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Thousands Flock to See Saddam's Grave
AP ^ | 12-31-06 | STEVEN R. HURST

Posted on 12/31/2006 2:06:45 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - Thousands of Iraqis flocked to Saddam Hussein's hometown of Ouja on Sunday, where the deposed leader was buried in a religious compound 24 hours after his execution.

Dozens of relatives and other mourners, some of them crying and moaning, attended the interment shortly before dawn near Tikrit, 80 miles north of Baghdad. A few knelt before his flag-draped grave. A large framed photograph of Saddam was propped up on a chair nearby.

"I condemn the way he was executed and I consider it a crime," said 45-year-old Salam Hassan al-Nasseri, one of Saddam's clansmen who attended the interment.

Mohammed Natiq, a 24-year-old college student, said "the path of Arab nationalism must inevitably be paved with blood."

"God has decided that Saddam Hussein should have such an end, but his march and the course which he followed will not end," Natiq said.

Police on Saturday blocked the entrances to Tikrit and said nobody was allowed to leave or enter the city for four days. Despite the security precaution, gunmen took to the streets, carrying pictures of Saddam, shooting into the air and calling for vengeance.

Saddam was captured in an underground hide-out near Ouja on Dec. 13, 2003, eight months after he fled Baghdad ahead of advancing American troops.

His burial place is about 2 miles from the graves of his sons, Odai and Qusai, in the main town cemetery. The sons and a grandson were killed in a gunbattle with the American forces in Mosul in July 2003.

On Saturday, Iraqis awoke to television images of a noose being slipped over Saddam's neck and his white-shrouded body, the pre-dawn work of black-hooded hangmen. They went to bed as new video emerged showing Saddam exchanging taunts with onlookers before the gallows floor dropped away and the former dictator swung from the rope.

In Baghdad's Shiite neighborhood of Sadr City on Saturday, victims of his three decades of autocratic rule took to the streets to celebrate, dancing, beating drums and hanging Saddam in effigy. Celebratory gunfire erupted across other Shiite neighborhoods in Baghdad and other predominantly Shiite regions of the country.

There was no sign of a feared Sunni uprising in retaliation for the execution, and the bloodshed from civil warfare on Saturday was not far off the daily average - 92 from bombings and death squads.

Outside the Sunni insurgent stronghold of Ramadi, west of the capital, loyalists marched with Saddam pictures and waved Iraqi flags. Defying curfews, hundreds took to the streets vowing revenge in Samarra, north of Baghdad.

Still, authorities imposed curfews sparingly in contrast to the several-day lockdown put in place after Saddam was sentenced to death Nov. 5.

By several accounts, Saddam was calm but scornful of his captors, engaging in a give-and-take with the crowd gathered to watch him die and insisting he was Iraq's savior, not its tyrant and scourge.

"He said we are going to heaven and our enemies will rot in hell and he also called for forgiveness and love among Iraqis but also stressed that the Iraqis should fight the Americans and the Persians," Munir Haddad, an appeals court judge who witnessed the hanging, told the British Broadcasting Corp.

Another witness, national security adviser Mowaffak al-Rubaie, told The New York Times that one of the guards shouted at Saddam: "You have destroyed us. You have killed us. You have made us live in destitution."

"I have saved you from destitution and misery and destroyed your enemies, the Persian and Americans," Saddam responded, al-Rubaie told the Times.

"God damn you," the guard said.

"God damn you," responded Saddam.

New video, first broadcast by Al-Jazeera satellite television early Sunday, had sound of someone in the group praising the founder of the Shiite Dawa Party, who was executed in 1980 along with his sister by Saddam

Saddam appeared to smile at those taunting him from below the gallows. He said they were not showing manhood.

Then Saddam began reciting the "Shahada," a Muslim prayer that says there is no god but God and Muhammad is his messenger, according to an unabridged copy of the same tape, apparently shot with a camera phone and posted on a Web site.Saddam made it to midway through his second recitation of the verse. His last word was Muhammad.

The floor dropped out of the gallows.

"The tyrant has fallen," someone in the group of onlookers shouted. The video showed a close-up of Saddam's face as he swung from the rope.

Then came another voice: "Let him swing for three minutes."

The responses within Iraq to Saddam's death echoed the larger reaction across the Middle East, with his enemies rejoicing and his defenders proclaiming him a martyr.

