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FBI chided for OKC bomb investigation
Yahoo ^ | 12/25/06

Posted on 12/25/2006 6:03:17 AM PST by Mr. Brightside

FBI chided for OKC bomb investigation

By JOHN SOLOMON, Associated Press Writer

Mon Dec 25, 4:36 AM ET

WASHINGTON - A two-year congressional inquiry into the Oklahoma City bombing concludes that the FBI didn't fully investigate whether other suspects may have helped Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols with the deadly 1995 attack, allowing questions to linger a decade later.

The House International Relations investigative subcommittee will release the findings of its two-year review as early as Wednesday, declaring there is no conclusive evidence of a foreign connection to the attack, but that far too many unanswered questions remain.

The subcommittee's report will conclude there is no doubt McVeigh and Nichols were the main perpetrators, and it discloses for the first time that Nichols confirmed to House investigators he participated in the robbery of an Arkansas gun dealer that provided the proceeds for the attack.

There have long been questions about that robbery because the FBI concluded McVeigh was in another state at the time it occurred.

The report also sharply criticizes the FBI for failing to be curious enough to pursue credible information that foreign or U.S. citizens may have had contact with Nichols or McVeigh and could have assisted their plot.

"We did our best with limited resources, and I think we moved the understanding of this issue forward a couple of notches even though important questions remain unanswered," Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (news, bio, voting record), R-Calif., the subcommittee chairman, said in an interview with The Associated Press.

Rohrabacher's subcommittee saved its sharpest words for the Justice Department, saying officials there exhibited a mindset of thwarting congressional oversight and did not assist the investigation fully.

The report rebukes the FBI for not fully pursuing leads suggesting other suspects may have provided support to McVeigh and Nichols before their truck bomb killed 168 people in the main federal building in Oklahoma City on April 19, 1995.

The report says the inadequacy of the bureau's work was exposed two years ago when some bombing evidence overlooked for 10 years was discovered in a home linked to Nichols that had been searched repeatedly by agents.

It also notes that McVeigh failed a polygraph when he was asked a question about whether other perpetrators were involved.

FBI spokesman Richard Kolko said Sunday the FBI had not seen the report but that it remains confident its agents conducted a thorough invetsigation.

"The Oklahoma City bombing case was the largest case the FBI worked on before 9/11," Kolko said. "Agents at virtually every office, domestically and overseas, covered thousands of leads. Every bit of information was investigated and reviewed."

The subcommittee report concludes the Justice Department should not have rushed to execute McVeigh in 2001 after he dropped his court appeals, and officials should have made more efforts to interview and question him about evidence suggesting he might have gotten help from other people who remain unpunished.

Rohrabacher's report cites several leads the subcommittee believes weren't fully investigated, including:

• Information that McVeigh called a German citizen living at a white supremacist compound in Oklahoma two weeks before the bombing and that two witnesses saw the men together before the bombing.

• Witness accounts that another man was seen with McVeigh around the time of the bombing. The FBI originally looked for another suspect it named John Doe 2, even providing a sketch, but abruptly dropped that line of inquiry. The subcommittee concludes that decision was a mistake.

• Findings in AP articles in 2003 and 2004 that indicated the FBI had gathered some evidence suggesting a group of neo-Nazi bank robbers may have been tied to McVeigh. The subcommittee interviewed three of those robbers, and all denied a connection. A fourth member of the gang died and a fifth member could not be located by Congress.

• Phone record and witness testimony that persons associated with Middle Eastern terrorism in the Philippines may have had contact with Nichols, and that Nichols took a book about explosives to the Philippines. The FBI and Filipino police spent months investigating such a connection, but ruled it out.

• Information from a former TV reporter concerning an Iraqi national who was in Oklahoma around the time of the bombing.


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: okbomb; okc; okcbomb; okcbombing

1 posted on 12/25/2006 6:03:19 AM PST by Mr. Brightside
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To: Mr. Brightside

2 posted on 12/25/2006 6:07:59 AM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Mr. Brightside
--Every bit of information was investigated and reviewed."--

--Yet several years after his conviction and imprisonment, Terry Nichols could still tell them about explosives hidden in the attic of a house he had lived in--which were found to be there that long after the "investigation"--

3 posted on 12/25/2006 6:10:49 AM PST by rellimpank (-don't believe anything the MSM states about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: rellimpank

Someone help out my faulty memory: who was President at the time?


