Skip to comments.KOSOVO SOLUTION International Law, Not Independence
Posted on 01/06/2007 10:01:58 AM PST by kronos77
In March 2007 it will be eight years since the Kosovo war and the US-led NATO intervention in gross violation of a host of international laws including the UN Charter. The Western part of the international community was determined to resolve the Kosovo status issue by the end of 2006. However, the UN Kosovo mediator, former Finnish president Martti Ahtisaari, has delayed his proposal until after the Serbian parliamentary elections on January 21, 2007 in order to reinforce the democratic camp within Serbia.
The Serbian province of Kosovo and Metohija, Kosmet in Serbian but for brevity reduced to Kosovo in this essay, provides identity to the Serbian nation, a cradle of the Serbian civilization. The international media ignores the province of Metohija in order to negate 800 years old existence of the Serbian Orthodox Church. The term Metohija derives from the Greek word Metox, which refers to lands set aside for the use of the Church.
(Kosovo Albanian Islamic mujahedeen Aslan Klecka in support for Kosovo independence poses with a chopping knife used for Islamic ritual beheadings of Kosovo Serbs.)
To Albanian mafia it is a safe haven for their criminal operations. To Al Qaeda it is another Balkan terrorist hub. To the Islamists it is a part of recycled Balkan caliphate. To the U.S. and Germany it has provided an opportunity to exploit the Serb-Albanian conflict in order to strengthen their respective geostrategic positions in the Balkans. President Clinton often stated that he went to war to defend “poor Muslims.” Mike Jackson, NATO top commander in Kosovo who recently retired as Chief of the General Staff in the British Army, said: “Of course when we come to Kosovo in 1999, the West’s intervention was almost entirely predicated on the protection of a Muslim population.”
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There is no such thing as international law. There are treaties. The UN is an NGO.
"... intervention in gross violation of a host of international laws ..."
Wasn't the way Serbia used the Yugoslav air force to indiscriminately bomb Croatian cities (to cite just one example) in the early 1990's - merely because Crotia wanted to be independent - a "gross violation of international laws" too?
Yeah, Croatia asked to be independent, and Serbia responding with city bombing .... that's not civil war, that's a massacre.
And speaking of massacres, let's remember the reason NATO intervened - because the SERBS were massacring Albanains and Kosovars. Have you forgotten about all the mass graves that NATO troops found?
Do you know what is definition of mass grave? More than two bodies. Where are these hundreds of thousands that supposedly perished?
The cruel fact that the main and largest atrocity that took place in 1990s Yugoslavia was NATO led massacre of Krajina Serbs. EVERYBODY can see it for himself as the Krajina (pron. Kry-ee-nah) is the ONLY land EMPTIED of its inhabitants!
Federal Army fought a war. Serbia was just a member of federation.
The West should have been overjoyed to see the Serbs repelling the Albanian Muslims and driving many out of Kosovo. Instead we helped the Muslims (not that one damn Muslim on this planet is grateful for that)we bombed the Serbs. And a Kosovo that was once at least 50% Christian is 90% Muslim. Serbs are being forced out and terrorized. Lebanon is similar. It used to be a civilized Christian dominated country. Now it's merely one Muslim shithole among many
should read: including UN AND NATO chapters and Helsinki and Paris accords.
You mean the ones that contain a fraction of the numbers that NATO claimed, with some dating back to WW2?
At least we found those 100,000 mass graves that they told us about...but we found them in Iraq, of course.
"Wasn't the way Serbia used the Yugoslav air force to indiscriminately bomb Croatian cities (to cite just one example) in the early 1990's - merely because Crotia wanted to be independent - a "gross violation of international laws" too?"
What's the matter; afraid Alberta will highjack the Canadian airforce to carpet bomb Quebec City when the vote finally goes for independence and the FLQ takes over?
That shot was through long range photo picking up some tire burning near the shore.
No one has ever shown any damage or rebuilding to Dubrovnik's famous walls.
The city was lightly damaged - and only because Croat forces started shooting at the Yugoslav navy. The Navy was under control of an ethnic Slovene, Admiral Stane Brovet.
