USA: Muslim vote is powerful, group told

muslimnews ^ | 12/24/06 | ZACHARY GORCHOW

[Doc Savage]

I will never vote for a muslim. I will never be friends with a muslim. I will never befriend a muslim. If a muslim achieves political power I will oppose him. If he achieves political control I will fight him. If a muslim threatens me, my family, or my country, I will kill him!

[TomGuy]

Sorry Charlie.

My statement was factual, which negates your calling it bigotry. It has nothing to do with race; it did have plenty to do with culture; those are vastly different.

As for the 'insensitive' and 'offensive', well, I don't do PC. You'll have to go elsewhere for that. You have no guaranteed right not to be offended. So, if you are so easily offended, maybe you shouldn't be on the Internet at all. It has allot is offensive.

And one point of information (on which my statement was based): Muslims are required to try to institute Sharia law when their numbers reach approximately 20% of any given population. They are already trying to push it in some Canadian communities. Can Dearbornistan be far behind?

[FlyVet]

You missed the sarcasm.

[PGalt]

An anti-truth, anti-freedom collective aligns with another anti-truth, anti-freedom collective.

[onedoug]

How would Muhamad vote?

[XBob]

21 - "And when their numbers become sufficient, they will be pushing for Sharia law to replace the US, state and local laws they are subjected to.

*Every* Muslim I have personally known (perhaps ten), has fled sharia law and the fundamentalist idiots who enforced it in their home countries.

Educated, moderate Muslims are THE great untapped resource in the GWoT, but we just lump them in with the Islamo-fascists and wonder why they feel alienated?"

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So, we should trust our lives to 'bad' muslims, who disobey their religion, and don't kill us infadels, or enforce sharia law?

The ones who have a religion which instructs them to lie to us infadels, and trick us?

What if they decide to become 'good' muslims and follow the koran, and attempt to convert, tax, enslave or kill us infadels who live in the war zone (dar el harb - the non islam world)?

What if they decide to do as their imams religious leaders instruct and impose their religion on the whole world, as religious tolerance is not allowed.

And if so, why are they still moslem? Could it be because 'good' muslims are commanded to kill 'bad' muslims who attempt to leave the religion?

[Jorge]

So, if you are so easily offended, maybe you shouldn't be on the Internet at all. It has allot is offensive.

Why not? Everybody comes to the internet to get offended.

[Jorge]

I'm surprised they even vote...

Why not?

Buddhists vote, evolutionists vote, atheists vote.

Why shouldn't Muslims?

[elcid1970]

"under various schools of Islamic thought"

That's fine as it goes, but it's anything but a level playing field for all branches of Islam, either in the Middle East, Western Europe, or the United States. "Them what has the gold makes the rules", and it's petrodollar fueled Wahhabism that dominates the madrassas here or anywhere else.

Wouldn't we all love to see schools of Sufi mysticism (headquartered in Tashkent, Uzbekistan) flourishing here? It's said Sufi Muslims in those institutes welcome guest speakers of other faiths. But that's not the reality here.

"When in Rome..." Mohammed Atta and the other 9/11 mass murderers were frequenting strip clubs and consuming alcohol before committing their dastardly acts.

Anyway, doesn't any Muslim, regardless of degree of religiosity, have to reckon with the possibility of being watched by the fanatical faithful?

The question of whether a `moderate Muslim' is one who merely fails to adhere to _the currently enforced definition_ of what a Muslim should be, has IMHO not yet been addressed on this thread.

[brytlea]

Thank you for responding. I thought maybe you had a greater insight than the rest of us. As for me, I can only go by what I hear, what I see (altho of course virtually everything is filtered thru some sort of media) and what I have read on the Koran. Nothing gives me much of a warm fuzzy that it could be a peaceful religion, but I'm open to changing my mind if I see evidence.
As for individuals, I'm sure many Muslims would love to just live their lives out and not be caught up in religious ferver. But I could say the same for many Christians.
susie

[thiscouldbemoreconfusing]

As a result, Democrat James Webb ousted incumbent Republican George Allen by about 9,000 votes in a race in which 50,000 Muslims went to the polls -- 47,000 of them voting for Webb, Bray said.

And they are proud of that?

