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Gen. Shalikashvili: Let Gays Serve in Military
Newsmax.com ^ | January 2, 2007 | Newsmax.com staff

Posted on 01/02/2007 4:12:33 PM PST by RetiredArmy

General Shalikashvili: Let Gays Serve in Military

The Army general who was Joint Chiefs chairman when the Pentagon adopted its "don't ask, don't tell" policy on gays says he no longer opposes allowing them to serve openly.

John Shalikashvili, who retired in 1997 after four years as the nation's top military officer, had argued that allowing homosexuals to serve openly would hurt troop morale and recruitment and undermine the cohesion of combat units. He said he has changed his mind after meeting with gay servicemen.

"These conversations showed me just how much the military has changed, and that gays and lesbians can be accepted by their peers," Shalikashvili wrote in an opinion piece in Tuesday's New York Times.

His view could carry weight at a time when advocates of lifting the restriction on gay service members argue that the military - under the strain of fighting two wars - can ill-afford to exclude any qualified volunteers. It's not clear, however, how much enthusiasm Congress will have for pressing the matter. The current policy, based on legislation passed by Congress in 1993 after a firestorm of debate, states that gays and lesbians may serve in the military only if they keep their sexual orientation private.

Commanders may not ask, and gay service members may not tell. Over the years thousands have been dismissed under this policy.

Shalikashvili is not the first former senior military officer to change his mind about gays in the military, though he is perhaps the most prominent. John Hutson, a retired two-star Navy admiral who was the Navy's top lawyer, said Tuesday he thinks the nation has undergone so much cultural change over the past decade that allowing gays to serve openly in the military would enhance rather than weaken the cohesion of fighting units.

"I think it will absolutely happen," Hutson said in a telephone interview, but probably not during the Bush administration.

Shalikashvili said he expects fierce debate over gays in the military this year as Congress considers President Bush's call for expanding the size of the Army, which is stretched thin by wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Shalikashvili cautioned, however, against pushing for repeal of the ban early in the new Congress, which he said should be focused on urgent priorities like developing a better strategy in Iraq and healing divisions over the war.

"Fighting early in this Congress to lift the ban on openly gay service members is not likely to add to that healing and it risks alienating people whose support is needed to get this country on the right track," he wrote in the Times article.

In explaining his shift on the issue, Shalikashvili also cited a new Zogby poll, commissioned by the Michael D. Palm Center at the University of California at Santa Barbara, of 545 U.S. troops who served in Iraq and Afghanistan. It reported that three quarters said they were comfortable around gay men and lesbians.

The poll, published in December, also said 37 percent opposed allowing gays to serve openly, while 26 percent said they should be allowed and 37 percent were unsure or neutral. Of those who said they were certain that a member of their unit was gay or lesbian, two-thirds did not believe it hurt morale.

C. Dixon Osburn, executive director of Servicemembers Legal Defense Network, an advocate for gay rights, called Shalikashvili's article "enormously significant." Osburn said it reflects a growing trend of military leaders supporting repeal of the "don't ask, don't tell" policy.


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I cannot believe this officer has changed his mind and wants this. I wonder what Storming Norman thinks of this statement?
1 posted on 01/02/2007 4:12:33 PM PST by RetiredArmy
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To: RetiredArmy
he no longer opposes allowing them to serve openly.

So how many can fit in the Generals shower?

2 posted on 01/02/2007 4:15:42 PM PST by Taxbilly
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To: RetiredArmy

Gays were always there, we never made a big deal out of it so long as they didn't bother those who wanted nothing to do with them. Their percentages were very small. I don't think they are going to rush to join even if they OK it.


3 posted on 01/02/2007 4:16:49 PM PST by Bringbackthedraft
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To: Taxbilly

Isn't this the general that Ketchup boy always quoted?


4 posted on 01/02/2007 4:17:43 PM PST by libs_kma (Monica blew while Al-Queda grew.....Oh well, Clinton happens!)
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To: RetiredArmy

This guy was a Clintonista general. He has always wanted homosexuals in the Army.


5 posted on 01/02/2007 4:18:31 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (When I was a kid, "global warming" was known as "the weather.")
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To: RetiredArmy

Is it just me, or does "Shalikashvili" sound like the name of a top flight hairdresser. I'm just sayin...


6 posted on 01/02/2007 4:20:20 PM PST by Mount Athos
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To: RetiredArmy

Isn't this the guy whose father was a Colonel in the Waffen-SS? Wonder what their policy was on "gays in the military"?


7 posted on 01/02/2007 4:21:01 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: libs_kma

Believe so an ex-general.


8 posted on 01/02/2007 4:21:01 PM PST by Taxbilly
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To: RetiredArmy
Let Gays Serve in Military

Who cares what sexual orientation soldiers are. If they can learn and execute soldiers skills, then they should be soldiers. If they get up to their low down , sneaky, net workin tricks, and usurp the chain of command,or desert in the face of the enemy, then shoot them.

