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DNA Witness Jolted Dynamic of Duke Case
new york times ^ | 12/24/06 | DAVID BARSTOW and DUFF WILSON

Posted on 12/23/2006 8:31:46 PM PST by mathprof

The moment that may have changed the course of the Duke lacrosse rape case came in a packed courtroom two Fridays ago.

On the stand at a pretrial hearing was Brian W. Meehan, director of a private laboratory that performed extensive DNA testing on rape kit swabs and underwear collected from a stripper only hours after she said that she had been gang-raped by three Duke lacrosse players after performing at a team party in March. Mr. Meehan’s tests on the swabs and underwear had detected traces of sperm and other DNA material from several men.

But his tests had found something else, too: none of that DNA material was from the three players, or any of their teammates.

Mr. Meehan had promptly shared this information with Michael B. Nifong, the Durham district attorney. Yet his summary report — the one that would be turned over to the defense — mentioned none of this.

It was an awkward omission that Mr. Meehan struggled to explain under withering cross-examination from defense lawyers. At one point, he was forced to admit that the incomplete report violated his laboratory’s own protocols.

Finally, a defense lawyer asked Mr. Meehan if the decision not to report complete test results was “an intentional limitation” arrived at between him and Mr. Nifong.

“Yes,” Mr. Meehan replied.

The courtroom, packed to standing room capacity with supporters of the players — who have always said they were innocent — erupted with applause.

On Friday, a week after Mr. Meehan’s testimony, Mr. Nifong dropped the rape charges but said he would proceed with kidnapping and sexual offense counts. Whether Mr. Nifong’s decision was directly related to the DNA revelations is a matter of dispute, but both sides agree that the testimony revealed much about the current state of this prosecution.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: duke; dukelax
Now that the nyt has turned on Nifong, he's toast. The PC people will now turn on him too because of the nyt.
1 posted on 12/23/2006 8:31:48 PM PST by mathprof
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To: mathprof

More that comes out the more that Nifong needs to be disbarred. Nifong is the one that needs to be on trial. This is left wing justice at its finest for all to see.


2 posted on 12/23/2006 8:37:14 PM PST by Parley Baer
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To: mathprof

It does seems as if the Times has turned against Nifong. They paint a pretty grim picture.

I think it will be necessary for the defense to actively go after Nifong. Obviously he has dropped the rape charge because it would be laughed out of court, but kept the other two charges because he is still seeking a conviction to build his reputation.

According to the article, "Joseph B. Cheshire of Raleigh, a lawyer for one of the players, said he intended to take 'specific legal steps' to seek sanctions or Mr. Nifong’s removal from the case." I think that will prove to be a necessary defense strategy, or Nifong still might manage to use false testimony to convict the defendents on the other charges. The jury might easily be biased against these white college kids.


3 posted on 12/23/2006 8:48:32 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: mathprof

Proved conclusively that the Duke Lacrosse team were the only males withing 100 mile radius who hadn't had sex with the stripper.


4 posted on 12/23/2006 8:56:12 PM PST by stop_fascism
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To: mathprof

Who knows his this turns out, but this Nifong character has really left one tremendous swath of damage in his politically-motivated wake.


5 posted on 12/23/2006 8:57:56 PM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (When Bubba lies, the finger flies!)
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To: stop_fascism

Ouch that hurts, but it is funny!


6 posted on 12/23/2006 9:13:46 PM PST by baltoga
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To: stop_fascism

Hey! I live within 100 miles and I haven't!


7 posted on 12/23/2006 9:16:48 PM PST by blarneystone
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To: mathprof

Well, I don't think that Meehan's testimony changed the course of the case so much as it just added another big nail in the coffin. Nifon and his "case" were a laughingstock months ago.


8 posted on 12/23/2006 9:20:01 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: mathprof

One thing that I heard on the news bothers me. If there was no sperm /DNA of the players then why on earth do they have to test for paternity of her baby from these three players? I also don't understand why all charges weren't dropped. Nifong sounds like he is a moron.


9 posted on 12/23/2006 9:20:55 PM PST by pandoraou812 ( zero tolerance and dilligaf?)
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To: mathprof

If this stupid DA did conspire with this guy to with hold this evidence, it is a critical violation of ethics and the rules. He should immediately be taken off the case by the judge, and the North Carolina Bar Association should immediately investigate this guy for unethical and illegal actions. He should be investigated for sanctions by the bar association.


