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"What Is Wrong With the Press?"
C-Span | 12/29/06 | self

Posted on 12/29/2006 5:53:10 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion

Yesterday I saw a panel discussion on "the media." The panel included Helen Thomas, and my rumination on her response to a question inspired this post. The question was, "What is wrong with the press?" Helen Thomas' predictable reply was that the press had been too shy about opposing the Bush Administration on its preinvasion claims that Saddam had a WMD program. And of course there was some cheering, and no jeering, heard from the audience.

What is wrong with the press? What is wrong with the press is planted in the very question itself. What is wrong with Big Journalism is the fact that it even exists as an entity to be critiqued. In principle "the press" is not an entity but many diverse and contentious people publishing their opinions.

There is nothing wrong with the blogosphere; it is us. That means that it is venal and spiritual, earnest and frivolous, high minded and corrupt. The blogosphere is most of the press. Movies are also "the press," and so are books. Wherever the people may publish their opinions using their own money and no government supervision, that is part of "the press."

"The press" is not objective. It doesn't have to be, and it cannot be. "The press" is diverse; indeed the press is diversity - it cannot be objective, any more than it can be of any one particular opinion. In styling itself "the press," Big Journalism arrogantly conflates its opinion - which actually is defined by its own self interest as purveyors of nothing but data and opinion - with the diffuse interest of the public.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Philosophy; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: mediabias
The wisest and most cautious of us all frequently gives credit to stories which he himself is afterwards both ashamed and astonished that he could possibly think of believing . . . It is acquired wisdom and experience only that teach incredulity, and they very seldom teach it enough. - Adam Smith

Half the truth is often a great lie. - Benjamin Franklin

Why Broadcast Journalism is
Unnecessary and Illegitimate


1 posted on 12/29/2006 5:53:11 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion
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To: Milhous; MortMan; CGVet58; CasearianDaoist; headsonpikes; beyond the sea; E.G.C.; ...
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2 posted on 12/29/2006 5:54:56 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

My hat's off to other, more noble, FReepers who provide the spiritual, earnest and high-minded commentary.

It is amazing, though, how they view themselves. It's like they are the Vicar of Christ.


3 posted on 12/29/2006 6:00:05 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

The Stone Age Press write stories for each other so they have to slant it towards the Rats and attack Republicans. That is the only way their overinflated egos are satisfied.

Pray for W and Our Troops


4 posted on 12/29/2006 6:00:47 AM PST by bray (Redeploy to Iran)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

What is wrong with the press?

They've gotten lazy. Or, maybe being charitable, they no longer have the resources to do quality journalism.

Most reporters simply push "facts" into "template" and then rush the story to print. This is the course of least resistance... they know their editor will like the formula story, and the editor doesn't like any more effort on a story than is necessary. The editor figures that the formula story has "always sold" so therefore it will sell again.

There are exceptions of course, but I've just covered 95% of the news stories that I see and hear.

Fortunately, the MSM has run into people who don't need to stick to a formula, don't have an editor trying to crank out content with the least amount of effort, and are well-trained in spotting biased formulas.



5 posted on 12/29/2006 6:01:03 AM PST by TWohlford
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To: WorkingClassFilth

"It is amazing, though, how they view themselves. It's like they are the Vicar of Christ."

That was such a small mention in the article, and yet, you pull it out and highlight it with your own spin. Have an axe to grind?


6 posted on 12/29/2006 6:01:54 AM PST by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

"What's wrong with the press?" is that they have chosen sides. Much like the justice system the press should be neutral in its pursuit of truth.


7 posted on 12/29/2006 6:04:07 AM PST by killermosquito (Buffalo (and eventually France) is what you get when liberalism runs its course.)
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To: WorkingClassFilth
It is amazing, though, how they view themselves. It's like they are the Vicar of Christ.

Oops! The use of "they" means the MSM, not FReepers.
8 posted on 12/29/2006 6:05:00 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

I watched it too. Hlen insisting that whe and others write 'the truth'...It was interesting.


9 posted on 12/29/2006 6:05:44 AM PST by meema (I am a Conservative Traditional Republican, NOT an elitist, sexist, cynic or right wing extremist!)
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To: WorkingClassFilth

"Oops! The use of "they" means the MSM, not FReepers."

