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A year full of school sex raps (NYC public schools set new abuse record)
(New York) DAILY NEWS ^ | January 5, 2007 | ERIN EINHORN

Posted on 01/05/2007 9:13:41 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o

City teachers, principals and other school workers were accused of more crimes by school investigators in 2006 than in any recent year, a new report shows. Of the 259 allegations that special schools investigator Richard Condon leveled at school employees last year, he turned a record-high 101 cases over to federal or state prosecutors for possible criminal probes. That's up 68% from 2005, when only 60 cases were referred to prosectors and higher than any year since Condon's office started keeping track in 2002.

Among alleged wrongdoers was a middle school math teacher accused of having sex with a 14-year-old student he was supposed to be tutoring; an elementary school teacher who allegedly groped a 10 year-old; a trusted Department of Education secretary who invented a fake child to dupe taxpayers out of $116,000 worth of special-education tutoring, and a Brooklyn principal accused of stealing more than $10,000 from her school.

Condon credited the city's 311 phone system, greater vigilance by school auditors and publicity about consequences for school employees who fail to report wrongdoing for the record 2,552 complaints his office received last year. Of those, Condon pursued 638 cases and found enough evidence to make an accusation in 259 cases.

Cases included 86 school employees - including as many as 56 teachers - accused of sexual misconduct ranging from rape to relationships with students to sexual harassment.

Condon recommended 121 firings last year, most of which are still pending due to union procedures. Only 41 of those firings have taken effect.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: education; moralabsolutes; nyc; publicschools; schools; sexabuse
Here's my solution:

Seize all the personnel records, correspondance and documents of the school district, going back 50 years. Gin up a couple dozen multi-million dollar lawsuits. Watch and grin as the school district has to sell off schools, offices, equipment, real estate, and maybe go into bankruptcy in order to pay off settlements for incidents that happened in the 1970's and 1980's, and up to the present.

Put everybody's name and picture out to the media: the suspected, the accused, the convicted, the living and the dead.

Drastic?

Isn't that what they're doing to the Catholics?

1 posted on 01/05/2007 9:13:44 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o
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To: Mrs. Don-o

If they would just let these teachers marry, there wouldn't be any problem. -sarc


2 posted on 01/05/2007 9:16:52 AM PST by frogjerk (REUTERS: We give smoke and mirrors a bad name)
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To: Tired of Taxes; Republicanprofessor; mcvey; JamesP81; DaveLoneRanger; jasoncann; NYer; Coleus; ...

Ping-a-ling


3 posted on 01/05/2007 9:17:23 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (All in all, it's just another brick in the wall.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Ha--yeah but the libs wanted to take the Catholic Church out, which they did, the public school system is part and parcel of the liberal model, so it will never be treated the same.


4 posted on 01/05/2007 9:20:13 AM PST by Pondman88
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Interesting point there!


5 posted on 01/05/2007 9:21:13 AM PST by MissEdie (Liberalscostlives)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

2,552 sex abuse cases in one year. Multiply that by 50 years, and you get 127,600 cases. That's probably a little inflated, since perhaps many of the cases would have taken place over several years. Then again, the Catholic priesthood, about 1/3 the size of the NYC teachers' workforce had fewer than 1,000 over 50 years, IIRC.


6 posted on 01/05/2007 9:21:39 AM PST by dangus (Pope calls Islam violent; Millions of Moslems demonstrate)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Predators will find the path of least resistance to get to their victims. The Catholic Church in the past made it easier for the predators to get in via the seminaries because of pc and lax policies toward gays. That is changing.

Trying to wean out the predators in the public school teachers is going to be harder because of union hiring and firing rules and because of PC politicians trying to score points with lib voters by being "tolerant".

IMHO.

7 posted on 01/05/2007 9:22:01 AM PST by frogjerk (REUTERS: We give smoke and mirrors a bad name)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

But we only hear about the priests in the media. Go figure?


8 posted on 01/05/2007 9:32:29 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: frogjerk
If they would just let these teachers marry, there wouldn't be any problem.

***********

LOL! It does illustrate the ludicrousness of that argument, doesn't it?

9 posted on 01/05/2007 9:36:08 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Condon recommended 121 firings last year, most of which are still pending due to union procedures. Only 41 of those firings have taken effect.

Cover-up! Scandal! Lawsuits! Lawsuits! Lawsuits!

Oh wait, these aren't Catholic priests?



Nevermind.
10 posted on 01/05/2007 9:37:56 AM PST by Antoninus ( Rudy McRomney as the GOP nominee = President Hillary. Why else do you think the media loves them?)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Bookmarking this sucker...


11 posted on 01/05/2007 9:39:10 AM PST by Antoninus ( Rudy McRomney as the GOP nominee = President Hillary. Why else do you think the media loves them?)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Why how could this be? To hear your Bloomy Mayor talk, schools in New York are pure, angelic places to be, the children listen and only talk when asked, they leave their cell-phones, guns, bow and arrows, etc. at the door when they enter.....

Gosh what happened?????


