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Bipartisan Effort to Draft Immigration Bill
NY Times ^ | 12/26/2006 | By RACHEL L. SWARNS

Posted on 12/25/2006 6:36:59 PM PST by Chesner

WASHINGTON, Dec. 25 — Counting on the support of the new Democratic majority in Congress, Democratic lawmakers and their Republican allies are working on measures that could place millions of illegal immigrants on a more direct path to citizenship than would a bill that the Senate passed in the spring.

The lawmakers are considering abandoning a requirement in the Senate bill that would compel several million illegal immigrants to leave the United States before becoming eligible to apply for citizenship.

The lawmakers are also considering denying financing for 700 miles of fencing along the border with Mexico, a law championed by Republicans that passed with significant Democratic support.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; atzlan; bushamnesty; crimaliens; illegalaliens; illegalswin; immigrantlist; immigration; invasionusa; itsallover; mccain; reconquista
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1 posted on 12/25/2006 6:37:02 PM PST by Chesner
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To: Chesner
Amerika, it is over no borders no peace, this government has been hijacked by do nothing republicans and commie democRats.
2 posted on 12/25/2006 6:42:14 PM PST by boomop1 (there you go again)
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To: Chesner

Should all now be shocked at this?
Did we REALLY expect anything else?
Time will tell, but I am not very upbeat; just glad I am old enough to be pushing up daisies when the XYZ nationals that despise the US walk on this land freely after milking every conceivable benefit from the taxpayers.
And then, who knows how many generations from now, are conquered by another nation as productive and creative as the US has been from birth, because 'they' won't be able to even feed themselves.


3 posted on 12/25/2006 6:43:21 PM PST by elpinta (KALIFORNIA: the Environmentally Correct Litigious State)
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To: boomop1

I have no intent to give up. I don't like it but I'm still a constituent and I still have a voice.


4 posted on 12/25/2006 6:44:45 PM PST by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
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To: Chesner

The Federales have cheapened the currency; now, they cheapen the law and debase the value of citizenship. No wonder so many people don't care any more...even to bother with voting.


5 posted on 12/25/2006 6:45:25 PM PST by rabscuttle385 (Sic Semper Tyrannis * Allen for U.S. Senate in '08)
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To: elpinta

BUMP to what you wrote. Especially the pushing daisies part. I feel badly for the folks today that will feel the brunt of this.


6 posted on 12/25/2006 6:46:09 PM PST by upchuck (How to win the WOT? Simple: set our rules of engagement to at least match those of our enemy.)
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To: Bahbah; Mo1

PING


7 posted on 12/25/2006 6:47:01 PM PST by Txsleuth (Bolton/Cheney (that would be Lynne) 08)
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To: Chesner

Translation - Republicans cave and Dems get 12 million new voters.


8 posted on 12/25/2006 6:50:06 PM PST by airborne (HAPPY BIRTHDAY JESUS!)
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To: Chesner

Amnesty is repulsive enough but what's with this weird obsession to make it possible for illegal alien maggots to become citizens? Their anchor babies are citizens. Isn't that enough? GW let these illegals overrun our borders the last 6 years.


9 posted on 12/25/2006 6:50:26 PM PST by dennisw
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To: Chesner
Statement: "Bipartisan Effort to Draft Immigration Bill"

Response: However the final bill reads it will inflict the maximum amount of harm short of actual shooting.

10 posted on 12/25/2006 6:52:36 PM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Chesner
The major lawmakers drafting the legislation include Senators Edward M. Kennedy, Democrat of Massachusetts, and John McCain, Republican of Arizona, along with Representatives Jeff Flake, Republican of Arizona, and Luis V. Gutierrez, Democrat of Illinois. The four met this month, and their staffs have begun working on a bill.

Disgusting but not surprising. What WILL be entertaining however is if McCain wins the GOP nomination and is against Hitlery. Those who condemn him now will be singing his praises later on. Power is seductive for bots.

11 posted on 12/25/2006 6:55:10 PM PST by KantianBurke
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To: upchuck

Don't give up then. Stay in there and fight for your children and grandchildren, and your country. It ain't over till it's over. There is another election in '08. We just have to be loud. The numbers are on our side. If we stand united, we can change course.


13 posted on 12/25/2006 6:55:47 PM PST by maxter
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To: boomop1

Amerika, it is over no borders no peace, this government has been hijacked by do nothing republicans and commie democRats.