Doh! That's how I took it. Nevermind my other post. :)


10 posted on 12/29/2006 6:08:06 AM PST by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

"What is wrong with the press?"

For a much shorter answer try asking the question, " What is RIGHT with the press " !!!


11 posted on 12/29/2006 6:09:00 AM PST by Obie Wan
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
"...In principle "the press" is not an entity but many diverse and contentious people publishing their opinions..."

I have to disagree. The way I see it; in principle "the press" is not an entity but many diverse and contentious people who should only be concerned with publishing facts.

That's the difference between news and opinion journalism. The problem lies when opinions and prejudices are deliberately passed off by reporters, and willingly accepted as facts by the public. That's where bias overcome news.
12 posted on 12/29/2006 6:11:28 AM PST by conservativeharleyguy (Technically, we're all Republicans)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
"...In principle "the press" is not an entity but many diverse and contentious people publishing their opinions..."

I have to disagree. The way I see it; in principle "the press" is not an entity but many diverse and contentious people who should only be concerned with publishing facts.

That's the difference between news and opinion journalism. The problem lies when opinions and prejudices are deliberately passed off by reporters, and willingly accepted as facts by the public. That's where bias overcomes news.
13 posted on 12/29/2006 6:11:49 AM PST by conservativeharleyguy (Technically, we're all Republicans)
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To: brownsfan
The character of the press is the point of the article. Their arrogance in broadcast journalism is only one current manifestation. In the face of the obvious, having a personal axe to grind would be quaint.
14 posted on 12/29/2006 6:15:11 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

BTTT


15 posted on 12/29/2006 6:16:14 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
I don't even know why newspapers and such have editorial sections. The whole paper is one big editorial.

And the answer that Sasquach Thomas gave to the question sums it up.

The press' job is not to be for or against anything. Their job is to print the facts, period.
16 posted on 12/29/2006 6:17:57 AM PST by HOTTIEBOY (I'm your huckleberry)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

Manufactured hysteria & socialist bias - that's whats wrong with the press.


17 posted on 12/29/2006 6:18:20 AM PST by acw011 (50 square miles surrounded by reality - Do I really live in Madison - ugh)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

What's RIGHT with the press?


18 posted on 12/29/2006 6:18:22 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

Bump! The problem with the press is that it lies and it's mostly stupid.


19 posted on 12/29/2006 6:19:47 AM PST by jpsb
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

What wrong with the Press?

I would say helen thomas is a walking advertisement for what is wrong with the Press.

The Press isnt there to make their lifes work a partisan effort to criticise anything done by an administration they dont agree with.
The Press is supposed to report what is happening fairly and unbiased.

Helen Thomas is anything BUT fair and unbiased.


20 posted on 12/29/2006 6:32:17 AM PST by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

What is wrong with the press? I see four big problems.

First is perception: Of course, the press "presses" that wrong perception to its own advantage but it is an erroneous perception. No one is completely objective but the press pretends to such omniscience and encourages us to believe they are totally objective. Other points of view are either ignored or villified.

Second, the nature of the business. The press, as in the MSM, exists to make money. It must do so by increasing readership numbers and thereby attracting advertisers. Reporters, news readers and others don't like this crass characterization of their "high-minded" profession but the bottom line rules all.

In order to salve their consciences and appear noble, reporters kick against this reality and pretend that they are above such concerns. One way they do this is to convince media moguls that "public issues" must have some play in the publication/broadcast. But it must be accomplished without hurting the bottom line so the press must find issues such as social justice or "we're looking out for the little guy" stories to buttress their pretense while not driving away their advertisers. Reporters therefore, while proclaiming to be dedicated to "the truth", constantly search for something to hold up their fantasy.

Third, the Watergate Effect. Part of the problem can be traced back to Woodward and Bernstein, who romanticized the idea of a reporter taking on the government and bringing it down. The journalism students which entered school before Watergate and after Watergate were markedly different in their ideas of the role of a reporter. While pre-Watergate journalism students were largely motivated by informing the public, the post-Watergate students were often drawn by the idea of power and influence. That is a broad generalization but having my own journalism studies spanning that period I can at least attest anecdotally to the effect of Watergate.

