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China claims Genghis Khan as its own
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Posted on 12/29/2006 4:04:22 PM PST by maui_hawaii

From outcast nomad to tribal warlord and finally founder of the world's greatest land empire, Genghis Khan went through a lot of changes in a tumultuous life spanning the end of the 12th century and the beginning of the 13th.

But perhaps the strangest transformation ever undergone by the Mongolian military genius has come in modern times: his reinvention as a Chinese hero.

“Genghis Khan was certainly Chinese,” says Guo Wurong, general manager of the Genghis Khan Mausoleum Tourist District in China's Inner Mongolia region.

“We currently define him as a hero of the Mongolian nationality, a great man of the Chinese people and a giant in world history,” says Mr Guo, who has led a multimillion-dollar redevelopment of the site of the great Khan's “mausoleum” in Inner Mongolia's Ordos prefecture.

The Chinese part of that description would no doubt surprise Genghis himself, who seems to have seen the Han Chinese people who lived south of his Mongolian heartlands as merely another ethnic group to be subjugated.

Mr Guo's definition closely matches that pushed by official histories and government scholars, however. The late chairman Mao Zedong may once have dismissed Genghis as someone who “only knew how to draw his bow at the eagles”, but Beijing's cultural commissars have good reason to embrace the great khan as a model Chinese.

Celebrating Genghis aligns Beijing policy with the reverence ethnic Mongolians feel for the founder of their nation.

Turning Genghis Chinese, meanwhile, pushes the party line that Inner Mongolia is an integral part of China, despite the quiet yearning for independence of many of the region's increasingly outnumbered original inhabitants.

State-approved histories paint an idealised picture of an eternal “Chinese” state grouping the majority Han with ethnic brothers such as the Mongolians.

“Coming from a nomad nationality, Genghis Khan rose to become a representative of many excellent national cultures, embodying especially the essence of China's minority nationality culture,” wrote Chen Yu-ning, professor at Ningxia University, in a history published this year.

Such official endorsement of Genghis and traditional culture has brought real benefits for Mongolians in China, who suffered severe oppression for decades under Mao's rule.

Traditional Naadam festivals of riding, shooting and wrestling, once banned, are now subsidised by the state. At one Naadam gathering on the Gegentala grasslands this summer, local government departments lent tents to contestants to stay in.

Yet the cost of being subsumed into a greater Chinese identity is also apparent. Much of the Gegentala festival was arranged for the benefit of dignitaries and tourists staying at a nearby tent hotel complete with a bathhouse stocked with Chinese prostitutes.

A flag-bearing police honour guard and playing of the national anthem opened proceedings, to the disgust of one ethnic Mongolian official.

“Naadam has been diluted, Communised and Sinified,” said the official, who declined to be identified. “To a person who has studied history and national culture, Naadam should not be this way.”

A Chinese tide is also washing over the Ordos “mausoleum” – which is actually the site of a sacred enclosure where relics of the great khan were preserved. Now a complex of statues, plazas and museum halls has been built around the site in a style reminiscent of China's imperial tombs.

Mr Guo says effort is being made to reflect the site's traditions.

Indeed, he plans to install hidden speakers in the grassland to give visitors a sense of place. “That way you'll be able to hear the sound of horses galloping on the steppe...or in another place you might hear the sound of Mongolian singing,” he says.

Such ersatz echoes of steppeland tradition irk Baildugqi, an expert on Mongolian history at the Inner Mongolia University. “You cannot use the methods of the Han interior to commemorate Genghis Khan and his culture,” Prof Baildugqi says.

Sinifying Genghis's legacy does not just risk upsetting mild-mannered academics. Official emphasis on Mongolians' minority status also fuels fears in Mongolia itself about Beijing's long-term intentions.

Calling Genghis a Chinese hero is even drawing quiet protest within China, where many people retain the more traditional view that he was a barbarian invader and some are simply annoyed at what appears a blatant abuse of historical fact.

The official justification rests essentially on the view that Genghis is Chinese because his successors ruled China as emperors and many Mongolians live within Chinese state borders today.

It is an argument waved aside by critics such as one contributor to the popular Hefei discussion website who goes by the name Dagui.

“Now there are quite a few Mongolians in China, and they have Chinese citizenship – but that does not make Mongolians [of Genghis's era] Chinese,” Dagui wrote. “If your grandson moves to the US, gets a green card and becomes a US citizen, that will not mean that you and your dad were Americans!”


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: chinesecommunists; genghiskhan; genocide; godsgravesglyphs; mongolmassmurderers; propaganda; revisionisthistory
Typical.

Chinese are masters at propaganda.

