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Knox on list of potential homes for Stryker Brigade
The News Enterprise ^ | Jan 6, 07 | Erica Walsh

Posted on 01/07/2007 7:00:20 AM PST by SLB

FORT KNOX — Fort Knox is on a short list of Army posts being considered as the permanent station for a new Stryker brigade combat team.

“We probably could accommodate this, but we haven’t done an analysis and we haven’t been asked to at this point,” said Connie Shaffery, Fort Knox spokeswoman.

The unit is being transformed in Hawaii, but opposition from environmental and cultural groups has caused the Army to reconsider.

An environmental impact statement completed in 2004 determined Hawaii was a suitable location for the 5th Stryker Brigade Combat Team. The unit was scheduled to transform from the 2nd Brigade, 25th Infantry Division (Light).

After a legal challenge from environmental and cultural groups, the U.S. Court of Appeals ruled in October that the Army did not consider alternative locations as required under the National Environmental Policy Act.

“We had to go back and do it right,” said Robert DiMichele, spokesman for the U.S. Army Environmental Command.

The Army announced Thursday it was preparing a supplement to the 2004 final environmental impact statement concerning the 5th SBCT.

In addition to Fort Knox, alternative locations include the current site in Hawaii, Fort Richardson and Donnelly Training Area in Alaska, Fort Lewis and Yakima Training Center in Washington, and Fort Carson and Piñon Canyon Maneuver Site in Colorado.

The alternative locations were selected based on criteria including the availability of ranges and maneuver training facilities, maintenance facilities and facilities that bolster quality of life for soldiers and their families.

“We brought it down to a number of sites that could legitimately support a Stryker brigade,” DiMichele said.

The 5th SBCT includes 3,900 to 4,100 soldiers, and 950 to 1,050 vehicles. Of those vehicles, between 310 and 330 are Strykers.

Strykers are armored, wheeled combat vehicles. They were designed as a bridge between the Army’s current armor force and the quicker, lighter future force. The vehicles were tested at Fort Knox in 2003.

Preparing the supplemental environmental impact statement will not affect the training of the future 5th SBCT, which is about 60 percent transformed, DiMichele said. As part of current troop rotations, the brigade must be available to deploy by November.

A notice of intent has been filed in the Federal Register, opening a 45-day public comment period. During that time, officials will collect comments from communities that could be affected, including Fort Knox. Open meetings will be held at all of the alternative sites, DiMichele said.

Later, Environmental Command will draft a statement to be released in late spring or early summer, DiMichele said. The public will be allowed to comment on the draft.

The final environmental impact statement and the decision about the 5th SBCT’s permanent home could be completed in the fall, DiMichele said


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Kentucky
KEYWORDS: army; knox; stryker
Interesting. Knox is also getting an IBCT (Infantry Brigade Combat Team) as a result of BRAC.
1 posted on 01/07/2007 7:00:22 AM PST by SLB
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To: Stonewall Jackson; ALOHA RONNIE; archy; Cannoneer No. 4; colorado tanker; FreedomPoster; ...

FYI. If Cannoneer No. 4 still has the Stryker ping list please bump with it.


2 posted on 01/07/2007 7:06:12 AM PST by SLB (Wyoming's Alan Simpson on the Washington press - "all you get is controversy, crap and confusion")
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To: SLB

My guess would be the Knox option would entail a swap - Stryker Bde for Knox, light bde in Hawaii. Of course also looming is the proposal to increase the size of the Army and add four brigade combat teams - they will have to go somewhere.


3 posted on 01/07/2007 7:06:46 AM PST by centurion316 (Democrats - Supporting Al Qaida Worldwide)
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To: SLB

Is Knox still full of those "temporary" barracks built in the early 40's?