10 posted on 12/23/2006 9:23:31 PM PST by RetiredArmy (I don't march to other people's opinion of me or my beliefs. I march to my beliefs and heart.)
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To: blarneystone
Hey! I live within 100 miles and I haven't!

That's what YOU say. We have not seen your DNA results yet have we? You just could be THE ONE!!!! :-)

11 posted on 12/23/2006 9:25:35 PM PST by RetiredArmy (I don't march to other people's opinion of me or my beliefs. I march to my beliefs and heart.)
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To: mathprof
Http://wilmingtonjournal.blackpressusa.com/news/Articale/Articale.asp?

You may want to read, it defines what is and what isn't rape in North Carolina law. And a few other interesting points.

12 posted on 12/23/2006 9:32:27 PM PST by org.whodat (Never let the facts get in the way of a good assumption.)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

[ Who knows his this turns out, but this Nifong character has really left one tremendous swath of damage in his politically-motivated wake. ]<p.
I wonder if the boys were registered republican?...


13 posted on 12/23/2006 9:38:34 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole)
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To: mathprof

I don't pretend to know the law,
but, I certainly hope that the three students can now
turn around and sue Nifong, whoever, to reclaim the
probable coupla hundred thousand amassed to date in legal fees!

They will never get their reputation back!


14 posted on 12/23/2006 9:40:15 PM PST by aShepard
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To: RetiredArmy

i think that she needs to go on maury povitch


15 posted on 12/23/2006 9:46:26 PM PST by machogirl
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To: org.whodat
You may want to read, it defines what is and what isn't rape in North Carolina law. And a few other interesting points.

The link doesn't work, but i did get to the "newspaper".

They claim that without a rape charge, all of the DNA evidence is inadmissable. Does anyone know if this is really true?

I know that "victim shield laws" prevent going into the accuser's past, except for events immediately prior to the incident at trial. Now it would seem to me that proof of recent sex with 5 men would go to the truthfulness of the accuser when she said "no sex for a week", and also would help explain any perceived swelling or injuries, but I am really wondering if this might not be Nifong's strategy.

Suppose he can somehow get the DNA evidence out of the trial, and offers a no jail time plea bargain. The kids might be very tempted to take the sure-fire get out of jail route, but would have to plead guilty to something. All of a sudden, damages for Nifong's excesses are off the table.

16 posted on 12/23/2006 10:19:52 PM PST by CurlyDave
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To: blarneystone

you're guilty until proven innocent by evidence of prosectorial corruption.


17 posted on 12/23/2006 11:11:03 PM PST by wildcatf4f3 (If it weren't for lawyers we wouldn't need 'em)
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To: mathprof

“No other statements,” Mr. Nifong said. “No other statements made to me.”

“The state is not aware of any additional material or information which may be exculpatory in nature with respect to the defendant,” Mr. Nifong said in the filing.

Boy, you can bet Nifong would hit the defendants with perjury charges if *they* made those 2 statements.


18 posted on 12/24/2006 12:19:17 AM PST by Felis_irritable
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To: machogirl

<<
i think that she needs to go on maury povitch
>>

No, Maury went on her. He was DNA match number 5.


19 posted on 12/24/2006 1:53:32 AM PST by noblejones (Ben Stein for President, 2008.)
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To: machogirl
i think that she needs to go on maury povitch

I'm sure she'll do that, for a price.

She's probably done it in the past for others.

< };^)

20 posted on 12/24/2006 2:40:37 AM PST by Erasmus (Able was Bob ere Bob saw Elba.)
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To: mathprof

All of these evil people who tried to railroad these innocent boys should serve the maximum time in prison that these boys faced.

All the way up to the prosecutor.


21 posted on 12/24/2006 2:45:34 AM PST by Bon mots
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To: wildcatf4f3
you're guilty until proven innocent by evidence of prosecutorial corruption.

You're guilty until proven innocent if a woman accuses you of rape.

Even if she's a hooker with the sperm of 26 other men in her panties.

Not to mention the fact that this lying b!+ch is being protected by some kind of absurd secrecy laws, while these poor boys have had their pictures on the front page of every newspaper from coast to coast.

