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No Goode: Congressman's Hateful Comments Demand Response (Liberal attacks on Virgil Goode)
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Posted on 12/25/2006 7:21:42 AM PST by Princip. Conservative

Here we go. Keith Ellison, the first Muslim elected to Congress, has yet to take office, and already the ugliness begins.

Mr. Ellison plans to bring his Koran with him on Jan. 4 when he takes the oath of office. The Koran is the Muslim holy book. If Christians and Jews can bring their Bibles, why shouldn’t Mr. Ellison be able to bring his Koran?

The answer given this week by Virginia Rep. Virgil Goode was simple enough: Because Mr. Goode doesn’t believe in the Koran, Mr. Ellison doesn’t have any right to either. I kid you not.

What could be less American? Or less Christian?

In a letter sent to constituents, Goode wrote: “When I raise my hand to take the oath on Swearing-In Day, I will have the Bible in my other hand. I do not subscribe to using the Koran in any way.”

It gets worse.

“The Muslim representative from Minnesota was elected by the voters of that district, and if American citizens don’t wake up and adopt the Virgil Goode position on immigration, there will likely be many more Muslims elected to office and demanding the use of the Koran.”

More Muslims elected to office? More Muslims seeing our government as representative and fair? Is this a bad thing?

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Susan Estrich, a former Dukakis campaign manager, sinks her fangs into Virgil Goode. So, consider the source.

While I'm not convinced that Congressman Goode handled this perfectly, he raised a very interesting point. Americans don't like Islam and a recent Rasmussen Reports poll found that about 60% of American voters would NEVER vote for a Muslim, right up there with those who wouldn't vote for an atheist.

1 posted on 12/25/2006 7:21:44 AM PST by Princip. Conservative
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To: Princip. Conservative
The Koran, unfortunately, has a provision in it that allows Moslems to lie to non-Moslems.

An oath sworn on the Koran is, of course, worthless to a non-Moslem.

2 posted on 12/25/2006 7:25:18 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Princip. Conservative

If the koran was good enough for mohammed atta, it should be good enough for Mr. Goode. /s


3 posted on 12/25/2006 7:25:21 AM PST by Salvey (ancest)
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To: Princip. Conservative
"The Muslim representative from Minnesota was elected by the voters of that district,"

He was elected because the MSM in that town(Minneapolis Star and sickle) refused to tell the people of his back ground. Namely, extreme antisemitism, support of cop killers and a generally extremist history. Had they known he would not of been elected even in this district.
4 posted on 12/25/2006 7:25:26 AM PST by bilhosty (to hell with ABCNNBCBS)
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To: Princip. Conservative

Folks like Estrich need to get their eyes checked.
They seem to think that Virgil Goode is George Allen.
They're going to be suprised when no apology or equivocation is
forthcoming after their whining about "Islamophobia".


5 posted on 12/25/2006 7:26:42 AM PST by VOA
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To: Princip. Conservative

So, if this concept applies that a representative can take the oath on any book he/she wishes...

Does that include Wicca?

or

Mein Kampf?

or maybe Mad Magazine.


6 posted on 12/25/2006 7:31:40 AM PST by Basheva
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To: bilhosty

It is frightening how much power the LSM still has.

But in the end, given the many alternatives that now exist to the LSM, you have to blame our fellow Americans for actually believing what they, in this case, didn't read in the LSM and putting us all in extreme danger. Last month they voted in many who will be even more dangerous than Ellison.


7 posted on 12/25/2006 7:32:03 AM PST by Let's Roll ("...given the choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor - you will have war"- W.Churchill)
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To: Princip. Conservative

Actually the fact that Ellison feels the need to be sworn in on any book is interesting due to the fact that it isn't required or even common as far as I can tell.


8 posted on 12/25/2006 7:33:32 AM PST by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
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To: Princip. Conservative

Congressman Goode has raised a good point and should stick to it and not back down.


9 posted on 12/25/2006 7:34:32 AM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: Give therapeutic violence a chance!)
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To: Princip. Conservative; All
-Islam, a Religion of Peace®? The Most Damning links...--
10 posted on 12/25/2006 7:36:32 AM PST by backhoe (Just a Merry-Hearted Keyboard PirateBoy, plunderin’ his way across the WWW…)
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To: Princip. Conservative
More Muslims seeing our government as representative and fair? Is this a bad thing?

Our bloated bureaucratic socialistic government in the modern age is barely representative, and often not fair. That fact aside, I seriously doubt that many Muslims are ever going to see it as representative and fair.

