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Hillary falls to earth in poll race
The Sunday Times ^ | December 31, 2006 | Tony Allen-Mills

Posted on 12/30/2006 6:26:31 PM PST by neverdem

THE first vote is still more than a year away, but the campaign to replace President George W Bush in the White House is already throwing up surprises.

Unfortunately for Senator Hillary Clinton, long the front-runner in the Democratic drive to retake the presidency, most of them are coming at her expense.

A brace of Christmas opinion polls has left Clinton with a political hangover after a year that had appeared to cement her status as the Democrats’ best-organised, best-financed and best-connected contender for her party’s presidential nomination.

Despite winning re-election to the US Senate by a handsome margin in mid-term voting last month, Clinton has had little to celebrate as polls from the presidential primary battlegrounds signalled early trouble for her historic bid to become America’s first woman president.

In Iowa, the Midwestern state that will once again open the primary season with its caucus votes on January 14, 2008, Clinton slumped to fourth place with only 10% of the vote in a survey of 600 likely Democratic voters.

In New Hampshire, which will hold the first full primary eight days later, Clinton had appeared to be cruising comfortably with a 23-point lead over her Democrat rivals — until last weekend, when a poll in the Concord Monitor newspaper showed her only one point ahead of Senator Barack Obama, the comparative political newcomer who is considering a similarly historic attempt to become America’s first black president.

Obama’s emergence as a charismatic alternative to the Democratic party’s veteran leadership — and the arrival in the race last week of former Senator John Edwards, the losing vice-presidential candidate in 2004 — have electrified Washington and placed Clinton under early pressure to abandon her cautious approach to the presidency and take to the hustings months earlier than she might have planned.

Several Democratic strategists last week urged Clinton to unleash a “charisma offensive” in the new year to counter the saturated media coverage that has helped propel Obama up the polls.

Clinton has been virtually invisible as first Obama and then Edwards — who launched his second presidential bid on Thursday in the back garden of a New Orleans house ruined by Hurricane Katrina — have been grabbing campaign headlines.

Last week’s Iowa poll showed Obama and Edwards tied for the primary lead with 22% each.

Clinton supporters argued that their candidate’s poor showing — she was also beaten by Tom Vilsack, the Iowa governor who is considering his own bid for the White House — reflected the fact that she was focused on her Senate re-election in New York and did not visit Iowa this year.

Yet Obama hasn’t visited Iowa either, and the same poll found that both Obama and Edwards would perform better than Clinton against the likely frontrunners for the Republican nomination — former New York mayor Rudolph Giuliani and Senator John McCain of Arizona.

“She’s in a quandary right now,” acknowledged Ray Strother, a longtime Democratic political consultant.

“She doesn’t need to start a war of any kind, but I don’t think she knows how to handle [Obama],” Strother said. “I think they’re preoccupied with it right now.”

Neither Clinton nor Obama has formally declared that they will be candidates, but Obama, the son of a black Kenyan father and a white mother from Kansas, is widely expected to confirm his intentions after spending Christmas in Hawaii discussing the contest with his family.

Before leaving home in Chicago, Obama and his wife Michelle attended a meeting with advisers who presented a campaign simulation complete with mock travel schedules to illustrate the gruelling demands of the race.

Michelle Obama had previously expressed concern that her husband might be vulnerable to a racist assassination attempt, but local reports suggest she has been reassured by secret service briefings on how the 45-year-old senator would be protected.

Clinton, meanwhile, needs no reminder of the perils of the presidency. As the first former first lady to run for the White House, she is not only a battle-hardened campaigner, but she counts among her advisers arguably the shrewdest political strategist in America — her husband, former president Bill Clinton.

Few presidents have been as adept as Clinton at charming ordinary voters, but opinion polls have repeatedly indicated that much of America regards Hillary as cold, calculating, strident and ideological.

In one Gallup poll last month 13% said they disliked her 9% said she was riding her husband’s coat-tails and 6% called her dishonest.

Both Democrats and Republicans who have worked with the senator in Washington say those negative ratings are unfair, but the challenge for Hillary is to persuade voters — especially in Iowa and New Hampshire — that she can be as warm and likeable as her husband.

“People need to get to know her,” said Doug Hattaway, a Washington strategist.

