Skip to comments.Gen. Shalikashvili: Let Gays Serve in Military
Posted on 01/02/2007 4:12:33 PM PST by RetiredArmy
General Shalikashvili: Let Gays Serve in Military
The Army general who was Joint Chiefs chairman when the Pentagon adopted its "don't ask, don't tell" policy on gays says he no longer opposes allowing them to serve openly.
John Shalikashvili, who retired in 1997 after four years as the nation's top military officer, had argued that allowing homosexuals to serve openly would hurt troop morale and recruitment and undermine the cohesion of combat units. He said he has changed his mind after meeting with gay servicemen.
"These conversations showed me just how much the military has changed, and that gays and lesbians can be accepted by their peers," Shalikashvili wrote in an opinion piece in Tuesday's New York Times.
His view could carry weight at a time when advocates of lifting the restriction on gay service members argue that the military - under the strain of fighting two wars - can ill-afford to exclude any qualified volunteers. It's not clear, however, how much enthusiasm Congress will have for pressing the matter. The current policy, based on legislation passed by Congress in 1993 after a firestorm of debate, states that gays and lesbians may serve in the military only if they keep their sexual orientation private.
Commanders may not ask, and gay service members may not tell. Over the years thousands have been dismissed under this policy.
Shalikashvili is not the first former senior military officer to change his mind about gays in the military, though he is perhaps the most prominent. John Hutson, a retired two-star Navy admiral who was the Navy's top lawyer, said Tuesday he thinks the nation has undergone so much cultural change over the past decade that allowing gays to serve openly in the military would enhance rather than weaken the cohesion of fighting units.
"I think it will absolutely happen," Hutson said in a telephone interview, but probably not during the Bush administration.
Shalikashvili said he expects fierce debate over gays in the military this year as Congress considers President Bush's call for expanding the size of the Army, which is stretched thin by wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Shalikashvili cautioned, however, against pushing for repeal of the ban early in the new Congress, which he said should be focused on urgent priorities like developing a better strategy in Iraq and healing divisions over the war.
"Fighting early in this Congress to lift the ban on openly gay service members is not likely to add to that healing and it risks alienating people whose support is needed to get this country on the right track," he wrote in the Times article.
In explaining his shift on the issue, Shalikashvili also cited a new Zogby poll, commissioned by the Michael D. Palm Center at the University of California at Santa Barbara, of 545 U.S. troops who served in Iraq and Afghanistan. It reported that three quarters said they were comfortable around gay men and lesbians.
The poll, published in December, also said 37 percent opposed allowing gays to serve openly, while 26 percent said they should be allowed and 37 percent were unsure or neutral. Of those who said they were certain that a member of their unit was gay or lesbian, two-thirds did not believe it hurt morale.
C. Dixon Osburn, executive director of Servicemembers Legal Defense Network, an advocate for gay rights, called Shalikashvili's article "enormously significant." Osburn said it reflects a growing trend of military leaders supporting repeal of the "don't ask, don't tell" policy.
So how many can fit in the Generals shower?
Gays were always there, we never made a big deal out of it so long as they didn't bother those who wanted nothing to do with them. Their percentages were very small. I don't think they are going to rush to join even if they OK it.
Isn't this the general that Ketchup boy always quoted?
This guy was a Clintonista general. He has always wanted homosexuals in the Army.
Is it just me, or does "Shalikashvili" sound like the name of a top flight hairdresser. I'm just sayin...
Isn't this the guy whose father was a Colonel in the Waffen-SS? Wonder what their policy was on "gays in the military"?
Believe so an ex-general.
Who cares what sexual orientation soldiers are. If they can learn and execute soldiers skills, then they should be soldiers. If they get up to their low down , sneaky, net workin tricks, and usurp the chain of command,or desert in the face of the enemy, then shoot them.
Thats why don't ask , don't tell is by far the best policy.When you shoot a deserter, it then is not because he was gay, or hetero, it was becuase he was a deserter period.
No, we do NOT want to go there.
He was the worst CJCS of my tenure in the military.
I think it ill be called the "Brokeback Brigade". Good for a Hollywood movie. The only group to attack from the rear!
I am sick and tired of these ex-Generals with their comments. I never particularly liked the guy and was so happy when he retired. I loved General Myers and wish he was back because he was class all the way as the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs and has remained class as the retired Chairman of Joint Chiefs. Gen Myers and SecDef Rumsfeld made a great pair IMHO!
Would love to have this former Army 4-star and Stormin' Norman in a room.
General Franks is moving back to OK and rumor has it he will be running for office here as a Republican.
He's probably a closeted peter-puffer himself.
Cash-veal-ee was/is Clinton's lap dog. Whatever he's selling, I ain't buying!
Marching song: "I Had a Comrade (Literally)"
Recruiter "Can you kill a man?"
Queer "Yeth, but it would take me thimply hours and hours".
I've been retired longer than I was in, and as I look back and remember many who I believe were probably gay, I say, right on, Shali. Who gives a crap. If a man (or woman) can do their job without having a negative effect on their unit, let them serve. Shali was drafted in 58, went to OCS and retired as a four star. His opinion means something to me.
No surprise from a Clintonista.
I guess he forgot to fade away.....
Some of us here in Florida tried to get him to run against Nelson.
Yeah, they've been there okay but they sure were Section 8 out too--and rightfully so. I'll never buy the "It's no big deal" lie, it IS a big deal and always will be, no amount of PC will make it right.
See, we are getting this worked out for the military. They will not fail and get "behind" on this!
The problem would lie in what comes later. After gays are accepted openly into the military, how long until they are demanding special rights just as in society.
Countries that allow homosexuals to serve openly in the military:
Another one of Hillary's mouthpieces trying to get Americans to accept the lib policies they rejected in her first eight years.
exactly- al we hear in the msm is from liberal EX army- we never hardly hear from the more conservative present commanders http://sacredscoop.com
Shali is trying to drag us into the 21st century.
So let the turd burglars go to one of those places to serve!
No he didn't. I think he is looking at the manpower situation and thinks that anyone willing to serve who qualifies should be allowed.
Wasn't this the ding-dong who came up with the black berets for everyone idea?
Hey Gen-rul, Sir! Stuff your monica in your mouth and be quiet.
"Shalikashvili" is Ukrainian for "Hillary fave".
I guess you noticed that the list includes Australia, Israel, and the UK.
Gays were always there..
Right, I might of had to stand Formation with them,,I did not share a foxhole with them..
My mistake, it was Shinseki (sp?). But the sentiment remains. Retired generals should keep their nose out of the active military's business.
Same thing for retired Presidents -- but the Democraps can never manage it anymore.
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Born in Poland. I believe he was drafted the same year as Elvis.
The German song "Ich hatte einen Kameraden" is a requiem to the fallen brave and is sung at soldier's funerals by the armies of many nations.
How it got mixed up in this thread I don't know.
Guess they can really suck-up to the brass now. /s
Oy, the black Berets... This was probably the worst idea ever in the history of Uniforms. Our Soldiers are absolute Heroes, and they deserve to wear overseas and visor caps, not frenchy Berets. Glad the Marines stayed away from them.
I agree... put the gays on point
Yeah, nothing in congress is going to come on this. Status quo.
There may be a connection. From the bio in 41:
"He improved his English, the story goes, by watching John Wayne films."
Might as well let them in...since we seem to be so PC we can't let our soldiers kill terrorists with bullets perhaps we would have more success letting a gay battalion "compromise" those big stud moozies in the eyes of their religion - Islam frowns on boys fooling around don't ya know.
You got me. It must be "the Twilight Zone". Some things are beyond our imagination!