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Not hijacked my friend. We turned it over to them in the last election. We are getting what we deserve.


14 posted on 12/25/2006 6:56:26 PM PST by photodawg
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To: Chesner

The House Republicans really kicked Sensenbrenners butt. I guess they blame him for losing the House with his get tough immigration bill.


15 posted on 12/25/2006 6:57:59 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: cripplecreek

Agree, we have to fight this by staying active and writing letters to politicians and newspapers. Tell them we value citizenship, not turning illegal welfare mouths into Democrat voters. Otherwise, we may need another American war of independance to get a government run by patriots.


16 posted on 12/25/2006 6:59:13 PM PST by RicocheT
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To: Chesner

The most we can hope for is one Senator to have the backbone to put a 'hold' on any amnesty bill.

I don't think we have any, however. None did it last year when the bill came up.


17 posted on 12/25/2006 6:59:43 PM PST by TomGuy
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Another sickening thought:

An 'undocumented' person that comes here now and then to make a buck is one thing, even when truly illegal.

Another thing is when entire nations export their poverty and their crime on purpose, knowing the US system, the anchor baby racket, and every public service they can milk, and then manage to find allies amongst US politicians!

Collectively, our government is complicit, and the fact that most politicians are 'of age' and their families are 'set' regardless is probably part of the problem: they will be 'elite' and well funded regardless, we can be sure of that.

Any challenges to my thoughts?
Can it be another explanation for the ongoing corrupt behavior of our collective 'representatives' but the above?
It really is, as said before many times, a matter of 'following the money' now and (mostly) later, for the elite generation will fare very well regardless of what happens to the 'people' that actually has and will continue to work for a living (and of course, to support the free-loaders).


19 posted on 12/25/2006 6:59:56 PM PST by elpinta (KALIFORNIA: the Environmentally Correct Litigious State)
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To: airborne

And thats what I can't seem to understand-why the GOP is dead set on making itself the permanent minority party in this country.
Latinos voted almost 70% Dem in November.Nothing I see on the horizon is going to change that.
So why the death wish among Bush,Rove and cronies?


20 posted on 12/25/2006 7:01:06 PM PST by Riverman94610
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To: photodawg; Dane
Not hijacked my friend. We turned it over to them in the last election. We are getting what we deserve.

We (FR people) didn't turn it over. Except for Dane and Beans and a few others, there was no strong support for illegals at FR.

21 posted on 12/25/2006 7:03:57 PM PST by LowOiL (Paul wrote, "Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil" (Rom. 12:9))
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To: Txsleuth

Thanks, sleuth. I saw this. Didn't even want to think much about this. We know lots of what's in that "comprehensive" plan and it sickens me.


22 posted on 12/25/2006 7:06:06 PM PST by Bahbah (.Regev, Goldwasser & Shalit, we are praying for you.)
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To: Chesner

Its starting already ,the giving away of America.

Whatever is passed, will the President veto it?

IMO he wont even think twice before signing it.


23 posted on 12/25/2006 7:06:49 PM PST by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: Chesner

This could be the making of a permanent democrat majority. Millions of new voters who will depend on government assistance. The Republicans, who would support this are either crazy, or just paid for by big money contributors while being shortsighted as to where this will end. If this goes the wrong way it will be the end of our country as we know it.


24 posted on 12/25/2006 7:06:56 PM PST by KoRn
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To: TomGuy
"The most we can hope for is one Senator to have the backbone to put a 'hold' on any amnesty bill."

My money would be on Jeff Sessions....the ONLY one who talks common sense.

25 posted on 12/25/2006 7:07:52 PM PST by traditional1
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To: RicocheT

We wouldn't retreat from terrorists and we damned sure better not retreat from democrats.


26 posted on 12/25/2006 7:08:15 PM PST by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
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To: Riverman94610

"So why the death wish among Bush,Rove and cronies?"

See my post 19: I don't think is a death wish, it is with full awareness that they and their families will be fine no matter what, and in fact, they may be 'fatter' by actually doing what they are doing: selling out the US that so many died for.

We need to grasp the concept that the ideals most (I hope) of us believe in are not shared by people in power, be politics, business, or religion: they all dance to a totally different sheet of music.


27 posted on 12/25/2006 7:08:44 PM PST by elpinta (KALIFORNIA: the Environmentally Correct Litigious State)
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To: Chesner
Many politicians in Washington are eager to sell out this country. Corruption, treason, mental illness - whatever their reason, we need people to stand up to them and fight demands for amnesty.