While Iranians and Kuwaitis welcomed the death of the leader who led wars against each of their countries, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said the execution prevented exposure of the secrets and crimes the former dictator committed during his brutal rule.

Some Arab governments denounced the timing the 69-year-old former president's hanging just before the start of the most important holiday of the Islamic calendar, Eid al-Adha. Libya announced a three-day official mourning period and canceled all celebrations for Eid.

Haider Hamed, a 34-year-old candy store owner in east Baghdad, wondered what would really change after Saddam's execution.

"He's gone, but our problems continue," said the Shiite Muslim, whose uncle was killed in one of Saddam's many brutal purges. "We brought problems on ourselves after Saddam because we began fighting Shiite on Sunni and Sunni on Shiite."

At least 80 Iraqis died in bombings and other attacks Saturday, and police said 12 more tortured bodies were found dumped in Baghdad. The U.S. military announced six more service members were killed - three soldiers and three Marines.

The execution took place on the penultimate day of the year's deadliest month for U.S. troops, with the toll reaching 109. At least 2,998 members of the U.S. military have died in Iraq since the war began in March 2003, according to an AP count.

Among minority Sunnis there was deep anger, born not only of Saddam's execution but of the loss of their decades-long political and economic dominance that began with Saddam's ouster in the U.S. invasion nearly four years ago.

"The president, the leader, Saddam Hussein is a martyr and God will put him along with other martyrs," said Yahya al-Attawi, who led prayer at a towering Sunni mosque constructed by Saddam in Tikrit.

There were cheers at the cafeteria of a U.S. outpost in Baghdad as soldiers having breakfast learned Saddam had been hanged.

But members of the Army's 2nd Battalion, 17th Field Artillery Regiment, on patrol in an overwhelmingly Shiite neighborhood in eastern Baghdad, said the execution wouldn't get them home any faster - and therefore didn't make much difference.

"Nothing really changes," said Capt. Dave Eastburn, 30. "The militias run everything now, not Saddam."

Staff Sgt. David Earp, who also fought in 1991's Operation Desert Storm, said the execution worried him.

"In my opinion, something big is going to happen," said Earp, of Colorado. "There will be a response. Probably not today because they know we are looking for one, but soon."


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They probably would be better off putting Saddam in an unmarked grave.
1 posted on 12/31/2006 2:06:46 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182

We'll see how it goes in 20 years. Jim Morrison's or Saddam Hussein's grave. Which will attract the tourists?


2 posted on 12/31/2006 2:09:12 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Where's MOAB or AC-130 when one needs it?


3 posted on 12/31/2006 2:09:48 PM PST by GSlob
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To: Anti-Bubba182

He should have been cremated and his ashes blown over the entire land. Why in the world would they create a monument to this monster that people can visit? Stupid!


4 posted on 12/31/2006 2:10:14 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Anti-Bubba182

that would be thousands fewer democrats in America


5 posted on 12/31/2006 2:10:55 PM PST by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: Anti-Bubba182
"gunmen took to the streets, carrying pictures of Saddam, shooting into the air and calling for vengeance."

Sounds just like Detroit or Trenton to me.

6 posted on 12/31/2006 2:11:16 PM PST by AGreatPer (Support the Troops and their Actions.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182
. . . where the deposed leader

Soon to be the decomposed leader.

7 posted on 12/31/2006 2:12:59 PM PST by mombonn (God is looking for spiritual fruit, not religious nuts.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Dozens of relatives and other mourners

Well, was it dozens or thousands? Media has a funny way of rounding. I hope they took pictures of all who attended.


8 posted on 12/31/2006 2:13:41 PM PST by PeterPrinciple (Seeking the Truth here Folks.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

But then no one would know where to put the hog rinds......


9 posted on 12/31/2006 2:15:24 PM PST by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Then came another voice: "Let him swing for three minutes."


Alright, who said that?


10 posted on 12/31/2006 2:15:38 PM PST by PeterPrinciple (Seeking the Truth here Folks.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182
"I condemn the way he was executed and I consider it a crime,"

I condemn the fact that you are using valuable air, and I consider it wasteful.

11 posted on 12/31/2006 2:18:13 PM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

I hope intelligence types are taking names/pics of all these pro-Saddam demonstrators. They're out of their ratholes for the mourning of their dear leader.