11 posted on 12/25/2006 7:36:50 AM PST by Hardastarboard (Hey! What happened to my tagline?)
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To: Princip. Conservative

When the public is seeing all the world conflicts involving islamists it's not hard to understand why the majority have a problem with muslims. Secondly, their reactions to 9-11 and refusal to condemn the terrorists just adds to their problems..


12 posted on 12/25/2006 7:38:32 AM PST by vietvet67
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To: Princip. Conservative
Talk of bigotry is masking the issue here, on both the ill-meaning liberal side and even the good-meaning conservative side. Muslims need to be forced to take a stand. If they prefer Islam and all it's baggage to the American way of life then they need to go to a muslim country (and they can take liberals with them!). If they are American first and are wishing to stay in this country as Americans then they absolutely must stand up against radical Islam, even if they risk retribution from the radicals in their midst. And they've got to get thicker skins. Islam as law is incompatible with any version of the American way of life and muslims need to recognize that. We are at war, the enemy is among us and freedom isn't free.
13 posted on 12/25/2006 7:39:02 AM PST by wgflyer (Liberalism is to society what HIV is to the immune system.)
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To: wgflyer

Well said...


15 posted on 12/25/2006 7:41:37 AM PST by vietvet67
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To: Princip. Conservative
Islam is a flawed religion... and by the actions of many of its followers... a death cult. Those of the faith who abstain from the actions of its fanatics... are often silent or even forgiving of the indescriminate bloodletting.

On the day Goode made these comments, I called his office with words of support. I learned all I want to know about Islam on 9/11.

16 posted on 12/25/2006 7:41:57 AM PST by johnny7 ("We took a hell of a beating." -'Vinegar Joe' Stilwell)
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To: Princip. Conservative
>"What could be less American? Or less Christian?"

Well Suzy I'm glad you axed! The answers are is-Slime, and its murder manual the queeranus!

Any other questions should be addressed to Master of the Obvious!


17 posted on 12/25/2006 7:42:50 AM PST by rawcatslyentist (When true genius appears, know him by this sign: all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.)
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I don't think I'd get much work done if I knew somebody in the room was carrying a book that says stuff like:

KORAN commands to kill infidels:

Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. - Sura 2:98

On unbelievers is the curse of Allah. - Sura 2:161

Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. - 2:191

Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme. (different translation: ) Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is God's entirely. - Sura 2:193 and 8:39

Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. - 2:216
(different translation: ) Prescribed for you is fighting, though it is hateful to you.

..... martyrs.... Enter heaven - Surah 3:140-43

If you should die or be killed in the cause of Allah, His mercy and forgiveness would surely be better than all they riches they amass. If you should die or be killed, before Him you shall all be gathered. - 3:157-8

You must not think that those who were slain in the cause of Allah are dead. They are alive, and well-provided for by their Lord. - Surah 3:169-71

Let those fight in the cause of God who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fights in the cause of God, whether he is slain or victorious, soon we shall give him a great reward. - Surah 4:74

Those who believe fight in the cause of God, and those who reject faith fight in the cause of evil. - 4:76

But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever you find them. - 4:89

Therefore, we stirred among them enmity and hatred, which shall endure till the Day of Resurrection, when Allah will declare to them all that they have done. - 5:14

O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people. - 5:54

Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme - 8:39

O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there are 20 steadfast men among you, they shall vanquish 200; and if there are a hundred, they shall rout a thousand unbelievers, for they are devoid of understanding. - 8:65

It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he has made slaughter in the land. - 8:67

Allah will humble the unbelievers. Allah and His apostle are free from obligations to idol-worshipers. Proclaim a woeful punishment to the unbelievers. - 9:2-3

When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. - 9:5

Believers! Know that idolators are unclean. - 9:28

Fight those who believe neither in God nor the Last Day, nor what has been forbidden by God and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are People of the Book, until they pay the tribute and have been humbled. - 9:29 (another source: ) The unbelievers are impure and their abode is hell. (another source: ) Humiliate the non-Muslims to such an extent that they surrender and pay tribute.

Whether unarmed or well-equipped, march on and fight for the cause of Allah, with your wealth and your persons. - 9:41

O Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites. Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end. - 9:73

Allah has purchased of their faithful lives and worldly goods, and in return has promised them the Garden. They will fight for His cause, kill and be killed. - 9:111

Fight unbelievers who are near to you. 9:123 (different translation:
Believers! Make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Let them find harshness in you. (another source: ) Ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers....

