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Massachusetts Constitutional Convention - Live Thread
House TV ^

Posted on 01/02/2007 11:06:41 AM PST by pickledelf

Live streaming video of the Massachusetts ConCon:
http://housetv.hou.state.ma.us/


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: gaymarriage

1 posted on 01/02/2007 11:06:44 AM PST by pickledelf
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To: pickledelf

Welcome to Free Republic.


2 posted on 01/02/2007 11:07:58 AM PST by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com†|Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Na)
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To: pickledelf

Shouldn't that be ConCon Con?........


3 posted on 01/02/2007 11:08:06 AM PST by Red Badger (New! HeadOn Hemorrhoid Medication for Liberals!.........Apply directly to forehead.........)
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To: Red Badger
Is the New York Times (ultimate controller of Mass Supreme Court)
actually going to let the Mass. Sheeple see what representative democracy
could have been before the Bulgers, the Boston Globe and the NYTimes took over?
4 posted on 01/02/2007 11:14:07 AM PST by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: Diogenesis

It's like a 3 card Monty game.....Nobody's watching, and if they are they are getting screwed and don't realize it.........


5 posted on 01/02/2007 11:17:22 AM PST by Red Badger (New! HeadOn Hemorrhoid Medication for Liberals!.........Apply directly to forehead.........)
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To: Red Badger
Nobody's watching, and if they are they are getting screwed and don't realize it.........

People in Mass just don't care. For them it's about being "nice" to gay people, not that the legislature should obey the law.

6 posted on 01/02/2007 11:21:10 AM PST by rhombus
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To: rhombus

Keep your eye on the Queen, just follow the Queen, It's easy.....


7 posted on 01/02/2007 11:24:23 AM PST by Red Badger (New! HeadOn Hemorrhoid Medication for Liberals!.........Apply directly to forehead.........)
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To: pickledelf

Well my connection pooped out. Maybe Big Brother decided there was something I shouldn't see. I don't know what, everyone was voting, "no".


8 posted on 01/02/2007 11:26:30 AM PST by rhombus
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To: pickledelf

Have they declared Massachusetts a nuclear-free zone yet? How about calling for President Bush's impeachment? Or ethical slaughter of chickens?


9 posted on 01/02/2007 11:27:13 AM PST by popdonnelly
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To: pickledelf
Looks like the stream isn't holding up. This is the only blog I know that is live-blogging with reporters on the scene. http://www.baywindows.com/ME2/Audiences/dirmod.asp?sid=&nm=&type=Publishing&mod=Publications%3A%3AArticle&mid=8F3A7027421841978F18BE895F87F791&AudID=0813BC739F2044E5A03DCF2DE3FDF7C9&tier=4&id=8A0D3DE5CF574F66A46191FF5C36CB9E
10 posted on 01/02/2007 11:27:57 AM PST by pickledelf
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To: pickledelf

I don't reckon there is any group of people in the world, better able to screw up a constitution, than the folks in Massachusetts!


11 posted on 01/02/2007 11:28:35 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (BUAIDH NO BAS)
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To: pickledelf

OK, the stream is dead and the baywindows com link you provided is now also dead. Anyone know what happened?


12 posted on 01/02/2007 11:40:59 AM PST by rhombus
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To: rhombus

2:36 p.m. -- It's unclear what happened to the motion to reconsider. A roll call vote is now being taken on a motion to recess the ConCon for a hour.


2:26 p.m. The amendment passes with 54 yeas. They are still compiling the nays. State Rep. Byron Rushing is now offering a motion to reconsider. If this motion passes and the ConCon adjourns, the amendment will not take effect.


13 posted on 01/02/2007 11:42:28 AM PST by rhombus
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To: rhombus

Yay!!! According to Boston.com, the legislature voted 132-61 to defeat the measure. However, since only 50 are needed to approve, the measure has passed onto the next session for approval.


14 posted on 01/02/2007 11:43:09 AM PST by IpaqMan
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To: IpaqMan

From the Bay Windows site it appears a vote to reconsider was stopped and now they are voting to recess (to work backroom deals?)?


