term is used to confuse and mislead. The gun is not a "machine gun." It is a semi-auto loading rifle and it requires a human to pull the trigger.
47 posted on 12/22/2006 9:53:21 AM PST by R.W.Ratikal (q)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Excessive hyperbole alert!


48 posted on 12/22/2006 9:54:40 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (When someone burns a cross on your lawn the best firehose is an AK-47.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

"The AR-15 "has firepower that police do not have available to them, except in extraordinary circumstances,"

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Where do they find morons like this?


49 posted on 12/22/2006 9:56:40 AM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: Sam Cree

I've seen one left handed bolt action .270. Course it wasn't out of box, it was made from wood and metal up by a gunsmith friend of mine.

Other then that I've only seen ambi-dex pistols.


50 posted on 12/22/2006 10:02:05 AM PST by Domandred
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