Posted on 12/27/2006 10:27:03 PM PST by FLOutdoorsman
How much dog poop is it okay to eat? Just a little?
Just trying in a friendly fashion to explore your impressions of what the Inquisition was and what it did.
I guess I should have known better.
No, his lover, Jane.
I see excerpts from it every day painted on the sides of boxcars.
Rongorongo Puzzles
Yuri Kuchinsky
http://www.trends.net/~yuku/tran/a2.htm
The most difficult problem is to determine which language exactly was spoken on EI in the earliest period. And here, of course, we need to deal with the historical theories of Heyerdahl. According to him, the earliest language was probably S American.
In his essay, Heyerdahl provides evidence to show similarities between rongorongo and some extremely obscure ancient S American scripts, especially the Cuna script of Panama, and native writing systems in the area of Lake Titicaca in Bolivia. He also lists some interesting associated cultural parallels between these areas. Also, he details some rather intriguing iconographic parallels between rongorongo and the carvings on the famous Gateway of the Sun in Tiwanaku.
As described by Heyerdahl, there's significant evidence of reliable native Rapanui informants indicating that some oldest tablet texts, or parts of texts, may have been read in some obscure old language different from Rapanui language of the 19th c. We even have one seemingly ancient chant, first attested by Routledge, and rediscovered on EI by Heyerdahl in 1956, that is almost completely incomprehensible to anyone on Rapanui. This is the _he timo te ako-ako_ chant.
I tend to agree with Jacques that it is probable that the actual knowledge of the rongorongo script may have been forgotten for quite some time on EI even before the Europeans first appeared on the scene.
In this essay, Heyerdahl also describes in detail and analyses a very unusual trove of written materials that he came across while digging on Rapanui in 1956. These previously unknown texts, written on paper, were provided to him by some islanders. Barthel's essay in the same volume confirms the importance of these documents, while pointing out that much of their content was based on Bishop Jaussen's dictionary lists that somehow made it back to the island from Tahiti. These previously unknown texts, dating approximately to the turn of the present century, show that some modern Easter Islanders were still keenly interested in rongorongo and tried to work out some of its mysteries for themselves.
Epigraphic Society Occasional Publications
Volume 18 1989
http://www.epigraphy.org/volume_18.htm
Deciphering the Easter Island Tablets - Part 1 (26 pp) Barry Fell 18-p 185
The author deciphers the Easter Island rongorongo inscriptions with the aid of New Zealand cave inscriptions, signatures of Maori chieftains on the Treaty of Waitangi, and spoken passages recorded more than a century ago by Bishop Tepano Jaussen from the dictation of an Easter Island chief named Metoro. Passages cover the early discovery and settlement of Easter Island and sequences of formulae for use as protective charms. A vocabulary of the words encountered is included.
Epigraphic Society Occasional Papers
Volume 19 1990
http://www.epigraphy.org/volume_19.htm
Forum: Easter Island (1 p) Gordon Hislop & Marshall Payn 19-p 14
Hislop, a Chief of the Maoris, congratulates Fell on the "news from Easter Island ... What a wonderful success..." Payn passes on a phone conversation he had with Petero Edmunds of Easter Island. Edmunds had met with the local Council of Elders and explained to them Barry's premises for the translation of the Rongorongo tablets. The Council members readily equated Barry's premises with Easter Island tradition concerning "reverse talking" --i.e., person A speaking to person B so that person C cannot understand the conversation. Reverse talking called for the using of words which, when spoken, sounded very close to the words they actually meant, but taken literally were gibberish. Payn says that Petero was quite optimistic about "the accuracy of your translation."
Forum: Secret Languages of Polynesia (1 p) Likeke McBride 19-p 15
Says that Fell's Easter Island hypothesis was upheld by none other than the late Mary Kawena Pukui (a co-author of the Hawaiian Dictionary). Over 20 years ago she told the author that "obscure talking" was an integral part of the game Loku. The author cites other cases of "secret languages" known to have been employed by Polynesians. [Buchanan note, July 2000: The Easter Islanders even have a special word pon-ko = "noun: a jargon by which the logical order of the syllables in a word is changed so as to talk without letting the rest learn of the subject discussed; as a transitive verb: to talk jargon." A US example would be "Pig Latin."]
Deciphering the Easter Island Tablets, Part 2 (27 pp) Barry Fell 19-p 250
This is a continuation of the article in Vol. 18 on the decipherment of the Kohau Rongorongo of Easter Island. He mentions letters of support from Petero Edmunds of the Easter Island Council of Elders and Likeke McBride of Hawaii as well as Maui Pomare, a leading Maori chief and scholar. He also heard from Gordon Hislop, an Otago chief. In this article, Fell gives a proposed reading of the opening passage of the Kohau known as Tahua using Thomas Bartel's transcription of the writing on the tablet published in 1958. A catalog of 270 Rapanui ideograms is given as well as the meanings of the phonoglyphs.