4 posted on 12/25/2006 6:13:14 AM PST by Dahoser (It's going to be a long and miserable two years.)
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To: Dahoser

CLINTON


5 posted on 12/25/2006 6:15:23 AM PST by JOHANNES801 (I have no tag line, cause I say nasty things.)
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To: Dahoser
Well, let's see hummmmmm...

I think all the answers are hidden in Sandy Burger's pants or was it his socks.......

And the penalty for treason is:

Having to live with a "wife" who will lose the presidency.

How's that going??
6 posted on 12/25/2006 6:16:15 AM PST by Battle Axe (Repent for the coming of the Lord is nigh!)
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To: truthaboveall; Mr. Brightside

Ping


7 posted on 12/25/2006 6:16:34 AM PST by Eastbound
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To: martin_fierro

--yep--I wonder if the crack investigative group that "caught" Richard Jewell has attempted to determine the whereabouts of the alleged "dirty nuke" man at the time of the "OK bombing"-- (as it was at first referred to by said investigative group--)?


8 posted on 12/25/2006 6:17:01 AM PST by rellimpank (-don't believe anything the MSM states about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: Dahoser

When the bombing and initial investigation took place? Clinton.

When McVeigh was executed before many of the leads mentioned in the article were investigated? Bush.


9 posted on 12/25/2006 6:20:25 AM PST by Freedom_no_exceptions (No actual, intended, or imminent victim = no crime. No exceptions.)
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To: Mr. Brightside
People linger on death row for 10, 15 and more years.

How was it that Timothy McVeigh was put to death so quickly?

10 posted on 12/25/2006 6:28:16 AM PST by JohnG45
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To: rellimpank
An excellent book to read is "Others Unknown" by Stephen Jones. He was Tim McVeigh's lawyer during that whole fiasco. After Tim Fired Stephen, he criticized Mr. Jones, this gave Mr. Jones the ability to defend himself because Tim's action released him from the Lawyer-Client privilege.

Very enlightening book. It was written prior to 9/11, yet the preface points a very strong finger at OBL. The odd thing was that Mr. Jones was hampered by the government in obtaining information on Nichols overseas connections. This was partly because it was the government that was tasked with finding Nichols and McVeigh guilty (conflict of interest).

It' no surprise who was in charge of the Justice Dept....Reno. It's also no surprise who was diddling in the White house.....POS POTUS. IMO, the latter was adamant against private ownership of arms and the militia's were an easier target then say OBL. Besides why would he want to acknowledge that he had failed at National Security.

All that being said, most people roll their eyes if you even suggest a cover up by the government. There are somethings that I don't believe we will ever get the whole truth on (OKC, Waco, Flight 800, Vince Foster, Ron Brown). Willy will get away with his crimes here on Earth, but God is not fooled.

Sincerely
11 posted on 12/25/2006 6:29:09 AM PST by ScubieNuc
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To: martin_fierro

Does the dirty nuke man have a name?


12 posted on 12/25/2006 6:29:59 AM PST by Fzob (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Jefferson)
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To: Mr. Brightside
"We did our best with limited resources"

Dana, that's a pantload and YOU KNOW IT!!!!

Jayna was ALL over this deal ,and YOU ignored her like the plague!

13 posted on 12/25/2006 6:30:32 AM PST by Cheapskate ( You got your pitchfork and I got my gun, somthin's got to give !)
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To: Mr. Brightside
For some reason, the FBI does not want to ever find any conspiracies.
14 posted on 12/25/2006 6:31:34 AM PST by CPOSharky (Lib speak: If it ain't broke, fix it til it is.)
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To: martin_fierro
[The Congressional Report] cites several leads the subcommittee believes weren't fully investigated, including:

The FBI originally looked for another suspect it named John Doe 2, even providing a sketch, but abruptly dropped that line of inquiry. The subcommittee concludes that decision was a mistake.

Phone record and witness testimony that persons associated with Middle Eastern terrorism in the Philippines may have had contact with Nichols, and that Nichols took a book about explosives to the Philippines.

Information from a former TV reporter concerning an Iraqi national who was in Oklahoma around the time of the bombing.


What are the chances that this information is going to be pursued now, let alone see the light of day in the SOMA wing of the national media?
15 posted on 12/25/2006 6:31:42 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth (Merry C-H-R-I-S-T-M-A-S to all!)
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To: Fzob

Jose Padilla


16 posted on 12/25/2006 6:32:23 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: JohnG45

I've wondered the same thing.......