4 posted on 01/07/2007 7:08:07 AM PST by chartnah ("We all do no end of feeling and mistake it for thinking." - Mark Twain)
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To: SLB
US Army's Stryker Page
5 posted on 01/07/2007 7:08:57 AM PST by Beckwith (The dhimmicrats and liberal media have chosen sides and they've sided with the Jihadists.)
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To: centurion316

The IBCT facilities (barracks) will not be completed in time for the proposed move so the IBCT is heading to Ft Hood for a year. It would make sense for them to go to Hawaii and send the SBCT here to Knox as a trade. But when did the Army do anything that made sense? :-)


6 posted on 01/07/2007 7:10:59 AM PST by SLB (Wyoming's Alan Simpson on the Washington press - "all you get is controversy, crap and confusion")
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To: chartnah
Is Knox still full of those "temporary" barracks built in the early 40's?

Nope, about 95% are gone.

7 posted on 01/07/2007 7:11:49 AM PST by SLB (Wyoming's Alan Simpson on the Washington press - "all you get is controversy, crap and confusion")
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To: SLB; All

The SBCTTSG (ChABN) ping list is on my About page. Cut & paste it anytime.


8 posted on 01/07/2007 7:12:15 AM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Either we bring them freedom, or they destroy us.)
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To: SLB
:) Thanks for the update, LOL. We got our money's worth, heh.

The Strykers rock.
9 posted on 01/07/2007 7:18:58 AM PST by chartnah ("We all do no end of feeling and mistake it for thinking." - Mark Twain)
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To: SLB

The decision to put a Stryker Bde in Hawaii never made sense to me in the first place. Even with the proposed increases in training areas, there will never be enough to support the brigade. Plus, you have very high shipping costs every time the brigade needs to deploy or go to the Mainland. But, it was a political decision, IMO.

Perhaps the Envirowackos are doing the Army a favor, providing an excuse to fix a mistake.


10 posted on 01/07/2007 7:19:15 AM PST by centurion316 (Democrats - Supporting Al Qaida Worldwide)
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To: SLB

The unit is being transformed in Hawaii, but opposition from environmental and cultural groups has caused the Army to reconsider.

An environmental impact statement completed in 2004 determined Hawaii was a suitable location for the 5th Stryker Brigade Combat Team. The unit was scheduled to transform from the 2nd Brigade, 25th Infantry Division (Light).



Environmental impact statement! Excuse me?
I think I'm getting a headache now.


11 posted on 01/07/2007 7:58:18 AM PST by Valin (History takes time. It is not an instant thing.)
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To: SLB; Vetvoice; af_vet_rr; ALOHA RONNIE; American in Israel; American Soldier; archy; ...
>>If Cannoneer No. 4 still has the Stryker ping list please bump with it.

I've got it covered for Cannoneer. Pinging:

Stryker Brigade Combat Team Tactical Studies Group (Chairborne)


12 posted on 01/07/2007 9:06:10 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: Beckwith

interesting. but not mentioned: were the two stryker soldiers related?


13 posted on 01/07/2007 9:09:09 AM PST by thefactor
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14 posted on 01/07/2007 9:42:02 AM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: FreedomPoster

Bump


15 posted on 01/07/2007 11:03:33 AM PST by Valin (History takes time. It is not an instant thing.)
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To: SLB

Just speaking for myself, I would welcome the move to Alaska - Ft Richardson. We could use the extra folks.

And we have a LOT of room.

Oh, and a lot of cold weather.


16 posted on 01/07/2007 11:15:11 AM PST by ASOC (The phrase "What if" or "If only" are for children.)
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To: centurion316

Well, room to train is one thing, and maybe they can only train a BN at a time, but the shipping thing makes perfect sense to me. I'm sure it cost plenty to ship my Stryker from Lewis to Kuwait. It also took a long time. Shipping from Hawaii would be that much faster/cheaper, I would imagine.

The other part that caught my eye here was the "must be deployable by November" line. That's only about 10 months from now. If these enviro-whackjobs and bureaucrats actually move them to Knox, you're talking probably about 3 or so of those 10 months gone, solely devoted to packing, moving, and resettling into a new permanent home station. So that leaves about 7 or so months to go from 60% transformed to fully deployable in-theater. Not a chance. CAN it be done? Sure. The Cav BDE that replaced my Stryker BDE in Mosul had only been stood up about 9 months prior. Were they nearly as good as my BDE who had combat vet NCOs and well-trained Soldiers (we had about an 18 month train-up)? Not even in the same league as us. So while it can be done, it is a really bad idea to try to rush that sort of thing. But what do I know? According to a lot of decision makers, rank and wisdom are directly proportional, which makes me very unwise...


