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The New York Post ^ | December 30, 2006 | By RALPH PETERS

Posted on 12/30/2006 9:00:22 AM PST by .cnI redruM

SADDAM Hussein is dead. The mighty dictator met a criminal's end on the gallows. The murderer responsible for 1 1/2 million corpses is just a bag of bones.

For decades, the world pandered to his fantasies, overlooking his brutality in return for strategic advantages or naked profit. Diplomats, including our own, courted him, while the world's democracies and their competitors vied to sell him arms.

Saddam always bluffed - even, fatally, about weapons of mass destruction - but the world declined to call him on his excesses. Massacres went unpunished. His invasions of neighboring states failed to draw serious punishment. He never faced personal consequences until our troops reached Baghdad (a dozen years late).

As long as Saddam paid sufficient bribes and granted the right concessions to the well-connected, the world shut its eyes to his cavalcade of atrocities. Even when his soldiers raped Kuwait, the United Nations barely summoned the will to expel his military - and the alliance led by the United States declined to liberate Iraq itself from a tyrant with a sea of blood on his hands.

Everything changed in 2003. For all of its later errors in Iraq, the Bush administration altered the course of history for the better.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: execution; iraq; newyorkpost; ralphpeters; saddam; sicsempertyrannis; swuftjustice
That should answer a few questions about whether America really means it when we say something to the world....
1 posted on 12/30/2006 9:00:26 AM PST by .cnI redruM
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To: .cnI redruM

The moral legitimacy of the execution of Saddam Hussein.


Excerpts from the Catholic Encyclopedia

Tyrannicide literally is the killing of a tyrant, and usually is taken to mean the killing of a tyrant by a private person for the common good. There are two classes of tyrants whose circumstances are widely apart -- tyrants by usurpation and tyrants by oppression. A tyrant by usurpation (tyrannus in titula) is one who unjustly displaces or attempts to displace the legitimate supreme ruler, and he can be considered in the act of usurpation or in subsequent peaceful possession of the supreme power. A tyrant by oppression (tyrannus in regimine) is a supreme ruler who uses his power arbitrarily and oppressively.


While actually attacking the powers that be, a tyrant by usurpation is a traitor acting against the common weal, and, like any other criminal, may be put to death by legitimate authority. If possible, the legitimate authority must use the ordinary forms of law in condemning the tyrant to death, but if this is not possible, it can proceed informally and grant individuals a mandate to inflict the capital punishment. St. Thomas (In II Sent., d. XLIV, Q. ii, a. 2), Suarez (Def. fidei, VI, iv, 7), and the majority of authorized theologians say that private individuals have a tacit mandate from legitimate authority to kill the usurper when no other means of ridding the community of the tyrant are available.


Looking on a tyrant by oppression as a public enemy, many authorities claimed for his subjects the right of putting him to death in defense of the common good. Amongst these were John of Salisbury in the twelfth century (Polycraticus III, 15; IV, 1; VIII, 17), and John Parvus (Jehan Petit) in the fifteenth century. The Council of Constance (1415) condemned as contrary to faith and morals the following proposition:

"Any vassal or subject can lawfully and meritoriously kill, and ought to kill, any tyrant. He may even, for this purpose, avail himself of ambushes, and wily expressions of affection or of adulation, notwithstanding any oath or pact imposed upon him by the tyrant, and without waiting for the sentence or order of any judge." (Session XV)

Subsequently a few Catholics defended, with many limitations and safeguards, the right of subjects to kill a tyrannical ruler. Foremost amongst these was the Spanish Jesuit Mariana. In his book, "De rege et regis institutione" (Toledo, 1599), he held that people ought to bear with a tyrant as long as possible, and to take action only when his oppression surpassed all bounds. They ought to come together and give him a warning; this being of no avail they ought to declare him a public enemy and put him to death. If no public judgment could be given, and if the people were unanimous, any subject might, if possible, kill him by open, but not by secret means. The book was dedicated to Philip III of Spain and was written at the request of his tutor Garcias de Loaysa, who afterwards became Bishop of Toledo. It was published at Toledo in the printing-office of Pedro Rodrigo, printer to the king, with the approbation of Pedro de Oñ, Provincial of the Mercedarians of Madrid, and with the permission of Stephen Hojeda, visitor of the Society of Jesus in the Province of Toledo (see JUAN MARIANA).

Great theologians of the Church like St. Thomas (II-II, Q. xlii, a.2), Suarez (Def. fidei, VI, iv, 15), and Bañez, O.P. (De justitia et jure, Q. lxiv, a. 3), permitted rebellion against oppressive rulers when the tyranny had become extreme and when no other means of safety were available. This merely carried to its logical conclusion the doctrine of the Middle Ages that the supreme ruling authority comes from God through the people for the public good. As the people immediately give sovereignty to the ruler, so the people can deprive him of his sovereignty when he has used his power oppressively.