Thats why don't ask , don't tell is by far the best policy.When you shoot a deserter, it then is not because he was gay, or hetero, it was becuase he was a deserter period.

No, we do NOT want to go there.

9 posted on 01/02/2007 4:21:04 PM PST by Candor7 (Into Liberal flatulance goes the best hope of the West, and who wants to be a smart feller?)
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To: RetiredArmy

He was the worst CJCS of my tenure in the military.


10 posted on 01/02/2007 4:22:41 PM PST by Doohickey (I am not unappeasable. YOU are just too easily appeased.)
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To: RetiredArmy

I think it ill be called the "Brokeback Brigade". Good for a Hollywood movie. The only group to attack from the rear!


11 posted on 01/02/2007 4:22:49 PM PST by dforest (Liberals love crisis, create crisis and then dwell on them.)
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To: RetiredArmy

I am sick and tired of these ex-Generals with their comments. I never particularly liked the guy and was so happy when he retired. I loved General Myers and wish he was back because he was class all the way as the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs and has remained class as the retired Chairman of Joint Chiefs. Gen Myers and SecDef Rumsfeld made a great pair IMHO!

Would love to have this former Army 4-star and Stormin' Norman in a room.

General Franks is moving back to OK and rumor has it he will be running for office here as a Republican.


12 posted on 01/02/2007 4:25:54 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Rudy 2008)
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To: RetiredArmy

He's probably a closeted peter-puffer himself.


13 posted on 01/02/2007 4:27:24 PM PST by DocH (Gun-grabbers, you can HAVE my guns... lead first.)
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To: Mount Athos

Cash-veal-ee was/is Clinton's lap dog. Whatever he's selling, I ain't buying!


14 posted on 01/02/2007 4:28:09 PM PST by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: indylindy

Marching song: "I Had a Comrade (Literally)"


15 posted on 01/02/2007 4:28:51 PM PST by sine_nomine (Don't let another Bush lose another Iraq war.)
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To: RetiredArmy

Recruiter "Can you kill a man?"



Queer "Yeth, but it would take me thimply hours and hours".


16 posted on 01/02/2007 4:31:23 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto")
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To: RetiredArmy

I've been retired longer than I was in, and as I look back and remember many who I believe were probably gay, I say, right on, Shali. Who gives a crap. If a man (or woman) can do their job without having a negative effect on their unit, let them serve. Shali was drafted in 58, went to OCS and retired as a four star. His opinion means something to me.


17 posted on 01/02/2007 4:31:41 PM PST by leadpenny
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To: RetiredArmy

No surprise from a Clintonista.


18 posted on 01/02/2007 4:32:12 PM PST by clintonh8r
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I guess he forgot to fade away.....


19 posted on 01/02/2007 4:33:08 PM PST by clintonh8r
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To: PhiKapMom

Some of us here in Florida tried to get him to run against Nelson.


20 posted on 01/02/2007 4:34:35 PM PST by clintonh8r
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To: Bringbackthedraft

Yeah, they've been there okay but they sure were Section 8 out too--and rightfully so. I'll never buy the "It's no big deal" lie, it IS a big deal and always will be, no amount of PC will make it right.


21 posted on 01/02/2007 4:36:18 PM PST by brushcop (Men of B-Co 2/69 3ID, do you now feel betrayed after all your efforts & sacrifices in Iraq?)
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To: sine_nomine
Marching song: "I Had a Comrade (Literally)"

See, we are getting this worked out for the military. They will not fail and get "behind" on this!

22 posted on 01/02/2007 4:36:48 PM PST by dforest (Liberals love crisis, create crisis and then dwell on them.)
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To: RetiredArmy

The problem would lie in what comes later. After gays are accepted openly into the military, how long until they are demanding special rights just as in society.


23 posted on 01/02/2007 4:38:13 PM PST by somemoreequalthanothers (All for the betterment of "the state", comrade)
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To: RetiredArmy

Countries that allow homosexuals to serve openly in the military:

Argentina
Australia
Austria
The Bahamas
Belgium
Canada
Colombia
Czech Republic
Denmark
Estonia
Finland
France
Germany
Hungary
Ireland
Israel
Lithuania
The Netherlands
New Zealand
Norway
Poland
Romania
Slovenia
South Africa
Spain
Sweden
Switzerland
Taiwan
Thailand
United Kingdom


24 posted on 01/02/2007 4:39:04 PM PST by EveningStar
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To: RetiredArmy

Another one of Hillary's mouthpieces trying to get Americans to accept the lib policies they rejected in her first eight years.


25 posted on 01/02/2007 4:40:18 PM PST by HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath (All the horns of the wicked also will I cut off; but the horns of the righteous shall be exalted.)
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To: leadpenny

See #24


26 posted on 01/02/2007 4:40:57 PM PST by EveningStar
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To: little jeremiah; wagglebee

HA ping


27 posted on 01/02/2007 4:41:02 PM PST by indcons (Fellow FReepers - Best Wishes for 2007.)
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To: PhiKapMom

exactly- al we hear in the msm is from liberal EX army- we never hardly hear from the more conservative present commanders http://sacredscoop.com


28 posted on 01/02/2007 4:41:15 PM PST by CottShop
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To: EveningStar

Shali is trying to drag us into the 21st century.