1 posted on 12/29/2006 4:04:23 PM PST by maui_hawaii
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2 posted on 12/29/2006 4:05:21 PM PST by monkapotamus
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To: maui_hawaii

Make sense. In the next 20 years I expect france to claim Hitler as their own.


3 posted on 12/29/2006 4:06:24 PM PST by Porterville (Destroy the Death Culture of Socialism)
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To: maui_hawaii; monkapotamus; All

KHANNNNNNNN


4 posted on 12/29/2006 4:06:28 PM PST by SevenofNine ("Step aside Jefe"=Det Lennie Briscoe)
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To: maui_hawaii

"China claims Genghis Khan as its own"



because it reminds them of Kerry?


5 posted on 12/29/2006 4:07:01 PM PST by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: maui_hawaii
The "Mon" are certainly one of the stars on the Chicom flag.

As far as rehabilitating Ghengis Khan's reputation, that happened ages ago as folks noted that he reopened world trade routes, rationalized everyone's taxes, and came up with some realistic standards for religious tolerance.

He's also the direct ancestor of 15% of all the people in the area of Mongol conquest.

6 posted on 12/29/2006 4:07:36 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: SevenofNine
Damn Mongolians (video) <-- hehehe!
7 posted on 12/29/2006 4:07:36 PM PST by monkapotamus
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To: SevenofNine

8 posted on 12/29/2006 4:09:01 PM PST by monkapotamus
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To: Porterville
Not all Chinese people are dillusional.

Just the Mainland ones who read propaganda newspapers.

9 posted on 12/29/2006 4:09:51 PM PST by maui_hawaii
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To: monkapotamus

Well if I didn't do nobody would I don't think

BTW MONK YEAH that South Park video ROFL

Damn mongolians I have feeling one of creators of South Park is History Channel buff ROFL


10 posted on 12/29/2006 4:10:26 PM PST by SevenofNine ("Step aside Jefe"=Det Lennie Briscoe)
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To: maui_hawaii

The ChiComs have absolutely no shame when it comes to lying, scheming, and cheating. This is all a bunch of revisionist hooey.

Genghiz Khan hated the Chinese and defeated them time and again.


11 posted on 12/29/2006 4:10:33 PM PST by indcons (The Koran - the world's first WMD.)
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To: indcons
The ChiComs have absolutely no shame when it comes to lying, scheming, and cheating. This is all a bunch of revisionist hooey.

And that about sums up this 'news' article here folks.

12 posted on 12/29/2006 4:11:56 PM PST by maui_hawaii
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To: Gengis Khan; CarrotAndStick

"More Chinese lies" ping


13 posted on 12/29/2006 4:12:20 PM PST by indcons (The Koran - the world's first WMD.)
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To: monkapotamus

That would be "Jen-gis" Kahn.


14 posted on 12/29/2006 4:13:18 PM PST by My2Cents ("Friends stab you from the front." -- Oscar Wilde)
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To: indcons; TigerLikesRooster; Jet Jaguar; AmericanInTokyo; All

Tiger Jet and AIT you like this I THINK


15 posted on 12/29/2006 4:13:47 PM PST by SevenofNine ("Step aside Jefe"=Det Lennie Briscoe)
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To: indcons
He hated the Moslems too, but ended up bringing a number of them into his government.

So, who was it Ghenghis Khan loved? One story which is popular among the various dwarf families among the Polar People is that Ghengis Khan visited Sapmai, and his distant cousins, sometime during the period where he was wiping out Chinese left and right.

The story is he had a good time and left in peace.

16 posted on 12/29/2006 4:14:41 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: SevenofNine

17 posted on 12/29/2006 4:15:14 PM PST by monkapotamus
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To: My2Cents
That would be "Jen-gis" Kahn.

"Jenjis".
18 posted on 12/29/2006 4:15:25 PM PST by marsh_of_mists
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To: SevenofNine; TigerLikesRooster

We should send out a 'Chinese people on crack' Ping.


19 posted on 12/29/2006 4:16:05 PM PST by maui_hawaii
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To: marsh_of_mists

Yes, I struggled with the phonics.


20 posted on 12/29/2006 4:17:07 PM PST by My2Cents ("Friends stab you from the front." -- Oscar Wilde)
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To: monkapotamus

MONGOLIANSSS tear down the wall of South Park ping LOL!


21 posted on 12/29/2006 4:18:37 PM PST by SevenofNine ("Step aside Jefe"=Det Lennie Briscoe)
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To: maui_hawaii; Paul Ross; Jeff Head; Carl/NewsMax; Sean Osborne Lomax; lizol; Alamo-Girl; ...