22 posted on 12/24/2006 2:49:14 AM PST by Bon mots
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To: mathprof; All
< snip >kidnapping and sexual offense < /snip >

Could someone explain how/why kidnapping and sexual offense charges were charged ?

23 posted on 12/24/2006 2:50:02 AM PST by Las Vegas Dave (HDTV ping list, please FReepmail me if you would like your name added.)
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To: mathprof
It was an awkward omission...

No. It was part of a criminal conspiracy. The times got it wrong again.

24 posted on 12/24/2006 3:45:02 AM PST by FreePaul
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To: mathprof
I'm starting to wonder if North Carolina even has a state bar association.

Who is the Attorney General of North Carolina? "Kingfish" from Amos and Andy? Good grief, this is unbelievably bad.

25 posted on 12/24/2006 3:52:23 AM PST by The KG9 Kid
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To: pandoraou812

If I were in their place, I would demand that my dna be tested for paternity. You never know what a black jury will do in a politically charged case.
You can bet that the prosecution will strike whites from the jury, any black with any medical or psychological knowledge will then be struck from the jury, and any black who appears to be churchgoing or otherwise respectable looking will be struck from the jury by the prosecution.


26 posted on 12/24/2006 5:25:49 AM PST by 2ndClassCitizen
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To: mathprof
But given the volume of evidence in this case, he said he simply did not realize that he had failed to turn over the DNA results in question. “It was not something that I specifically noticed,” he said, “because if I specifically noticed it I would have dealt with it.”

So he's using the INCOMPETANCE defense...

27 posted on 12/24/2006 5:38:30 AM PST by ez ("Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton)
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To: mathprof
DNA Witness Jolted Dynamic of Duke Case

They withheld Brady material. Jolted is putting it mildly.

28 posted on 12/24/2006 5:40:04 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: The KG9 Kid

No, Howard from Andy Griffith.


29 posted on 12/24/2006 5:44:01 AM PST by NonValueAdded (Prayers for our patriot brother, 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub, now more than ever my FRiends.)
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To: NonValueAdded

For Nifong truthfulness is a random act. Watch for Judge Smith to take action for he was clearly lied to or intentionally deceived.


30 posted on 12/24/2006 6:10:43 AM PST by learner
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To: Bon mots
You're guilty until proven innocent if a woman accuses you of rape.

Yep...in the same category as child molestation charges, hate crime accusations, and of course any levies by the IRS.

31 posted on 12/24/2006 6:22:04 AM PST by ErnBatavia (recent nightmare: Googled up "Helen Thomas nude"....)
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To: machogirl

Oh, I am sure good ole Oprah will have her on as a victim shortly.


32 posted on 12/24/2006 6:24:20 AM PST by RetiredArmy (I don't march to other people's opinion of me or my beliefs. I march to my beliefs and heart.)
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To: The KG9 Kid

kingfish wasn't the lawyer...Algonquin J. Calhoun was.


33 posted on 12/24/2006 6:37:53 AM PST by terycarl (G)
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To: The KG9 Kid

kingfish wasn't the lawyer...Algonquin J. Calhoun was.


34 posted on 12/24/2006 6:38:06 AM PST by terycarl (G)
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To: aShepard

On FNC yesterday, I heard that the three families have already spent a combined one million dollars in legal costs,

$1,000,000.


35 posted on 12/24/2006 6:44:34 AM PST by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: Las Vegas Dave

Without the vaginal penetration the rape charges evaporated. I suppose Nifong still thinks he he can get her to testify that she was held in the bathroom for a couple of minutes against her will. Weren't her fake fingernails in the trash in the bathroom, so there is at least evidence that she was there.

My recollection is that the nurse testified that there was redness and swelling in her vagina that could indicate some type of activity. She now says it wasn't a penis, maybe Nifong thinks he can make something of the broomstick comment. I wonder if the frat house's brooms and mops have been checked?

On the other hand, I read that a couple has come forward with the story that they hired Precious earlier in the day for a private performance in their hotel room that included a dildo or vibrator. Defense lawyers can say that whatever redness and swelling was present in the vaginal area could have come from that, especially if she did not use lubrication.


36 posted on 12/24/2006 6:55:14 AM PST by Burkean
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To: RetiredArmy

The lab worker should not be considered a reliable witness in any further DNA matters. Hell, his integrity is compromised for a handshake deal.


