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N.O. murder rate seven to 10 times national rate
nola.com ^ | 01/02/07 | AP

Posted on 01/02/2007 6:15:22 PM PST by Ellesu

NEW ORLEANS (AP) — About the best that could be said of New Orleans' murder rate in 2006 is that it has held relatively steady over the past six months.

The worst is that, if it continues steady for six months more, the city would have a 12-month murder rate about eight to 12 times the national average for cities its size, rather than this year's multiple of seven to 10.

Three New Year's Eve killings brought the city's murder total to 161 for 2006. Depending on which population estimate is used, that works out to a rate of 60 to 81 killings per 100,000 residents. But two-thirds of the murders were in the last half of the year.

"We had 105 homicides in the last two quarters. Double that, and you get to 210. There's no city in recent memory — I don't know what happened in the '20s — that had anything like that," said Peter Scharf, executive director of the Center for Society, Law and Justice at the University of New Orleans.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: katrina; murder; neworleans; nurderrate; rate; religionofpeace; rop
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1 posted on 01/02/2007 6:15:23 PM PST by Ellesu
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To: Ellesu
OK..I'll say it first...

QUAGMIRE

2 posted on 01/02/2007 6:17:08 PM PST by evad
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To: evad

Bush's -----.


3 posted on 01/02/2007 6:18:07 PM PST by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: Ellesu
ooooh, I am sending my kids to the university of NOLA....

Like hell. I would send them to Duke, first.

...or maybe not.

4 posted on 01/02/2007 6:18:17 PM PST by patton (Sanctimony frequently reaps its own reward.)
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To: Ellesu

...and cue the the let's-turn-NOLA-into-wetlands and the it's-God's-punishment folks...


5 posted on 01/02/2007 6:19:50 PM PST by verum ago (The Iranian Space Agency: set phasers to jihad!)
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To: Ellesu

If we'd ship about 150,000 of them back from Houston, they could set all kinds of neat records.


6 posted on 01/02/2007 6:20:12 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Ellesu

Is this the same New Orleans that was reported to be filling up with illegals working on reconstruction, or the one that's corrupt top to bottom?


7 posted on 01/02/2007 6:21:09 PM PST by freedomfiter2 ("Modern, bureaucratic, unionized education is a form of intellectual child abuse." Newt Gingrich)
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To: CaptainK
yours is better...
IBF
8 posted on 01/02/2007 6:21:15 PM PST by evad
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To: Ellesu

Thank goodness they dispatched most of the flooded-out convicts and mental patients to Houston, TX or things would be much, much worse for NOLA! /sarcasm

Was anyone around for the 'Cuban Boat People' rescue during the Carter years? I'll tell you a few stories that are comparable to the Katrina disaster if you're interested...


9 posted on 01/02/2007 6:22:51 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Ellesu

A fallen city..


10 posted on 01/02/2007 6:29:52 PM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: Ellesu

Clearly, the NO police should re-deploy to remote locations outside the city. If there should be a carjacking, murder, or mugging, only then should they dispatch into the city a team to take care of the problem.


11 posted on 01/02/2007 6:31:46 PM PST by C210N (Bush SPIED, Terrorists DIED!)
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To: CaptainK

Fault.


12 posted on 01/02/2007 6:37:49 PM PST by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: Ellesu

Civil War!!!


13 posted on 01/02/2007 6:39:05 PM PST by Ben Mugged (Always cheat; always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.)
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To: Ellesu
I've been in many places, but
New Orleans is the only place where,

I've had a knife pulled on me
I've had a gun pulled on me
I've been chased by muggers
I've been "felt up" my another male
I felt genuinely unsafe walking the streets

I had a close friend murdered after being raped twice

and this was between 1978 - 1986

I'd rather be in Iraq
14 posted on 01/02/2007 6:39:49 PM PST by HangnJudge
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

***Was anyone around for the 'Cuban Boat People' rescue during the Carter years?***

I remember it back in 1959-1961. Florida began it's slide into the toilet.