17 posted on 01/07/2007 12:33:48 PM PST by Future Snake Eater (I'm FSE. You stay crappy, Mosul.)
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To: SLB
Nope, about 95% are gone.

Came back to FKKY from RVN in Oct 66 in the middle of a huge blizzard that shut down the place for a week. All the barracks burned high-sulfur coal, the stink of which hung in your nostrils until April.

If I want to get nostalgic about the good old USAARMC&S -- and I don't -- I need simply chug-a-lug a 40oz Ballantine Ale, wolf down a half-dozen hard-boiled eggs and wait for a giant fart. Oh, the memories that rush back! And that ain't all....

18 posted on 01/07/2007 12:59:10 PM PST by Snickersnee (Where are we going? And what's with this handbasket?)
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To: Snickersnee
Mrs SLB moved here from Tampa the fall of 1966. Needless to say, the blizzard was a huge surprise for them.

Strangely, the smell of the coal burners in all the buildings is something I miss. I was at Knox for AIT in 1970 and then came back from RVN in 1971. You would not know the place now. There are probably not more than a very small handful of the old WWII buildings left.
19 posted on 01/07/2007 1:07:50 PM PST by SLB (Wyoming's Alan Simpson on the Washington press - "all you get is controversy, crap and confusion")
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To: SLB
the National Environmental Policy Act

This is the part I don't get. Do the Strykers leak that much oil that they would contaminate the environment? They have been operating in Alaska, Fairbanks, without any noticeable environmental problem, and 60 below ought to bring any such problems to light if anything will.

20 posted on 01/07/2007 1:11:26 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: RightWhale

The NEPA requires the military to examine all aspects of how a change to the way we currently do business will impact the local area. One of the deciding factors in the 2005 BRAC decision is NEPA. Ft Knox stands to gain around 3500 personnel. The post has to file an impact statement as to how this influx of personnel will impact the local environment, schools, businesses, housing, etc. The impact statement for Hawaii will take all of that plus direct impacts of increased use of training areas into consideration.

I don't mean to sound like a tree hugger, but the law is the law and must be followed.


21 posted on 01/07/2007 1:33:19 PM PST by SLB (Wyoming's Alan Simpson on the Washington press - "all you get is controversy, crap and confusion")
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To: RightWhale
Let me add a little more. When the Army chose Ft Knox as the location for the Stryker operational test which was completed in 2003, we had to complete a full environmental impact statement and have it available for review by the local public for a period of time prior to the test starting. The reason was the test brought in about 80 Strykers and an additional 450 other vehicles and crews, plus over 1,000 personnel involved in conducting the test.

There were also some of the "normal" environmental aspects that had to be taken into consideration. Ft Knox is a prime nesting area for an endangered species of bat. There was a certain time of the year when testing could not take place in parts of the training areas due to the bats. There was also a requirement to work around civilian usage at Knob Creek Machine Gun range as they had their fall machine gun shoot during the test and Ft Knox range control restricts access to parts of the post at time in case someone shoots out of their impact area.

The above are just two of the many situations we had to work around in scheduling all the test events.

22 posted on 01/07/2007 1:44:46 PM PST by SLB (Wyoming's Alan Simpson on the Washington press - "all you get is controversy, crap and confusion")
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To: SLB

Fort Ricardson AK, the Old FT Greely AK, and FT Lewis are all in consideration. Being an Alaskan and with the 172D SBCT (oh that is right, we are now 1-25 SBCT), my money is on Uncle Ted and Co getting it moved to the Old Fort Greely


23 posted on 01/07/2007 2:18:13 PM PST by RedlegCPT (One year equals 16 months if you are an "Arctic Wolf")
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My money would say Knox. With Mitch now the minority leader the dems will want a favor sometime down the road. He will cash this chip in right away to help keep his support base here in the bluegrass. Send the IBCT to Hawaii and all will be fine.

