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AP: Congress Rebukes FBI Over Probe (Oklahoma City Bombing)
Excite news ^ | December 24, 2006 | JOHN SOLOMON, AP

Posted on 12/24/2006 12:21:44 PM PST by LurkedLongEnough

WASHINGTON (AP) - The FBI failed to fully investigate information suggesting other suspects may have helped Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols with the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, allowing questions to linger more than a decade after the deadly attack, a congressional inquiry concludes.

The House International Relations investigative subcommittee will release the findings of its two-year-review as early as Wednesday, declaring there is no conclusive evidence of a foreign connection to the attack but that far too many unanswered questions remain.

The subcommittee's report will conclude there is no doubt McVeigh and Nichols were the main perpetrators, and it discloses for the first time that Nichols confirmed to House investigators he participated in the robbery of an Arkansas gun dealer that provided the proceeds for the attack.

There have long been questions about that robbery because the FBI concluded McVeigh was in another state at the time it occurred.

The report also sharply criticizes the FBI for failing to be curious enough to pursue credible information that foreign or U.S. citizens may have had contact with Nichols or McVeigh and could have assisted their plot.

"We did our best with limited resources, and I think we moved the understanding of this issue forward a couple of notches even though important questions remain unanswered," Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-Calif., the subcommittee chairman, said in an interview with The Associated Press.

Rohrabacher's subcommittee saved its sharpest words for the Justice Department, saying officials there exhibited a mind-set of thwarting congressional oversight and did not assist the investigation fully.

The report rebukes the FBI for not fully pursuing leads suggesting other suspects may have provided support to McVeigh and Nichols before their truck bomb killed 168 people in the main federal building in Oklahoma City on April 19, 1995.

The report says the inadequacy of the bureau's work was exposed two years ago when some bombing evidence overlooked for 10 years was discovered in a home linked to Nichols that had been searched repeatedly by agents.

Officials at the FBI press office had no immediate comment Sunday but were looking into the details of the report.

Previously, the bureau has said it believes its investigation of the bombing was exhaustive and that there is no credible evidence that other people were involved.

The subcommittee concludes the Justice Department should not have rushed to execute McVeigh in 2001 after he dropped his court appeals, and that officials should have made more efforts to interview and question him about evidence suggesting he might have gotten help from other people who remain unpunished.

The former lead FBI agent in the case, Dan Defenbaugh, told AP a few years ago he was trying to get one last interview with McVeigh to go over unanswered questions in the case but could not get it arranged before McVeigh was executed.

Rohrabacher's report cites several leads the subcommittee believes were not fully investigated, including:

_information that McVeigh called a German citizen living at a white supremacist compound in Oklahoma two weeks before the bombing and that two witnesses saw the men together before the bombing.

_witness accounts that another man was seen with McVeigh around the time of the bombing. The FBI originally looked for another suspect it named John Doe 2, even providing a sketch, but abruptly dropped that line of inquiry. The subcommittee concludes that decision was a mistake.

_findings in AP articles in 2003 and 2004 that indicated the FBI had gathered some evidence suggesting a group of neo-Nazi bank robbers may have been tied to McVeigh. The subcommittee interviewed three of those robbers, and all denied a connection. A fourth member of the gang died and a fifth member could not be located by Congress.

_phone record and witness testimony that persons associated with Middle Eastern terrorism in the Philippines may have had contact with Nichols, and that Nichols took a book about explosives to the Philippines. The FBI and Filipino police spent months investigating such a connection, but ruled it out.

_information from a former TV reporter concerning an Iraqi national who was in Oklahoma around the time of the bombing.


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Oklahoma
KEYWORDS: gorelick; gorelickwall; johndoe2; mcveigh; okcbombing; terrynichols; timothymcveigh
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1 posted on 12/24/2006 12:21:46 PM PST by LurkedLongEnough
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To: LurkedLongEnough

Just ask anyone living in OKC what a huge whitewash this has all been.