15 posted on 01/02/2007 6:40:25 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (When someone burns a cross on your lawn the best firehose is an AK-47.)
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To: C210N
Clearly, the NO police should re-deploy to remote locations outside the city.

You mean like Las Vegas?

16 posted on 01/02/2007 6:47:26 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Well, you trumped me! I was going to talk about the prisoners I had to guard at Fort Mc Coy, WI in 1979 and the seemingly endless MILES of concertina wire I had to string, making my beloved Fort McCoy into a prison for blood-thirsty lunatics.

I SWEAR I did NOT put panties on their heads...though some were wearing them that way during in-processing. *Rolleyes*

"The boatlift began to have negative political implications for U.S. President Jimmy Carter when it was discovered that a number of the exiles had been released from Cuban jails and mental health facilities. The exodus was ended by mutual agreement between the two governments in October 1980, but by that time up to 125,000 had made the journey to Florida."

One of them stabbed a state co-worker to death in front of her young daughter. I do NOT have good memories from that year.

Carter: Worst. President. Ever!


17 posted on 01/02/2007 6:49:22 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I imagine most of the civilized people who lived in NO pre-Katrina took their once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to get out and stay out. Not really surprising that the ones who chose to go back are disproportionately violent criminals.


18 posted on 01/02/2007 6:49:43 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
I was there in Madison when the wave of Boat People stabbings and assaults took place. I was bicycling one afternoon in 1981 and saw a crowd gathering around a fellow on the ground at a bus stop on the Capitol Square. When I had a chance to see what was going on it was clear that the poor chap was bleeding profusely from the abdomen. Later the news indicated he died on the way to UW hospital. Funny thing how the first serious winter (1981-1982) was the end of the Marielita crime wave. They didn't like -37F a lot. Thus the crime wave ceased. End of story.
19 posted on 01/02/2007 6:53:04 PM PST by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: evad

Im surprised the MSM hasnt declared it a civil war


20 posted on 01/02/2007 6:54:52 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Ellesu
I think they are still PO'd about the buses.....

Ray.

21 posted on 01/02/2007 6:55:03 PM PST by LasVegasMac (Islam........not fit for human consumption.)
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To: GovernmentShrinker

"I imagine most of the civilized people who lived in NO pre-Katrina took their once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to get out and stay out."

Huh? How does this explain the violent crime rate jump in Houston, TX where most ended up?

No one seems to be releasing any data on the vast number of "upstanding law-abiding citizens of NOLA" who have made a fresh start elsewhere.


22 posted on 01/02/2007 6:59:14 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: GovernmentShrinker

Oh, so sorry! I see what you mean now. Yes, the low-lives would go back to seek their own level. Understood.

I was all wrapped up in my ire for the Cuban mental patients I had to deal with. Crossed threads. I'm human...


23 posted on 01/02/2007 7:02:15 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
N O has always had an outrageous murder rate. The overall crime rate is far above the national average.
If you look at the mayor and his "chocolate city" you have to wonder what the hell he's so proud of.
N O has always been known as being the crookedest city in the USA. Graft, bribes and corrupting is what makes that city tick! There has been billions of federal dollars sent down there for the levies. We all know what didn't happen with that money, it did not get spent on the levies. They had hundreds of cops on the payroll that didn't even exist. All the police bosses ended up in the Caribbean beyond the reach of US law enforcement after the storm. They pissed away all that money and now they want the rest of us to pay the price again. I think Nagin is right where he belongs! Now we need to make sure he stays there!!!! New Orleans should be allowed to be reclaimed by the swamps and the ocean. Every dollar spent down there is a dollar wasted.
24 posted on 01/02/2007 7:04:48 PM PST by oldenuff2no
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To: Wally_Kalbacken

Her name was Lorae Love. She didn't deserve to die the way she did, and her daughter didn't deserve a lifetime of remembering how her Mama died in front of her eyes.