15 posted on 01/02/2007 11:45:26 AM PST by rhombus
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To: pickledelf
Seems like no one really knows what happened. Here is another blog commenting on stuff.
http://bluemassgroup.com/frontPage.do
16 posted on 01/02/2007 11:48:32 AM PST by pickledelf
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To: rhombus

WHAT?? What the heck is a motion to reconsider??


17 posted on 01/02/2007 11:51:50 AM PST by gidget7 (2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:)
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To: IpaqMan

yes, the link posted below was saying that the vote was to recess for an hour. I tried to hear what was being said on
the streamcast and did hear the bit about "shall we recess
for an hour?" and the rollcall, but it was so plagued
with audio drops and video freezes that I gave up.


18 posted on 01/02/2007 11:53:17 AM PST by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio
AP:
BOSTON - Lawmakers in Massachusetts, the only state where gay marriage is legal, voted Tuesday to allow a proposed constitutional amendment to move forward that would effectively ban it.

The amendment's backers had collected 170,000 signatures to get a question on the 2008 ballot asking voters to declare marriage in Massachusetts to be between a man and a woman, but they still needed the Legislature's approval in two consecutive sessions.

On Tuesday, 61 lawmakers backed moving the measure forward, compared to 132 opposed. The amendment need 50 votes of support to advance.

19 posted on 01/02/2007 11:58:01 AM PST by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio
Just read this on bluemass

Just in from the Governor-elect. The full statement is after the flip. His statement on the adjourn vs. vote question:

I favor ending this petition initiative promptly. If adjournment can accomplish that, so be it. If the Constitutional Convention chooses to vote on the merits, I want to be utterly clear that I believe a vote to advance this question to the 2008 ballot is irresponsible and wrong. Given the significant challenges we face on so many other fronts, I would be deeply disappointed in such a vote. It would do nothing more than condemn us all to more years of debate and expense on a matter that is legally and practically settled.


Grrrrrrr
20 posted on 01/02/2007 11:58:02 AM PST by gidget7 (2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:)
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To: gidget7
I think it's a do-over. If the motion to reconsider passed then they can try to swing votes during the recess, and then they vote again.
21 posted on 01/02/2007 11:58:21 AM PST by pickledelf
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To: pickledelf

WBZ radio a sec ago: "Lawmakers put an effort to ban gay marriage one step closer to the ballot box"


22 posted on 01/02/2007 11:59:18 AM PST by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio
I may be daft, but I thought this vote, if we got enough, meant it went on the ballot. Why do I remember this as being the second consecutive session? I don't know.

It is very hard to figure out what in Heaven's name this MA legislature is doing at any given moment.
23 posted on 01/02/2007 12:01:27 PM PST by gidget7 (2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:)
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To: pickledelf

That is MORE BS from this legislature. That vote should count!


24 posted on 01/02/2007 12:02:31 PM PST by gidget7 (2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:)
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To: gidget7

via WBZ: "Prop. gay marriage ban very alive for now as lawmakers allow it to appear on the ballot."

"Trav took everyone by surprise--went straight to a vote--
req. only 50 votes in favor, amendment got 61 votes, that's
a comfortable margin. (BUT!!!) Then lawmakers voted to RECONSIDER
after an hour request".

So, they decided not to decide, for now. John Kerry would
be proud...flip flop flip flop flip


25 posted on 01/02/2007 12:03:20 PM PST by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio

we'll prob. be talking about this on the Howie Carr live thread as well.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1761353/posts


26 posted on 01/02/2007 12:03:50 PM PST by raccoonradio
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To: gidget7

I do not like this new governor. He is asking the legislature to violate the Mass Constitution and their oath of office. That is so very "liberal" and wrong!