[XBob]

muslims in the US are already trying to change our laws to suit themselves, including allowing women to take drivers ID pictures completely veiled, allowing prayer calls broadcast of loudspeakers throughout neighborhoods 5 times a day, for muslim prayers, and at least one congressman to swear to uphold the constitution, with his hand on the koran, in spite of the fact that the koran itself prohibits him from doing this.

[Gritty]

*Every* Muslim I have personally known (perhaps ten), has fled sharia law and the fundamentalist idiots who enforced it in their home countries.

Then they're not true Muslims, they're something else. Lapsed Muslims, perhaps?

If they believe the Koran, they must believe in the supremacy of Sharia law above all else. They obviously are fleeing from their own religious beliefs.

They would do well to look elsewhere for a set of beliefs, but not to Islam. I would recommend Christianity. For one thing, it is the truth and not a false religion founded by a murderous madman.

[Yosemitest]

He will.
Here's something that might give you comfort. I believe it talks about the end of Muslims.

Ezekiel 39:8-22

8 Behold, it is come, and it is done, saith the Lord GOD;
this is the day whereof I have spoken.

9 And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth,
and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, ^F183 and the spears,
and they shall burn them with fire seven years:
10 So that they shall take no wood out of the field, neither cut down any out of the forests;
for they shall burn the weapons with fire:
and they shall spoil those that spoiled them,
and rob those that robbed them, saith the Lord GOD.

11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea:

and it shall stop the noses of the passengers:
and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude:
and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog.
12 And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them,
that they may cleanse the land.
13 Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them;

and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified, saith the Lord GOD.
14 And they shall sever out men ^F184 of continual employment,
passing through the land to bury with the passengers those that remain upon the face of the earth,
to cleanse it:
after the end of seven months shall they search.
15 And the passengers that pass through the land, when any seeth a man's bone,
then shall he set up ^F185 a sign by it,
till the buriers have buried it in the valley of Hamongog.
16 And also the name of the city shall be Hamonah. ^F186 Thus shall they cleanse the land.
17 And, thou son of man,
thus saith the Lord GOD;

Speak unto every feathered fowl, and to every beast of the field,
Assemble yourselves, and come;
gather yourselves on every side to my sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you,
even a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel,
that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood.
18 Ye shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth,
of rams, of lambs, and of goats, ^F187 of bullocks,
all of them fatlings of Bashan.
19 And ye shall eat fat till ye be full, and drink blood till ye be drunken,
of my sacrifice which I have sacrificed for you.
20 Thus ye shall be filled at my table
with horses and chariots, with mighty men, and with all men of war, saith the Lord GOD.

21 And I will set my glory among the heathen,
and all the heathen shall see my judgment
that I have executed, and my hand
that I have laid upon them. 22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.

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FOOTNOTES:
F183: handstaves: or, javelins
F184: men...: Heb. men of continuance
F185: set up: Heb. build
F186: Hamonah: that is, The multitude
F187: goats: Heb. great goats

 

The King James Version (Authorized)

I could be wrong, put picking up dead Muslims for more than seven months sounds like ... what our Lord will have us do.

[jordan8]

Hey man, they're good for the economy, that's all that matters! Some victims are so pathetic you just can't feel sorry for them.

[TomGuy]

You missed the sarcasm.

Like you CAIR.

lol

[FlyVet]

Like you CAIR. lol

Merry Christmas, and death to the Infidels!

[ArmyTeach]

"Educated, moderate Muslims are THE great untapped resource ..."
Will all educated, moderate, rational and peace loving Muslims please stand up and identify yourselves? Will you loudly, clearly and without qualification denounce terrorism in all its forms anywhere in the world?
I'm waiting ... the sound of silence is deafening.

[MarkL]

The SPs won't allow it.

Even their love of the Muzzies will vanish when they are faced with religious law.

It won't matter. By the time they realize what's happening, it'll be too late. They're the useful idiots who will give them the power, and then offer up their necks.

Mark

[ArmyTeach]

The rest of the world, and in particular the rest of the Muslim world, understands that Islam can peacably co-exist with peaceful people - does it bother you that you have so much in common (in terms of your interpretation of Islam) with the enemy? I'm trying hard. Could you please enlighten me? Identify one place on our globe where Muslims live in peace, harmony and mutual respect with neighbors of differing religions, cultures, whatever?