Gawd, I HATE Jimmy Carter! I can't believe how f-ed up this country became in only FOUR short years.


25 posted on 01/02/2007 7:04:58 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Ellesu

And with only half the population it used to have too!


26 posted on 01/02/2007 7:06:40 PM PST by SmoothTalker
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To: Ellesu

Shocking I tell ya.


27 posted on 01/02/2007 7:11:39 PM PST by The South Texan (The Democrat Party and the leftist (ABCCBSNBCCNN NYLATIMES)media are a criminal enterprise!)
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To: HangnJudge

Its a rough town,no doubt.I was lucky.Only had my car battery stolen once,got rocks thrown at me once in 1970 in a strange neighborhood and got cursed out a bunch of times.
I got out in 1977.Before the Crack Monster came to town and the whole bling bling,"I got to get mine,so I'm gonna take yours"ethic came into the mix.
Some good folks down there,however.Even in the hood.Incredible displays of love and hospitality I never will forget.


28 posted on 01/02/2007 7:12:49 PM PST by Riverman94610
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To: Ellesu

60 to 81 per hundred thousand, isn’t that higher that Iraqi?


29 posted on 01/02/2007 7:17:30 PM PST by Red Dog #1
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To: Wally_Kalbacken

We had a bunch break out of Fort Chaffee near Ft. Smith Arkansas. in 1979-1980.

My first post was refering to the first boats load back when Castro first came to power.


30 posted on 01/02/2007 7:18:21 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (When someone burns a cross on your lawn the best firehose is an AK-47.)
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To: Ellesu

It's obviously because of the easy availability of guns in New Orleans. They have guns there that just don't exist anywhere else in the world. /sarcasm


31 posted on 01/02/2007 7:23:25 PM PST by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: oldenuff2no
If the figures remain steady, Sharf notes, that would mean a June-to-June rate of 105 killings per 100,000 residents.

National figures for 2006 won't be in for months. But in 2005, the highest rate in any city was 67 per 100,000 in Compton, Calif., a city of just under 97,000. New Orleans wasn't included in FBI crime statistics last year because of Hurricane Katrina.

Almost twice the highest murder rate for 2005?
32 posted on 01/02/2007 7:25:04 PM PST by gitmo (From now on, ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put.)
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To: Ellesu
However, Police Superintendent Warren Riley says homicides spiked in April, May and July, and new programs are bringing murder under control.

There may be a lot of them, but thank goodness they're controlled murders!

33 posted on 01/02/2007 7:26:34 PM PST by gitmo (From now on, ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Gawd, I HATE Jimmy Carter! I can't believe how f-ed up this country became in only FOUR short years.

As bad as that was, it will seem like paradise compared to eight years of President Hildebeast.

34 posted on 01/02/2007 7:30:17 PM PST by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: Riverman94610
Only had my car battery stolen once,got rocks thrown at me once in 1970 in a strange neighborhood and got cursed out a bunch of times.

Oh yes, I forgot that

2 motorcycles stolen
1 car battery lifted

Great place, I miss it a lot... /sarcasm

My medical school has ceased to exist
as well as where I trained (Charity Hospital)
I have recurrent nightmares of my time there
35 posted on 01/02/2007 7:31:09 PM PST by HangnJudge
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To: HangnJudge

I actually had a dream I had moved BACK there last month.Thank God I woke up.
Do you ever go to nola.com?Great sight for all the latest madness.This week a couple of thugs robbed a Mexican restaurant on South Jeff Parkway.The bartender blasted one dude,the other ran the hell on out.
The remaining customers proceeded to give the wounded robber the butt whipping of his life.
I lived at Dante and Hickory and later at Gen Taylor and Magazine.Used to teach at Carver High in the Ninth Ward.Before Marshall Faulk's time there.