He said he would advise Clinton: “Forget the press. Forget the politics. Talk to the voters. There’s no substitute for getting on the ground and interacting with people”.

For the other contenders who are hovering at the margins of the race, the main hope is that Democratic voters will prove reluctant to make the unprecedented choice of either a black or a woman in a year when so important an opportunity beckons and Republicans may be vulnerable because of opposition to the war in Iraq. Edwards has already staked out his claim to be the leading white male contender should either Clinton or Obama stumble.

Senator Joseph Biden, who will assume the chairmanship of the Senate’s foreign affairs committee, may throw in his hat as a possible vice-presidential choice.

There is a vociferous group of liberal Democrats who hope that former vice-president Al Gore can be persuaded to avenge his loss to Bush in 2000.

Even Senator John Kerry, the defeated candidate in 2004, is muttering about a second attempt, although few Democrats appear to be encouraging him.

For now, though, the battle is between Obama and Clinton, neither of whom are likely to wait long before paying their first campaign visits to Iowa.


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: boothill; charisma; clintonmania; donotbedeceived; dyingcampaign; electionpresident; fakenewyorker; hellary; hildabeaste; hiliary; hillary; hitlery; medialies; osamarama; uglywomen
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To: RunningWolf
Obama himself was a Muslim for 25 years, and likely only converted for the convenience of political ambition. More than anything else, his deep Muslim roots should worry a person.

Are you sure of that?

51 posted on 12/30/2006 7:24:56 PM PST by thiscouldbemoreconfusing
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To: neverdem

Lots of serious delusions in this article.


52 posted on 12/30/2006 7:30:12 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: TASMANIANRED
"Hillary is about as charismatic as a hemorrhoid , and as likeable as a tarantula."

That description is PERFECT!

53 posted on 12/30/2006 7:30:26 PM PST by albee (The best thing you can do for the poor is.....not be one of them. - Eric Hoffer)
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To: neverdem

unleash a “charisma offensive”

urged Herve Villachez to unleash his "height offensive" and take the ball to the hole against Shaq.

http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0898199/


54 posted on 12/30/2006 7:32:55 PM PST by sgtyork (Prove to us that you can enforce the borders first)
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To: neverdem

“People need to get to know her,” said Doug Hattaway, a Washington strategist"

I already know all I need to know about this Satan's whore.


55 posted on 12/30/2006 7:35:34 PM PST by SAMS ("I may look harmless, but I raised a U.S. MARINE!" Army Wife & Marine Mom)
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To: RunningWolf
More than anything else, his deep Muslim roots should worry a person

There is nothing really out there to back that up, other then the fact that his father, who he didn't know and his step father, who his mother left when he was young was a Muslim

Don't go after the Muslim issue .. go after his record .. go after his double talking out of both sides of his mouth .. go after the fact, that in his 2nd book he boast liberal and progressive causes .. go after the fact he is a socialist

But don't go after the religion .. it will only back fire and cause the independents to vote for him

Obama is a cross between Bill Clinton and Jesse Jackson .. he is a smooth talker who knows how to work the system .. especially when the system won't ask him the tough questions about what he says

56 posted on 12/30/2006 7:36:49 PM PST by Mo1
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To: TASMANIANRED
Hillary is about as charismatic as a hemorrhoid , and as likeable as a tarantula.

I think it works better the other way around!

57 posted on 12/30/2006 7:37:04 PM PST by FatherofFive (Choose life!)
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To: neverdem

She may be the most well financed and with all the clintonistas and MSM to do her bidding, but I truely believe if she gets the nods from the democrats, she will lose in a much bigger fashion than Kerry did.

She's a perfect fit for liberal elitist NYC, but out side of that and California, she's dead meat, especially with the south.
When it comes down to it, 8 years was way more than this country could stomach having a Clinton in the whitehouse.


58 posted on 12/30/2006 7:38:57 PM PST by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: TASMANIANRED
Hillary is about as charismatic as a hemorrhoid , and as likeable as a tarantula.

Doesn't matter .. she's a women and will get alot of the women voter and she knows it

Think about it .. they don't care what we think .. they know we will never vote for them

They are going after the independent voters

59 posted on 12/30/2006 7:39:32 PM PST by Mo1
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To: montag813
The problem with Obama is he is one of the few candidates out there for who Hillary doesn't posses an FBI file

You may have hit the proverbial nail on the head.