I do have a rough time imagining the old Tropic Lightning of my Vietnam days now having a toe hold in the frigid north lands.
24 posted on 01/07/2007 2:24:48 PM PST by SLB (Wyoming's Alan Simpson on the Washington press - "all you get is controversy, crap and confusion")
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To: SLB
Two BDES worth, One ABN and the SBCT. Actually Ft Lewis and AK make the most sense as the knowledge base for all things SBCT are at Lewis and the basic infrastructure is in place at both Lewis and AK. All it would take is to move the ABN (4-25) Bde to HI and bom you are there. It also has to do with ability to deploy, I am quite sure there are no close Ports or are C-17 capable Airfields at FT Knox.

The initial concept with the SBCT was wheels down via C-130 within 96 hours of recieving the word. While for the most part that has gone away, there is a huge diffrence between having to move to the Port of Anchorage or Port Of Olymia vs Beumount TX, which is the port that both Carson and Knox use if I remember correctly. I think the decision really is between Ft Rich and Ft Lewis, and the other two posts were named just to appease people.

The biggest thing about this, is who is going to replace 2-25 on the patch chart. They were supposed to deploy to Iraq (if I remember correctly) this Dec (07), right now that leaves 2 potential SBCTs 2CR and 1-25. So one again Greenies and the great and wonderful 9th Circuit Court have screwed with national security.

25 posted on 01/07/2007 2:41:46 PM PST by RedlegCPT (One year in Iraq equals 16 months if you are an "Arctic Wolf")
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To: RedlegCPT
Knox has a C-5 capable airfield, Godman Field. Rail load would go to Charleston, SC. In addition, Louisville International Airport is the main UPS hub, so has the capability to handle as many large aircraft as any other airport. Godman Field at Knox is getting an upgrade in cargo and passenger handling as a part of the BRAC stationing of the IBCT.
26 posted on 01/07/2007 3:17:33 PM PST by SLB (Wyoming's Alan Simpson on the Washington press - "all you get is controversy, crap and confusion")
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To: Snickersnee
Came back to FKKY from RVN in Oct 66 in the middle of a huge blizzard that shut down the place for a week. All the barracks burned high-sulfur coal, the stink of which hung in your nostrils until April. If I want to get nostalgic about the good old USAARMC&S -- and I don't -- I need simply chug-a-lug a 40oz Ballantine Ale, wolf down a half-dozen hard-boiled eggs and wait for a giant fart. Oh, the memories that rush back! And that ain't all....


I did OSUT training at FT Knox in Jan83 and came back to Knox in 85 for BNCOC.... good times

27 posted on 01/07/2007 4:56:22 PM PST by Nat Turner (DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME)
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To: ASOC

You stationed at Ft. Rich?


28 posted on 01/07/2007 8:36:51 PM PST by NoCurrentFreeperByThatName (You lie, cheat and steal.)
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To: NoCurrentFreeperByThatName

Back in the day. I live in Anchorage tho. We had a Stryker unit here a while back, seeemed to work for everyone.


But, it seems, unlike HI, the folks in AK WELCOME the military.


29 posted on 01/07/2007 8:56:19 PM PST by ASOC (The phrase "What if" or "If only" are for children.)
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To: SLB

I was not aware of that, but being a former Grunt (when I was enlisted) and now a Redleg, I have never been to Knox.


30 posted on 01/07/2007 10:53:03 PM PST by RedlegCPT (One year in Iraq equals 16 months if you are an "Arctic Wolf")
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To: ASOC
Back in the day. I live in Anchorage tho. We had a Stryker unit here a while back, seeemed to work for everyone.

But, it seems, unlike HI, the folks in AK WELCOME the military.

I was there from 87-90 and loved it. Not a bad place to be stationed.

31 posted on 01/08/2007 2:03:24 AM PST by NoCurrentFreeperByThatName (You lie, cheat and steal.)
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