12 posted on 12/31/2006 2:18:48 PM PST by rightazrain (Past is prologue.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

ramsey clark and the rest of the lib/dems are still at the gravesite weeping and burning incense!!!!


13 posted on 12/31/2006 2:21:26 PM PST by hnj_00
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Thousands Flock to See Saddam's Grave

And MILLIONS flock to the internet to see his sorry a$$ get hung.

14 posted on 12/31/2006 2:21:36 PM PST by jdm
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To: Anti-Bubba182

How out of touch can the AP be?I assume from the tone of the article that i'm supposeed to sympathise with the mourners?Good greif.


15 posted on 12/31/2006 2:22:20 PM PST by Thombo2
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
I agree with you. It's stupid to have a grave anywhere. He should have been burnt. If it were me, I would have laid him on an IED and set it off on camera.

I'll bet a weeks pay they will be having vacations planned on holiday's to go visit the " shrine". It will be treated like all the other mosques and shrines in the country. Just another target for the opposite denomination. One guy will piss on it an another will bow and cry. Then the shooting will start. Within 2 years the Shiite's will have to dig him up and destroy the bones.

16 posted on 12/31/2006 2:23:54 PM PST by chuckles
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Thousands Flock to See (Pee on) Saddam's Grave

Headline *I'd* like to read.

17 posted on 12/31/2006 2:24:00 PM PST by Thumper1960 (Unleash the Dogs of War as a Minority, or perish as a party.)
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To: jdm

Bingo! Good post! You just took the wind right out of the sails of the mourning jugheads down at the DNC's Ass. Press. LOL! I love it!


18 posted on 12/31/2006 2:25:31 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (When I was a kid, "global warming" was known as "the weather.")
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To: AGreatPer

Trenton? I was born there. What's it like now? Is it similar to Dearborn?


19 posted on 12/31/2006 2:26:58 PM PST by Pan_Yans Wife
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Was Sean Penn there holding a candle and wearing sunglasses to hide his tears??


20 posted on 12/31/2006 2:27:02 PM PST by Screamname (My name is Screamname and I approve this message.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

December 30th will become a new holiday for Iraq.


21 posted on 12/31/2006 2:28:37 PM PST by GulfWar1Vet (Ding Dong, Saddam is dead!!)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

""In my opinion, something big is going to happen," said Earp, of Colorado. "There will be a response. Probably not today because they know we are looking for one, but soon.""

A true rocket scientist, here!


22 posted on 12/31/2006 2:28:58 PM PST by lawdude (2006: The elections we will live to die for!)
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Haider Hamed, a 34-year-old candy store owner in east Baghdad, wondered what would really change after Saddam's execution.

"He's gone, but our problems continue," said the Shiite Muslim, whose uncle was killed in one of Saddam's many brutal purges. "We brought problems on ourselves after Saddam because we began fighting Shiite on Sunni and Sunni on Shiite."

So ... at least one person in Baghdad understands.

23 posted on 12/31/2006 2:29:15 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde
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To: RightWhale

Is there a line set aside for those who wish to urinate upon the grave?

Be worth the trip....


24 posted on 12/31/2006 2:32:12 PM PST by alloysteel (A battle cry of the Crusaders: "Denique caelum!" (Latin, "Heaven at last!))
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Needs a fitting tombstone....


25 posted on 12/31/2006 2:33:42 PM PST by GoldCountryRedneck ("Idiocy - Never under estimate the power of stupid people in large numbers" - despair.com)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Screw Saddam and everyone in Iraq except for our folks. We should have never allow the American military to go anywhere in the world to fight the moslems unless we are prepared to get medieval. We need to make sure that nobody will mess with us because they know we will destroy them.


26 posted on 12/31/2006 2:33:49 PM PST by isthisnickcool (If you can't light a fire in the vacuum of space what's the deal with the Sun?)
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To: festus
But then no one would know where to put the hog rinds......

Used hog rinds, I hope. Anything else would be wasteful.

27 posted on 12/31/2006 2:34:05 PM PST by magslinger (An open mind is like an outhouse. Sooner or later someone is going to fill it.)
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"Thousands Flock to See (Pee on) Saddam's Grave"

Knew I wouldn't have top scroll far to see this.

