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Shot Across Our Bow
Investors Business Daily ^ | 1/2/2007 | Editorial Board

Posted on 01/04/2007 3:31:25 PM PST by Paul Ross

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To: Paul Ross
You mean like the B-2 that the Chinese just stole a whole passel of stealth-secrets on? [Undoubtedly compromising it or any other follow-on]

Your lack of faith in our dynamic capabilities disturbs me.

Of course if you would have stated "our political will as a country" instead of "stolen secrets", it would have made for a thoughtful and interesting discussion on the matter.

21 posted on 01/04/2007 4:38:22 PM PST by EGPWS
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To: APRPEH
And What will by flying off this Carrier?

Possibly a variety of aircraft, inclusinve of their newly purchased SU-33's from Russia


22 posted on 01/04/2007 4:39:40 PM PST by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: EGPWS
Your lack of faith in our dynamic capabilities disturbs me.

I have faith when we have political will. But when the evidence is overwhelming that it is absent...or worse...

23 posted on 01/04/2007 4:41:01 PM PST by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: Cold Heat

I suspect the next generation of space travel will only make large military assets like naval vessels even less important in future large-scale warfare.


24 posted on 01/04/2007 4:44:06 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: Paul Ross

a carrier makes a pretty big blip on a satellite map. from then on, it is just a ICBM or IRBM targeting issue...


25 posted on 01/04/2007 4:44:33 PM PST by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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To: Paul Ross
Our new super stealth fighters and bombers make a large Navy a liability to other than the U.S. Navy...

It makes any other Navy merely targets.. very expensive targets..
OH! and then theres our subs.. and many decades of experience with a nuclear Navy..
And a Navy College that studies cases just like this..

"A man has to know his limitations"- Dirty Harry..
A brand new Chinese navy needs some humility..

26 posted on 01/04/2007 4:45:52 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole)
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To: hosepipe
not to mention that effective carrier operations take a lot of expertise, most of which is gathered as experience during real combat conditions
27 posted on 01/04/2007 4:48:49 PM PST by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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To: Paul Ross
You sure about that?

I'm sure that the Chinese carrier would last about 10 minutes in a shooting war with the United States.

Your post, and the Heritage article, are about Chinese submarines and the size of the Chinese navy in general, and that's a legitimate point to raise. But the Chinese carrier is purely for prestige, period. They can't go carrier-less while regional rival India plans to expand to a 3-carrier navy in the near future. But there's no doubt that we can kill an enemy carrier a lot easier than the Chinese can kill one of ours, at least for the time being.

28 posted on 01/04/2007 4:55:35 PM PST by denydenydeny ("We have always been, we are, and I hope that we always shall be detested in France"--Wellington)
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To: Paul Ross
Possibly a variety of aircraft, inclusinve of their newly purchased SU-33's from Russia

These military appliances such as the SU-33 are a concern perhaps I'd say,if China decided to take Taiwan back, however not a concern for our own sovereignty.

The lack of political backbone would make for a much greater concern.

29 posted on 01/04/2007 5:05:41 PM PST by EGPWS
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To: Paul Ross
The Plan was for the GHWB to replace the Kitty Hawk, and a renovated JFK kept in service. Apparently the JFK's renovation has been cancelled by the White House, and it, and implicitly the Kitty Hawk will both be decommissioned. So we go down from the Congressionally-mandated 12 carrier battle groups to only 10, perhaps getting back to 11 when the GHWB is commissioned.

After the GHWB Is #78, which unfortunately (in my opinion) is likely to be the Gerald R. Ford. It will also be a new class, which will be (unfortunatley, in my opinion) the Ford Class.

30 posted on 01/04/2007 5:30:27 PM PST by Aeronaut (Hebrews 13:4)
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To: FatherofFive

Just watched a program on the History channel about the Russian navy and their various anti ship missiles, some of which are fired in groups of 24 with one taking a high altitude position to mark for the others. If the high one is destroyed another takes its place. Certainly questions the idea of a big Navy unless ships have redundant defenses above and below sea.