As for those who are slain in the cause of Allah, He will not allow their works to perish. He will vouchsafe them guidance and ennoble their state; He will admit them to the Paradise He has made known to them. - 10:4-15

Allah has cursed the unbelievers and proposed for them a blazing hell. - 33:60

Unbelievers are enemies of Allah and they will roast in hell. - 41:14

When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks, then when you have made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds, then set them free, either by grace or ransom, until the war lays down its burdens. - 47:4
(different translation: ) When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield, strike off their heads, and when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly.

Those who are slain in the way of Allah - he will never let their deeds be lost. Soon will he guide them and improve their condition, and admit them to the Garden, which he has announced for them. - 47:5

Muslims are harsh against the unbelievers, merciful to one another. - 48:25

Muhammad is Allah's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another. Through them, Allah seeks to enrage the unbelievers. - 48:29

Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal sternly with them. Hell shall be their home, evil their fate. - 66:9

The unbelievers among the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn forever in the fire of hell. They are the vilest of all creatures. - 98:51

Fight them so that Allah may punish them at your hands, and put them to shame. (verse cited in Newsweek 2/11/02)

Source: http://www.wvinter.net/~haught/Koran.html


18 posted on 12/25/2006 7:43:10 AM PST by KarinG1 (Opinions expressed in this post are my own and do not necessarily represent those of sane people.)
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To: Basheva
So, if this concept applies that a representative can take the oath on any book he/she wishes...

Yes.

Using a Bible to swear upon is a tradition, not a provision.

One could affirm on Margaret Murray's "God of the Witches", an Empire Strikes Back DVD, or nothing at all (as Theodore Roosevelt did).

19 posted on 12/25/2006 7:44:44 AM PST by Wormwood (I'm with you in Rockland)
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To: Wormwood

Thank you, Wormwood....but my question was rhetorical.

The fault is mine, I didn't make that clear.


20 posted on 12/25/2006 7:46:57 AM PST by Basheva
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To: muawiyah

How many Senators' and Representatives' oaths are worthless no matter what they swear upon?


21 posted on 12/25/2006 7:51:30 AM PST by DeaconBenjamin2
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To: Basheva

"So, if this concept applies that a representative can take the oath on any book he/she wishes...

Does that include Wicca?

or

Mein Kampf?

or maybe Mad Magazine."

LOL - Where does it stop??


22 posted on 12/25/2006 7:53:11 AM PST by Princip. Conservative
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To: Princip. Conservative

How long before ellison demands he be called by his muslim name???


23 posted on 12/25/2006 7:55:16 AM PST by hoosierboy (I am not a gun nut, I am a firearm enthusiast!!!)
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To: Rummyfan

"Congressman Goode has raised a good point and should stick to it and not back down."

Agreed. I don't think the liberals are going to make much hay from this one.


24 posted on 12/25/2006 7:56:20 AM PST by Princip. Conservative
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To: bilhosty

"He was elected because the MSM in that town(Minneapolis Star and sickle) refused to tell the people of his back ground. Namely, extreme antisemitism, support of cop killers and a generally extremist history. Had they known he would not of been elected even in this district."

I'm sure this is true, and I really can't completely condemn Minnesota voters. Don't forget that ultra-conservative Republican Michelle Bachmann was elected there in this very austere, anti-Republican environment and GOP Governor Tim Pawlenty won narrowly, too.


25 posted on 12/25/2006 7:58:11 AM PST by Princip. Conservative
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To: muawiyah

But truthfully, how many congressmen lie when they put their hand on the Bible? To me the point is moot except that it may raise awareness that the Koran encourages Muslims to lie to infidels.


26 posted on 12/25/2006 7:58:13 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Let's Roll

The LSM is feeling its oats. It admits that it has created Barack Obama from whole cloth simply so it can be able to say it is so powerful it can create and manufacture a presidential candidate pretty much out of thin air and get him (or her) elected president. Barack Obama is a media creation, pure and simple. He was an obscure marxist in the Illinois state legislature before the media discovered him; and when it did discover him, it immediately announced to the world: Just wait and see what we can do!


27 posted on 12/25/2006 7:58:17 AM PST by ought-six ("Give me liberty, or give me death!")
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To: Wormwood

"Using a Bible to swear upon is a tradition, not a provision.

One could affirm on Margaret Murray's "God of the Witches", an Empire Strikes Back DVD, or nothing at all (as Theodore Roosevelt did)."