12 posted on 01/05/2007 9:47:53 AM PST by HarleyLady27 (My ? to libs: "Do they ever shut up on your planet?" "Grow your own DOPE: Plant a LIB!")
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To: Mrs. Don-o
"...121 firings last year, most of which are still pending due to union procedures."

Unions doing such a GREAT job of protecting the incompetent and crminal once again...

13 posted on 01/05/2007 10:14:42 AM PST by GoldCountryRedneck ("Idiocy - Never under estimate the power of stupid people in large numbers" - despair.com)
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To: frogjerk

They should let women become teachers.


14 posted on 01/05/2007 10:17:41 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Barack Saddam Hussein Obama)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Isn't that what they're doing to the Catholics?

I think your idea has excellent ramifications - the end of government schools in NYC.

But the difference between the NYC school scandals and that of the Catholic Priest Scandals is that of proximity of justice.

That was the real scandal in the Church, that it was justice denied, crimes covered up for so many years.

Is there evidence for a coverup on a massive scale for these crimes in the city schools ?

If so, then your comparison is valid.

15 posted on 01/05/2007 11:00:36 AM PST by happygrl
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To: happygrl
I see no evidence of prosecuting attorneys going after the NYC School District's correspondance files and personnel records over the past 50 years so they can comb them for evidence of malfeasance. Hofstra University Researcher Charol Shakeshaft --- Google that name and you'll get tons of information --- not only found a higher incidence of abuse percentage-wise in pubic schools than in Catholic institutions, but found the level of vigilance and safeguards far lower:

(From School Reform News, Sept. 2004):

"A few years ago, for example, a review of 412 teachers hired by the Cleveland, Ohio school district disclosed only 26 had undergone required background checks. Not only did 192 school employees have felony convictions, the Cleveland Plain Dealer reported, but 27 of them had three or more."

Evidence of cover-up? Who needs to cover up if nobody is looking?

16 posted on 01/05/2007 11:16:58 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (All in all, it's just another brick in the wall.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

The double standard is disgusting. But then the public school system is beloved by the left, the media, the feminazis and can do no wrong.
The Catholic church is hated by the left, the media, and the feminazis.
That explains the double standard.


17 posted on 01/05/2007 11:24:57 AM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged

And to your remarks let us say, Amen!


18 posted on 01/05/2007 11:57:31 AM PST by mcvey (Fight on. Do not give up. Ally with those you must. Defeat those you can. And fight on whatever.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; Born Conservative; kenth; CatoRenasci; Marie; PureSolace; Congressman Billybob; ...

Education ping list
Let Republicanprofessor, McVey, JamesP81, or eleni121 know if you wish to be placed on this ping list or taken off it.


19 posted on 01/05/2007 11:59:23 AM PST by mcvey (Fight on. Do not give up. Ally with those you must. Defeat those you can. And fight on whatever.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
My point, though, is that if a child and his/her parents bring an accusation against a teacher, the authorities generally investigate it at the time it occurs (I'm sure that there are exceptions). There isn't someone intermediary running interference.

Again, this was the coverup.

With regard to the comparisons between the rate of sex crimes of Catholic schools and public schools, your data underlines the superiority of the climate and standards created in Catholic schools. This should be underscored in the Catholic Church's PR.

If the MSM was fair, it would also be illuminated in the MSM. But it has had, as its mission, the denigration of Catholics.

20 posted on 01/05/2007 12:02:53 PM PST by happygrl
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bookmark


21 posted on 01/05/2007 12:07:36 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Not nearly drastic enough. One needs to go medieval on them and start setting the perps in a tree stump [a stump was split with a wedge, the perp was forced to sit on it with his appendages in the slot, and then the splitting wedge was pulled out on him amidst general rejoicing and celebrations]. A few tree stumps done in public - and the morals and practices would improve beyond belief and wildest imagination.


22 posted on 01/05/2007 12:54:02 PM PST by GSlob
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To: mcvey; Mrs. Don-o; DaveLoneRanger; 2Jedismom; Aggie Mama; agrace; Antoninus; arbooz; bboop; blu; ...

ANOTHER REASON TO HOMESCHOOL

This ping list is for the "other" articles of interest to homeschoolers about education and public school. If you want on/off this list, please freepmail me. The main Homeschool Ping List by DaveLoneRanger handles the homeschool-specific articles.

Thanks for the pings to Mrs. Don-o and mcvey.

23 posted on 01/05/2007 1:20:33 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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Dear Mrs. Don-o,

Works for me.

On a per capita basis, the abuse cited here is probably two or three orders of magnitude greater than that which afflicted the Church.


sitetest


24 posted on 01/05/2007 1:29:18 PM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
they had a guidance counselor who was a member of nambla and they still did nothing to him.
25 posted on 01/05/2007 1:36:04 PM PST by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, insects)
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To: jasoncann


26 posted on 01/05/2007 1:36:57 PM PST by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, insects)
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To: Coleus

incredible


27 posted on 01/05/2007 1:46:35 PM PST by Nihil Obstat (viva il papa)
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To: happygrl

For some reason --- and I really don't understand way ---much child abuse comes to light only years or decades after the offense, when the now-adult victim seeks redress.

