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U.S.-Mexico Pact Revealed: Billions to Non-citizens
Newsmax ^ | January 5, 2007 | Dave Eberhart

Posted on 01/05/2007 10:42:16 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

WASHINGTON -- As a result of lawsuits, the U.S. government released this week the actual U.S.-Mexico Social Security Totalization Agreement, an understanding signed between the Bush administration and the Mexican government in 2004 that would funnel billions of U.S. Social Security funds to Mexican citizens.

TREA Senior Citizens League, a Washington-based nonpartisan seniors group, announced this week that after Freedom of Information Act lawsuits it filed against the government, it had received the secret agreement document.

Brad Phillips, a spokesperson for TREA, told NewsMax that the language in the agreement "raises more questions than it answers — such as what is the cost and who is going to pay."

The Government Accountability Office (GAO) has already warned that as a result of this agreement, the number of unauthorized Mexican workers and family members eligible for social security benefits will likely increase.

The Dreaded Loophole

TREA and other watchdog groups were hopeful that the agreement would directly address, and perhaps even moot, the hot-button issue of illegal immigrants at some point claiming U.S. Social Security benefits.

"A law called the Social Security Protection Act of 2004 forbids illegal immigrants from claiming Social Security benefits — but a loophole exists," Phillips explained.

"If an immigrant gains what's called a valid ‘work-authorized' Social Security number at some point, then he or she could eventually file a claim for benefits. The government would use all earnings to calculate the retirement benefit — even earnings while working illegally," Phillips added.

The U.S. commissioner of Social Security signed the agreement with the director general of the Mexican Social Security Institute on June 29, 2004. TREA has fought to make it public for over three and a half years, according to a press release from the organization.

In the meantime, the agreement has been slowly making its way through mandated reviews by the State Department and the White House. Once the White House submits it to Congress, lawmakers will have 60 legislative days to review it.

Either chamber may vote to pass a Resolution of Disapproval of the agreement — or it will take effect automatically at the end of the 60-day period. Furthermore, the Mexican Senate must affirmatively approve the totalization agreement.

In general, Totalization Agreements are between the United States and other countries to coordinate their respective social security programs. For instance, such agreements typically work to eliminate the need to pay social security taxes in both countries — when companies in one country send workers to the other country. Also they are crafted to protect benefit eligibility for workers who split their working careers between the two countries.

According to TREA, if an illegal worker working in the United States today gets a "work authorized" Social Security number — through guest-worker immigration legislation, the Totalization Agreement, or perhaps just over time — that worker could eventually apply for Social Security benefits once the worker has met eligibility requirements.

Unfair Advantage

For example, say TREA officials, a worker who turns 62 after 1990 generally needs 40 calendar quarters of coverage to receive retirement benefits. Under Totalization Agreements, workers are allowed to combine earnings from both countries in order to qualify for benefits.

The agreement with Mexico, like other Totalization Agreements, would allow workers to qualify with just six quarters, or 18 months, of U.S. coverage.

In addition, advised TREA, that worker could be able to claim credits for work performed while in the United States illegally. The SSA maintains an "earnings suspense file," which tracks wages that cannot be posted to individual workers' records because there is no match for a name and Social Security number.

Once an immigrant gains access to a work authorized Social Security number — whether a legal citizen or not — wages earned while in the United States unlawfully could be reinstated to the worker's new Social Security account, warned TREA officers.

Such writing-on-the-wall concerns are not just being sounded by TREA, however.

Warnings by the GAO

In a recent special report to Congress, the GAO voiced a number of issues latent in the agreement:

Playing by the Rules

"The Social Security Administration itself warns that Social Security is within decades of bankruptcy — yet, they seem to have no problem making agreements that hasten its demise," said Ralph McCutchen, chairman of TREA.

"Our 1.2 million elderly members didn't play by the rules and sacrifice through difficult times so we could fund millions of workers who crossed the border and decided to work here illegally," McCutchen added.

TREA officers also warn that Mexico's retirement system is radically different than that of other participating countries.

For example, only 40 percent of non-government workers participate in Mexico's system, whereas 96 percent of America's non-government workers do. In addition, the U.S. system is progressive, meaning lower wage earners get back much more than they put in; in Mexico, workers get back only what they put in, plus accrued interest.

Uncovering the Ugly Truth

"I applaud the persistent efforts of TREA Senior Citizens League to try to get documents from the U.S. government about the U.S.-Mexico Social Security Totalization Agreement," said Rep. Walter Jones, R-N.C. "The American people are finally beginning to get some of the information regarding this Agreement that they have been seeking for so long."