I was about to say,"I wouldn't want to smell that grave in after a week or so.

Might just prevent people frrom kneeling and weeping!

28 posted on 12/31/2006 2:34:06 PM PST by FixitGuy
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To: Anti-Bubba182

"I condemn the way he was executed and I consider it a crime," said 45-year-old Salam Hassan al-Nasseri".



Hell, Salam, just be glad I wasn't running that show, I might have hauled him up slow, without tying his hands, over a pool of hungry gators!


29 posted on 12/31/2006 2:35:15 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (BUAIDH NO BAS)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
"He should have been cremated and his ashes blown over the entire land. Why in the world would they create a monument to this monster that people can visit?"

Maybe they're thinking of doing what the English did to Cromwell:

"As outlandish as it might seem, there is something of a tradition of punishing dictators posthumously. In Mussolini’s case, this occurred a day after his execution. But in the case of Oliver Cromwell, the Lord Protector of England, it actually happened more than two years after his natural death. On January 30, 1661, a year into the restoration of the Stuart monarchy, parliament ordered the posthumous execution of the persons responsible for the regicide of the previous Stuart monarch, Charles i. So, along with those of Henry Ireton and John Bradshaw, Oliver Cromwell’s remains were taken from his vault in Henry vii’s chapel and hanged and decapitated. His body was then thrown into an unmarked pit while his head sat on a pike above Westminster Hall for several years. According to the Cromwell Association, it wasn’t until March of 1960 that the head, “a rather undignified collector’s item” over the centuries, found its permanent resting place, “immured in the ante-chapel of Sidney Sussex, Cambridge,” where Cromwell had been an undergraduate."


More here:
http://www.hoover.org/publications/policyreview/2920421.html
30 posted on 12/31/2006 2:36:20 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: FixitGuy

I really don't think that a urine soaked ground will stop a mooslime from kneeling before his/her favorite demon.


31 posted on 12/31/2006 2:37:29 PM PST by Thumper1960 (Unleash the Dogs of War as a Minority, or perish as a party.)
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To: mombonn

When Beethoven passed away, he was buried in a churchyard. A couple days later, the town drunk was walking through the cemetery and heard some strange noise coming from the area where Beethoven was buried. Terrified, the drunk ran and got the priest to come and listen to it. The priest bent close to the grave and heard some faint, unrecognizable music coming from the grave. Frightened, the priest ran and got the town magistrate.

When the magistrate arrived, he bent his ear to the grave, listened for a moment, and said, "Ah, yes, that's Beethoven's Ninth Symphony, being played backwards."

He listened a while longer, and said, "There's the Eighth Symphony, and it's backwards, too. Most puzzling." So the magistrate kept listening; "There's the Seventh... the Sixth... the Fifth..."

Suddenly the realization of what was happening dawned on the magistrate; he stood up and announced to the crowd that had gathered in the cemetery, "My fellow citizens, there's nothing to worry about. It's just Beethoven decomposing."

(Sorry. I can't help but be gleeful over Saddam's death.)


32 posted on 12/31/2006 2:40:47 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

"Ahmadinejad said the execution prevented exposure of the secrets and crimes the former dictator committed during his brutal rule."

I like thinking that we (using drugs on him) downloaded whatever saddam knew in the last month or so.....


33 posted on 12/31/2006 2:42:47 PM PST by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Maybe someday I will have the opportunity to travel to distant lands, see some land marks and piss all over Saddam's grave. Does anything thing that would cause an international incident??


34 posted on 12/31/2006 2:44:47 PM PST by antiunion person (If it were left to the libs, kids wouldn't have parents, just trainers)
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To: Anti-Bubba182
There's tha old story about the Marine DI who tore his wards to ground level before slowly rebuilding them into Marines.

He had one particular recalcitrant that simply took more tearing down than the rest. After an unusually difficult day of hammering and screaming at the recruit, the DI finally, exasperated, said, "I suppose when I die you plan to come and p**s on my grave."

"Sir, no sir," the man replied. "When I leave this man's Corps, I promise, I'll never stand in line again."

35 posted on 12/31/2006 2:46:29 PM PST by stevem
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To: antiunion person

Pour a bottle of whiskey on his grave -- filtered through your kidneys.