Lastly, exclusivity. Journalists tend to be exclusive. Where long ago journalists saw themselves as making large numbers of friends and contacts among the newsmakers, now journalists see newsmakers as adversaries to be brought down should they get too uppity. The result is a narrowing of the points of view to which a journalist is exposed in his or her everyday life. Some ninety percent of journalists are liberal and that is the point of view with which they surround themselves. Since so many around them hold the same point of view, why, obviously, only an idiot would believe otherwise. Add to this the heavy concentration of Northeastern liberals in positions of power in the MSM and you have ignorance of most of America and its concerns and a serious tilting in favor of stories about or concerning the Northeast.

Actually these are just a few of the problems. I didn't see the program. Were any of these issues discussed by the panelists? If not, they are still living in a fantasyland.


21 posted on 12/29/2006 6:36:31 AM PST by caseinpoint ((Don't get thickly involved in thin things.))
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To: TWohlford

"...they no longer have the resources to do quality journalism"

Oh, they definitely have the resources. What they don't have is integrity. That is a quality to be squashed wherever it is found. Integrity gums up the cogs of the PC swindle machine.


22 posted on 12/29/2006 7:08:29 AM PST by wgflyer (Liberalism is to society what HIV is to the immune system.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

I watched that CSPAN show.

The press that they are talking about believes the Iraq war to be a folly and blames itself for not asking the so-called tough questions. They also believe the Islamic threat to be something amorphous and any US reaction to it as "unfair".

Because they learned "truth to power" in college, they have nothing buy disdain for power, legitimate or illegitimate.

They are cynics, not skeptics. They believe in nothing but some kind of unattainable perfection. They live with a smug attitude of self-satisfied angst because they see that the world is so unfair and that they are the enlightened ones fighting against it. In short, apocalyptics.

Unfortunately, they really don't know what to think about the reality that Iran is willing to start lobbing nukes all over the Middle East. They don't believe Saddam would happily have done the same. And they have no regard for the dismantling (hopefully) of the AQ Kahn network.

In effect the intellectual elite is a cult of atheist apocalyptics, locked in a battle with Muslim apocalyptics that they don't believe in, because they don't believe in anything.


23 posted on 12/29/2006 7:32:35 AM PST by JmyBryan
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To: killermosquito
"What's wrong with the press?" is that they have chosen sides. Much like the justice system the press should be neutral in its pursuit of truth.
"What's wrong with the press?" is the unanimity of Big Journalism.

Big Journalism consists of a bunch of nominally independent companies which - like the New York Yankees and the Boston Red Sox - compete only within narrowo boundaries. Outside the white lines of the ball park and outside of their recruiting efforts for players, the New York Yankees and the Boston Red Sox are partners in promoting Major League Baseball. In the same way, The Washington Post and ABC News are competitors in delivering the story - but partners is promoting the story.

And what is the story? The story is always the same. The story is that the cheap-shot criticism and second guessing of Big Journalism is more significant than the actual provision of food, clothing, shelter, and security. The story is that those who provide what we need are lazy, corrupt, crooked, and ruthless - and that only the scrutiny provided by Big Journalism keeps their cupidity in check. The story is that you can't trust anyone in the world but journalists - and you can trust journalists implicitly.

Well, there are people who are not journalists but who are trustworthy - and those are the people whom journalism gives positive labels such as "moderate," "centrist," "progressive," or "liberal." Such people gain positive PR from journalists for one simple reason - their own individual story lines promote the idea that people who provide things we-the-people need cannot be trusted.


24 posted on 12/29/2006 8:04:27 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

An neutral, independent, highly critical press, willing and able to challenge the credibility of any administration, politician or policy is a good thing. What is wrong with the press is that they have chosen sides in the political process and openly support one party while openly hostile to the other.


25 posted on 12/29/2006 8:32:41 AM PST by Natural Law
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion; All

Thanks for linking "Why Broadcast Journalism is Unnecessary an Illegitimate" in your post. OUTSTANDING thread for anyone who has not read it BUMP!


26 posted on 12/29/2006 8:48:51 AM PST by PGalt
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion; bray; TWohlford; conservativeharleyguy; sgtbono2002; wgflyer; ...
We are like the four blind men describing an elephant. Every point of view has merit and all see the beast (MSM) from a slightly different perspective.