It might be that the child victim is either deeply confused or deeply frightened, or tells his story in some uncertain terms and is not believed; or it might be that the adult realizes that his ongoing emotional problems stem from his early experience of abuse; or it might be the publicity of widescale prosecutions (and multi-million-dollar settlements) that causes people to, at last, remember past offenses.

An ugly business altogether.

Let those who know more about it, chime in here.


28 posted on 01/05/2007 1:48:54 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (All in all, it's just another brick in the wall.)
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To: sitetest
"On a per capita basis, the abuse cited here is probably two or three orders of magnitude greater than that which afflicted the Church."

Hmm. From what I remember from high school math, an order of magnitude in base ten usually means an exponential change in a power of ten. Like, "one order of magnitude" means 10 times as much; "two orders of mangitude" means 10 superscript 2, or 100 times as much.

Do you think the abuse in the public schools is 100 times as much as in Catholic institutions? Or more?

I think Shakeshaft's estimates are along those lines, but it's hard to grasp the magnitude.

29 posted on 01/05/2007 2:01:09 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (All in all, it's just another brick in the wall.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Dear Mrs. Don-o,

Yes, I believe that the abuse rampant in public schools generally is about 100 times what it was in the Catholic Church. Perhaps more.

But unlike the Catholic Church, which is a private entity, public schools are an arm of the government, and thus enjoy significant legal immunities not granted to others.


sitetest


30 posted on 01/05/2007 2:09:09 PM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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"Condon recommended 121 firings last year, most of which are still pending due to union procedures. Only 41 of those firings have taken effect."

From this story:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/Commentary/com-2_15_06_JS.html

One New York teacher decided that one of his 16-year-old students was hot. So he sat down at a computer and sent a sexual e-mail to Cutee101.

"He admits this," said Klein. "We had the e-mail."

"You can't fire him?"

"It's almost impossible."

It's almost impossible because of the rules in the New York schools' 200-page contract with their teachers. There are so many rules that principals rarely even try to jump through all the hoops to fire a bad teacher. It took six years of expensive litigation before the teacher who wrote Cutee101 was fired. During those six years, he received more than $300,000 in salary.

"Up, down, around, we've paid him," said the chancellor. "He hasn't taught, but we've had to pay him, because that is what is required under the contract."

Hundreds of teachers the city calls incompetent, racist, or dangerous have been paid millions.

And what do they do while they get paid? They sit in rubber rooms.

They're not really made of rubber, of course. They are big, empty rooms where they store the teachers they are afraid to let near the kids. The teachers go there and sit, hang around, read magazines, and waste time. The city pays $20 million a year to house teachers in rubber rooms.

A new union contract is supposed to make it easier to fire teachers for sexual infractions, but the Byzantine rules for other offenses remain. Insane as most are, some teachers told me they support the firing rules. "You prove I'm a bad teacher!" said one. "And if you can't prove it, don't try it!"

The restrictions on firing teachers are defended as a means of protecting teachers from favoritism. But if schools and principals had to compete, good teachers would be protected by competition itself: If a principal's job depends on having good people working for him, he won't sacrifice it to give a favored incompetent a job he can't do.

Taking six years to fire a teacher doesn't do anyone any good -- except bad teachers. So why do it? The short answer is unions. The long answer is next week's column.



31 posted on 01/05/2007 2:12:40 PM PST by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/optimism_nov8th.htm)
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To: frogjerk
"Trying to wean out the predators in the public school teachers is going to be harder because of union hiring and firing rules and because of PC politicians trying to score points with lib voters by being "tolerant"."

While I agree in general, I have to take exception to your conclusion of the reason for this. The reason we're seeing so much of this sort of thing with so little outrage from parents and/or action on the part of politicians is that as a society we simply don't care about our children like we once did.

Oh, I'm not pointing the finger at any individual. I love my kids (which is why we've never had them in a public school), and I'm sure you love your kids. But as a general rule, we as a society place political correctness above the best interests and safety of our kids. It's more important for most adults to feel that they are "tolerant" then to protect their kids.

If we see a direct threat, like a proven criminal in our schools, then it's easy to get our attention and action. But, when we see someone/someone who should arise our suspicions because they fit into a category of someone who might be far more likely to victimize our children, most parents can't bring themselves to take action.

It's a sad fact, but a fact nonetheless, that our nation's children are largely unloved.
32 posted on 01/06/2007 9:04:31 AM PST by RavenATB (Patton was right...)
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To: RavenATB

correction: someone/something


33 posted on 01/06/2007 9:16:36 AM PST by RavenATB (Patton was right...)
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To: sitetest

"Yes, I believe that the abuse rampant in public schools generally is about 100 times what it was in the Catholic Church. Perhaps more."

I agree...especially if you include the child/child abuse. Bottom line is that public schools are not a safe place to be putting children. They're hotbeds of liberal brainwashing, they're friendly to the worst influences, they invite children to question their parents' authority and intentions, they preach unproven theories as gospel, and they're some of the most violent and drug-infested places a child will ever experience.


34 posted on 01/06/2007 10:37:07 AM PST by RavenATB (Patton was right...)
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To: RavenATB

bump


35 posted on 01/06/2007 3:46:37 PM PST by RavenATB (Patton was right...)
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