36 posted on 12/31/2006 2:46:58 PM PST by Sundog (Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana. Go Parse.)
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To: Screamname

The responses within Iraq to Saddam's death echoed the larger reaction across the Middle East, with his enemies rejoicing and his defenders proclaiming him a martyr.

Just like Sean Penn is to Americans: One man's trash (Penn and Saddam) is another man's treasure (terrorists).


37 posted on 12/31/2006 2:49:32 PM PST by antiunion person (If it were left to the libs, kids wouldn't have parents, just trainers)
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To: Jim Noble

You should have said fornication.


39 posted on 12/31/2006 3:14:20 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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I was quoting from a privately prepared 3rd Army transcript, I think the George C. Scott version was altered.

I bow to the authority of the boss, however. Thanks for the followup.

40 posted on 12/31/2006 3:40:35 PM PST by Jim Noble (To secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

This guy went out as such a useless creature, no grace, no style whatsoever. It seems to me when they bumped off Nicolae Ceausescu, they also hilled his wife, his dog and the family goldfish. Oh, well, when you manage to kill off any worth while folks you know, there is only you left when you go. Still, it's always good to eliminate a waste of air.


41 posted on 12/31/2006 3:43:13 PM PST by stevem
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To: Anti-Bubba182

IMHO....Those who mourn Saddam should join him.


42 posted on 12/31/2006 3:44:40 PM PST by wgflyer (Liberalism is to society what HIV is to the immune system.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Tar-get rich en-vir-on-ment.


43 posted on 12/31/2006 3:54:59 PM PST by Allegra (Vote Dulcie / Finbar 2008)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

I'm surprised that Nancy Pelosi didn't send a delegation of Liberals to attend the funeral to show their respect.


44 posted on 12/31/2006 3:59:39 PM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Top 9 Signs That Saddam Hussein Is About To Be Executed

9. The New York Times has just released their retrospective of the former Iraqi president entitled, "Saddam Hussein: Visionary Leader, or Truly Visionary Leader?"

8. In a Herculean effort to see that justice be done, Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International had to trudge their way past all of those inconvenient mass graves to protest for leniency on his behalf.

7. (tie) Dan Rather has been inconsolable for days.

7. (tie) French flags are flying at half mast.

6. He just leap-frogged past Fidel Castro and Abe Vigoda in Internet death pools.

5. American college students have started wearing t-shirts with pictures of a black, shadowy, Saddam in a beret.

4. Ramsey Clark has been hitting up Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Kim Jong Il for business.

3. Tim Robbins, Danny Glover and Sean Penn have been leading a prison-side candlelight vigil.

2. "Small town cop" mustaches are on their way out in Baghdad.

1. Rope futures are soaring.


45 posted on 12/31/2006 4:22:38 PM PST by Neoliberalnot
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To: GSlob

Agree totally. In my parlance it's FIRE FOR EFFECT!

Semper Fi,


46 posted on 12/31/2006 4:23:49 PM PST by 2nd Bn, 11th Mar (The "P" in Democrat stands for patriotism.)
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To: PeterPrinciple

I watched President Ford's funeral this weekend and thought it was dignified and very touching. Compare it to Saddam's funeral, where he was buried at night with a picture of him propped up on a chair. One man so good and fine and one man so evil.


47 posted on 12/31/2006 4:42:34 PM PST by maxwellp
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Indeed. The video taped Shiitte chanting and catcalling after the hanging wasn't very bright either. Is ANYONE in charge over there??


48 posted on 12/31/2006 4:42:57 PM PST by KantianBurke
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Is ANYONE in charge over there??

No, and there in lies the problem. The entire Muhammadan culture is totally uncivilized and unconstrained. They do what they want, when they want (or the men do). Think Seventh Century tribal warlords. Muhammadans live in a time warp. Even those who live in civilized Countries like the USA. Their bodies are here, but their minds and emotions are in the Seventh Century.

Until a true religious leader who is unafraid to "add to and change" the archaic interpretation of the Koran steps forward, Muhammadanism will remain a vile, revenge oriented cult.
49 posted on 12/31/2006 5:11:59 PM PST by HighlyOpinionated (Everybody should have the right to carry a firearm openly. And to use it if necessary.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

At least they put him back where we found him--a hole in the ground.


50 posted on 12/31/2006 5:16:32 PM PST by rlpfly
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