My view is that we are concentrating on the parts rather than the elephant. The elephant is the left and its steady march to dominance in this country. The MSM is just one of its many tools, though an important one. The MSM now functions fully as the propaganda arm of the left and the controller of information. That is what makes the Internet and talk radio such a threat and why they will come after both.

The central question of why? needs a little background and an appraisal of its success. In the interest of brevity just look up Communist Goals and The Frankfurt School and compare that to today's reality.

The Communist philosophy can only exist through lies and deception. The Communist Manifesto, "From each according to his ability to each according to his need.", has obviously fatal flaws when taken at face value.

Who decides need? Who decides ability? The answer, of course, is The Party. That means central control and little, if any, individual freedom.

In a free society there will always be more rich than poor and more non-achievers than achievers. That is the natural result of human nature. To make all equal in a society, as Communism pretends to do, the government can only assure equality of outcome, not people. Can a non-achiever be made an achiever? Not to any great extent. The only workable way to equality is to prevent the achievers from succeeding. Who wants a society like that?

So they lie. They never mention preventing success but they throw many roadblocks in its way like government regulation, taxes, outright bans on certain activities, unionized labor, etc. All are accomplished through lies that explain that "it is for our own good."

Except for the few who are unabashed power seekers and use the lies to achieve it, the rest are what Lenin called "useful idiots", meaning those who believe the lies. That is what the MSM is to a large degree, as well as most Democrats, useful idiots.

They buy the lies of welfare, food stamps, paying for out of wedlock babies, free medical care, free housing, etc., being only temporary assistance to help the unfortunate and suppressed minorities. They believe that the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was a great thing for blacks. (In a recorded phone conversation at the LBJ Library LBJ can be heard telling Sen. Richard Russell of Georgia, "That will keep the n-----s voting Democrat for the next two hundred years.") They believe affirmative action is necessary to right the wrongs of the past.

The list goes on but suffice it to say they believe they are doing good, fighting for a noble cause, and they like to be seen as such. The Communists believe the end justifies the means, that todays traitor to the USA will be tomorrows revolutionary hero when they take over.

Destroying the enemy (Republicans and conservatives) anyway possible is noble. Lying about them is OK. Shutting off their voice by shouting them down, outlawing their organizations, eliminating their views through Campaign Finance Reform, is wonderful. In other words, they are despicable and they do terrible things, all under the guise of doing good.

That is the elephant. The MSM is just a leg or a tail or a trunk. Most are useful idiots but some are hardcore Communists.
27 posted on 12/29/2006 8:54:07 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done, needs to be done by the government.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
The story is that the cheap-shot criticism and second guessing of Big Journalism is more significant than the actual provision of food, clothing, shelter, and security.

Well said. Big Journalism acts like talking the talk means everything while walking the walk means nothing.
28 posted on 12/29/2006 9:23:58 AM PST by Milhous (Twixt truth and madness lies but a sliver of a stream.)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
Of course you are correct and the words need to be repeated for those who are not aware of it. I don't think there is any confusion in this regard to most FReepers (check out the multitude of wisdom just in the tag lines of our FR compadres).

In my own, very humble opinion, Islam poses not near the threat that liberalism/leftism/communism does to this country. As with HIV, the left is the AIDS. islam will be the pneumonia that eventually kills the already weakened patient. With the left vanquished, all other problems are easily solved. But different topics warrant discussion on their own merits. All are little battles in a big war.
29 posted on 12/29/2006 9:51:30 AM PST by wgflyer (Liberalism is to society what HIV is to the immune system.)
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To: wgflyer

Excellent thoughts.


30 posted on 12/29/2006 9:55:40 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done, needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

Which is exactly why the left vilifies Christians. Christianity professes a God greater than gummit and that is heresy to a leftist. To reach the communist utopia they need to justify a multitude of amoral actions such as abortion, homosexuality, the elimination of a father in the household and re-education among others and Christianity stands in the way of their goals.

Communism needs atheism to become the god to its followers.

Their latest attack on Christianity is to profess their version of Christianity by revising it to their way of thinking. The next election they will all profess to be Christians but it will actually be New Age Christianity.