27 posted on 01/02/2007 12:04:05 PM PST by IpaqMan
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To: raccoonradio
If you ask me, and of course nobody did, it sounds like another game. Vote and fulfill the Constitutional requirement, then resend that vote, ie: reconsider??? WTH is that?
28 posted on 01/02/2007 12:05:03 PM PST by gidget7 (2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:)
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To: IpaqMan
Devil is a nighmare for MA. Welcome to the New and improved Communistwealth of MA
29 posted on 01/02/2007 12:06:18 PM PST by gidget7 (2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:)
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To: gidget7

Devil is going to be in for a nightmare, too. The revenue forecast is for a big deficit and here we have a new governor who has a few new expensive programs. He is beholden to the teacher's union to reduce class sizes and he wants to help illegals with their education.


30 posted on 01/02/2007 12:09:21 PM PST by IpaqMan
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To: raccoonradio
On Tuesday, 61 lawmakers backed moving the measure forward, compared to 132 opposed. The amendment need 50 votes of support to advance.

That's a shocker! Good news though. Why didn't they recess again? Were they afraid that Mitt was going to be mean to them?

31 posted on 01/02/2007 12:12:36 PM PST by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: pickledelf
Massachusetts still has a Constitution?
32 posted on 01/02/2007 12:12:39 PM PST by Last Laugh (We the People are in charge, so let's act like it!)
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To: IpaqMan
Reduce class size?? If that is needed, why are towns meeting on regionalizing school districts due to extremely lowering of enrollments?
33 posted on 01/02/2007 12:15:36 PM PST by gidget7 (2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:)
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To: Last Laugh; pickledelf

Yep, resuscitated daily, a living-breathing document.

Either we are equal or we are not. Good people ought to be armed where they will, with wits and guns. NRA KMA


34 posted on 01/02/2007 12:39:33 PM PST by dhuffman@awod.com (The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.)
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To: pickledelf
It's back on and streaming is working again.
http://housetv.hou.state.ma.us
35 posted on 01/02/2007 12:56:32 PM PST by pickledelf
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To: pickledelf

I've been deconstructing your screen name and I think I've got it: You were making New Year's resolutions yesterday and number one was "pickle self" but you kept on trying until you finished the 6-pack and then when you signed in this morning, your finger slid off the "s" right on to the "d", right?


36 posted on 01/02/2007 1:19:58 PM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Old Professer

I guess: stewed shorty.


37 posted on 01/02/2007 1:46:39 PM PST by polymuser (There is one war and one enemy.)
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HELP!

This is a big deal, right? I can't remember a Constitutional Convention ever. Is this a warm up for what the Dems want to do for the whole USA to eliminate that pesky second ammendment (and trim down the 1st, 4th, 5th, 9th and 10th while at it)?

Unfortunately this thread is a total insider one. I live in Washington state and have seen no coverage of this, or the issues being voted on, or why it came about.

Could some kind freeper please take pity on me (and other uninformed readers) and post or link to a summary of what is going on out there.

THANKS IN ADVANCE. -JB


38 posted on 01/02/2007 2:16:28 PM PST by Jack Black
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To: pickledelf

Do we have a roll call of the Votes?


39 posted on 01/02/2007 2:32:24 PM PST by MassachusettsGOP (May the West and Republicans Always Win...)
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To: Jack Black

Jack,

This is a Massachusetts thing. Our state constitution allows citizens to gather a petition drive to amend the constitution. If they get a certain number of signatures, the legislature must vote at least 50/200 in favor in two consecutive annual sessions (the constitutional convention), at which point the issue moves to the ballot. The state constitution requires that the legislature vote on the petitions and recently the liberal MA supreme court (the same one that gave us "gay marriage") ruled unanimously that the plain language of the constitution means what it says. The advocates of gay marriage were attempting to get around this by recessing the convention (which requires only 101 votes, rather than the 151 needed to knock out the amendment fair and square) in the name of "equality" and "rights." However, they failed this time and therefore the amendment to ban so-called gay marriage in Massachusetts will continue to the next step (a second vote in the legislature next year).

www.voteonmarriage.org is the site of the group behind this initiative petition.


40 posted on 01/02/2007 3:50:58 PM PST by gbcdoj (Destruction is thy own, O Israel; thy help is only in Me.)
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To: gbcdoj

Thanks so much. I feel informed now!


41 posted on 01/02/2007 4:55:49 PM PST by Jack Black
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