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Treatment has sheik wary of returning home
The Australian ^ | January 06, 2007 | Martin Chulov

Posted on 01/05/2007 5:13:20 PM PST by Fred Nerks

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To: GSlob

"ostracism"

Now that's an excellent idea. I prefer humour and humiliation myself. They are asking for it.


51 posted on 01/05/2007 8:05:40 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf download. Link on my bio page.)
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To: manic4organic
How can we replicate this in the U.S?

Oh, I wish I knew! I think, first you have to get rid of CAIR! And then flush PC down the Loo!

52 posted on 01/05/2007 8:09:17 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf download. Link on my bio page.)
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To: Clemenza

tell me that a 'skip' means please?


53 posted on 01/05/2007 8:12:26 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf download. Link on my bio page.)
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that=what.
sorry


54 posted on 01/05/2007 8:13:52 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf download. Link on my bio page.)
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To: RebelBanker

Interesting. I wonder if that 1.5 million is a true figure. I Googled:

Number of Muslims in the U.S.
Nobody knows.

This is a political hot-potato. Some non-Muslims have accused Muslims of exaggerated their numbers in order to obtain more political clout. Some Muslims have accused non-Muslims of releasing false, low numbers in order to "marginalize" Islam. 4 In religion, as in war, truth is often the first casualty.

Estimates of the number of Muslims in North America range from a little over one million adults to seven million adults and children. One cause of the disagreement appears to be related to the percentage of Muslim immigrants:

Who have abandoned Islam since they arrived in the US, or
Who still consider themselves to be Muslims, but who do not participate in mosque activities.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/isl_numb.htm


55 posted on 01/05/2007 8:19:58 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf download. Link on my bio page.)
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To: RebelBanker

Here's another one:

POPULATION FIGURES

It is very difficult to estimate the precise number of Muslims currently living in the United States. Muslims tend to put the number somewhat higher than non-Muslim scholars and demographers; the estimated figures range widely - from around two million in one study to as many as seven million. There are several reasons for the varying estimates. First, because the U.S. Constitution mandates a separation of church and state that is reflected in American law, U.S. Census Bureau survey forms do not ask recipients about their religion. Neither does the U.S. Immigration Service collect information on the religion of immigrants. Many mosques in the United States do not have formal membership policies, and they seldom keep accurate attendance figures. In the words of University of Chicago religion scholar Martin Marty, "Counting noses has come to depend on two sources. One source is poll-takers calling during the dinner hour to ask, `What is your religious preference?' The other source is religious leaders, on both the local and the national scene. People who respond to telephone interviewers may have all kinds of motives for declaring themselves as part of this or that group, or no group at all. And people who report on the size of their congregations, denominations, and cohorts also have a variety of motives." The end result is that there is no official count of Muslims in the United States nor is there a number that is commonly accepted by all who have studied the question.

http://usinfo.state.gov/products/pubs/muslimlife/immigrat.htm


56 posted on 01/05/2007 8:25:44 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf download. Link on my bio page.)
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To: Fred Nerks

I got my number from adherents.com - here is a bit more depth:

Islam. In recent years Muslim leaders in the United States have optimistically estimated that there were approximately 6.5 million Muslims in the country (Aly Abuzaakouk, American Muslim Council, 1999). In 1998 a Pakistani newspaper even reported that there were 12 million Muslims in the United States (4.2% of the total population)! After the events of September 11, 2001, many newspaper accounts included an estimate of 8 million American Muslims. This would equate to 3% of the U.S. population, or roughly 1 in every 33 people in the country. No comparable figure has ever been confirmed by independent research similar to the Kosmin or Glenmary studies, or the Gallup, Harris, Pew, Barna polls. Currently, surveys consistently report less than 1% of people surveyed identify themselves as Muslims. Muslim community leaders say that many American Muslims are relatively recent immigrants who either do not have telephone service, do not participate in surveys or are afraid to identify themselves as Muslims for fear of anti-Muslim discrimination. Researchers generally agree that the estimate of 300,000 Muslims in the Kosmin study (1990) and Kosmin's adjusted estimate (to 500,000) are too small to reflect current (year 2005) numbers of American Muslims. In 2004 the National Study of Youth and Religion conducted by the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill (sample size: 3,370 teens nationwide) found that less than one half of one percent (0.5%) of American teens were Muslim, a proportion right in line with the adult Muslim population, based on other studies. Tom W. Smith of the National Opinion Research Center (NORC) at the University of Chicago is a nationally recognized expert in survey research specializing in the study of social change and survey methodology. Smith published "Estimating the Muslim Population in the United States" in 2001. This is probably the most thorough academic study of this topic in recent years. This study concluded: "The best, adjusted, survey-based estimates put the adult Muslim population in 2000 at 0.67 percent or 1,401,000, and the total Muslim population at 1,886,000. Even if high-side estimates based on local surveys, figures from mosques, and ancestry and immigration statistics are given more weight than the survey-based numbers, it is hard to accept estimates that Muslims are greater than 1 percent of the population (2,090,000 adults or 2,814,000 total)."