17 posted on 12/25/2006 6:32:54 AM PST by proudofthesouth (Mao said that power comes at the point of a rifle; I say FREEDOM does.)
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To: Fzob
Jose Padilla
18 posted on 12/25/2006 6:33:08 AM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: ScubieNuc
--yep--I had a copy of "Others Unknown" practically as it came off the press.

Soldier of Fortune had a long series of articles on all details of the various private investigations , also---

19 posted on 12/25/2006 6:35:11 AM PST by rellimpank (-don't believe anything the MSM states about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: Battle Axe

OKC, TWA-800 just a couple mysteries. Another comittee just concluded Able Danger "Did Not Identify 9/11 Hijackers"

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-intel25dec25,0,3149507.story?coll=la-home-headlines

It seems that the Bush "Justice Dept" by letting Sandy Burglar off the hook with a fine and revolking his Securtiy Clearence for 3 measley years. I am afraid GWB and GHWB are in it knee deep with the Clintons


20 posted on 12/25/2006 6:40:50 AM PST by Rekless01
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To: rellimpank

I bought the book at discount, but was amazed at the information overlooked or hidden. After 9/11 I remembered the intro to the book, talking about OBL. Heart stopping!

Even now, as I think about it, it feels as though a sink-hole opens up in my soul, when you realize the HUGE missed oportunity by the Clintoon Administration to save lives. The first emotion is grief at the lost of life and justice, followed by anger, then helplessness. Helplessness, because you know nothing will be done in this lifetime to punish the former POS POTUS.

I just thank God that I know that he won't escape God's final justice. Without that comfort during the Black years of Clintoon, I think I would have gone mad.

Sincerely


21 posted on 12/25/2006 6:45:18 AM PST by ScubieNuc
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To: Mr. Brightside

Interesting Berger tie in?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1175272/posts


22 posted on 12/25/2006 6:46:49 AM PST by BenLurkin ("The entire remedy is with the people." - W. H. Harrison)
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To: Rekless01

No President gets elected by themselves. There has to be an army of organizers and handlers. Both sides (if there really is two sides) employ alot of the same handlers. It's my conspiratorial mind that believes it's people or groups inside these handler organizations that wield some degree of unseen power.

I know some are pulling out their tin foil hats right now, but I actually believe 9/11 freed up Bush from some of his handlers. Bush used the momemtum of the momemt to actually be daring, and take the fight to the enemy. For that, I give him Kudos.

You KNOW if Gore was President, No troops would have been sent anywhere. In fact, he probably would have apologized for America's bigoted stance in the ME, and abandoned Israel.

I think Bush is still trying to fight the good fight against terrorism (although he's blind on immigration, and the reality of islam..Errr), but this recent firing of Rumsfeld and the Iraq study group looks like the "handlers" are gaining the edge.

Of course none of this is provable, so it just becomes more eye-ball rolling material for my wife and others. 8^(

I will finish this tinfoil rant by saying that in my life, fact HAS been stranger then fiction.


23 posted on 12/25/2006 7:02:25 AM PST by ScubieNuc
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To: martin_fierro

Too bad that in these PC days....we are no supposed to torture Padilla to make him talk....bump


24 posted on 12/25/2006 7:16:04 AM PST by B.O. Plenty (liberalism, abortions and islam are terminal)
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To: ScubieNuc

You're talking about permanent government types. People Like Richard Clark and Jamie Gorelick fit into that category.

Incidentally Clark was one of those who felt that foreign connections to OKC were overlooked.


25 posted on 12/25/2006 7:24:30 AM PST by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
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To: Mr. Brightside

Now let's investigate the execution that occurred at warp speed in comparison with any other death sentence.


26 posted on 12/25/2006 7:24:58 AM PST by NonValueAdded (Prayers for our patriot brother, 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub, now more than ever my FRiends.)
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To: WorkingClassFilth
What are the chances that this information is going to be pursued now, let alone see the light of day in the SOMA wing of the national media?

I've got your answer. The article is from Yahoo, which is MSM, and not WND. Do you notice the release date? Why, it's Christmas Day. You could stage a military coup today and a lot of people wouldn't know until after New Year's.

27 posted on 12/25/2006 7:26:22 AM PST by Hardastarboard (Hey! What happened to my tagline?)
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To: Mr. Brightside; All

Just one month brfore the bobing:

"The Wall" was a policy that virtually guaranteed intelligence failure, and the March 1995 memo was its first building block, a harbinger of the further institutionalizing of the wall that would come, from Gorelick, only a few months later.