According to the Social Security Administration, the Social Security Trust Fund will begin paying out more than it is taking in by 2017, and will be exhausted by the year 2040.

Phillips noted that [before the emergence of the agreement] "the Administration always called it ludicrous to suggest that illegal immigrants could get their hands on our Social Security."

"We not hearing that anymore," Phillips lamented.

© NewsMax 2007. All rights reserved.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; bushamnesty; gummintgiveaways; illegalaliens; illegals; immigrantlist; invasionusa; mexico; otherpeoplesmoney; socialsecurity; spendingspree; totalization; unitedstates; usa
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1 posted on 01/05/2007 10:42:19 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Quit now to keep them from getting money.


2 posted on 01/05/2007 10:44:37 AM PST by wastedyears ("By failing to prepare, you are preparing to fail." - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

It is a wonder that the United States has lasted this long.


3 posted on 01/05/2007 10:44:38 AM PST by unkus
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To: 3D-JOY; abner; Abundy; AGreatPer; alisasny; ALlRightAllTheTime; AlwaysFree; AnnaSASsyFR; ...
¡EL PINGO!
4 posted on 01/05/2007 10:44:45 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Dont overestimate the decency of the human race. H. L. Mencken)
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To: unkus

It'll be like Terminator: Rise of the Machines, except Skynet in this case is our own American government. Only a matter of time before all the Sarah and John Conners are locked up.


6 posted on 01/05/2007 10:45:56 AM PST by wastedyears ("By failing to prepare, you are preparing to fail." - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Good Lord. My poor country.


7 posted on 01/05/2007 10:47:34 AM PST by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made outta liberals...)
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To: unkus

I think it is time for a march on Washington


8 posted on 01/05/2007 10:47:46 AM PST by Hildy (Words are mere bubbles of water...but deeds are drops of gold.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks; unkus; wastedyears; janetgreen; stainlessbanner

From Mexico: THANK YOU VERY MUCH GRINGOS! ALL YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY ARE BELONG TO US NOW!


9 posted on 01/05/2007 10:49:47 AM PST by Howard Jarvis Admirer (Howard Jarvis, the foe of the tax collector and friend of the California homeowner)
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To: wastedyears

You've got that right. At this rate, we will become a 3rd or even a 4th World Country within 25 years. Poor children and young people. But I guess that by then they won't know what they will be missing. America is so dumbded down now that I guess by then, they will be content living like worker ants with their daily crumbs of stale bread.


10 posted on 01/05/2007 10:50:57 AM PST by unkus
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Somewhere in the dark recesses of my brain there are tinkling questions as to why I voted for President Bush a second time.


11 posted on 01/05/2007 10:51:02 AM PST by madison10
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

What do they care, they get pensions funded by us outside of the SSN ponsi-scheme, protected and guaranteed. Hell, they even let large corps default on thier retirement plans when asked nicely.
It's no skin off thier nose, us serfs need to shut up and go back to the fields.


12 posted on 01/05/2007 10:53:43 AM PST by TheKidster (you can only trust government to grow, consolidate power and infringe upon your liberties.)
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To: madison10

...then they go away after considering what the alternative is/was.


13 posted on 01/05/2007 10:54:26 AM PST by madison10
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To: wastedyears

Social Security for Dummies:

"To receive most Social Security retirement benefits, a person must be "fully insured," which simply means that he or she has worked for a long enough time and has put enough money into the system. This is tracked using credits: You receive one credit for each quarter-year you work. So if you work for an entire year, you earn a total of four credits. To be eligible for retirement benefits, you need 40 credits. Since you can't earn more than four credits per year, you have to work for at least 10 years to ensure full eligibility. You have to earn a certain amount of money each quarter to get a credit for that quarter. This amount increases each year to adjust for inflation. In 2003, it was $890."

http://money.howstuffworks.com/social-security.htm

So I gather that American citizens can retire with 18 months credit now?

Where's the flying pig picture?


14 posted on 01/05/2007 10:59:03 AM PST by OpusatFR ( ALEA IACTA EST. We have just crossed the Rubicon.)
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To: Hildy

in the works....see my tagline, scheduled for Flad Day weekend. Not just in D.C., all across the country!


15 posted on 01/05/2007 10:59:55 AM PST by Kimberly GG (PATRIOTS MARCH TO "TAKE BACK AMERICA" (www.lframerica.com ))
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To: madison10

Most people have attributed his pro-hispanic leanings to various motives, but I think it is as simple as his sister-in-law (Jeb's wife) and nieces and nephews. Recall Papa Bush and his love for his "little brown children."