57 posted on 01/05/2007 8:26:24 PM PST by RebelBanker (May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.)
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To: Fred Nerks

Original ostracism did not involver any humor and [strange to say] was not even considered particularly humiliating. It was simply 10 years long external exile of an undesirable [by majority vote, similar to 'survivor"] citizen. No accusation besides being "politically dangerous" was needed. For example, hillary would qualify.


58 posted on 01/05/2007 8:29:49 PM PST by GSlob
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To: Fred Nerks
"most of them hold dual citizenship..."
I was considering the succeeding generations as well, as well as our own domestic "anchor babies".
59 posted on 01/05/2007 8:31:18 PM PST by GSlob
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To: Fred Nerks

Tough anti cultural laws will send a lot of "extremists" scurrying back to the failed hellhole societies.


60 posted on 01/05/2007 8:34:17 PM PST by tkathy (Sectarian violence? Or genocidal racists? Which is a better description of islamists?)
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To: Fred Nerks
They are like foxes trying to eat sheep.

He's got it backwards, it's like sheep watching a wolf in their midst.

61 posted on 01/05/2007 8:35:52 PM PST by MediaMole (9/11 - We have already forgotten.)
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To: RebelBanker

Interesting discussion. Let's ask ourselves a few logical questions.

Australia has a population of 20 million. Our muslim population is around 350,000. We have a regular census, on which we are asked to ID our religion. (It's not compulsory to answer.)

Your population is around 300 hundred millions.

How would it be possible that you only have say, four times as many muslims in your country as we do?

It just doesn't make sense to me. It's not logical. Australia is only settled and fertile around the coastline. Its Centre is mostly desert. Your continent is filled with towns and cities! (In Australia, ostriches, wild camels, wild donkeys and kangaroos populate more territory than we do.)

I think, if you sat down with a sharp pencil, and started with your industrial cities, one at a time, beginning with Dearborn...you would get to 1.5 million in a few minutes!

I could be wrong...but hey, there are around four hundred of them in ICELAND!


62 posted on 01/05/2007 8:45:25 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf download. Link on my bio page.)
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To: Fred Nerks

IT'S A START . . .


63 posted on 01/05/2007 8:48:14 PM PST by chit*chat
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To: Fred Nerks
Reading the detailed citation from the folks at adherents.com, they are quite willing to accept a number twice as high as reported - just under 3 million or 1% of the population. Muzzies are highly concentrated in places like Dearborn, but all but nonexistent in the smaller cities and towns in much of the heartland. Just on an intuitive level, there are lots of small towns all over the country that have a couple of hundred people, almost all of whom will self-identify as Christians. That averages out the high muzzie concentrations in certain cities.
64 posted on 01/05/2007 8:56:09 PM PST by RebelBanker (May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.)
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To: GSlob
well, here's an example of one of our succeeding generations...

The enemy within - Muslim fanatics in Australia Martin Lehmann - 23 August 2005

A number of Muslims living in Australia openly flout our hospitality and tolerance while advocating the replacement of our democratic system with theocratic fascism.

Wassim Doureihi, the firebrand leader of the Australian branch of Hizb ut-Tahrir - the Party of Liberation- claims he is a Muslim first and an Australian second.

Doureihi has refused to condemn the September 11, Bali or London terror attacks. He asserts Muslims' rights to fight Western "oppressors". He claims suicide bombers were the reaction of Muslims to Western forces occupying their lands, including Iraq and Afghanistan, where Australian troops are stationed.

Australian-born of Lebanese parents, Doureihi said that just because Muslims were born in Australia "doesn't mean we have to accept these conditions".

It is possible that Doureihi's fanatical followers could be already fighting against Australian troops...

http://www.australian-news.com.au/enemy_within.htm

65 posted on 01/05/2007 9:04:04 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf download. Link on my bio page.)
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To: Fred Nerks

Sounds like treason to me!

Good night and God bless, my FRiend! It is after midnight here on the east coast of the US and I need to be off to bed. Great article and discussion, hope there are plenty more.


66 posted on 01/05/2007 9:15:41 PM PST by RebelBanker (May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.)
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To: RebelBanker

http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/1

looks to me as if nobody really knows.


67 posted on 01/05/2007 9:17:04 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf download. Link on my bio page.)
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To: RebelBanker

thanks, and goodnight.


68 posted on 01/05/2007 9:17:48 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf download. Link on my bio page.)
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To: All
" I am not saying Australia is negative or not good, I am saying it has changed."

Gee, I wonder why! Duh!

69 posted on 01/05/2007 9:27:40 PM PST by jackibutterfly
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To: jackibutterfly
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Lebanese Muslim thugs spark riots and the media blame “racist” Australians:

http://www.brookesnews.com/051912muslim_print.html

70 posted on 01/05/2007 9:42:54 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf download. Link on my bio page.)
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To: Fred Nerks; RebelBanker

I remember reading a Gallup Org poll which stated that at the time there were 2.8 million muzzies in the USA. I believe those were 2003 stats. I cant remember the criteria of what they called a muslim


71 posted on 01/05/2007 11:09:47 PM PST by Luigi Vasellini (What do you call 2 toddlers and some duct tape??........muslim body armor!!!!!!!)
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