37 posted on 12/24/2006 6:57:29 AM PST by healy61
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To: Parley Baer

why's everyone upset. Nifong is a Democrat who needed to get re-elected and what are a few White boys when you have the greater good of a Democrat being elected?


38 posted on 12/24/2006 8:06:36 AM PST by airedale ( XZ)
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To: pandoraou812
If there was no sperm /DNA of the players then why on earth do they have to test for paternity of her baby from these three players?

Indeed. I believe that early February is the due date, which would put a 40-week conception in the mid-May area. Not only were the rape charges filed in April, by mid-May all the Duke players were out of the state. Immaculate conception anyone?

39 posted on 12/24/2006 8:56:30 AM PST by jiggyboy (Ten per cent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: Las Vegas Dave
Could someone explain how/why kidnapping and sexual offense charges were charged ?

"Kidnapping" sounds ominous (and is supposed to, to a defendant) but in fact it is as little as pushing somebody from one room to another. In this case, the claim is that they dragged her into the bathroom. That's Nifong's last hope in this case.

40 posted on 12/24/2006 9:01:54 AM PST by jiggyboy (Ten per cent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: 2ndClassCitizen
You are right, they should get it done just to tie all loose threads up. I believe though I am not going to say I am 100% correct that it was the Duke player's lawyers who want the paternity tests done. I hope all charges get dropped and Nifong gets fired.
41 posted on 12/24/2006 10:26:45 AM PST by pandoraou812 ( zero tolerance and dilligaf?)
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To: RetiredArmy

and the North Carolina Bar Association should immediately investigate this guy for unethical and illegal actions. He should be investigated for sanctions by the bar association.



I for one have had it "up to here" with private organizations that have been given official sanction by the legal system in this country , the bar associations have no purpose but to protect trash like nifong and keep up an artificial barrier to entry into the profession...


42 posted on 12/24/2006 11:12:07 AM PST by Neidermeyer
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To: Burkean

lawyers can say that whatever redness and swelling was present in the vaginal area could have come from that, especially if she did not use lubrication.



Plenty of lubrication from the five paying customers that elected not to use condome...


43 posted on 12/24/2006 11:22:37 AM PST by Neidermeyer
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To: pandoraou812
If the daddy turns out to be Nifong or someone from his office, they could demand Nifong be excuse from the case. There are other reasons also why they would want to totally eliminate eliminated their clients. Who knows what lies the FA might make up.

I am sure the defense is also following up on the Durham 5 who left their DNA on her (who might be the rapists if a rape did occur as the people of Durham insist).

44 posted on 12/24/2006 11:33:23 AM PST by Jane Austen
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To: Neidermeyer
I for one have had it "up to here" with private organizations that have been given official sanction by the legal system in this country , the bar associations have no purpose but to protect trash like nifong and keep up an artificial barrier to entry into the profession...

I agree. But, lawyers/judges wrote the rules on governing and punishing lawyers/judges. So, they will have to do it through the bar association unless it could be proved it was a criminal violation this puke did. But, it will have to go through the bar association unfortunately.

45 posted on 12/24/2006 4:08:11 PM PST by RetiredArmy (I don't march to other people's opinion of me or my beliefs. I march to my beliefs and heart.)
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To: mathprof

"If there ain't no jizz,
this case ain't got no sizz!"

quote - the late J Cockroach


46 posted on 12/24/2006 9:10:44 PM PST by aShepard
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To: Lancey Howard
Well, I don't think that Meehan's testimony changed the course of the case so much as it just added another big nail in the coffin. Nifon and his "case" were a laughingstock months ago.

I agree, this case has been DOA for months, but the Times is acting like this news all of a sudden turns the case around. K=Heck, I think if you look at the AP and NYT stories after the Friday hearing, the concentrated on the paternity tests, they seemed oblivious to the bombshell Meehan dropped.

The MSM is so far behind the curve on this story it is sad. Journalism degrees, tons of resources, professional standards, et al, and they are still struggling to understand this story, when Freepers understood the whole issue in a matter of about 3 weeks.

47 posted on 12/26/2006 10:13:43 AM PST by Fido969 ("The hardest thing in the world to understand is income tax." - Albert Einstein)
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