60 posted on 12/30/2006 7:49:13 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: neverdem

Ordinarily an early poll wouldn't mean a thing, but Hillary Clinton is extremely well-known. There's nothing she can do to bring those numbers up where she needs them.


61 posted on 12/30/2006 7:50:35 PM PST by Graymatter
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To: neverdem
For now, though, the battle is between Obama and Clinton

On the one hand, neither of these two oily scumbags would appear to have the slightest chance to ever be elected nationally. On the other hand, the chance that there could be a particularly poor GOP candidate together with some weird electoral aberration sends chills down my spine.

62 posted on 12/30/2006 7:55:41 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Mo1
"Hillary is about as charismatic as a hemorrhoid , and as likeable as a tarantula.

Doesn't matter .. she's a women and will get alot of the women voter and she knows it

You got it! She just plans on continuing on the Liberal talk show circuit, for free, and with the votes of the soap opera watchers/talk show fans, she's got plenty of room to wait to spend any of her Hollywood-donated Leftist loot.

When 2008 rolls around, it's gonna be ALL HILLARY, ALL THE TIME......

63 posted on 12/30/2006 7:56:59 PM PST by traditional1
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To: neverdem
Hillary lacks charisma and leadership qualities. Seems more like a bored housewife with her "listening tours" to avoid answering questions.

Obama also lacks charisma and experience. He is an empty suit. However, the media keeps insisting that he is charismatic. Basically he is a creation of the media that is trying to manipulate the election.

64 posted on 12/30/2006 8:03:22 PM PST by Dante3
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To: neverdem
Has the charisma offensive begun with the NY Post's coverage of Herself's Caribbean holiday? Full-page photo in today's paper strolling hand in hand on the beach with her adoring husband.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/12302006/news/nationalnews/fine__sandy_nationalnews_maggie_haberman.htm
65 posted on 12/30/2006 8:07:06 PM PST by Miss Didi
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To: neverdem
Several Democratic strategists last week urged Clinton to unleash a “charisma offensive”


We're two wild and crazy guys ready to unleash some offensive charisma.

66 posted on 12/30/2006 8:19:13 PM PST by sully777 (You have flies in your eyes--Catch-22)
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To: Miss Didi; Howlin; onyx; Dog; Peach
From your link

December 30, 2006 -- She may soon be embroiled in a race for the White House, but Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's cares were miles away as she strolled a pristine Caribbean beach with her husband yesterday

Ummm didn't that do this before ??

and I sure hope that we are spared pictures this time

67 posted on 12/30/2006 8:20:20 PM PST by Mo1
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To: Mo1

LOL! I hear ya, but please, please, please post any photos you find. :)


68 posted on 12/30/2006 8:21:56 PM PST by onyx (Phillip Rivers, LT and the San Diego Chargers! WOO-HOO!)
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To: Mo1
There was a most sickening photo in the paper, not on line. The typical strolling lovebirds having a deep discussion on the beach while a photographer captures the moment. Bubba was wearing a navy t-shirt that looked like it had the presidential seal on the pocket and they were both carrying their shoes. I couldn't look long enough to catch her get-up but I'm certain it involved pants this time.
69 posted on 12/30/2006 8:27:31 PM PST by Miss Didi
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To: Miss Didi
I couldn't look long enough to catch her get-up but I'm certain it involved pants this time.

LOL!!!

71 posted on 12/30/2006 8:29:32 PM PST by onyx (Phillip Rivers, LT and the San Diego Chargers! WOO-HOO!)
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To: Cogadh na Sith


We have had Presidents assassinated but they were white. So I would like to tell these two wives that it can happen no matter what the race.


72 posted on 12/30/2006 8:30:06 PM PST by BlueAngel
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To: neverdem; All
Despite winning re-election to the US Senate by a handsome margin in mid-term voting last month, Clinton has had little to celebrate as polls from the presidential primary battlegrounds signalled early trouble for her historic bid to become America's first woman president.

A HILLARY 'LANDSLIDE'??? NOT SO FAST, MISSUS CLINTON....