Another way of looking at it is would a Muslim country allow a popularly elected official to be sworn in on a BIBLE???? I don't think so.


28 posted on 12/25/2006 8:00:47 AM PST by Princip. Conservative
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To: Rummyfan

(Resisting the urge to go all-caps flamer)

When in the world is someone going to point out that Keith Ellison is a member of Louis Farrakhan's Nation of Islam!!?

That NOI is not recognized as truly Muslim by `mainstream' Muslims but seen rather as a nutty cult!!?

That Keith Ellison did NOT have to adopt a completely Arab Muslim name as if he had been a convert to `true' Islam!!

But... the `real Muslims' know a stalking-horse when they see one, and CAIR and the other pro-terrorist groups have fallen totally silent on the issue of Keith Ellison's "Muslimness"!

Comments? Questions? Anyone?? Is anyone even listening?

Help...I'm growing hoarse...can't go on...no hope..(gasp)


29 posted on 12/25/2006 8:00:59 AM PST by elcid1970
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To: Princip. Conservative

Anyone Susan Estrich demonizes can only be good for America. Virgil Goode represents a strong current in American politics. Like Ronald Reagan, he was a loyal American who happened to be a Democrat. Because the Democrat party has increasingly placed party based on socialist ideology before loyalty to God and country, he left the Democrat party. Or as Ronald Reagan said "I didn't leave the Democrat party, it left me." Goode needs to keep reminding voters that the Democrat allegiance to multiculturalism has and will include attempts to appease and even aid moslem militants. A candid answer to who are America's real enemies by Vermont's senators Leaky Leahy and Bernie "the Communist" Sanders would be conservative Republicans, not Islamic Jihadists. A fortunate circumstance for conservative Republicans would be the nomination of Barak "Hussein" Obama (or as mush-brained Teddy Kennedy called him, "Osama Obama") to head the Democrat ticket. Sharing a name with the Butcher of Baghdad will not endear him to most voters.


30 posted on 12/25/2006 8:01:46 AM PST by Combat_Liberalism
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To: Princip. Conservative

Goode has zero reason to appologize for telling the truth.

The "outrage" of the left is 100% pure fakery to obtain campaign monies for 2008.

The fact is we are not being honest about the fact that radical islam is the dominant, majority, mainstream believer form of that faith.

I am curious where are the other REALY players today like Donna Brazile, Podesta, Pineta, and the rest of the clintonistas.


31 posted on 12/25/2006 8:02:00 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
As they are sworn in Congress-critters don't put their hands on anything at all. Never have.

The dispute is over the photo ops that take place after the swearing in ceremony.

Now, do they lie? Sure, after all they are Congress-critters.

My only question would be why this particular Congress-critter wants to have a photo taken showing me that, Fur Shur, he intends to lie to me.

That's rather stupid doncha' think.

32 posted on 12/25/2006 8:04:38 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Princip. Conservative
Genesis 16:12 "And he will be a wild ass of a man; His hand will be against everyone, And everyone's hand, against him; And he will settle down opposite all his brothers."

No one has mentioned the real origin of Islam which is Ishmael the son of Abraham conceived through his servant. Abraham and Sarah did not believe God's promise which was that Sarah would bare a son, Isaac. So Sarah convinces Abraham to sleep with the servant. Ishmael was born and Ishmael typifies the flesh. And Genesis 16:12 speaks of the type if man Ishmael is. The Koran speaks of their father Abraham, but the Islamic heretics fail to realize that they are descendants of the flesh!
33 posted on 12/25/2006 8:05:58 AM PST by klimeckg ("The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men.")
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To: Basheva
Basheva, Congress-critters are sworn in without Bibles, etc.

They just stand there.

Did you imagine it to be otherwise?

34 posted on 12/25/2006 8:06:53 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Princip. Conservative

One of the most disturbing facts about Ellison being a muslim is that every muslim in America whom I ever ever seen or heard has proclaimed allegiance to Islam above all else. To that end, I question Ellison's commitment to the United States and his willingness to work in our best interest.

Plus his grandstanding photo opp show 'n tell with the Koran also speaks to his true allegiances. This guy worries me the more I learn about him.


35 posted on 12/25/2006 8:14:41 AM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: Princip. Conservative
EFF all Muslims Slime.....

and that goes for Barack Hussein Obama(and other pretend christians) and the camel he rode in on.....Goode for President '08

36 posted on 12/25/2006 8:26:16 AM PST by Vaquero (Moderate Islam is Radical Islams Trojan horse in the West)
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To: elcid1970

I have pointed out this fact in several of these Posts.