2 posted on 12/24/2006 12:25:43 PM PST by rodguy911 (Support The New media, Ticket the Drive-bys, --America-The land of the Free because of the Brave-)
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To: rodguy911

Jamie Gorelick "stopped" that investigation.


3 posted on 12/24/2006 12:30:34 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: LurkedLongEnough; truthaboveall
I'm pretty sure Jayna Davis could point them in the right direction, maybe even lend them a copy of her book "The Third Terrorist".

Hopefully, Rohrabacher is not just posturing again.

4 posted on 12/24/2006 12:31:12 PM PST by Don Carlos (My dog ate my sarcasm tag)
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To: rodguy911

Whitewash indeed. I knew something was up when we stopped looking for John Doe number 2. Remember? For two straight days, his picture was all over the news and then suddenly, nothing. I knew there was more to the story then. After all the crap Clinton pulled before OKC, it was easy to assume there was more to the story..


5 posted on 12/24/2006 12:32:32 PM PST by cardinal4
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To: Sacajaweau

Yep, Jamie Gorelick came to mind the instant I read the title of this thread.

Put credit where credit is due. In this case, the FBI is the fall guy.


6 posted on 12/24/2006 12:34:04 PM PST by tazman3
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To: LurkedLongEnough
"Congress Rebukes FBI Over Probe (Oklahoma City Bombing)

Well, the paper tiger Congress can rebuke all it wants. The FBI couldn't care less and nothing will change.

7 posted on 12/24/2006 12:36:02 PM PST by Enterprise (Let's not enforce laws that are already on the books, let's just write new laws we won't enforce.)
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To: LurkedLongEnough
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8 posted on 12/24/2006 12:36:55 PM PST by Popocatapetl
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To: Sacajaweau

I never heard Gorelick was involved with OKC - but not surprised. I pray the truth comes out and xlinton gets nailed for ignoring a terrorist attack on US soil ala '93-WTC.


9 posted on 12/24/2006 12:37:36 PM PST by newfreep (islam is a political movement - vaporize mecca to destroy their source of "inspiration".)
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To: LurkedLongEnough
We did our best with limited resources

Oh, so suddenly they're worried about over spending my tax dollars? Yes, and just what about John Doe #2. Btw, how is Jose Padilla doing these days?

10 posted on 12/24/2006 12:38:45 PM PST by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: LurkedLongEnough
"We did our best with limited resources, and I think we moved the understanding of this issue forward a couple of notches even though important questions remain unanswered," Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-Calif., the subcommittee chairman, said in an interview with The Associated Press.


Thanks for giving it the old "collegiate try", Dana. This is far from over.

Now go home to your wife and triplets and have a good holiday.

11 posted on 12/24/2006 12:39:39 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... Merry Something PC.)
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To: mtbopfuyn
Oh, so suddenly they're worried about over spending my tax dollars? Yes, and just what about John Doe #2. Btw, how is Jose Padilla doing these days?

Very good question.

12 posted on 12/24/2006 12:43:22 PM PST by Texas Mom (Two places you're always welcome - church and Grandma's house.)
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To: Texas Mom

The full text of the report is here:

http://intelwire.egoplex.com/2006_12_23_exclusives.html#116690939617012869


13 posted on 12/24/2006 12:56:52 PM PST by JohnBerger
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To: Popocatapetl

That's it.


14 posted on 12/24/2006 1:02:03 PM PST by livius
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To: mtbopfuyn
The fact that the Philippines was visited, that the wife was Philippine.......

Come on.
15 posted on 12/24/2006 1:09:35 PM PST by Battle Axe (Repent for the coming of the Lord is nigh!)
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To: Don Carlos

Rohrbacher has not been cooperative with Jayna.


16 posted on 12/24/2006 1:11:01 PM PST by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: LurkedLongEnough

11 years ago . . . . . ?


17 posted on 12/24/2006 1:12:16 PM PST by smonk
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To: LurkedLongEnough
The Oklahoma City bombing?