16 posted on 01/05/2007 11:07:08 AM PST by WVNan
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

There is no reason Mexico should not be on par with the US and Canada economically. The US is essentially subsidizing Mexican corruption.


17 posted on 01/05/2007 11:09:21 AM PST by MSF BU
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To: MSF BU

The bushbots should be along any time now to tell us all how we are misreading this. That this is a good thing. And that King George can do no wrong.


18 posted on 01/05/2007 11:11:56 AM PST by LilyBean
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Our government hates us and loves the sweet evil whispering acolades of the media devils.


19 posted on 01/05/2007 11:12:02 AM PST by junta (It's Jihad stupid! It's the borders stupid! It's Political Correctness stupid!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Social Security to illegals will fit in real well with the NAU. What a mess this country is getting itself into.

A lot of people say "follow the money". Well, I would like to follow the money on the Bush family but for some reason they are not listed by Forbes.


20 posted on 01/05/2007 11:24:13 AM PST by texastoo ("trash the treaties")
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To: madison10

Because a John Kerry administration would have been much, much worse. But it would have been easier to explain all of the changes that are going on with our government. What happened to conservative ideals in this country?


21 posted on 01/05/2007 11:28:35 AM PST by fourmation599 (Infidel is in the eye of the beholder)
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To: wastedyears
>>>Quit now to keep them from getting money.<<<<

No, but I think an organization of taxpayers that threatens to withhold payment if their tax money is to go to Mexican lawbreakers might have some effect!

22 posted on 01/05/2007 11:31:30 AM PST by HardStarboard (Give Pelosi and Reid Enough Rope to Hang Themselves.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Is George W. Bush awake? Some of the stuff he has let go past him is just absurd. His ideas on anything remotely connected to Mexican immigration are just box-of-rocks stupid.

We need a president that's been poor. Someone that has some idea what the value of a dollar is. I supported "W" for many years, from way back when nobody was paying much attention to him. My error was that I did not take in to account all that dough he made off the taxpayers on the Texas stadium deal. Anyone that can mooch off the taxpayer like that isn't someone I shold have voted for.

Now we have Pelosi and the Democrats in office. Why is that? The anwer is simply that when the Republicans become Democrats they lose elections.

23 posted on 01/05/2007 11:39:11 AM PST by isthisnickcool (If you can't light a fire in the vacuum of space what's the deal with the Sun?)
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To: WVNan
Most people have attributed his pro-hispanic leanings to various motives, but I think it is as simple as his sister-in-law (Jeb's wife) and nieces and nephews. Recall Papa Bush and his love for his "little brown children."

...but we don't have to love ALL the "little brown children."

24 posted on 01/05/2007 11:44:25 AM PST by madison10
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To: fourmation599
Because a John Kerry administration would have been much, much worse. But it would have been easier to explain all of the changes that are going on with our government. What happened to conservative ideals in this country?

What happened was that conservatives stopped thinking about the consequencs of their actions and let the GOP do their thinking for them.

What about a Bill Bradley administration?

Or, an Alan Keyes administration?

There were many people running against Bush in 2000.

What exactly did you think Bush meant when, in 1999 he said, "There ought to be limits to freedom" after trying to sic the FEC on a parody web site owner?

I knew then the cut of Bush's jib. Like his daddy before him, he never met a big-government snake-oil he didn't love.

25 posted on 01/05/2007 11:47:58 AM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (Karen Ryan reporting...)
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To: texastoo

if you do follow the money you end up back at Brown Root (Halliburton)in Texas circa 1935 (Cf. Cato's LBJ bio)


26 posted on 01/05/2007 11:49:33 AM PST by Republicus2001
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To: isthisnickcool
I supported "W" for many years, from way back when nobody was paying much attention to him.

Did you support him when in 1999, he said, "There ought to be limits to freedom" and tried to get the FEC to shut down a parody web site?

27 posted on 01/05/2007 11:50:29 AM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (Karen Ryan reporting...)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Someone tell me why I voted for Bush!


28 posted on 01/05/2007 11:50:38 AM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged
Someone tell me why I voted for Bush!

Because you're a lemming who only does what the GOP says? </kidding>

I voted for Alan Keyes in 2000.

29 posted on 01/05/2007 11:52:23 AM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (Karen Ryan reporting...)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

¡ Que !