36 posted on 01/02/2007 7:35:25 PM PST by Riverman94610
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To: Riverman94610
I know those dreams...

lived on the 14th block of Canal Street,
dorm for Tulane / LSU Medical schools
Torn down ~10 years ago
Hawthorn Hall I believe it was called

Sez it all
37 posted on 01/02/2007 7:41:24 PM PST by HangnJudge
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To: Ellesu

How's it measure up against Baghdad ?


38 posted on 01/02/2007 7:47:50 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: Ellesu
Why doesn't the MSM compare the murder rate in democrat/liberal New Orleans to Baghdad?? Oh, that's right. That would make the war since trivial compared to murder rates in the states.
39 posted on 01/02/2007 7:53:43 PM PST by antiunion person (If it were left to the libs, kids wouldn't have parents, just trainers)
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To: Ellesu

We need to train the local population to police themselves. How many more American lives will be lost in that civil-war? Seriously, a city that, by comparison, makes Detroit look safe is not somewhere I want to go.


40 posted on 01/02/2007 7:57:16 PM PST by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: HangnJudge
New Orleans is the only place where,

I've had a knife pulled on me

I've had a gun pulled on me

I've been chased by muggers

I've been "felt up" my another male

I felt genuinely unsafe walking the streets

I had a close friend murdered after being raped twice

and this was between 1978 - 1986

Good grief. That is amazing. There is nothing else to say. What a mess of a city.

41 posted on 01/02/2007 8:11:31 PM PST by Zack Nguyen
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To: HangnJudge
My medical school has ceased to exist as well as where I trained (Charity Hospital) I have recurrent nightmares of my time there

I once saw a bunch of people from Charity playing softball up near City Park along Marconi Drive. They all wore matching t-shirts which read: "Charity ER: Where the life you save may one day take yours", or similar words to that effect.

42 posted on 01/02/2007 8:13:02 PM PST by Charles Martel (Liberals are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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To: Ellesu

Would be nice if these reporters would get off their butts , do a little work and report to us who is killing who, etc.


43 posted on 01/02/2007 8:24:01 PM PST by TheLion (How about "Comprehensive Immigration Enforcement," for a change)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
No one seems to be releasing any data on the vast number of "upstanding law-abiding citizens of NOLA" who have made a fresh start elsewhere.

I think I read that they were both killed in Houston by a Katrina 'victim.'

44 posted on 01/02/2007 8:28:12 PM PST by ConservaTexan (February 6, 1911)
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To: evad
Darn ya beat me too it!

We must get out of N.O.! It's a Civil War
45 posted on 01/02/2007 8:43:10 PM PST by gidget7 (2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:)
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To: Red Dog #1
Yes, as is Baltimore, Philly, and Detroit. A lot of other large cities come very close to Baghdad. And that is only Baghdad, not all of Iraq.
46 posted on 01/02/2007 8:49:28 PM PST by gidget7 (2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:)
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To: Ellesu

Glad to see that folks are taking The Road Home.

http://www.road2la.org/

"The program affords eligible homeowners up to $150,000".

Not bad if you live in a $20,000 shotgun shack, and have used all of your FEMA and SBA eligibility.


47 posted on 01/02/2007 9:42:24 PM PST by PAR35
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To: Ellesu

Is this a civil war yet or still an insurgency?


48 posted on 01/02/2007 10:02:15 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Democrat Happens!)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

of the reported murders in baghdad it is a murder rate of 195.41 per 100,000 residents.


49 posted on 01/02/2007 10:15:53 PM PST by ryan125
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To: Riverman94610

"The remaining customers proceeded to give the wounded robber the butt whipping of his life."

Well, the robber won't be repeating his crime anywhere else...he's dead.

http://www.nola.com/news/t-p/frontpage/index.ssf?/base/news-19/1167552726146060.xml&coll=1


50 posted on 01/03/2007 3:18:37 AM PST by Mila
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