THE 'MATERNALIZATION' OF HILLARY
(CLINTON MACHINE DUMPS THATCHER FOR 'MOTHER')
HOW THE CLINTONS ARE HANDLING THE HILLARY DUD FACTOR 5

73 posted on 12/30/2006 8:35:23 PM PST by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: Miss Didi; onyx
Wow .. sounds like such a spontaneous romantic moment they had ... with their photographer

And Yes Onyx, I'm looking for that picture *L*
74 posted on 12/30/2006 8:46:43 PM PST by Mo1
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To: neverdem
Several Democratic strategists last week urged Clinton to unleash a "charisma offensive" in the new year to counter the saturated media coverage that has helped propel Obama up the polls.

Hillary falls to earth in poll race
The Sunday Times ^ | December 31, 2006 | Tony Allen-Mills



Preposterous!--neverdem

Indeed.

The upshot of all this vacuity are positive numbers for hillary (such as they are) that are inversely related to appearance frequency, and, more specifically, inversely related to the following mouth variables: magnitude of agape, amplitude and frequency of effluvia.

The bottom line is this paradox: In order for hillary clinton to have any chance of winning elections, she must all but vanish from the public stage.

SEX, LIES AND SOCK PUPPETS:
HOW THE CLINTONS ARE HANDLING THE HILLARY DUD FACTOR 4

by Mia T, 3.22.06


75 posted on 12/30/2006 8:47:04 PM PST by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: Mo1
And Yes Onyx, I'm looking for that picture *L*

I "knew" you would..........LOL

76 posted on 12/30/2006 8:48:38 PM PST by onyx (Phillip Rivers, LT and the San Diego Chargers! WOO-HOO!)
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To: TASMANIANRED

Hey... I like tarantulas
;)


77 posted on 12/30/2006 8:57:07 PM PST by MrJapan
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To: ilgipper

Laura Bush for Pres!


78 posted on 12/30/2006 8:57:07 PM PST by MrJapan
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To: AnAmericanMother
. . . paranoia, or just a little race-baiting by the reporter?

Race-baiting... by Mrs. Obama.

A pathetic plea for liberal guilt votes.

79 posted on 12/30/2006 9:00:42 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: MrJapan

From a distance, from a distance.


80 posted on 12/30/2006 9:04:23 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (All I want for Christmas is a new tag line.)
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To: neverdem
“People need to get to know her,” said Doug Hattaway, a Washington strategist.

It's not like we don't already know her very well. Just who is he trying to kid?

81 posted on 12/30/2006 9:25:46 PM PST by jerry639
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To: onyx

I still haven't found it .. even the gossip sites don't have it

Though I did read that Norah O'Donnell is expecting twins in late spring


82 posted on 12/30/2006 9:25:52 PM PST by Mo1
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To: neverdem

Senators for president? Not gonna happen.The Presidency is the executive branch as is the governorships of the states. What is it with these senators that they dont get this?


83 posted on 12/30/2006 9:29:54 PM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: Mo1


Who's her husband?


84 posted on 12/30/2006 9:31:24 PM PST by onyx (Phillip Rivers, LT and the San Diego Chargers! WOO-HOO!)
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To: neverdem

This is not necessary since the voting-dead generally aren't swayed by a lack of charisma.


85 posted on 12/30/2006 9:35:19 PM PST by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL ( **Hunter-Tancredo-Weldon-Hayworth 4 President**)
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To: Mo1

OLD joke, but I like it.....

Clinton is vacationing

Last summer, the President and Mrs. Clinton were vacationing in their home state of Arkansas. On a venture one day, they stopped at a service station to fill up the car with gas. It seemed that the owner of the station was once Hillary's high school love.

They exchanged hellos, and went on their way.

As they were driving on to their destination, Bill put his arm around Hillary and said, "Well, honey, if you had stayed with him, you would be the wife of a service station owner today."

She smirked and replied, "No, if I had stayed with him, he would be President of the United States."


86 posted on 12/30/2006 9:37:19 PM PST by onyx (Phillip Rivers, LT and the San Diego Chargers! WOO-HOO!)
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To: neverdem
The Clinton royalty will not allow some mere black guy to take the crown Hildebeast believes is hers to wear.

