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Giuliani fears ex-wife will hit presidential bid
London Times ^ | 1/7/07 | London Times

Posted on 01/07/2007 11:46:24 AM PST by wagglebee

THERE is one woman who could cause Rudy Giuliani, the former New York mayor, more problems than Hillary Clinton in the race for the White House: she is Donna Hanover, his second wife, writes Sarah Baxter.

Hanover, an actress and broadcaster, was enraged by Giuliani’s flagrant infidelity towards the end of their 18-year marriage and the divorce case was vicious. Giuliani’s advisers fear that she could be a loose cannon in the 2008 campaign.

Giuliani was acclaimed as the “mayor of America” for his heroic role during the attacks on September 11, 2001 and is revered for his leadership. At the time he was living in the spare room of an apartment belonging to gay friends after Hanover forced him out of Gracie Mansion, the official residence.

Hanover refused to confirm that she would vote for Giuliani as mayor of New York even when she was married to him. “What kind of wife is that?” Raoul Felder, Giuliani’s lawyer, fumed. “She’s essentially saying she’s not going to vote for him.”

Hanover once stood outside a shower at Gracie Mansion, expecting to confront Judith Nathan, Giuliani’s mistress, now his third wife. In the event, a startled golfing friend of Giuliani’s emerged.

Hanover was also accused of a lack of sympathy while the former mayor was battling prostate cancer, by banishing him to a spare bedroom and exercising noisily on a treadmill at 5am.

New Yorkers relished the details of Giuliani’s larger-than-life personal story. But conservative “values voters” could be different, as Giuliani’s own aides noted in a 140-page memo leaked last week by supporters of a rival candidate.

The campaign dossier suggested that Hanover could be one of several potentially “insurmountable” vulnerabilities that could cause him to drop out of the race. It was an embarrassing start to a campaign that is not yet officially under way.

Giuliani’s record in fighting crime and terrorism has placed him at the top of several polls for the 2008 Republican nomination, edging out Senator John McCain in popular support. But the party base may be turned off by his support for abortion, immigration, gun control and gay rights (although not gay marriage). It is their votes that he needs to secure the nomination.

“It would be one thing if Giuliani could say, ‘I’m a strong social conservative in my private life’, but he can’t even say that,” said Ramesh Ponnuru, a conservative commentator and author of The Party of Death, an attack on social liberalism. “It’s not just the fact of his multiple marriages, it is the way the Hanover marriage melted down. It was operatic.”

When Giuliani met Hanover on a blind date in the early 1980s, his first marriage to Regina, his second cousin, was already over. