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Missouri Man Reels In Ancient FishHook (300-12,000 Years Old)
Kansas City Star ^ | 1-2-2007 | AP

Posted on 01/02/2007 3:24:53 PM PST by blam

Missouri man reels in ancient fish hook<

Associated Press

COLUMBIA, Mo. - A man hunting for American Indian artifacts with his sons along a gravel bar on the Missouri River has uncovered an ancient fishhook that is making collectors envious.

"The first thing I thought is, 'I hope this isn't metal,'" said Eric Henley, who found the hook last month near McBaine. "When I picked it up, there was a pretty good jump for joy and a couple of 'whoops' and yells. It's the cream of the crop."

The hook is made of bone and covers his entire palm, making it much larger than most bone hooks.

Joe Harl, of the Archaeological Research Center of St. Louis, said the size of the hook suggests the fisherman who used it was after a larger fish.

Another artifact collector, Kenny Bassett, said the large size of the hook might indicate an earlier origin. American Indians used bigger rocks and tools in earlier periods to hunt larger game such as wooly mammoths. He said the hook could have been used to fish for pallid sturgeon or enormous catfish.

Bassett, who works with Henley, said he had to control his envy when he saw the oversized hook.

"I've been hunting" American Indian artifacts "for 30 years and never found anything so identifiably unique. I've never seen anything like it," Bassett said.

Because bone matter deteriorates rapidly, bone artifacts typically have to be buried deep enough in the ground to be preserved. And they are usually found during archaeological digs, said Bill Iseminger, assistant site manager at Cahokia Mounds State Historical Site in Illinois.

Harl said sandier soil in spots along the river might have kept the hook preserved. He said the hook could be anywhere from 300 to 12,000 years old.

Henley, a maintenance man at the University of Missouri-Columbia, has no plans to learn the hook's exact age. Carbon dating the item would require drilling through the fragile bone, and he doesn't want to risk ruining the hook.

Henley credits his sons, 11 and 6, for being good-luck charms because he made the discovery on the first trip the boys had joined their dad for an artifact hunt.

"Now every time I go, they're going to be there."


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1 posted on 01/02/2007 3:24:55 PM PST by blam
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To: SunkenCiv

GGG Ping.


2 posted on 01/02/2007 3:25:26 PM PST by blam
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To: SunkenCiv

GGG ping


3 posted on 01/02/2007 3:27:29 PM PST by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: blam
Joe Harl, of the Archaeological Research Center of St. Louis, said the size of the hook suggests the fisherman who used it was after a larger fish.

Now don't go too far out on the limb, Joe.

4 posted on 01/02/2007 3:28:13 PM PST by blau993
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To: blam
How does he really know it's a fishing hook?

;) Any pictures?
5 posted on 01/02/2007 3:28:33 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: blam
The hook is made of bone and covers his entire palm, making it much larger than most bone hooks.

Obviously a muskie fisherman.

6 posted on 01/02/2007 3:29:14 PM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: blam

"The hook is made of bone and covers his entire palm, making it much larger than most bone hooks.

Joe Harl, of the Archaeological Research Center of St. Louis, said the size of the hook suggests the fisherman who used it was after a larger fish."

What a keen observation! Leave it to expert to state the obvious.


7 posted on 01/02/2007 3:29:56 PM PST by resistance ((abandon all hope and reason, become a democrat))
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To: blam
300-12,000 Years Old"

Hard to go wrong with a margin of error like that.
8 posted on 01/02/2007 3:38:52 PM PST by ndt
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To: resistance
the size of the hook suggests the fisherman who used it was after a larger fish

"There's always a bigger fish."

9 posted on 01/02/2007 3:39:15 PM PST by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG-49) Freedom's Fortress)
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To: resistance

Does that make the new owner "The Happy Hooker" ???


10 posted on 01/02/2007 3:39:29 PM PST by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: blam

Heck, I'm just touched that father and son's are spending quality time together. Go Daddy!!!!!!!


11 posted on 01/02/2007 3:40:07 PM PST by NoGrayZone
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To: blam

What a find! I'm jealous.


12 posted on 01/02/2007 3:42:54 PM PST by Ditter
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To: blam

13 posted on 01/02/2007 3:47:51 PM PST by BallyBill (Serial Hit-N-Run poster)
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To: NoGrayZone; blam

And hopefully he will get to keep his find without some government agency or "qualified" group claiming it.


14 posted on 01/02/2007 3:48:04 PM PST by Cold Heart
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To: blam

15 posted on 01/02/2007 3:52:38 PM PST by LibWhacker
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To: blam
Nice! My guess is far less than 12,000 years.

Bone can be radiocarbon dated. Won't take much bone, but would cost about $675 at the main US commercial lab.

Coyote

16 posted on 01/02/2007 3:59:11 PM PST by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: blam
Henley credits his sons, 11 and 6, for being good-luck charms because he made the discovery on the first trip the boys had joined their dad for an artifact hunt.

Maybe he should have his "good-luck charms" tote shovels and screens when he next loots aboriginal graves on Public Lands.

This creep needs a whopping fine and/or jail time to teach him this simple lesson:

You cannot steal our heritage from our property for your shoebox.

17 posted on 01/02/2007 4:02:18 PM PST by Tinian
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To: blam

HOLY CARP!!!


18 posted on 01/02/2007 4:04:36 PM PST by scottdeus12 (Jesus is real, whether you believe in Him or not.)
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To: blam

I guess he stuck it up on the bill of his baseball hat.


19 posted on 01/02/2007 4:06:09 PM PST by Crawdad (Is this thing on?)
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To: blau993; SunkenCiv
Joe Harl, of the Archaeological Research Center of St. Louis, said the size of the hook suggests the fisherman who used it was after a larger fish.

Now don't go too far out on the limb, Joe.

I have to disagree. The hook was for a guy trying to perfect his casting technique, and so not wanting to be bothered with the pesky, time wasting task of having to remove fish from his line....

Theory II: It was a hook carried by a braggart, who was always telling about 'the one that got away', then producing the hook to show just 'how big it had to be'.

Theory III: It was hook that was part of a display behind the bar of the tavern hut, for a Bone Hook Beer ad.

20 posted on 01/02/2007 4:09:17 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: facedown

Dang, you would have to scalp an entire tribe of cavewomen to get enough hair to weave into a 1000 yard, 20 lb. test line!


21 posted on 01/02/2007 4:10:16 PM PST by Hatteras
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To: BallyBill

Paraphrasing Crocodile Dundee, "Now that's a hook."


22 posted on 01/02/2007 4:10:16 PM PST by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: Tinian

Public land is your property? Right. He looted a grave? Right.

And what pray tell would you have him do? Or any other person that finds artifacts on "your property"?

I'll bet he'll probably donate the artifact.


23 posted on 01/02/2007 4:12:09 PM PST by swmobuffalo (The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist.)
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To: blam
And when he told his buddies one of them said: "That's nothing, I once caught a fishhook this big!"
24 posted on 01/02/2007 4:14:16 PM PST by mrsmith
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To: swmobuffalo
And what pray tell would you have him do?

He should have reported his find to the Army Corps of Engineers, so they could bring in bulldozers to bury the gravel bar.

25 posted on 01/02/2007 4:16:52 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: blam

26 posted on 01/02/2007 4:18:28 PM PST by jsh3180
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To: Tinian

WOW idiot post of the day. Go back to your focus group!


27 posted on 01/02/2007 4:18:47 PM PST by packrat35 (guest worker/day worker=SlaveMart)
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To: Tinian

You have a point. Private citizens have no rights on public land except what the Public Agency grants by permit.


28 posted on 01/02/2007 4:19:36 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: swmobuffalo

Tinian is a bit over the top in his presentation, but he does have a point. If Henley found this hook on public land, it isn't his. Artifacts found in the US generally belong to the landowner. If the landowner in this case is the state or federal government, Henley has no right to keep or sell it. He may have no CHOICE but to donate the artifact.

If he was on private land and had permission from the landowner to be there, then he has himself a nice (and likely valuable) artifact. If it was public land, it needs to be turned over to whatever agency manages the land.


29 posted on 01/02/2007 4:24:41 PM PST by Arthalion
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To: Cold Heart

Oh yeah, like that "eminant domain"???


30 posted on 01/02/2007 4:26:34 PM PST by NoGrayZone
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To: Tinian

Walking along a river and picking up items is considered grave robbing? I used to hunt arrow heads in New Jersey and some New England states. I walked through plowed up corn fields in the Fall. I never considered it grave robbing. What a stupid statement!


31 posted on 01/02/2007 4:26:36 PM PST by 4yearlurker ("Nothing is true,and everything is permitted"--7 th Satanic vow. Sounds like Liberalism!)
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To: Hatteras
Dang, you would have to scalp an entire tribe of cavewomen to get enough hair to weave into a 1000 yard, 20 lb. test line!

Yeah, but the bronze leader was the real trick.

32 posted on 01/02/2007 4:28:39 PM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: Tinian

I agree, why I hope the thought police go after him and his boys for even thinking of looking for artifacts. I think a proper hanging is in order


33 posted on 01/02/2007 4:31:38 PM PST by Luigi Vasellini (What do you call 2 toddlers and some duct tape??........muslim body armor!!!!!!!)
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To: ndt
Doesn't matter. On another thread we just found out the Universe is older than thought.
34 posted on 01/02/2007 4:32:09 PM PST by fish hawk (. B O stinks. That would be body odor and Barak Obama)
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To: Arthalion
If the landowner in this case is the state or federal government, Henley has no right to keep or sell it.

Protection of antiquities on federal lands started with the Antiquities Act of 1906.

Almost all (or all?) states have similar laws pertaining to public property.

35 posted on 01/02/2007 4:33:09 PM PST by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Luigi Vasellini

Two Americas, right ? The Americans who came via the landbridge and others who came by boat...


36 posted on 01/02/2007 4:36:02 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: blam
(300-12,000 Years Old)

Sorry, but even if it were Adam's hook (which is quite unlikely), it could of been 6,600 years old at the most!

37 posted on 01/02/2007 4:36:40 PM PST by Revolting cat! (We all need someone we can bleed on...)
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To: Tinian
...You cannot steal our heritage from our property for your shoebox...

Prove it's yours.

38 posted on 01/02/2007 4:39:26 PM PST by FReepaholic (Give me ambiguity or give me something else.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
The Americans who came via the landbridge and others who came by boat...

This is actually pretty well established on the west coast.

There is good mtDNA evidence and several other lines of research that support an early coastal migration. This is called by some "following the kelp highway."

39 posted on 01/02/2007 4:39:31 PM PST by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Tinian
A man hunting for American Indian artifacts with his sons along a gravel bar on the Missouri River has uncovered an ancient fishhook

Fine for finding a bone hook on a gravel bar on the Missouri River? You would put him in jail for that? You must be nuts.

40 posted on 01/02/2007 4:41:59 PM PST by plain talk
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To: Arthalion

Found on a sand bar in the Missouri River.


41 posted on 01/02/2007 4:47:24 PM PST by listenhillary (You can lead a man to reason, but you can't make him think)
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To: ndt
300-12,000 Years Old"

Hard to go wrong with a margin of error like that.

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LOL! Yeah,well, that does seem to have most of the bases covered.

42 posted on 01/02/2007 4:49:52 PM PST by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: blam

Carpe carp!

43 posted on 01/02/2007 4:54:04 PM PST by UnklGene
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To: Tinian; swmobuffalo; packrat35; RightWhale; 4yearlurker; FReepaholic; plain talk
You can agree or disagree, but on the major (navigable) rivers in Tennessee, shoreline is owned by TVA or the Corps of Engineers, and it is against federal law to pick up Indian artifacts from this federal property. I was surprised at the article, because an action such as this in my neck of the woods would get you a hefty fine.

This would be permitted on private land as long as there was no excavation or historical areas or gravesites.
44 posted on 01/02/2007 4:54:20 PM PST by TN4Liberty (Sixty percent of all people understand statistics. The other half are clueless.)
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To: Tinian
This creep needs a whopping fine and/or jail time to teach him this simple lesson:

You cannot steal our heritage from our property for your shoebox.

Eh. If it were important to you, you wouldn't leave it lying around.

45 posted on 01/02/2007 4:56:26 PM PST by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: TN4Liberty

The legal world is the real world. As a man said when he came to my window, 'I am here representing the public.' I said, 'You'll find the Representive of the Public in his office on the fourth floor. He has a sign on his door--Mayor.'


46 posted on 01/02/2007 4:58:23 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: TN4Liberty
Government owns the land and the citizens being forbidden to pursue certain harmless activities without the kings bureaucrats permission.

The land of the free. Humph!!

47 posted on 01/02/2007 5:04:44 PM PST by listenhillary (You can lead a man to reason, but you can't make him think)
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To: TN4Liberty

Didn't know that. But seeing as how you gave me a choice - I would have to say I vehemently disagree.


48 posted on 01/02/2007 5:07:41 PM PST by plain talk
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To: TN4Liberty

I would flush it down the toilet before I let the "government" or "Indian group" take it from me.


49 posted on 01/02/2007 5:23:48 PM PST by packrat35 (guest worker/day worker=SlaveMart)
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To: blam

Wonder what beauracrtic lawyer has penned, probably not a Happy New Year card to the discoverers of this wonderful piece of American history?


50 posted on 01/02/2007 5:25:12 PM PST by Hilltop
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