Pray for W and Our Troops


31 posted on 12/29/2006 10:12:57 AM PST by bray (Redeploy to Iran)
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To: bray
Your are certainly right, that is another facet of Communism. It is much like the old "Divine Right of Kings" and the beginning of the Church of England but at least they didn't kill the Pope and outlaw Catholicism.

Another reason for what you point out, is the abandonment of Christian principles. In order to remake a society, in their mind, they must first totally destroy the old. That means God, morals, the Constitution, the flag, our history of doing good and transforming it into doing evil, etc. All icons must be destroyed.

Another method is the use of linguistics to cause confusion. Call evil good and proclaim it as noble. Call government spending an investment while simultaneously opposing individual investment in SS.

Forbid school choice while allowing murder of the unborn and calling it choice. Call tax cuts for everyone a tax cut for the rich.

Do whatever it takes to sow discord and confusion, to turn poor against rich, black against white, Hispanic against white, Oriental against white, Muslims against everyone, and on and on.

The more discord, confusion, and unhappiness there is the more likely that the populace will demand a strong central government to correct it and the less likely it will be to oppose such a government, until it is too late.

There is much more to this but that is a taste of it.
32 posted on 12/29/2006 10:53:56 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done, needs to be done by the government.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

Well it's quite simple, they voted for BJ Clinton and it wasn't their fault. So they feel free to lie about everything to prove themselves right.

Howard Dean's version of the truth as read by Dan Rather.


33 posted on 12/29/2006 10:55:48 AM PST by Tarpon
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To: conservativeharleyguy
I have to disagree. The way I see it; in principle "the press" is not an entity but many diverse and contentious people who should only be concerned with publishing facts.
Helen Thomas would agree. I would not - because Big Journalism presumes to define "facts." In the tendentious way which admits of the idea of ressurection of the "fairness" doctrine for the purpose of suppressing Rush Limbaugh on grounds that his program is "opinion." Of course Limbaugh's program is driven by his opinions; he is very open about that.
That's the difference between news and opinion journalism. The problem lies when opinions and prejudices are deliberately passed off by reporters, and willingly accepted as facts by the public. That's where bias overcomes news.
No, the difference between news and opinion is only in the minds of the suckers who fall for the con. The con is not only the claim of accuracy - when in fact "news" is, at least sometimes, based on rumor or even on fraud - but the con is also the claim of objectivity.

The crucial point is that story selection - what is on the front page, what's buried somewhere in the middle of the paper, and what isn't even reported at all - can mean that even a factual report may be "half the truth," and "a great lie."


34 posted on 12/29/2006 12:04:32 PM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: PGalt

"Why Broadcast Journalism is Unnecessary and Illegitimate" should be mandatory reading for any student and/or citizen of this nation.

I hope you are on the Ping list for this wonderful thread...

It has opened my eyes to things I never imagined...


35 posted on 12/29/2006 12:09:47 PM PST by imintrouble
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
"What is wrong with the press?" c_I_c

Nothing.
Not a damned thing.
The media's what they are.
The media does as they please.
The media's pleased with what they do.
Period.

The media in The United States of America doesn't owe anyone a thing, nada, nyet.
The media proves that repeatedly each & every day and in a hundred different ways.

Why anyone would believe the media -- whatever form -- is compelled to be "fair" and/or "Honest" with anything is perplexing, to say the least.
Where're the rules governing the LSmedia written?
Is the lamestream media's behavior dictated in the Constitution? No, of course not. Only rules I know of describe what the LSmedia can do with complete immunity, their first Amendment rights.

So.
Whatever one sees/hears from the LSmedia, that's what one gets.
No more & no less.

LSMedia has never covered up what they are, not to those who could read.
Never denied what they stand for, not for those who could see.

People irked by the LSmedia are the same people who refuse to believe what their own eyes see & ears hear.
How does one fix that?

What the LSmedia really is -- to those who claim to watch 'em -- is no secret, no mystery.

...none a'tall.

36 posted on 12/29/2006 12:57:22 PM PST by Landru (That does it, no sleep number for you pal.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

"What's wrong with the press?" Are they kidding? Bias, laziness, arrogance, and ignorance, just to start.