That smoke was from the fuel tanks of two pleasure boats burning in the Old Harbor -- outside, of course, the walls. Dubrovnik's Old City never burned. Bullet holes along Stradun were from gunfire inside the walls, at ground level at close range in a fight on the street between rival Croatian factions. Scaffolding was set up in front of facades in anticipation of the shooting to come. Video tapes of gunfire along the ancient walls, run backward, show clearly that the puffs of gun smoke are from outgoing, not incoming fire. "Western" reporters in Dubrovnik since they cannot read Serbo-Croatian, do not mention the graffiti calling for the lynching of Serbs: Srbe na vrbe (literally "[hang] the Serbs on the willow trees"). My videotapes of Dubrovnik from March 25, 1992, have been aired on Chicago Cable Access TV, Channel 19. Want to see them?
Youy are right about this. The propaganda campaign to smear Serbs was successful. "Bombardment" of Dubrovnik was an elaborate hoax and key building block of that propaganda campaign. The fact that there was no damage to the Old city besides shrapnel damage to the tiles is a proof of this. One of the very few buildings destroyed within the Old city was Serbian Orthodox Church.
Speaking of your pic, it is evident that it is truck tires that are burning. Artillery shelling leaves white smoke.
This article is about Kosovo, and you have nothing to contribure to discussion except your demonstrated bigotry.
However, you have demonstrated how the scumbags operated: the series of orchestrated lies during Balkan civil wars was used to justify illegal aggression on Serbia in 1999 and occcupation of Kosovo. Once Kosovo was occupied, series of orchestrated lies from 1991-95 was used to allow unprecedented crimes to happen under NATO approval: mass expulsion of Serbs, Roma, Jews, Croats, Goranis (as substitute for fictitious "ethnic cleansing" Serbs allegedly commited), mass murder of Serbs and Albanians who were tossed in mass graves(as substitute for Serbian "mass graves"), burning of the tens of thousand of Serb and Roma houses (as a substitute for alleged Serbian crimes against civil population) and last but not least destruction of 150 of Serbian Christian shrines (90% of the entire number).
The media lies were the pretext to commit the crimes of Serb and Roma population of Kosovo.
Your attempt to recycle Dubrovnik lie in this context makes you complicit in this crime.
Fine Canuck conservative, indeed. /sarcasm off
You really are gormless , you goon . Now , off to bed and read before posting next time .
"the SERBS were massacring Albanains and Kosovars. Have you forgotten about all the mass graves that NATO troops found?
Now , back to bed , or Mumsie will hear and ground you for a whole week .
"Albanains and Kosovars" So , what were Albanians doing in another country , bonehead ?
OK, Kosovars then - you guys still haven't explained why the Serbs did those massacres.
The point is, SERBIA WAS THE BULLY against innocent peoples whose only "crime" was to refuse to be a part of Greater Serbia. For having the nerve to want to be independent, they were bombed, shelled, invaded, and massacred.
Enough with the Baghdad Bob act, already.
Simple question Which massacres ?
CC: "The point is, SERBIA WAS THE BULLY against innocent peoples whose only "crime" was to refuse to be a part of Greater Serbia. For having the nerve to want to be independent, they were bombed, shelled, invaded, and massacred."
Invaded? Serbia invaded Kosovo ? So Serbia invaded their own country ?
That's hilarious .
Innocent ? The KLA were innocent ?
That's even funnier , you're claiming that people with links to Al Qaeda are innocent . Are you sure you're a Conservative ?
"CC: Enough with the Baghdad Bob act, already."
So you started by saying that Albania was in Kosovo and now you're saying Baghdad is in Kosovo ?
You should have asked Santa for a big globe . Bedtime .
a little history...for you.
So by your "logic"...
Had my peeps in Greece done the same as the Serbs did, they too would've been guilty of bullying poor, innocent Turks (boo-hoo) whose only crime was their refusal to give us Constantinople - back!, and be a part of "Greater Greece"?
Well I don't believe that someone can (or should) claim that what never has been "theirs", suddenly is theirs.
But maybe that's just me...
they were actually Massacring Serbs; a Jihad under the name of Operation Storm, sponsored by the CIA and Jihaders from Afghanistan. I am an American, and lived there from 1999 to 2004. They weren't massacring K-Albanians. The lie you and I were told at first by Cohen was 100,000, missing believed Massacred. Then they changed the official number to 10,000. Then, they found only 2,108 +/- bodies, of which 22 was a Serbian Mass grave. Of the 2,108 bodies, it has never really been defined whether the bodies came from being murdered by KLA for being collaborators, NATO indiscriminate bombing or combatants that were killed by Serbian paramilitaries.....many of whom, [the live ones] were part of the so-called 8,000 muslims to have allegedly been murdered in Srebrenica.....I don't blame you, as we were lied to and deceived. I know this for a fact.
uhhhh, this is what you do when you are in a war, and you are being attacked, your fellow soldiers heads were cut off by Islamic Fundies, that were trained in Afghanistan under our government to fight the Soviets.....and you bring them to Bosnia, Croatia et al, to stir up a jihad because we want to break up Yugoslavia on our way to the separate Russian states. Reference the current gas oil issue with Russian and Belarus.....this is only touching the surface. We don't believe it, we KNOW it. The actual "facts" are outright lies and half truths, just the ICTY scam trials. The effort is massive and the agenda to deceive is deep rooted and well orchestrated.