29 posted on 01/02/2007 4:44:03 PM PST by leadpenny
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To: EveningStar

So let the turd burglars go to one of those places to serve!


30 posted on 01/02/2007 4:44:51 PM PST by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

No he didn't. I think he is looking at the manpower situation and thinks that anyone willing to serve who qualifies should be allowed.


31 posted on 01/02/2007 4:46:05 PM PST by misterrob (Jack Bauer/Chuck Norris 2008)
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To: RetiredArmy

Wasn't this the ding-dong who came up with the black berets for everyone idea?

Hey Gen-rul, Sir! Stuff your monica in your mouth and be quiet.


32 posted on 01/02/2007 4:46:27 PM PST by Ronin (Ut iusta esse, lex noblis severus necesse est.)
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To: Ronin

No.


33 posted on 01/02/2007 4:47:23 PM PST by leadpenny
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To: Mount Athos

"Shalikashvili" is Ukrainian for "Hillary fave".


34 posted on 01/02/2007 4:50:06 PM PST by elcid1970 (`)
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To: leadpenny

I guess you noticed that the list includes Australia, Israel, and the UK.


35 posted on 01/02/2007 4:50:39 PM PST by EveningStar
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To: Bringbackthedraft

Gays were always there..


Right, I might of had to stand Formation with them,,I did not share a foxhole with them..


36 posted on 01/02/2007 4:52:55 PM PST by silentreignofheroes (When the Last Two Prophets are taken there will be no Tommorrow!)
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To: leadpenny

My mistake, it was Shinseki (sp?). But the sentiment remains. Retired generals should keep their nose out of the active military's business.

Same thing for retired Presidents -- but the Democraps can never manage it anymore.


37 posted on 01/02/2007 4:53:12 PM PST by Ronin (Ut iusta esse, lex noblis severus necesse est.)
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To: EveningStar

and the Dutch.


38 posted on 01/02/2007 4:54:15 PM PST by leadpenny
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"Paging Richard Smoker!"


39 posted on 01/02/2007 4:54:26 PM PST by MarineBrat (My wife and I took an AIDS vaccination that the Church offers.)
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40 posted on 01/02/2007 4:55:06 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: elcid1970

http://www.bookrags.com/biography/john-malchase-david-shalikashvili/

Born in Poland. I believe he was drafted the same year as Elvis.


41 posted on 01/02/2007 4:55:32 PM PST by leadpenny
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To: indylindy

The German song "Ich hatte einen Kameraden" is a requiem to the fallen brave and is sung at soldier's funerals by the armies of many nations.

How it got mixed up in this thread I don't know.


42 posted on 01/02/2007 4:57:27 PM PST by elcid1970 (`)
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To: Taxbilly
he no longer opposes allowing them to serve openly. So how many can fit in the Generals shower?

Guess they can really suck-up to the brass now. /s

43 posted on 01/02/2007 4:57:52 PM PST by righthand man (WE'RE SOUTHERN AND PROUD OF IT)
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To: Ronin

Oy, the black Berets... This was probably the worst idea ever in the history of Uniforms. Our Soldiers are absolute Heroes, and they deserve to wear overseas and visor caps, not frenchy Berets. Glad the Marines stayed away from them.


44 posted on 01/02/2007 4:58:23 PM PST by SolidWood (Sadr lives. Kill him.)
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To: RetiredArmy

I agree... put the gays on point


45 posted on 01/02/2007 4:59:06 PM PST by Gone_Postal (There's plenty of room for all God's creatures..right next to the mashed potatoes)
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To: RetiredArmy

Yeah, nothing in congress is going to come on this. Status quo.


46 posted on 01/02/2007 4:59:36 PM PST by NapkinUser (Tom Tancredo for president of the United States of America in 2008!)
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There may be a connection. From the bio in 41:

"He improved his English, the story goes, by watching John Wayne films."


47 posted on 01/02/2007 4:59:43 PM PST by leadpenny
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To: RetiredArmy

Might as well let them in...since we seem to be so PC we can't let our soldiers kill terrorists with bullets perhaps we would have more success letting a gay battalion "compromise" those big stud moozies in the eyes of their religion - Islam frowns on boys fooling around don't ya know.


48 posted on 01/02/2007 5:00:20 PM PST by HardStarboard (Give Pelosi and Reid Enough Rope to Hang Themselves.)
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To: Gone_Postal
"I agree... put the gays on point"

Let them serve. Serve as cannon fodder./sarc.
49 posted on 01/02/2007 5:01:06 PM PST by Beagle8U
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To: elcid1970

You got me. It must be "the Twilight Zone". Some things are beyond our imagination!


50 posted on 01/02/2007 5:01:59 PM PST by dforest (Liberals love crisis, create crisis and then dwell on them.)
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