Many authorities, e.g. Suarez (Def. fiedei, VI, iv, 18), held that the State, but not private persons, could, if necessary, condemn the tyrant to death. In recent times Catholic authors, for the most part, deny that subjects have the right to rebel against and depose an unjust ruler, except in the case when the ruler was appointed under the condition that he would lose his power if he abused it. In proof of this teaching they appeal to the Syllabus of Pius IX, in which this proposition is condemned: "It is lawful to refuse obedience to legitimate princes, and even to rebel" (prop. 63). While denying the right of rebellion in the strict sense whose direct object is the deposition of the tyrannical ruler, many Catholic writers, such as Crolly, Cathrein, de Bie, Zigliara, admit the right of subjects not only to adopt an attitude of passive resistance against unjust laws, but also in extreme cases to assume a state of active defensive resistance against the actual aggression of a legitimate, but oppressive ruler.

Many of the Reformers were more or less in favour of tyrannicide. Luther held that the whole community could condemn the tyrant to death (Sämmtliche Werke", LXII, Frankfort-on-the-Main and Erlangen, 1854, 201, 206). Melanchthon said that the killing of a tyrant is the most agreeable offering that man can make to God (Corp. Ref., III, Halle, 1836, 1076).

2 posted on 12/30/2006 9:10:39 AM PST by Dqban22
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To: .cnI redruM

Too bad Dan RATher couldn't have been along side of him...

3 posted on 12/30/2006 9:13:09 AM PST by johnny7 ("We took a hell of a beating." -'Vinegar Joe' Stilwell)
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To: johnny7

Although I am not one for capital punishment, I accept that I am outnumbered. I do relish idealism over cynical realism.

4 posted on 12/30/2006 9:29:38 AM PST by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: .cnI redruM

BUH BYE, Saddam...send me a postcard from hell...

5 posted on 12/30/2006 9:51:40 AM PST by TampaDude (If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the PROBLEM!!!)
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To: .cnI redruM

I would have preferred he got his throat slit by the mother of one of his victims.

6 posted on 12/30/2006 10:42:32 AM PST by msnimje (You simply cannot be Christian and Pro-Abortion.)
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To: msnimje

As it is, his throat is in no condition to handle tequila shots or raw oysters. I'm relieved to see an evil dictator on the receiving end for a change.

7 posted on 12/30/2006 11:51:31 AM PST by .cnI redruM (Free enterprise will pave the road to the stars!)
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To: .cnI redruM


8 posted on 12/30/2006 11:58:23 AM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Dqban22

Who cares what the Catholic Teachings Are? What pedantic Bull $hit! Here is the reason for Sadam's execution, and for that you don't have to subscribe to any religious teachings, being human is enough: Kurdish Halapja, 1998 ( Thank You Bill Clinton)

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9 posted on 12/30/2006 12:13:07 PM PST by Candor7 (Into Liberal flatulance goes the best hope of the West, and who wants to be a smart feller?)
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To: .cnI redruM
Sic Semper Tyrannis Bump

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

10 posted on 12/30/2006 4:05:17 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: .cnI redruM

It shows what PART of America can do - there's another and sizeable part of America who couldn't care less about the Saddam's of the world unless they somehow interfere with immediate gratifications.

The same held for Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan prior to Pearl Harbor and World War II.

It's worse now because there are multiple of multiple routes/channels to the most extremes of self-gratification and the ignoring of reality, even when it is life threatening.

11 posted on 12/30/2006 9:00:44 PM PST by mtntop3
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To: mtntop3's a video that shows the drop...

12 posted on 12/31/2006 7:12:29 AM PST by TampaDude (If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the PROBLEM!!!)
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To: .cnI redruM; melancholy; ExTexasRedhead; Marysecretary

What a great thread!!! Thank you!

13 posted on 12/31/2006 7:17:35 AM PST by Nancee ((Nancee Lynn Cheney))
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To: Nancee

Thanks. Try this one also..

14 posted on 12/31/2006 7:19:17 AM PST by .cnI redruM (Free enterprise will pave the road to the stars!)
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To: .cnI redruM
"Try this one also.."

I did. It's at least as good!!


15 posted on 12/31/2006 7:37:54 AM PST by Nancee ((Nancee Lynn Cheney))
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To: .cnI redruM


16 posted on 12/31/2006 7:48:06 AM PST by Nancee ((Nancee Lynn Cheney))
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