28 posted on 12/25/2006 7:43:29 AM PST by Solamente (Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out...)
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To: Rekless01

The big conspiracy theory now is that 9-11 was an inside job perpetrated by Republicans. It's so egregious that it makes the suspicion of any conspiracy repellent. But I curious. Does any one know if the fuel tanks of all the 747's flying today have be reconfigured, rewired or re-outfitted as a result of the conclusion of the TWA-800 investigation?


29 posted on 12/25/2006 7:43:53 AM PST by carola
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To: carola

I used to be a better proofreader.


30 posted on 12/25/2006 7:45:13 AM PST by carola
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To: Mr. Brightside

I seem to recall a connection between the prison system regarding Timothy Mcveigh and Chandra Levy. I will always believe she died because she discovered some kind of information that made her a threat. That last phone conversation she had with her aunt gave the biggest clue IMHO.


31 posted on 12/25/2006 8:14:52 AM PST by tippytoes
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To: JohnG45
How was it that Timothy McVeigh was put to death so quickly?

That has never ever made sense. Especially with so many unanswered questions.

32 posted on 12/25/2006 8:20:10 AM PST by isthisnickcool (If you can't light a fire in the vacuum of space what's the deal with the Sun?)
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To: Hardastarboard
Today is the day the MSM usually releases news with actual truth and investigation in it. Since they assume few will be watching/reading the news. These stories never get repeated and would quickly die if not for the blogosphere. Though, as congress has long since recessed for the year, the material for this story was available for a while, yet is only now reported.

The MSM and the left assume most people have short memories and no sense of history. Unfortunately, for at least 50% of America, they may be correct. The ones who vote for the current incarnation of the Democratic Party have no memory, sense of history, rationality, and seem more interested in the next episode of "Desperate Housewives" than in defending America and her allies from the Islamofascists.
33 posted on 12/25/2006 8:22:55 AM PST by M1Tanker (Proven Daily: Modern "progressive" liberalism is just National Socialism without the "twisted cross")
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To: isthisnickcool

This whole investigation of the investigation is bullshit in itself.
They didn't even investigate the correct aspects of the case itself.
If you haven't done it yet. Read Jayna Davis's book "The Third Terrorist"
There is a connection between Iraqi and possible Al Queda.

Even Rhobachers investigation is a huge white wash.

Pretty funny when they let the results of the report come out on Christmas holiday when people aren't even paying attention to the news.
This is a huge goverment cover up, I believe, that trancends both parties.For what reason I don't know.


34 posted on 12/25/2006 8:39:15 AM PST by TShaunK
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To: Mr. Brightside

Will the Bush DOJ reopen the OKC investigation? Of course not.


35 posted on 12/25/2006 8:48:34 AM PST by Lexington Green (Medical Marijuana - - When ''Compassionate Conservative'' is an oxymoron.)
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To: isthisnickcool

--he refused all appeals---


36 posted on 12/25/2006 8:48:47 AM PST by rellimpank (-don't believe anything the MSM states about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: tippytoes
I seem to recall a connection between the prison system regarding Timothy Mcveigh and Chandra Levy. I will always believe she died because she discovered some kind of information that made her a threat. That last phone conversation she had with her aunt gave the biggest clue IMHO.

I agree. And her congressman boyfriend was on the house intelligence committee, right? She probably asked him about it and he mentioned it to others.

What is the story about her conversation with her aunt? I never heard about it.

37 posted on 12/25/2006 9:01:37 AM PST by ladyjane
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To: rellimpank
--he refused all appeals---

There are plenty of people on death row who have refused appeals but that never stopped outside agencies that simply oppose the death penalty to file an appeal with some friendly judge which continues to delay and delay and delay the proceedings. That did not happen in this case. Why?

38 posted on 12/25/2006 9:15:20 AM PST by JohnG45
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To: Lexington Green

"Will the Bush DOJ reopen the OKC investigation? Of course not."

The government's main objective is to protect the government. All dirt is swept under the carpet to keep the tax peons sending in a third of their paychecks to keep the leaches in office. We will be amazed when Jesus returns and we hear what really was going on while we were watching football and trudging off to work for the various taxing entities till May 25 each year.


39 posted on 12/25/2006 9:28:05 AM PST by kittymyrib
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To: JohnG45
--he was allegedly from the right wing of the political spectrum.