Being illegally in this country should be grounds for never gaining citizenship, but instead so far it has brought forth perks and a sense of entitlement.

28 posted on 12/25/2006 7:11:10 PM PST by Dante3
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To: Bahbah

Yeppers...it is hard to forget that wonderful dissection that Jeff Sessions did of that bill.

I hope that Sessions, Kyl, Cornyn, Coburn, and any of the other GOP that have BRAINS will do something..but, unfortunately, they really ARE the minority now.


29 posted on 12/25/2006 7:12:26 PM PST by Txsleuth (Bolton/Cheney (that would be Lynne) 08)
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To: elpinta

So its more a case of class elitism than loss of political power,the theory being that even if the Dems take over Washington lock,stock and barrell the Bushes,Mc Cains and Brownbacks of the world will still live in luxury with cheap immigrant labor abounding for their friends in high places.


30 posted on 12/25/2006 7:12:46 PM PST by Riverman94610
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To: Dante3

"Being illegally in this country should be grounds for never gaining citizenship, but instead so far it has brought forth perks and a sense of entitlement."

Can't say that any better!!! It is what we are living, sadly.


31 posted on 12/25/2006 7:12:52 PM PST by elpinta (KALIFORNIA: the Environmentally Correct Litigious State)
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To: LowOiL
We (FR people) didn't turn it over. Except for Dane and Beans and a few others, there was no strong support for illegals at FR.


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If it makes you feel better that free republic isn't responsible than knock yourself out. I am referring to conservative republican Americans who wouldn't return republicans to power because they were teaching them a lesson. And yes many freepers are in that number.The result is a democratic congress ready to destroy the country, starting with immigration policy and ending with Iraq and the war on Islam. We have ourselves to thank for this my friend.
32 posted on 12/25/2006 7:13:05 PM PST by photodawg
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To: Chesner

The House Republicans should have compromised when they had a chance. They have only themselves to blame.


33 posted on 12/25/2006 7:15:06 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: Chesner
They are very much out of touch with the voters in this country.

I hope it costs them dearly in 3008.

34 posted on 12/25/2006 7:18:53 PM PST by capt. norm (Liberalism = cowardice disguised as tolerance.)
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To: Riverman94610

"So its more a case of class elitism than loss of political power..."

Mostly, but is deeper than 'cheap labor' as with the wealth they have/get, cheap labor is irrelevant.

Most politicians/elitists have no clue what is like to actually work for a living! And in all reality, if you (not personally you), your family and your close friends have all they need/want, and enough stashed away in 'safe' liquid assets (really safe as the elite knows), why worry about a $200 a week lawn bill, or a $500 one?


35 posted on 12/25/2006 7:18:56 PM PST by elpinta (KALIFORNIA: the Environmentally Correct Litigious State)
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To: traditional1
My money would be on Jeff Sessions....the ONLY one who talks common sense.

Jim Inhofe was outspoken about this before Sessions and wrote the best immigration bill that came out of the house or senate. Not one other senator would sign on to it. I hope Sessions stands his ground, he got the senate bill shot down.

You got to admit, this open border minority has cajones the size of sombreros to push through something even worse than the last senate bill. The "DEVIL" will be in the details of that bugger, you can bet.

Feliz Navidad, ya'll.

36 posted on 12/25/2006 7:19:31 PM PST by WatchingInAmazement (President DUNCAN HUNTER 2008! http://www.house.gov/hunter/border1.html)
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To: Riverman94610
So why the death wish among Bush,Rove and cronies?

Hopefully it's the start of a conservative revolution!

Make RINO's extinct!

37 posted on 12/25/2006 7:19:33 PM PST by airborne (HAPPY BIRTHDAY JESUS!)
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To: photodawg

Well I hope "they" are happy for teaching the repubs a lesson and not voting or voting 3rd party.
Elections have consequences and pro immigration is one of them. Maybe "they" will learn before 2008 but i doubt it


38 posted on 12/25/2006 7:20:40 PM PST by italianquaker (Democrats its time to fish or cut bait, no more blaming Prez Bush.)
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To: maxter
I've not given up.

I am discouraged that the politicians in Washington DC pay little, if any, attention to what WE want.

There has been poll after poll showing the majority of Americans are against any kind of amnesty plan.