Everybody knows it was right-wing hate radio that did it...

18 posted on 12/24/2006 1:26:12 PM PST by Gritty (Iran has been at war with us for 27 years, even though we’ve yet to deign to fight back-Dean Barnett)
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To: LurkedLongEnough

I have been thinking about those convicted of heinous crimes and traitors.

I would like to see these this of person put on a lie detector and filled with every type of truth serums to check their story, find the people who aided and abetted them.
This might free a few innocent and get the master minds behind the crimes.

Right now a guilty person sentenced to death might get more than 20 years of 3 hots and entertainment.
Lawyers that get 20 years of tax payers money will hate this idea.

Wasn't the "main" person convicted of the OKC bombing put to death so much faster than usual for a capital crime.


19 posted on 12/24/2006 1:30:56 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto")
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To: newfreep
THIS excellent FR post ties up the loose ends of the Clinton coverup engineered by Gorlick...

IMHO it *perfectly* explains WHY we took out Saddam - it was revenge for his involvement in 9/11 attempt #1, OKC, TWA800 (remember Pierre Salinger was adamant in claiming it was shot down given the huge number of eyewitnesses), and of course, 9/11 attempt #2. I am *amazed* that Clinton tried to pin OKC on "the VRWC" and the "right wing militias".

What the really big mystery to me is that, GWB and the GOP have not called the Dims on this and have allowed the coverup to proceed.

Perhaps they are afraid of what might happen if the full story were told.

A truly great game is afoot and we are only seeing a small, fleeting piece of it as it continues to unfold.

20 posted on 12/24/2006 1:42:38 PM PST by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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To: LurkedLongEnough

Did the Committee review any of the 20-some security videos that the FBI took from cameras in the vicinity of the Murrah Building?

Most of those videos have never been shown. Why not? Do they show more than the 'official' story?

When the Murrah bombing first hit the news, most of the networks were specualating foreign terrorism. Within an hour, that story changed to speculation of home-grown terrorists. (Was that when Jamie Gorelick put out the word to drop references to foreign terrorists?) President Clinton could not allow that foreign terrorists attacked mid-America on his watch (he already had WTC 1 attack on his watch), so he had to make sure that the attackers were ONLY home-grown white boys and that Rush Limbaugh was the cause of public anxiety. If the Murrah bombing reports implicated foreigner terrorists attacking America's heartland unabated, Clinton's presidency would have been over. He had to cover it up and Jamie Gorelick was the one charged with the task.


21 posted on 12/24/2006 1:51:54 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: rodguy911

Now you know that the whole OKC bombing thing was 2 things...a photo op for Pres. Bill Clinton's "I feel your pain" look...

And, too big of a "mess" for the Clinton Administration to want to deal with.


22 posted on 12/24/2006 1:52:12 PM PST by Txsleuth (Bolton/Cheney (that would be Lynne) 08)
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To: newfreep
I never heard Gorelick was involved with OKC

Check these google links about Gorelick+Murrah+memo=freerepublic.com.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=gorelick+murrah+memo+site%3Afreerepublic.com

Supposedly, the memo that came from Washington to officials in OKC, that told them to cease looking for foreign involvement, came from Gorelick's Washington office soon after the bombing. She was also instrumental in adding to the so-called Wall between the FBI and CIA. Care to speculate why she was appointed to the 9-11 Commission?
23 posted on 12/24/2006 2:00:42 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: LurkedLongEnough

Interesting that this comes out on Sunday, Christmas Eve.


24 posted on 12/24/2006 2:02:51 PM PST by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: mtbopfuyn
Oh, so suddenly they're worried about over spending my tax dollars?

Yeh.

Why, just this morning FoxNews announced that the good ole US of A is going to contribute to the renovation costs of the UN building ($1.9Billion). Our contribution is going to be 22% (around $418Million).
25 posted on 12/24/2006 2:05:47 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
Wasn't the "main" person convicted of the OKC bombing put to death so much faster than usual for a capital crime.

