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Ford disagreed with Bush on invading Iraq (Hey Woody, Who Cares?)
MSNBC ^ | 12/27/2006 | Bob Woodward/WP

Posted on 12/27/2006 7:53:39 PM PST by tobyhill

Former president Gerald R. Ford said in an embargoed interview in July 2004 that the Iraq war was not justified. "I don't think I would have gone to war," he said a little more than a year after President Bush had launched the invasion advocated and carried out by prominent veterans of Ford's own administration.

In a four-hour conversation at his house in Beaver Creek, Colo., Ford "very strongly" disagreed with the current president's justifications for invading Iraq and said he would have pushed alternatives, such as sanctions, much more vigorously. In the tape-recorded interview, Ford was critical not only of Bush but also of Vice President Cheney — Ford's White House chief of staff — and then-Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, who served as Ford's chief of staff and then his Pentagon chief.

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1 posted on 12/27/2006 7:53:41 PM PST by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

Ford also spent alot of time disagreeing with Reagan. He was the epitome of a moderate. So be it. A good man nonetheless.


2 posted on 12/27/2006 7:55:44 PM PST by pissant
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To: tobyhill
Yeah, sure, and he interviewed Casey when he was already in a coma . . . he waited to publish this until Ford was no longer around to contradict him.

Don't know why anybody heeds a word this Woodward guy says. He had his glory days back in the 70s, and he keeps trying and trying to get them back.

3 posted on 12/27/2006 7:55:46 PM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: tobyhill

I also understand that Gerald Ford had some "strong" opinions about Hillary Clinton.


4 posted on 12/27/2006 7:56:10 PM PST by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
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To: tobyhill

Did Woodward publish this "quote" BEFORE Ford died?
Woodward has been accused before - of putting words into a dead man's mouth.

Semper Fi


5 posted on 12/27/2006 7:58:31 PM PST by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: cripplecreek

Now that Ford has passed over, more revelations will be forthcoming.


6 posted on 12/27/2006 7:59:04 PM PST by sine_nomine (Don't let another Bush lose another Iraq war.)
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To: tobyhill

Easy to say after the fact. But since the Dems had turned Ford into a "nobody" years earlier, it would not have made a difference, I guess.


7 posted on 12/27/2006 7:59:31 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: pissant

President Ford was a cut and run Republican just like a lot of the congress now. I just about gagged when I heard the MSM claiming Ford began the ending of the Cold War but Reagan and Bush just happened to finish it.


8 posted on 12/27/2006 8:01:30 PM PST by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: tobyhill
Ford "very strongly" disagreed with the current president's justifications for invading Iraq and said he would have pushed alternatives, such as sanctions, much more vigorously.

Guess he never heard of the oil-for-food scandal...sanctions--yeah, that's the ticket...

9 posted on 12/27/2006 8:01:45 PM PST by pookie18 ([Hillary Rotten] Clinton Happens...as does Dr. Demento Dean, Bela Pelosi & Benedick Durbin!!)
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To: tobyhill

Now that is a crock of shiite if I've heard it. Ford cringed at Reagan's (accurate) depictions of the USSR and the commies.


10 posted on 12/27/2006 8:03:08 PM PST by pissant
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To: tobyhill

LMAO, the MSM is so crazed with Bush hate and enabling of terrorists in Iraq they will turn ANY story into an opportunity to attack Bush and the Iraq effort. I swear, next they'll report on how James Brown was against Iraq. These people are pathological. There is no story they can report without filtering it through the Iraq lense. They're report a freeway car chase with an Iraq War angle.


11 posted on 12/27/2006 8:04:55 PM PST by MikeA (Where's the media to call the elections a "temper tantrum" by America like they did in 1994?)
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To: pookie18
Andrea Mitchell said that when she interviewed Ford a few years back he was incoherent so it's kind of amazing that Woodward was able to get clear cut comments as is being claimed.
12 posted on 12/27/2006 8:05:42 PM PST by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: tobyhill

Woody doesn't have much credibility with me. I'll want to hear the audiotape or see the videotape before I'll buy any of this crap. Only an idiot will take a liberal at their word. A smart person will always demand proof.