The left wing of course was glad to have him dead so the facts about any possible foreign involvement or the possible FBI-ATF foreknowledge of the plot could be more easily suppressed--

40 posted on 12/25/2006 9:34:22 AM PST by rellimpank (-don't believe anything the MSM states about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: cripplecreek

Yeah, I'd agree with that.

Those types are lifers, whereas Presidents and administrations come and go. I certainly don't have all the dots connected to point a finger at any one group or person, but I most certainly know that more goes on behind the scenes then most people realize.

I should clarify some of my thoughts, before "moonbat" monikers start following my posts around. One, a conspiracy is simply an organized lie. Merriam-Webster says this about conspire...to join in a secret agreement to do an unlawful or wrongful act or an act which becomes unlawful as a result of the secret agreement. Anyone who doesn't think that people and groups of people in our multifaceted government lie to the general public on a daily basis are.....clueless.

The degree of the majority of conspiracies, I believe, are small. Lies designed to protect friends or punish enemies. However, once someone has the goods on you, which would end your service to the government, you become available to be used by such people to cover up other wrongs.

I know of this on a personal basis. I am not proud of my envolvement, and the end result wasn't life threatening, but it did open my eyes to how easy things can get buried. Now your wondering what the h*77 I'm talking about. Well, here's my little story...

I was in the Navy, stationed on a Nuclear Submarine. I got electrocuted (440 v) while performing maintenance. It just knocked me down, no permanent damage (unless you talk to me wife, but that's another story). However, my DivO wrote me up for Capt. mast for failing to follow proper procedures. I was young and was thinking my Navy life was going down the tubes, when the leading Nuc Senior Chief stepped in and saved me. He told the DivO to write him up as well, because he said that he authorized my work procedures. Needless to say no mast happened, only retraining on safety practices.

After that though the Senior Chief let me know that I owed him, and I felt that I did anyway. I was his "boy." If he wanted coffee (blonde and two sweets) I got it. If he needed extra ice cream, I got it. Clean his uniform, yep, I did it.

Then it happened, I was working the weekend with him, boat tied to the pier, and he was sloshed in the chiefs quarters. I think they had a supply up there, but whatever, that was a no-no. A new ensign getting a tour noticed him and reported him to someone at squadron. He concocked a story and I was one of his witnesses (I lied). He didn't get into trouble, and nobody died, but I felt very compromised.

Now take that situation and put it into any government office, and I can clearly see people lieing over little things that can get them into hawk so that they wind up lieing over bigger things.

Like the joke about "would you sleep with me for 1 dollar. No. Would you sleep with me for 1 million dollars. Yes. Youre a prostitute, it's just now we are negotiating a price." Once you cover something up, youre (I'm) a liar. The size of the coverup is just determining how big of a liar you are willing to be.

Well that felt good. Until, NCIS knocks on my door, then I deny everything. 8^)


41 posted on 12/25/2006 9:34:25 AM PST by ScubieNuc
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save


42 posted on 12/25/2006 10:19:00 AM PST by krunkygirl
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To: rellimpank

McVeigh was vehemently anti-Semitic and was known to be outspoken in his support for the PLO and other ME terrorist groups. Politically, he would fit right in with either Nazis or Red Brigade-type Lefties, with hatred for Israel and the U.S. government being the common enemies providing the tie that binds.


43 posted on 12/25/2006 11:10:50 AM PST by attiladhun2 (Islam is a despotism so vile that it would warm the heart of Orwell's Big Brother)
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To: Hardastarboard

Oh, I noticed the date and byline alright. What I'm asking (rhetorically) is where is this going to be in a month or two. I've also got the answer...nowhere...gonesville...limbo. Of course, the MSM will have given it coverage - of sorts.


44 posted on 12/25/2006 2:35:51 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth (Merry C-H-R-I-S-T-M-A-S to all!)
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To: TShaunK
"Even Rhobachers investigation is a huge white wash."

As was that supposed effort by that Senatorial turkey from Missouri and the Senatorial turkey from Pennsylvania!!!

Even the Democrat lawyer in the impeachment mess treated Jayna Davis with great respect. Everybody has either come up dead, or been marginalized.

45 posted on 12/25/2006 3:14:07 PM PST by SierraWasp (For Republicans, the Reagan Conservatism Movement was the LIFE of the Party!!! We need it back!!!)
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To: Mr. Brightside

bump


46 posted on 12/27/2006 7:04:23 PM PST by fso301
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