This summer town hall meetings were held all over the place so we could give "feed back" to our elected officials. I attended and I gave my opinion, loud and strong. From what I read, the majority town hall opinion was against any kind of amnesty plan and for border enforcement.

Now, reading this article, it's like all the polls and meetings were for naught. Discouraging.

Sometimes I think it's too late for the America I love.
39 posted on 12/25/2006 7:21:19 PM PST by upchuck (How to win the WOT? Simple: set our rules of engagement to at least match those of our enemy.)
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To: elpinta

Yeah,I hear you.The Bushes,Kennedys,Clintons,Obamas and Pelosis of the world have never had to work at honest hard labor in their lives.
There seems to be this unholy alliance between wealthy Republican"conservatives"and their liberal Dem kindred to make this country a Third World nation.


40 posted on 12/25/2006 7:23:29 PM PST by Riverman94610
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To: upchuck

"Sometimes I think it's too late for the America I love."

As an immigrant, I have this thoughts too FRiend, just hope we are really wrong, because the outcome could be a life just like what I left behind in a 3rd world toilet.


41 posted on 12/25/2006 7:23:54 PM PST by elpinta (KALIFORNIA: the Environmentally Correct Litigious State)
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To: upchuck

I know how you feel. Maybe there is still hope. Many people have commented that they don't know what to do and wish there was some way to organize effectively the opposition to amnesty.


42 posted on 12/25/2006 7:25:02 PM PST by Dante3
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To: Chesner
"...measures that could place millions of illegal immigrants on a more direct path to citizenship..."

I don't think amnesty was what most Americans had in mind when they started talking about "immigration reform." All amnesty is going to do is boost the "poverty rate" in my country and add to the number of people who need "free" healthcare. This isn't a good move. We tried this "path to citizenship" crap back in the 80s and it only made matters worse.

43 posted on 12/25/2006 7:28:43 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (When I was a kid, "global warming" was known as "the weather.")
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To: Chesner

Oh please God have mercy on us.


44 posted on 12/25/2006 7:29:11 PM PST by ckilmer
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To: Chesner

George Bush can go to hell. All the Bushbots who think he is the greatest conservative of all time need to wake up and smell the coffee. Bush and his RINO friends in Congress are conspiring to underenforce the borders in order to increase the illegal alien population. He does not give two craps if his own party becomes a permanent minority. He probably thinks God told him to open the borders.


45 posted on 12/25/2006 7:29:46 PM PST by Holden Magroin (Bush is a traitor to conservatism.)
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To: traditional1
My money would be on Jeff Sessions....the ONLY one who talks common sense.

Glad to see my emails to my representative have paid off. Yes Sessions does seem to be one of the few in the country to hold his ground. Shelby ain't too bad either.

46 posted on 12/25/2006 7:31:33 PM PST by LowOiL (Paul wrote, "Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil" (Rom. 12:9))
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To: Chesner

Thomas Jefferson said citizens have the right to over throw the government, when it no longer represents the will of the people. "ARE WE THERE YET"?


47 posted on 12/25/2006 7:32:40 PM PST by Msgt USMC (Lead, follow, or get the heck outta the way!)
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To: airborne
Any Democrat who believes 12 million new Mexican voters are not going to vote in their own ethnically pure fellows is nuts.

Those guys up in Ms Nancy's district would vote in a real man with real cojones and start bashing the gay crowd for real.

48 posted on 12/25/2006 7:34:50 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: photodawg
who wouldn't return republicans to power because

But you have to get their attention some how.

The GOP has been deaf to the conservative base.

If you vote for the same (GOP), you are only going to get more of the same.

The key is for the House. Do the Dems want to retain it? If the House Dems pass amnesty, they will be out of power in 08. They know that. They may not be as stupid as the Pubbies seem to be. Some House Dems have already indicated that amnesty is NOT a done-deal, even though GW hopes it is.
49 posted on 12/25/2006 7:35:16 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: RicocheT
Otherwise, we may need another American war of independance to get a government run by patriots.

IMHO, unfortunately, you may be right.

This is something I've thought about a lot and mentioned a little bit here on FR. I call it the Second American Revolution.

I'm convinced there's enough discontent out here in flyover country that this may have legs. But I wonder what will start it. And when will it start. And what form it will take.

I pray that whenever and however it starts that it is bloodless.

50 posted on 12/25/2006 7:36:20 PM PST by upchuck (How to win the WOT? Simple: set our rules of engagement to at least match those of our enemy.)
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