Farrakhans Muslims are no more Muslims than I am. They are racial bigots espousing the Islamic religion because it excuses their hatreds and makes their bigotry valid. At least to them.

Farrakhan is to Islam as the KKK is to Christianity..


37 posted on 12/25/2006 8:28:45 AM PST by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: Princip. Conservative

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1758295/posts


38 posted on 12/25/2006 8:36:54 AM PST by BenLurkin ("The entire remedy is with the people." - W. H. Harrison)
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To: muawiyah

Exactly- Most everything in the Koran goes directly against the constitution of this country- Ellison is in OUR country NOT his- He abides by the wishes of OUR citizens- NOT the Muslim comunity! If He can't stand before OUR God and swear an oath or affirmation & be bound by our God's oat- then he has NO business serving! Ellison does NOT have to beleive in our God- but he best believe WE take our God and oaths to Him VERY seriously!!! Hopefully Goode will tell estrich to take a flying leap!!! http://sacredscoop.com


39 posted on 12/25/2006 8:38:11 AM PST by CottShop
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To: VOA

Talk about deception! I hope God opens the eyes of these Estrichy type people and soon. They're far more dangerous than Muslims here, in my opinion.


40 posted on 12/25/2006 8:40:42 AM PST by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: klimeckg

Exactly! And there's been war and tumult in the region ever since. Disobedience and disbelief in God caused this whole mess. How important is it to obey God's commands? See what happens when you DON'T.


41 posted on 12/25/2006 8:45:00 AM PST by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: bilhosty
Had they known he would not of been elected even in this district.

Hate to break it to you but the 5th district has no limit when it comes to electing insane leftist kooks. It is comprised of Minneapolis and inner-ring western suburbs. You should check out the Minneapolis city council and Mayor's office. Everyone in Minneapolis government is a certifiable leftist militant. Fidel Castro would get 70% in this district. Pol Pot would get 80%.

I live in a very Lavender neighborhood on the west end of the district. The Lavender houses on my block were 100% identifiable by the Amy Klobuchar signs in the yard. When you combine that with the urban poverty pimping downtown, no rational candidate would ever have a chance. Ellison destroyed several hard core libs in the primary because those candidates don’t really hate their country so much.

42 posted on 12/25/2006 8:47:43 AM PST by Minn
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To: Princip. Conservative

Yes Yes Yes without a doubt it is and would be a bad, bad, bad, bad, bad thing. What is wrong with these people?


43 posted on 12/25/2006 8:51:09 AM PST by vpintheak (Like a muddied spring or a polluted well is a righteous man who gives way to the wicked)
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To: Princip. Conservative
Another way of looking at it is would a Muslim country allow a popularly elected official to be sworn in on a BIBLE???? I don't think so.

Of course not.

That's because OUR secular government, built upon the Rule of Law, is stronger than any feeble theocracy.

44 posted on 12/25/2006 8:57:17 AM PST by Wormwood (I'm with you in Rockland)
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To: Wormwood

Ah, Wormwood. How are things with your dear cousin Screwtape this holiday season?


45 posted on 12/25/2006 9:01:13 AM PST by JCEccles
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To: JCEccles

I'm off the clock until New Years Eve. Union regulations.


46 posted on 12/25/2006 9:02:17 AM PST by Wormwood (I'm with you in Rockland)
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To: Princip. Conservative

Goode should not apologize. The knives are coming out, and the MSM/Dims are going to force him to apologize. The Congressman should hold his ground.


47 posted on 12/25/2006 9:04:28 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Why can't Republicans stand up to Democrats like they do to terrorists?)
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To: Basheva
or maybe Mad Magazine.

LOL. But it's Cheap!

48 posted on 12/25/2006 9:06:35 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Why can't Republicans stand up to Democrats like they do to terrorists?)
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To: CottShop
The Constitution specifies there be no religious test for public office.

The clause was written for the purpose of allowing Quakers, who do not swear, to serve in government. Jews also take advantage of it, as do Unitarians, members of various dissenter groups, Orthodox Christians, atheists, Moslems, Buddhists, Hindus and so forth.

The history of the clause is imbedded in the concepts adopted in the Treaty of Westphalia.

49 posted on 12/25/2006 9:09:46 AM PST by muawiyah
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