31 posted on 01/04/2007 5:40:08 PM PST by mcshot ("If it ain't broke it doesn't have enough features." paraphrased anon.)
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To: Paul Ross

And pray tell us just how that magical $100,000 missile gets within effective range and gets properly targetted without something like a comprehensive Blue Water navy?
***I think maybe a $2M missile could do the trick. China has missiles that they lob past Taiwan whenever they want to cause trouble. A little bit of DSP retrofitting could make those missiles target a big infrared box like a carrier. All the more reason to push the AirBorneLaser:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1761844/posts
Lockheed Martin Providing Solutions for American Missile Defense Program
http://www.militaryglobal.com/reports/288 ^


Prior Posting on different thread:


China Rapidly Modernizes for War With U.S.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1285398/posts?page=1


Posted by Kevin OMalley to neutronsgalore
On News/Activism 12/23/2004 9:43:57 AM PST · 411 of 446


"Their ballistic missile technology is improving every day. It won't be surprising if in 5 to 10 years their tactical ballistic missiles will be accurate enough to pick particular buildings within a targeted base to hit. Send a 100 or more missiles at each base, and there's not enough left standing to mount a defense with. "

With that kind of missile accuracy, hitting as large a target as an aircraft carrier would be just as easy, except that the big boxes move. However, the algorithms for finding a big, boxy radar/infrared signature on the open sea are very straightforward. I'm sure the free traders have already transferred that technology.


32 posted on 01/04/2007 6:23:08 PM PST by Kevmo (Darn, if only I had signed up 4 days earlier, I'd have a 3-digit Freeper #)
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To: bnelson44

Actually, the Navy has been shrinking since Reagan.


33 posted on 01/04/2007 6:24:11 PM PST by rottndog (While reading this tag, remember Tens of Thousands of Americans are risking their lives for you.)
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To: Paul Ross

I see they like the Russian designed foredeck.


34 posted on 01/04/2007 6:46:35 PM PST by ottersnot (Victory in Iraq-If we don't demand it who will?)
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To: chilepepper

You can't project force without carriers.

Something we tend to do a lot of.


35 posted on 01/04/2007 6:48:44 PM PST by ottersnot (Victory in Iraq-If we don't demand it who will?)
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To: Paul Ross; Jeff Head; ALOHA RONNIE; maui_hawaii; Travis McGee; JohnHuang2; doug from upland; ...

I fear the effects of Clintoon on the military will haunt us for years.


36 posted on 01/04/2007 6:52:48 PM PST by SLB (Wyoming's Alan Simpson on the Washington press - "all you get is controversy, crap and confusion")
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To: chilepepper
a carrier makes a pretty big blip on a satellite map.

Of the many egregious myths about military matters, one of the biggest myths is a GREATLY exaggerated sense of the ability of satellites to find and track stuff, largely because of inaccurate portrayals of the use of recon satellites in a lot of bad spy movies.

37 posted on 01/04/2007 7:33:06 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: All; SLB; Calpernia; onyx; ExTexasRedhead

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NEVER FORGET


"It will take decades to undo the damage these two (The CLINTONS) have done to our Country" ...


...Lt. Gen. HAL G. MOORE (Ret.) - 1998

http://www.lzxray.com/guyer_set2.htm
http://www.ArmchairGeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14752


NEVER FORGET

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38 posted on 01/04/2007 7:42:51 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: SLB

"I fear the effects of Clintoon on the military will haunt us for years."


Yep the Chinese gained lots of secrets under the clintuns but they are financing the buildup with yearly $220+ billion trade defecits (and growing) under GW's watch.


39 posted on 01/04/2007 8:24:45 PM PST by trtwox
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To: Doohickey; SmithL
Interesting Bubblehead stuff.......p...ing
40 posted on 01/04/2007 8:33:24 PM PST by BIGLOOK (Keelhauling is a sensible solution to mutiny.)
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