Epigraphic Society Occasional Papers
Volume 20/1, 1991
http://www.epigraphy.org/volume_20_1.htm
Deciphering the Easter Island Tablets, Part 3 (16 pp) Barry Fell 20/1-p 122
This is a continuation of the article begun in Vol. 18 on the decipherment of the Kohau Rongorongo of Easter Island. Fell explains that the vocalizations of the Easter Island hieroglyphics comprise prosonomastic language, meaningless in itself, but comprehensible when the punning transforms are recognized. Polynesian scholars have written Fell to support this finding.
Epigraphic Society Occasional Papers
Volume 21 1992
http://www.epigraphy.org/volume_21.htm
Deciphering the Easter Island Tablets Part 5: Maui and the Fire Goddess (10 pp) Barry Fell 21-p 31
The author continues his series on the decipherment of the Rongorongo inscriptions. Fell reveals a masterful knowledge of Maori myths and culture.
Deciphering the Easter Island Tablets Part 6: Powers of the Tohunga (10 pp) Barry Fell 21-p 41
The author completes his series on the decipherment of the Rongorongo inscriptions.
http://cumulus.planetess.com/Immortals2/ch17.htm
In a moment of inspiration Barry Fell realized that the Rongo Rongo script was not plain text in the Polynesian language. It was a specific form of hidden text. Some phonetically similar words were substituted for the intended-meaning words. There is a somewhat similar example of 'double talk' in England, among the Cockneys of London. I happen to have a 3 volume encyclopedic dictionary that has a 9 page section on this which it calls 'rhyming slang.' For example, a 'wife' is a 'jane'. But the word 'jane' is omitted and instead 'ball and chain' is substituted... The result of this type of communication is that only a knowledgeable hearer understands the speaker, although he/she might be familiar with the language spoken. It's said that Polynesian workers used such a language-form so that their bosses couldn't understand what they said to one another...
The Easter Island Council of Elders agreed with Barry Fell's translation -- "Based on the premise for Person A speaking to Person B so that Person C cannot understand the conversation. It's called 'reverse talking.'"
The Mayan texts were produced by practitioners of received religion.
Actually, it was more complicated than that. People cut down the trees, since they were used to carve out boats. They were the largest palms ever known, even larger than the Chilean Wine Palm - the largest non-extinct palm tree. Supposedly, the trunk of this tree could exceed 7 feet in diameter. The tree was not only the source of wood for their outriggers, but also a source of food and fruit.
New ones didn't grow because the rats gnawed and ate the seeds of the palm. Rats didn't cut down the trees, people did. You had to wonder what went through the guy's head who cut down the last tree...
Anyway, rats were introduced to the island by the people - probaby accidentally as is always the case.
Once the palms died out - along with all the other flora and fauna - the locals had no mobility. There was no more source of wood to build outriggers, so they could no longer trade with other islands, nor could they go out to sea. They were basically 'shipwrecked'.
Easter Island's End by Jared DiamondEnjoy. Happy New Year!
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Note: this topic is from 12/27/2006. Thanks FLOutdoorsman. A ping because there's a new attempt being made on the rongorongo.Polish researcher attempts to read a unique writing from Easter Island [09/18/2017]
Despite many question marks, investigators of the mysterious writing established several facts. First and foremost, it is known that rongorongo was used by the aristocracy living on the island - it was not a commonly used writing. Sentences were read in the reverse bustrofedon system - the medium had to be rotated while reading. How could this be determined even though the writing still has not been deciphered? "Sequences of characters are repeating on a few tablets. In some cases they go to the next line of text, and in others, they continue in one line" - said Wieczorek.
On the Big Island of Hawaii, there are some amazing petroglyphs near the Waikoloa golf Course.
While very interesting to study, and quite beautiful, one runs the risk of getting konked on the head with a golf ball while studying them.
"What is that a Titleist? A hole in one eh.".
Houle get a hole in one, bruh!
Right upside da haid.
and “here’s your ******* canoe!” ;^)
Well, *Everybody* knows that the people found on Easter Island originated from the Eurasian side of the Arctic Circle, and were pushed down into what is now known as Iran/Persia during the last major Ice Age.
Then, due to the pressures of other peoples fleeing the same catastrophes and changes, took to boats and began their own version of the Long March, but by sea... mostly.
They mixed languages and bloodlines along the way, and had splinter groups going all over the place, including the eastern coastal areas of eastern coasts of Africa, the Central American neck, the US, and north Pacific. But, the main group wandered down to New Zealand and the south Pacific AO.
The Voynich manuscript.
[cues up “We Are Family”]
Heyerdahl showed the affinities between certain South American sculpture and the Easter Island statues (including those early, less stylized ones that he was first to rediscover and excavate), and did so years after his balsa raft expedition across the Pacific.
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