Granted, least we not forget who captured Milosevic in the first place and rightly so. Secondly, the Serbian paramilitaries did commit crimes and have been arrested in some cases, yes, and others have been covered, true.....however, there were NO rape camps, mass graves that would indicated a genocide....this is rubbish. They were demonized to justify our bombing.....plain and simple. Once again, they did make it easy to demonized because crimes were committed, yes. I was even sitting on a panel at the SUC in Nov. 2005, when Randa apologized to the audience of Serbs for the actions of her people during these years..however, the actions have been massively exaggerated and we are helping Muslims MURDER and cleanse Orthodox Christians, plain and simple. Independent Kosovo is a NO GO. They WILL target Macedonia, as it is now in the same division as North and South Mitrovica, Southern Presevo, North Mitrovica to further reduce Serbia.....to bring Serbia into the EU and KOSOVO in the EU for another grand agenda. It's BS............
"However, you have demonstrated how the scumbags operated: the series of orchestrated lies during Balkan civil wars was used to justify illegal aggression on Serbia in 1999 and occcupation of Kosovo. Once Kosovo was occupied, series of orchestrated lies from 1991-95 was used to allow unprecedented crimes to happen under NATO approval: mass expulsion of Serbs, Roma, Jews, Croats, Goranis (as substitute for fictitious "ethnic cleansing" Serbs allegedly commited), mass murder of Serbs and Albanians who were tossed in mass graves(as substitute for Serbian "mass graves"), burning of the tens of thousand of Serb and Roma houses (as a substitute for alleged Serbian crimes against civil population) and last but not least destruction of 150 of Serbian Christian shrines (90% of the entire number). "
I couldn't have said it any better and you are exactly right......thank you.
We were the Bully, since Bosnia and Croatia as we stirred up the independence issue planned to be violent to provoke the Serb paramilitaries, which they did....as I said before.
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"Not having learnt any lessons from the sequel to its policy of encouraging fanaticism and pan-Islamism in Afghanistan and despite the humiliation inflicted on the US troops in Somalia by the HUM in 1993, the CIA asked the ISI to divert part of the dregs of the HUM and the HUJI to Bosnia to assist the Muslims there in their fight against the Serbs. The transfer to Bosnia was funded by the Saudi Intelligence, the arms and ammunition were given by the Iranian Intelligence and the leadership and motivation were provided by serving and retired officers of the ISI and the Turkish intelligence. Omar Sheikh, who masterminded the kidnapping of Daniel Pearl of the "Wall Street Journal", had his jihadi inoculation in Bosnia just as bin Laden had his in Afghanistan.From Bosnia, they were diverted to Kosovo by the CIA and thereafter again left in the lurch after they had done the USA's hatchet job in the Balkans."
KLA innocent...????????????? they threatened to assassinate and did assassinate members of their own military specialist belonging to the AFRK (FARC). Tahir Zemaj, Commander Drini, et al. The members of the FARC (Albanian members of the JNA that left to join the fight on the side of the KLA)....and hated by the KLA leadership. The FARC (mostly LDK members), fled to Europe for the duration of the battle. The KLA started losing, in much the same way Saddam started losing to the Iranians..we came to their aid to pull them out of their bad spot because it served our purpose to help. Amazing how the truth is convoluted and lost in the "translation".....
That's true, Serbs were massacring Bosnians. Muslims were massacring Serbs too, but NATO wouldn't intervene over something linke that. It's what they do after all.
Similar in the sense that Christians killed a civilian or two in Lebanon as well, but when we forced a solution, only the Christians were held to their word, they disarmed as agreed, and have likely lost their place in Lebanon.