30 posted on 01/05/2007 11:54:42 AM PST by uddaudd (7 days - 7 ways Guero >>> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona....)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Unbelievable! Bookmark.


31 posted on 01/05/2007 11:57:18 AM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: Republicus2001

I always wonder why we never hear about the Bush's fortune. I remember H. Bush receiving stock for payment of a speech at some company but don't recall the name of the company. We hear about the Kennedy fortune so why not the Bush fortune?


32 posted on 01/05/2007 11:58:48 AM PST by texastoo ("trash the treaties")
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

"Our Country won't go on forever, if we stay soft as we are now. There won't be any AMERICA because some foreign soldiery will invade us and take our women and breed a hardier race!"
-Lt. Gen. Lewis B. "Chesty" Puller, USMC


33 posted on 01/05/2007 12:01:19 PM PST by Patriot Hooligan ("God have mercy on my enemies because I won't." General George S. Patton)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

john gambling on wabc NYC radio has been covering this issue daily for weeks now. its finally starting to get some play.


34 posted on 01/05/2007 12:02:54 PM PST by oceanview
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To: madison10
Somewhere in the dark recesses of my brain there are tinkling questions as to why I voted for President Bush a second time.

John Kerry.

35 posted on 01/05/2007 12:10:20 PM PST by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged

Albert Gore and John Kerry.


36 posted on 01/05/2007 12:14:33 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Dont overestimate the decency of the human race. H. L. Mencken)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Newsmax? Hasn't the MSM seen fit to report on this?
38 posted on 01/05/2007 12:19:40 PM PST by Plutarch
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To: potlatch; Tolerance Sucks Rocks

39 posted on 01/05/2007 12:22:58 PM PST by devolve ( ....shop_invest_and_hire_wisely)
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To: Plutarch

Do I detect the slightest whiff of sarcasm?

LOL!


40 posted on 01/05/2007 12:24:51 PM PST by Constitution Day ("Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored." Aldous Huxley)
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To: devolve

I hate reading the news anymore! Maybe we should just sell the US for $1.00 to Mexico and the terrorist and not go through it all step by step.


43 posted on 01/05/2007 12:27:06 PM PST by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: madison10

I renew an earlier question....did George Bush have a stroke at the start of his second term that we weren't told about? A sharp blow to the head? A brain tumor?

Second question: Why, why, why can we not find someone decent for that job who won't sell us up the river? Three Presidents in a row that suck. Good grief.


44 posted on 01/05/2007 12:28:29 PM PST by ark_girl
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged
Someone tell me why I voted for Bush!

Maybe the same reason I did in 2000? - I believed the lie that he was a conservative. That was the lie of the century, and since he took office he has betrayed every conservative principle that ever existed.

America needs a strong third party to protect us from socialists like him and his cronies in "both" parties.

45 posted on 01/05/2007 12:28:44 PM PST by janetgreen (NO AMNESTY EVER AGAIN!!)
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To: potlatch

Might be your safest route. :(


46 posted on 01/05/2007 12:29:54 PM PST by LilyBean
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Because while Bush has left MUCH to be desired, the alternatives were much worse. Although now, it's hard to see how much since we effectively have a democrat as President and a democrat congress with Republicans who won't stand up to them more than likely....at least they haven't given us ANY reason to believe they will.


47 posted on 01/05/2007 12:31:43 PM PST by ark_girl
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To: LilyBean; devolve
Lol, I forgot the sarcasm tag!
48 posted on 01/05/2007 12:32:55 PM PST by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: janetgreen; All
For years I have been saying that Bush is not and has never been a conservative. I continually got bashed, called names, told I wasn't a conservative, etc...

But I and others have been proven right as others eyes are now finally being opened.

But a little trivia for all of you. Who posted this back in Oct. 1999...

If anyone thinks that Father (and powerful supporters) won't have an influence on Son, you're crazy. Don't you ever wonder how and why the politically inexperienced, bad boy, G W Bush, got himself born again, rehabilitated and groomed to become governor of Texas? Not to mention front-runner in the Presidential race? What experience did/does he have for either position? A Bush presidency will be very dangerous for America.

Anybody care to guess? A hint, this poster became one of Bush's staunchest defenders and praised him as a true conservative for years following this quote. Good luck.

49 posted on 01/05/2007 12:38:03 PM PST by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: Phantom Lord
A Bush presidency will be very dangerous for America.

A prophecy which became reality.

50 posted on 01/05/2007 12:48:44 PM PST by janetgreen (NO AMNESTY EVER AGAIN!!)
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