Hmm, you don't suppose someone was afraid Timothy might start running his mouth so it was shut permanently?

26 posted on 12/24/2006 2:29:45 PM PST by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: TomGuy
Within an hour, that story changed to speculation of home-grown terrorists.

Amazing, huh.

27 posted on 12/24/2006 2:32:48 PM PST by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: LurkedLongEnough

Another article about this:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53485

And the corresponding FR thread:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1757721/posts

Both of these from Dec 23, 2006.


28 posted on 12/24/2006 2:42:16 PM PST by upchuck (How to win the WOT? Simple: set our rules of engagement to at least match those of our enemy.)
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To: LurkedLongEnough

I'm still trying to find the names "Clinton" and/or "Reno" in this article. Doesn't the buck stop at the top? I guess only when it's a Republican.


29 posted on 12/24/2006 2:58:39 PM PST by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

Wasn't the "main" person convicted of the OKC bombing put to death so much faster than usual for a capital crime.


Didn't the bulldozers show up at OKC and Waco awfully soon.


30 posted on 12/24/2006 3:24:53 PM PST by freedomfiter2
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To: chilepepper

What the really big mystery to me is that, GWB and the GOP have not called the Dims on this and have allowed the coverup to proceed.


Is it possible that the GOP elite and the Dems are not on opposing sides?


31 posted on 12/24/2006 3:27:00 PM PST by freedomfiter2
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To: rodguy911

I do not live there but I knew that from the beginning.


32 posted on 12/24/2006 3:28:38 PM PST by MamaB (mom to an Angel)
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To: TomGuy

Why, just this morning FoxNews announced that the good ole US of A is going to contribute to the renovation costs of the UN building ($1.9Billion). Our contribution is going to be 22% (around $418Million).


We should just give the building to Walmart. They would cover the renovation costs themselves.


33 posted on 12/24/2006 3:29:34 PM PST by freedomfiter2
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To: TomGuy

The shift of FBI and White House (Clinton) attention away from searching for the swarthy-complexioned man that accompanied McVeigh in parking the Ryder truck bomb was so abrupt and logically unjustified that it took my breath away, figuratively speaking. But it allowed B. J. Clinton to avoid having to take punitive action, possibly even military action against the perpetrators or their (in my mind Islamic terrorist) backers. It is evident to me that he was determined that on his watch no U.S. military person would be sent into harms way and potential KIA status in defense of the vital security interests or survival of the U. S. (In this I believe he succeeded). The citizen militias provided a ready-made target for vilification and suspicion, a group of citizens that had failed to vote for Clinton, precisely as the Columbine high school shooting gave him an opportunity to demonize members of the Nat'l Rifle Association and lawful citizen gun owners generally, another group that had declined to vote for him but had no culpablity whatsoever in the Columbine tragedy.


34 posted on 12/24/2006 3:33:52 PM PST by Elsiejay (\)
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To: freedomfiter2
I always wondered about that also. I think the answer may lie in that the 'Pubs agreed to go along (to get along) with the Clinton adm. in order to keep the "people" calm. Does anyone out there remember the early call to be on the lookout for a brown pickup truck, it was in the first few hours after the bombing, or am I misremembering?
35 posted on 12/24/2006 3:34:38 PM PST by pepperdog
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To: freedomfiter2
Is it possible that the GOP elite and the Dems are not on opposing sides?

It's been obvious for years that all of the politicians are doing the bidding of other forces normally thought to be outside government, such as international bankin interests. That's why all of the sound and fury over who "controls" the political offices doesn't amount to much - there will be some slight differences in tactics, but they are all steering us in the same general direction. Politicians who step out of line (like Curt Weldon) are quickly whistled for a foul and removed from the game. ;)

36 posted on 12/24/2006 3:38:16 PM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

It's been obvious for years that all of the politicians are doing the bidding of other forces normally thought to be outside government, such as international bankin interests. That's why all of the sound and fury over who "controls" the political offices doesn't amount to much - there will be some slight differences in tactics, but they are all steering us in the same general direction. Politicians who step out of line (like Curt Weldon) are quickly whistled for a foul and removed from the game. ;)


I wish you were wrong because that means the only solution requires working out side the political system.