13 posted on 12/27/2006 8:07:04 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (When I was a kid, "global warming" was known as "the weather.")
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To: tobyhill
Look how fast Woodward has jumped out into the spotlight to sell his precious book.

What a creep!

14 posted on 12/27/2006 8:07:52 PM PST by capt. norm (Liberalism = cowardice disguised as tolerance.)
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To: tobyhill
Ford was the one that called the shots for the Mayaguez Incident. The Mayaguez Incident was one very large screw up that was reported as a victory but was one dismal and costly failure. I was in the USAF at the time of the incident and over 25 USAF members lost their lives during that incident and were never reported to the mainstream press or the public. The USMC casualties were reported except for the two men left behind to die at the hands of the commies.
15 posted on 12/27/2006 8:09:54 PM PST by vetvetdoug
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To: tobyhill

Gee, Dubya must have lost his WWGFD bracelet.


16 posted on 12/27/2006 8:15:09 PM PST by A_perfect_lady
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To: capt. norm

Woodward could have at least waited until after the funeral. What a creep, indeed!


17 posted on 12/27/2006 8:19:24 PM PST by LibFreeOrDie (L'Chaim!)
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To: tobyhill

He was a Ford, not a Reagan.


18 posted on 12/27/2006 8:22:19 PM PST by advance_copy (Stand for life, or nothing at all)
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To: tobyhill

The things about Ford I remember most were his Sphinxian silence when the Democrat Congress cut off military aid to the Republic of Viet Nam, and the evacuation of Saigon, and the desertion of people who trusted us, on his watch.


19 posted on 12/27/2006 8:27:36 PM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: AnAmericanMother
he waited to publish this until Ford was no longer around to contradict him.

And then he wasted no time in getting it out. Less than 24 hours after Ford passed away.

Liberals are reprehensible.

20 posted on 12/27/2006 8:31:16 PM PST by Allegra (Vote Dulcie / Finbar 2008)
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To: tobyhill
I'm sorry he's dead--but this guy was never a master of timing. The essential question of his presidency was not that he pardoned Nixon but WHEN he did it. Had it done it, even on the eve of Jimmy Carter's inauguration, it all would have been the same. Doing it during a Presidential election was foolhardy. And we all know what happens to fools, especially Republican ones.
21 posted on 12/27/2006 8:33:17 PM PST by MHT
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To: tobyhill
President Ford was a cut and run Republican just like a lot of the congress now

I like the former President and as I have read he was hawk during the Viet Nam 60's. I don't agree with these views, if they are indeed his though. But, until I hear more, I wouldn't classify him as a cut and run Republican. I would be more likely to classify him as someone whose world view stopped at the Cold War.

22 posted on 12/27/2006 8:33:51 PM PST by Dolphy
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To: tobyhill
Former president Gerald R. Ford said in an embargoed interview..

Yeah, and I've said a lot of stuff too. Big deal. It don't mean a hoot.

23 posted on 12/27/2006 8:43:47 PM PST by ExtremeUnction
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To: AnAmericanMother
Yeah, sure, and he interviewed Casey when he was already in a coma . . . he waited to publish this until Ford was no longer around to contradict him.

I can't remember how Bobcat Goldthwait set up the joke but the punchline was:

"Ummmm...Bob Woodward said that Bill Casey's last word was 'Rosebud.'"

24 posted on 12/27/2006 8:44:28 PM PST by torchthemummy (Romney 2008)
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To: MHT
If memory serves, it was about a month after Ford took office.
25 posted on 12/27/2006 8:45:36 PM PST by Dawnsblood
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To: tobyhill

Ah, yes... leave it to Woodward to continue to put out hit pieces on the administration.


