Re: your Post #11 ....
You really believe that? Okaaayyyyy .... you guys really need to get out of your paranoid fantasyworld more often, and acquaint yourselves with the actual facts.
And tell us again why this was necessary:
"The International War Crimes Tribunal in The Hague has issued indictments against Serb and Montenegrin soldiers over the attacks on the beautiful Croatian port city of Dubrovnik.
Those indicted face 16 different kinds of war crimes in connection with the artillery attacks on the ancient city and its surroundings.
Their identities have not been revealed by the tribunal, but they were members of the then Yugoslav Federal Army and Navy, the Bosnian Serb Army and Montenegrin paramilitary units.
The punishing three-month bombardment of Dubrovnik in 1991 was one of the events which turned international opinion against the Serbs."
You see tire smoke there. Dubrovnik is a stone city. I don't spot any crumbling masonry. Where is damage to the walls or building.
That shot was through long range photo picking up some tire burning near the shore.
No one has ever shown any damage or rebuilding to Dubrovnik's famous walls.
The city was lightly damaged - and only because Croat forces started shooting at the Yugoslav navy. The Navy was under control of an ethnic Slovene, Admiral Stane Brovet.
posted on 01/06/2007 3:01:29 PM PST
That smoke was from the fuel tanks of two pleasure boats burning in the Old Harbor -- outside, of course, the walls. Dubrovnik's Old City never burned. Bullet holes along Stradun were from gunfire inside the walls, at ground level at close range in a fight on the street between rival Croatian factions. Scaffolding was set up in front of facades in anticipation of the shooting to come. Video tapes of gunfire along the ancient walls, run backward, show clearly that the puffs of gun smoke are from outgoing, not incoming fire. "Western" reporters in Dubrovnik since they cannot read Serbo-Croatian, do not mention the graffiti calling for the lynching of Serbs: Srbe na vrbe (literally "[hang] the Serbs on the willow trees"). My videotapes of Dubrovnik from March 25, 1992, have been aired on Chicago Cable Access TV, Channel 19. Want to see them?
posted on 01/06/2007 3:08:36 PM PST
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To: canuck_conservative; A. Pole
>>>>>The punishing three-month bombardment of Dubrovnik in 1991 was one of the events which turned international opinion against the Serbs."<<<<<
Youy are right about this. The propaganda campaign to smear Serbs was successful. "Bombardment" of Dubrovnik was an elaborate hoax and key building block of that propaganda campaign. The fact that there was no damage to the Old city besides shrapnel damage to the tiles is a proof of this. One of the very few buildings destroyed within the Old city was Serbian Orthodox Church.
Speaking of your pic, it is evident that it is truck tires that are burning. Artillery shelling leaves white smoke.
This article is about Kosovo, and you have nothing to contribure to discussion except your demonstrated bigotry.
However, you have demonstrated how the scumbags operated: the series of orchestrated lies during Balkan civil wars was used to justify illegal aggression on Serbia in 1999 and occcupation of Kosovo. Once Kosovo was occupied, series of orchestrated lies from 1991-95 was used to allow unprecedented crimes to happen under NATO approval: mass expulsion of Serbs, Roma, Jews, Croats, Goranis (as substitute for fictitious "ethnic cleansing" Serbs allegedly commited), mass murder of Serbs and Albanians who were tossed in mass graves(as substitute for Serbian "mass graves"), burning of the tens of thousand of Serb and Roma houses (as a substitute for alleged Serbian crimes against civil population) and last but not least destruction of 150 of Serbian Christian shrines (90% of the entire number).
The media lies were the pretext to commit the crimes of Serb and Roma population of Kosovo.
Your attempt to recycle Dubrovnik lie in this context makes you complicit in this crime.
Fine Canuck conservative, indeed. /sarcasm off
posted on 01/06/2007 3:15:37 PM PST
(Mr. President., Condy is asleep at the wheel !)