37 posted on 12/29/2006 1:00:41 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: WorkingClassFilth; brownsfan
My hat's off to other, more noble, FReepers who provide the spiritual, earnest and high-minded commentary.

It is amazing, though, how they view themselves. It's like they are the Vicar of Christ.

Oops! The use of "they" means the MSM, not FReepers.

Whew! You had us worried there for a minute!

Truly, "It is amazing, though, how Big Journalism views themselves. It's like they are the Vicar of Christ."
Journalists use the editorial page, with its frank opinion, to position the rest of the paper as "speaking ex cathedra."


38 posted on 12/29/2006 2:50:31 PM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: WorkingClassFilth
It is amazing, though, how they view themselves. It's like they are the Vicar of Christ.

Wow....some chip.

39 posted on 12/29/2006 2:55:43 PM PST by Osage Orange (molon labe)
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To: WorkingClassFilth
Ah HECK....I should have read down.

Sorry you old chipper you!!

FRegards,

40 posted on 12/29/2006 2:56:50 PM PST by Osage Orange (molon labe)
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To: conservativeharleyguy
Yes.....but many times I see real "facts" published...but only in "terms" that the MSM Clymers want to publish them.

Their specialty is spin....Facts can be twisted, spun, faded, hidden, twisted..etc..etc..

41 posted on 12/29/2006 3:00:00 PM PST by Osage Orange (molon labe)
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To: caseinpoint

Good post........


42 posted on 12/29/2006 3:01:25 PM PST by Osage Orange (molon labe)
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To: HOTTIEBOY
I don't even know why newspapers and such have editorial sections. The whole paper is one big editorial.

. . . The press' job is not to be for or against anything. Their job is to print the facts, period.

Those two statements are in direct conflict. It is true that "The whole paper is one big editorial." Under the First Amendment, it is allowed to be "one big editorial."

If it is entitled to be "one big editorial," and in actual experience it is "one big editorial," in what sense is it the newspaper's job "to print the facts, period," and to "not to be for or against anything?" The answer, of course, is that the newspaper is in fact highly partisan, in both fact and intention, and any claims it makes to the contrary are themselves exemplars of the most extreme partisanship.


43 posted on 12/29/2006 3:04:56 PM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: Landru
LSMedia has never covered up what they are, not to those who could read.

Never denied what they stand for, not for those who could see.

But speaking from my own experience, Big Journalism has been able to con most of us that that way, even though as you say their actual behavior, contrasting as it does with its professed standards, has been in plain view all along.

I myself was in my late thirties, back in the late seventies, before I clearly realized that (in retrospect obvious) contradiction.


44 posted on 12/29/2006 4:19:44 PM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion; Osage Orange

Sorry 'bout that, folks! I take full responsibility for my own stupidity. Now if only the MSM would do the same.


45 posted on 12/29/2006 4:32:25 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth
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To: JmyBryan
They are cynics, not skeptics. They believe in nothing but some kind of unattainable perfection.
My take is that everyone believes in something, and journalists are cynical about everyone except Big Journalism. About Big Journalism, journalists are naive as a babe. And that maps to naivete about socialism as well. There is no difference between the interest and self image of journalism and the interests of socialism.

46 posted on 12/29/2006 4:36:18 PM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

The MSM, is dominated by women, and feminists of both genders....


47 posted on 12/29/2006 4:37:10 PM PST by thinking
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To: meema
I watched it too. Helen insisting that she and others write 'the truth'...It was interesting.
It is not enough to report "the truth," because it's impossible to report all truth. Your perspective can be seen in what you do not report. And what journalism does not report - what "isn't news" - is, by and large, conservatism. Things like employment (as opposed to unemployment). And good news generally.

It's true that bad news sells and good news doesn't - but that is a matter of the self interest not of the public but of journalism. Bad news is obviously - the thing speaks for itself - bad. And journalism's self interest is in bad news. And whether or not you are a journalist, expressing your self interest is not identical with expression the public interest generally.


49 posted on 12/29/2006 5:12:12 PM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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Esactly! She was so angry when someone pointed out that "the truth" is always subjective.
Helen believe that HER truth is the only real truth.


50 posted on 12/29/2006 5:56:30 PM PST by meema (I am a Conservative Traditional Republican, NOT an elitist, sexist, cynic or right wing extremist!)
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