26 posted on 12/27/2006 9:16:13 PM PST by ruschpa
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To: pissant
He was the epitome of a moderate.

Liberal.

27 posted on 12/27/2006 9:23:48 PM PST by nwrep
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To: river rat

He'd better be able to prove it by producing the tape and that tape had better not have 13 minutes missing.


28 posted on 12/27/2006 9:26:21 PM PST by onyx (Phillip Rivers, LT and the San Diego Chargers! WOO-HOO!)
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To: pissant

Woodward is such a classless troll. His timing is truly bad form.


29 posted on 12/27/2006 9:27:25 PM PST by onyx (Phillip Rivers, LT and the San Diego Chargers! WOO-HOO!)
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To: Dolphy

Ford was a bit before my political awarness. I do remember him being a great "Moderate" during the clinton years. RIP


30 posted on 12/27/2006 9:34:25 PM PST by katykelly
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To: tobyhill

"..the ending of the Cold War.."

This is an expression I could never endorse.

The visible cold war may have ended but the reality is that communism was not defeated but went underground and showed up as today's democrat party. We are still in the mutually assured destruction (MAD) mode and, with a guy like Putin with his finger on the nuclear trigger, we'd better stay alert.

In fact, things have only gotten worse - whereas we had to deal with the USSR at one time, we now have our hands full with the Russians and the Muslims.


31 posted on 12/27/2006 10:11:21 PM PST by 353FMG (I never met a liberal I didn't dislike.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
Woody doesn't have much credibility with me. I'll want to hear the audiotape or see the videotape before I'll buy any of this crap

He was on Larry King tonight, and they aired this piece of audio tape. Ford allegedly said in the tape "Given the knowledge that was publicly available at the time, I would have not attacked Iraq, I would have pursued other options...".

I was intrigued by the "publicly available" part and wonder what he said about information on Iraq NOT publicly available. Woodward has the advantage of being to edit his tapes all he wants, and can take statements out of context.

Additionally, I think Woodward's greed is vile. He's working on overtime to cash in before the President's body has even been laid to rest. What a slime.

32 posted on 12/27/2006 10:22:32 PM PST by Cementjungle
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To: tobyhill

I am so tired of Bob Woodard. He thinks we believe every tale he spins. I just wish he would go to CNN and stay there.


33 posted on 12/27/2006 10:27:08 PM PST by fabriclady
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To: tobyhill
Without a full and uncensored transcript of the interview, do we really know in just what context the then 92 year old Ford made some of these remarks?

More of my thoughts at Washington Post: President Ford “Strongly Disagreed” With Iraq War

Given Woodwards strong opposition to President Bush, the War and Republicans in general, I have a difficult time accepting this at full face value.

34 posted on 12/28/2006 12:32:51 AM PST by DakotaRed (Kerry Should Resign!)
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To: tobyhill

This one will likely prove to be a quote out of context. I heard the story today on the radio. The quote has a qualifier that begs for the rest of the thought and what was said.


35 posted on 12/28/2006 12:36:50 AM PST by BJungNan
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To: BJungNan
"Rumsfeld and Cheney and the president made a big mistake in justifying going into the war in Iraq. They put the emphasis on weapons of mass destruction," Ford said. "And now, I've never publicly said I thought they made a mistake, but I felt very strongly it was an error in how they should justify what they were going to do."

I am guessing that Woodward did not take this quote out of context but instead made it up all together.

If a tape of this does exist it needs to be played for all the hear.

36 posted on 12/28/2006 12:44:28 AM PST by trumandogz (Rudy G 2008: The "G" Stands For Gun Grabbing & Gay Lovin.)
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To: pissant

Like Rush always says, Ford came from the Bob Michel "permanent minority" millieu of Republican politics that was in full bloom in the '70s. I don't know if Ford, like Michel, ever got over being the dog under the Democrat table, begging for scraps. A lot of long-time Republicans ended up like that.


37 posted on 12/28/2006 12:53:00 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: 353FMG
The visible cold war may have ended but the reality is that communism was not defeated but went underground and showed up as today's democrat party.