http://www.antic.org/Weblog/2006_08_30_archive.html COMMENTS: Regarding falsely orchestrating events and doctoring photos. Remember Dubrovnik where a media fraud reported that the Serbs destroyed the Pearl of the Adriatic, the city of Dubrovnik? Read below the similarity between the alleged burning of Dubrovnik and the cover of U.S. News and World Report which shows a Hezbollah fighter overlooking a fire in Beirut. The caption reads, "Wreckage of an Israeli jet billowing smoke in Beirut." Upon closer look, it is not a war scene. No, those are automobile tires burning in a garbage dump. Peter Maher, Professor Emeritus of Linguistics, visited Dubrovnik, Croatia, to see for himself the truth about the war in the Balkans. It should be noted that Dr. Maher, a Roman Catholic, not a Serbian Orthodox source, video taped the entire city, building by building and his footage was shown on Access TV Channel 19 in Chicago. Dr. Maher wrote, "A few months earlier, the press was filled with stories that the Pearl of the Adriatic had been reduced to rubble. The stories were fakes." Professor Maher goes on to explain just how it happened: "The dramatic 'Dubrovnik burning' pictures were shot with long lenses. . . .But the smoke was from the fuel tanks of two pleasure boats burning in the Old Harbor ... Dubrovnik's Old City never burned and was never even targeted by the federal forces. It was not navy guns that did the damage, but plastic and incendiary devices planted on the spot by Croatian forces.....I then asked the cameraman to take us to the building that was reportedly gutted by fire. Reports erroneously identified the destroyed building as the Serbian Orthodox church and library, but the fact is that, facing the Serbian Orthodox church, a burned out hulk of a building stood, burnt out and roofless, a four-level building. It was the house belonging to Ivo Grbić an artist. Adjacent structures were unscathed. No naval guns could have done that. Grbić was summoned in 2003 to testify in the Hague trial against Slobodan Milosevic, but the official story was that he could not come on account of poor health. His paints, brushes, easels etc. were reported on a Croatian website to be housed in the Franciscan and Dominican monasteries. It is unknown to me if these were newly acquired or if the artist's materials were removed before the fire. On a wall facing the Grbić house we filmed a sign, ICONS in English, and in Serbian Cyrillic letters HKOHE. "Dubrovnik - "the Pearl of the Adriatic" -was not destroyed, but barely scratched. We hope you will comply all the corroborating evidence of your findings from other honest witnesses. The PR orchestration has sqamped the facts until now." And of course, let us not forget the image of the wailing woman in this video - how many did we see, month after month, of Bosnian or Kosovo women and children wailing on the front pages of all our newspapers? I do not denigrate their suffering because many of them did suffer needlessly, but intentionally by the Bosnian Muslim government of Alija Izetbegovic. But U.S. newspapers never showed photos of Serbian women and children suffering from NATO bombs, or their slaughtering at the hands of Agim Ceku, the Muslim war lord who today is walking a free man. If only we had had this kind of email/bloging during the war against the Serbian people, the lies would have been exposed immediately and perhaps, just perhaps, things might have been different - one would hope. 'Nuf said. Stella
posted on 01/06/2007 3:19:04 PM PST
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You really are gormless , you goon . Now , off to bed and read before posting next time .
uhhhh, this is what you do when you are in a war, and you are being attacked, your fellow soldiers heads were cut off by Islamic Fundies, that were trained in Afghanistan under our government to fight the Soviets.....and you bring them to Bosnia, Croatia et al, to stir up a jihad because we want to break up Yugoslavia on our way to the separate Russian states. Reference the current gas oil issue with Russian and Belarus.....this is only touching the surface. We don't believe it, we KNOW it. The actual "facts" are outright lies and half truths, just the ICTY scam trials. The effort is massive and the agenda to deceive is deep rooted and well orchestrated.
Granted, least we not forget who captured Milosevic in the first place and rightly so. Secondly, the Serbian paramilitaries did commit crimes and have been arrested in some cases, yes, and others have been covered, true.....however, there were NO rape camps, mass graves that would indicated a genocide....this is rubbish. They were demonized to justify our bombing.....plain and simple. Once again, they did make it easy to demonized because crimes were committed, yes. I was even sitting on a panel at the SUC in Nov. 2005, when Randa apologized to the audience of Serbs for the actions of her people during these years..however, the actions have been massively exaggerated and we are helping Muslims MURDER and cleanse Orthodox Christians, plain and simple. Independent Kosovo is a NO GO. They WILL target Macedonia, as it is now in the same division as North and South Mitrovica, Southern Presevo, North Mitrovica to further reduce Serbia.....to bring Serbia into the EU and KOSOVO in the EU for another grand agenda. It's BS............
posted on 01/07/2007 3:46:25 AM PST
(I would like to comment.....)
Far more Serbians have been ethnically cleansed and massacred by your beloved Croats, Bosnians, and Albanians than the other way around. And citing The International War Crimes Tribunal in The Hague as an independent and unbiased source is a bit like asking CAIR's opinion about the war on terror. BTW, showing phony propaganda photos do nothing for your credibility.
You wouldn't happen to be that lick-spittle pro-KLA known as Hoppy posting under another moniker would you?
posted on 01/08/2007 3:45:23 PM PST
(Islam is a despotism so vile that it would warm the heart of Orwell's Big Brother)
To you and those like you who continue to perpetuate lies we say:
"The gigantic campaign to brainwash America by our media against the Serbian people is just incredible, with its daily dose of one-sided information and outright lies." -- John Ranz, chairperson of Survivors of Buchenwald Concentration Camp, USA.
"This organized anti-Serb and pro-Muslim propaganda should cause anyone believing in democracy and free speech serious concerns. It recalls Hitler's propaganda against the Allies in World War II. Facts are twisted and, when convenient, disregarded." -- Yohanan Ramati, director of the Jerusalem Institute for Western Defense.
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