If any "racist" salvos are lofted Obananna's way, it'll be from the Oh so non-racist and all-inclusive Lefty Liberals who want their own megalo---errr....non-traditional candidate to run for president.

87 posted on 12/30/2006 9:39:02 PM PST by Thumper1960 (Unleash the Dogs of War as a Minority, or perish as a party.)
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To: onyx

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/27/AR2006122701483.html

Looks like double diaper duty is in the future for MSNBC chief Washington correspondent Norah O'Donnell and her restaurateur husband, Geoff Tracey.


88 posted on 12/30/2006 9:39:34 PM PST by Mo1
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To: Mo1

Intersting.. thanks Mo. She has such a beautiful face... too bad she's such a pitiful democrat.


89 posted on 12/30/2006 9:43:00 PM PST by onyx (Phillip Rivers, LT and the San Diego Chargers! WOO-HOO!)
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To: imahawk
Ya ever notice how much the Senate of old Rome resembles the Senate of the USA?

To me, a collection of invertebrate roaches who can't make hard decisions, but when any decision is made, they're like the roach and scurry from the light. Adept at talking, and talking, and talking..................zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. The old boys club hosts its own collection of wierdos and whacks, (Dean, Kerry, Kennedy, RINO's, etc.) Is there any logic as to why the Senate is a freak show, or is it just too much lead in the Capitol plumbing.

90 posted on 12/30/2006 9:47:12 PM PST by Thumper1960 (Unleash the Dogs of War as a Minority, or perish as a party.)
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To: Flavius
(Shudder)

I will have to agree.

(More suddering)

91 posted on 12/30/2006 9:48:52 PM PST by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: Mo1; kcvl; Miss Marple; onyx

This is interesting, from your link:

It's been a big week for John Edwards.

Sale of the former senator's Georgetown home was scheduled for yesterday after the property languished on the market for more than a year and a half. Oh, and he plans to announce his 2008 presidential bid today in New Orleans.



The final price of the Georgetown mansion is under wraps, but the four-story, six-bedroom, seven-bathroom house (with three fireplaces) was listed at $5.65 million.

The onetime Democratic veep candidate and his family own a 102-acre property in Chapel Hill, N.C. According to land records, that $2.38 million estate includes a home with five bedrooms, 6 1/2 bathrooms and a three-car garage.


92 posted on 12/30/2006 9:49:23 PM PST by Howlin
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To: stevem

You forgot "as endearing as a turd in a swimming pool."


93 posted on 12/30/2006 10:00:05 PM PST by Solamente (Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out...)
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To: Howlin; Mo1

I read that first and gagged. I hope he wastes his profit running for the nomination again.....LOL


94 posted on 12/30/2006 10:00:21 PM PST by onyx (Phillip Rivers, LT and the San Diego Chargers! WOO-HOO!)
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To: Howlin

MSNBC Norah O'Donnell's chef husband, Geoff Tracey.

95 posted on 12/30/2006 10:02:23 PM PST by kcvl
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To: Tanniker Smith
Iowa is meaningless. She'll announce that she isn't participating, and then ignore the result. Or she'll get a "favorite son" of some kind to get in the race, making the entire exercise meaningless

They already have one. Retiring governor Vilsack.

96 posted on 12/30/2006 10:03:29 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: kcvl
Ewww.........

And she's obviously older than he is.


97 posted on 12/30/2006 10:08:52 PM PST by Howlin
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To: neverdem
He said he would advise Clinton: “Forget the press. Forget the politics. Talk to the voters. There’s no substitute for getting on the ground and interacting with people”.

Uh-oh..she's toast. Everyone knows Hillary doesn't mingle with the great unwashed masses.
98 posted on 12/30/2006 10:14:53 PM PST by stylin19a ("Klaatu Barada Nikto")
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To: Mo1; kcvl


Pic of her husband posted by kcvl


99 posted on 12/30/2006 10:16:23 PM PST by onyx (Phillip Rivers, LT and the San Diego Chargers! WOO-HOO!)
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To: doc1019

And it dosn't matter that she would be the worst president since Jimmy Carter


100 posted on 12/30/2006 10:17:29 PM PST by oyez (Why is it that egalitarians act like royalty?)
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