Precisely correct. Additionally, the communists STILL control the State Department.

38 posted on 12/28/2006 12:55:53 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: tobyhill
Ford disagreed with Bush on invading Iraq

The sick and attention driven Woodward could not wait a week, until after the funeral ceremonies to put this information out.

Woodward has been and always will be a stinking clown.

39 posted on 12/28/2006 3:26:45 AM PST by beyond the sea ( All lies and jest, still the man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.)
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To: tobyhill
President Ford was a cut and run Republican

wrong

40 posted on 12/28/2006 3:29:20 AM PST by beyond the sea ( All lies and jest, still the man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.)
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To: tobyhill
Andrea Mitchell said that when she interviewed Ford a few years back he was incoherent

That's odd, because I was watching a very important public figure on tv last night saying that he was speaking to Ford with some others about international affairs when Ford was 91 (two years ago) and this figure said that Ford was very detailed with his questions and very closely involved, cogent, and concise in the conversation.

41 posted on 12/28/2006 3:33:41 AM PST by beyond the sea ( All lies and jest, still the man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.)
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To: capt. norm
Look how fast Woodward has jumped out into the spotlight to sell his precious book. What a creep!

The sick and attention driven Woodward could not wait a week, until after the funeral ceremonies to put this information out.

Woodward has been and always will be a stinking clown.

42 posted on 12/28/2006 3:34:29 AM PST by beyond the sea ( All lies and jest, still the man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.)
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To: torchthemummy
Bill Casey's last word was 'Rosebud.'" ----

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LOL

43 posted on 12/28/2006 3:36:38 AM PST by beyond the sea ( All lies and jest, still the man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.)
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To: pissant

A lot of people voted for Jimmy Carter because, being a Southern governor, even JIMMY appeared more conservative than Gerald Ford!


44 posted on 12/28/2006 4:30:47 AM PST by Cincinnatus.45-70 (Patriotism to DemocRats is like sunlight to Dracula.)
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To: Cincinnatus.45-70

The great Party of Moderates, including Nixon, G. Ford, McCain, Guilianna, GWH Bush & son have just about put on end to any pretense of a Conservative Republican Party. IMO...a spineless bunch of political losers who are little better than DemoRat-lite! Thank these posers for giving us Jimmah Carter, Bilbious Clinton and now even a HildeBeast is a possibility...jeez!
Whatever one believes about Woodward's Ford interview, it is believable that Ford would say such a thing...he is & was a squishee Moderate and failed in most areas as a Temp President a lot like GWHB.


45 posted on 12/28/2006 5:26:57 AM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: tobyhill

He sounds all right on the tape; old, of course, but all right.


46 posted on 12/28/2006 5:28:22 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: FlingWingFlyer

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/27/AR2006122701599.html


47 posted on 12/28/2006 5:28:41 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: tobyhill

And just why the heck is this garbage being heralded by the media? Because it gives them more ammunition. Ford should have just kept his mouth shut. Geez, even the former GOP presidents are doing their level best to criticize the current regime. I thought former presidents were supposed to keep this mouths shut!


48 posted on 12/28/2006 5:35:50 AM PST by pctech
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To: tobyhill

And just why the heck is this garbage being heralded by the media? Because it gives them more ammunition. Ford should have just kept his mouth shut. Geez, even the former GOP presidents are doing their level best to criticize the current regime. I thought former presidents were supposed to keep this mouths shut!


49 posted on 12/28/2006 5:35:51 AM PST by pctech
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To: tobyhill
I wonder WHAT terrible stuff Nixon was looking to find (on the democrat party operatives) in the Watergate Hotel?..

You KNOW, being Nixon, he was looking for something..
We NOW KNOW that the democrat party is a wholly criminal enterprise..
But THEN(Nixons time), we only suspected..

I wonder..

50 posted on 12/28/2006 6:02:06 AM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole)
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