Let us consider this within the context of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization. The area currently encompassed by the SCO is oddly similar to the area encompassed by the Mongol Empire / Yuan Dynasty at its peak. The SCO's mandarins are accomplished men and have studied their history. Whereas, the Khannate was a tributary system, wherein the Russians and other Eastern Slavic and Central Asian peoples were clearly second class subjects, this newer version boasts equality of all involved parties.

This newer version also plays from the strengths of its members - Russia brings commodity wealth, an advanced world smashing military, and a certain style of play which is quite useful in dealing with Europe and North America - China brings industrial and technological might, a population of over 1 billion, money savvy, and a way of fighting that will prove an enigma to the West.

This new Empire is in its earliest infancy - most in the West cannot comprehend its ways let alone its mere existence. God help us.


22 posted on 12/29/2006 4:20:12 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: maui_hawaii; Howlin; onyx; Clemenza; Petronski; GummyIII; SevenofNine; veronica; Xenalyte; ...

This sounds like a real Khan job to me.


23 posted on 12/29/2006 4:21:50 PM PST by EveningStar
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To: monkapotamus

Some people think that old Sam Walton was Genghis Khan re-encarnated.

24 posted on 12/29/2006 4:22:34 PM PST by UnklGene
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To: EveningStar

What are Mongolians what are the ancenster they not Chinese not at all ES look at your history


25 posted on 12/29/2006 4:24:29 PM PST by SevenofNine ("Step aside Jefe"=Det Lennie Briscoe)
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To: GOP_1900AD

Disclosure - I am a descendent of both some of the Western Slavs who fought the Mongols, as well as a descendent of some of the Eastern Slavs and hence, the Mongols.


26 posted on 12/29/2006 4:24:32 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: EveningStar

LOL!!


27 posted on 12/29/2006 4:25:22 PM PST by maui_hawaii
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To: EveningStar
This sounds like a real Khan job to me.


KHAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

28 posted on 12/29/2006 4:26:34 PM PST by JRios1968 (Tagline wanted...inquire within)
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To: SevenofNine

I'm probably part Mongolian.


29 posted on 12/29/2006 4:26:40 PM PST by EveningStar
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To: monkapotamus

They can't have him. According to Jawn Carey he is like us!


30 posted on 12/29/2006 4:27:44 PM PST by dforest (Liberals love crisis, create crisis and then dwell on them.)
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To: EveningStar

Hey I might be part Mongolian I am 1/4 Russian LOL!


31 posted on 12/29/2006 4:28:05 PM PST by SevenofNine ("Step aside Jefe"=Det Lennie Briscoe)
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To: GOP_1900AD
Let us put it this way...this is how the old style emperors operated too.

They would decree whatever is 'theirs' and hence colonization would take place...

Anyone who argued was screwed.

Check out my new tag line...

32 posted on 12/29/2006 4:28:42 PM PST by maui_hawaii (China: proudly revising history for over 2000 years and counting.)
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Not surprising that they would try & claim him. I think they must seem him as a role model. Perhaps they are just attempting to make a political statement.



33 posted on 12/29/2006 4:31:35 PM PST by Republic_of_Secession.
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To: maui_hawaii

That is indeed a cool tag line!


34 posted on 12/29/2006 4:46:35 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: indcons

There is a somewhat fictional book about Marco Polo and his journeys in china/tibet/indochina/india. He tells of the "fondler" : if you got a 100 day sentence from the Khan it meant the fondler had to keep you alive for 100 days as he took you apart one nerve at a time : maximum torture. Then Marco found out how to make explosives transportable(formerly they had to be mixed on-site and used immediately). Thus they used bombs to create a landslide on 2 sides of a valley to bury the sung army. They first suited up tibetans(expendable nothings to the mongols)in mongol uniforms, marched them into the valley floor; sungs pounced on them : blow the cliffs and bury the whole bunch. Typical oriental method of war..... Then the Khan sent Marco to india to find the Tooth of Buddha and see if it was worth conquering. He looked around there : too many languages, peoples = not worth it. Only later they conquered part of india. Ironically, it was the mongols that stopped the islamic wave from moving into asia. They weren't PC, they knew how to chop off islamic heads by the pile-ful. In fact, their horse-polo game originally used islamic heads as the "ball". As to Ghengis Khan being chinese, that's a joke. A parallel would be rome conquering greece : military rulers adopting the local cultural elements that were useful to them, but still ROMAN.


35 posted on 12/29/2006 4:53:20 PM PST by timer (n/0=n=nx0)
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To: GOP_1900AD
Here is another one I was thinking of...