37 posted on 12/24/2006 3:47:19 PM PST by freedomfiter2
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To: freedomfiter2
Is it possible that the GOP elite and the Dems are not on opposing sides?

I cite the Important Person Rule: "Important people don't call other important people to account."

38 posted on 12/24/2006 3:51:52 PM PST by Grut
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To: cardinal4

Given the escalation of terror in the Mideast, all that crap about blaming Rush Limbaugh and others. From this distance, it does not compute.


39 posted on 12/24/2006 4:01:12 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHI)
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To: doug from upland

Rohrbacher doesn't want to know; neither does he want to look like a fool if new evidence comes out in the near future.


40 posted on 12/24/2006 4:03:26 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHI)
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To: chilepepper

I don't know what is going on between the Bushes and the Clintons. Their coziness is very odd.


41 posted on 12/24/2006 4:05:58 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHI)
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To: Don Carlos
Well, I smelled a rat when the gov. executed Tim McVay so quickly. have you EVER seen anyone be put to death so quickly after a guilty verdict? They can usually look forward to years in a cell before that happens..I've always thought that even tho he wasn't talking, the gov. didn't want to take any chances that he just might change his mind in the future, and they hurriedly got rid of him before he could possibly give out more information....I frankly think both he and Nichols were the "token fall guys", that the real brains behind the operation was probably a mid east terrorist group, and for whatever reason, our disgusting gov. didn't want to open that can of worms....business as usual.
42 posted on 12/24/2006 4:23:59 PM PST by Molly T.
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

HuntsvilleTxVeteran asks:
"Wasn't the "main" person convicted of the OKC bombing put to death so much faster than usual for a capital crime?"
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Excellent observation. The lighting fast execution(silencing?)of McVeigh was also the first federal execution in 38 years.


43 posted on 12/24/2006 4:45:14 PM PST by OkeyDokeyOkie
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To: OkeyDokeyOkie
Wasn't the "main" person convicted of the OKC bombing put to death so much faster than usual for a capital crime?"

wasn't the clinton administration against the death penalty?

44 posted on 12/24/2006 4:52:17 PM PST by alrea
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To: LurkedLongEnough

Marking this one for sometime other than Christmas Eve night....too many things to accomplish...and wife will not allow me to sit here in front of this thing tonight.


45 posted on 12/24/2006 5:26:20 PM PST by browngreengold (If the Islamic problem is all about Iraq and Israel, then why did John Quincy Adams write about it?)
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To: Don Carlos
Hopefully, Rohrabacher is not just posturing again.

I can't honestly recall a time when Rohrbacher was not posturing.

46 posted on 12/24/2006 5:30:34 PM PST by r9etb
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To: LurkedLongEnough; All

BTTT! Many grrrreat FReeper comments.


47 posted on 12/24/2006 6:04:26 PM PST by PGalt
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To: chilepepper
What the really big mystery to me is that, GWB and the GOP have not called the Dims on this

Why hasn't GWB closed the borders? Why is GWB calling for amnesty? Why is GWB supporting the minimum wage?

48 posted on 12/24/2006 6:09:35 PM PST by ladyjane
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To: TomGuy

Your post is probably the most clear and probable explanation I have seen, and exactly what I have thought from the beginning. I remember those sketches of John Doe that looked like a ME'ster.


49 posted on 12/24/2006 6:16:16 PM PST by NewLand (Always Remember September 11, 2001)
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To: NewLand

hmm...


50 posted on 12/24/2006 6:22:43 PM PST by FreeManWhoCan (**An American in Miami**)
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