""Not having learnt any lessons from the sequel to its policy of encouraging fanaticism and pan-Islamism in Afghanistan and despite the humiliation inflicted on the US troops in Somalia by the HUM in 1993, the CIA asked the ISI to divert part of the dregs of the HUM and the HUJI to Bosnia to assist the Muslims there in their fight against the Serbs. The transfer to Bosnia was funded by the Saudi Intelligence, the arms and ammunition were given by the Iranian Intelligence and the leadership and motivation were provided by serving and retired officers of the ISI and the Turkish intelligence."
That's right , we teamed up with those bastions of free speech , Pakistan ISI , the Saudi Intel and Iranian VEVAK so that some infidels could be tortured to death .
Later on , in Kosovo , we recruited 100s of Mujahideen to help murder in Kosovo . Two years later on 911 and the Mujahideen carried out "the mother of all blowbacks"
About a year before NATO went into the "infidel murdering" business , way over half of all KLA victims were ethnic Albanians .
387 citizens were murdered , horrifically it might be said , 75 were ethnic Serbs and 196 were ethnic Albanians
Funnily enough , all those posters who pretend to give a crap about Albania remain ever so silent about this . These loyalist ethnic Albanians , mostly Catholic , and their families , were slaughtered simply because they worked for Belgrade : postman , forest ranger , etc .
Under Serb rule , The Albanian language stood side by side with the Serbian language. It was the official language of the province. Documents were published in two languages, both in Albanian and in Serbian. For all Albanian children who attended state schools, tuition was in the Albanian language. All the road signs and signs on public buildings and facilities were bilingual. They were in Serbian and Albanian. Where in areas inhabited by Turks, they were written up in Turkish and so on and so forth.
About NATO's prowess : they only succeeded in destroying seven tanks, but on the other hand, they did succeed in destroying many more hospitals. They hit many more hospitals than they did tanks. They hit many more schools than they did tanks. They hit many more health centres and nurseries and kindergartens than they did tanks.
"Good ole' NATO" : so keen to win a few brownie points on Arab Street , they didn't care where their bombs fell : only so long as some infidel Serb got it .
Sweet young Milica Rakic for instance .
30% of all vicims of the bombing were children . "Bravo NATO" , you've gone into the child killing business . Big time , too .
But to CC , heroic pilots who fly at 20,000 feet and kill little angels are heroes but because the Serbs treated all nationalities of Kosovo with respect , they're "bullies" .
Welcome to the world of the selfhating westerner .
To you and those like you who continue to perpetuate lies we say:
"The gigantic campaign to brainwash America by our media against the Serbian people is just incredible, with its daily dose of one-sided information and outright lies." -- John Ranz, chairperson of Survivors of Buchenwald Concentration Camp, USA.
"This organized anti-Serb and pro-Muslim propaganda should cause anyone believing in democracy and free speech serious concerns. It recalls Hitler's propaganda against the Allies in World War II. Facts are twisted and, when convenient, disregarded." -- Yohanan Ramati, director of the Jerusalem Institute for Western Defense.
5 years on and many are still none the wiser .
It's going to get a lot worse before it gets any better .
I'm afraid you're correct in stating that it will get worse before it gets any better.
Didn't some people say the same thing about the Nazis in the 1930's?
Hey look, if Serbia wants to behave like Nazi Germany - attacking neighbouring states, paramilitary executions, and all - it shouldn't be surprised if it gets compared to Nazi Germany.
It was a CIVIL war. Serbia did not "attack neighboring states" and the only Nazis in the Balkans were the Croats, Bosnian muslims and the Albanians....you poor misguided propagandist.
It was a CIVIL war. Serbia did not "attack neighboring states" and the only Nazis in the Balkans were the Croats, Bosnian muslims and the Albanians....you poor misguided propagandist.
See what I mean about posters ( CC in this case ) who pretend to give a shit about the plight of Kosovo Albanians , yet stay remarkably quiet when stories of what the KLA did to any "loyalist" Kosovo Albanian ?
Up to 1999 , the vast majority of victims of the KLA were Kosovo Albanians
You'd have thought they'd be up in arms over what the KLA did to their own people . They butchered them , and their entire families , for the beastily crime of having a job with the Gov't . Teacher , local gov't official , that kind of thing .
But no , not a peep . Nothing but silence .
It's almost as if they don't give a shit when their precious Kosovo Albanians are targeted by the Marxist Leninist KLA ( with local branches with the NAZIs and MB ) .
Typical for self hating Westerners : their beloved Stalinists , NAZIs , MB are above reproach .
Silly me . The above message was for you . You've got to get up early to fool me .