China: We have an illustrious history of revision!

36 posted on 12/29/2006 4:53:57 PM PST by maui_hawaii (China: proudly revising history for over 2000 years and counting.)
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To: maui_hawaii

I like your tagline ROFL


37 posted on 12/29/2006 5:00:29 PM PST by SevenofNine ("Step aside Jefe"=Det Lennie Briscoe)
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To: maui_hawaii

The Chinese continue to invent reasons why they are the rightful owners of all of Asia... Adopting Genghis Khan is one way of saying that they have a claim to everything he ever conquered.


38 posted on 12/29/2006 5:17:05 PM PST by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: indcons
The ChiComs have absolutely no shame when it comes to lying, scheming, and cheating. This is all a bunch of revisionist hooey.

It is the "Com" part of the ChiComs. Communists. The most vile of political animals.

39 posted on 12/29/2006 5:19:05 PM PST by VRW Conspirator (If I were two-faced, would I be wearing this one? -Abraham Lincoln)
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To: maui_hawaii; tallhappy; Dr. Marten; Jeff Head; Tainan; hedgetrimmer; Unam Sanctam; Brian Allen; ...
Chicom smokes crack, ping!
40 posted on 12/29/2006 6:10:10 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster
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To: SevenofNine

In Uzbekistan I listened (watched, mostly) as beautiful Uzbek girls spoke proudly of "Temujin" as one of the more famous conquerors to use their corner of Central Asia as an east-west invasion route. Their other favorite was Tamerlane, buried in nearby Samarqand. They are also big fans of Alexander the Great. "Are those your only heroes?", I asked. "We Uzbeks admire only poets and conquerors" was the reply.

Is Temujin the real name of Genghis Khan?

Zdravstvui!


41 posted on 12/29/2006 6:19:55 PM PST by elcid1970
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To: TigerLikesRooster

yeah...I saw this one. Its not going to set real well with the Mongolians. They are real "feisty" about their history being re-written.


42 posted on 12/29/2006 6:26:37 PM PST by Tainan (New & Improved, just in time for the Christmas and New Years Holidays!)
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Re #42

As far as people outside China are concerned, certainly including Mongolians, Genghis Khan's Mongols conquered China, not the other way around.

This is the instance of Chinese insecurity masquerading as Chinese superiority.

43 posted on 12/29/2006 7:21:13 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster
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To: elcid1970

Yes, Temujin was his real name. He took the name Genghiz Khan after he was crowned "Kagan" or "Ruler of all people who live in felt tents."


44 posted on 12/29/2006 7:23:47 PM PST by indcons (The Koran - the world's first WMD.)
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To: elcid1970; timer

Some interesting facts: The Uzbeks were conquered by Genghiz Khan and his forces totally wiped out the Uzbek/Kazakh/Turkmen Muslim culture that existed in the then-Islamic sultanate of Khwarzaim. It was this event that caused the Turkmen (now called the Turks) to move from Central Asia into what's now called Turkey.

Tamerlane was a direct descendant of Genghiz Khan but belonged to the subsequent Ilkhan dynasty that converted to Islam and later waged civil war against the Mongol homeland AKA the Golden Horde. In fact, the collapse of the Mongol empire in West Asia came about because of the conversion of the Ilkhan branch of the Mongol horde that subsequently allied with the Arabs to defeat their mostly shamanist/Buddhist blood brothers.

The Islamic mongols who settled in Persia and became devout muslims appeared in India as the hated Moghul/Mogul dynasty that opened a new chapter of Islamic barbarism in South Asia.


45 posted on 12/29/2006 7:31:45 PM PST by indcons (The Koran - the world's first WMD.)
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To: indcons

Ok, now the scales : how much creative GOOD has islam done vs how much EVIL has islam done.


46 posted on 12/29/2006 8:39:49 PM PST by timer (n/0=n=nx0)
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To: indcons

"China claims Genghis Khan as its own"

I thought it was the other way round.


47 posted on 12/29/2006 9:06:36 PM PST by Gengis Khan
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To: GOP_1900AD

Thanks for the ping!


48 posted on 12/29/2006 9:27:01 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: indcons

"The Uzbeks were conquered by Genghis Khan...and their culture wiped out"

I was told that Uzbekistan as we now know it did not coalesce into a national identity until the 1400's, the ruler was named `Uhlan Beg" or something.

Any info?


49 posted on 12/30/2006 1:37:51 PM PST by elcid1970
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Note: this topic is dated 10/29/2006.

Thanks maui_hawaii.

Just adding to the catalog, not sending a general distribution.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


50 posted on 04/20/2013 4:03:00 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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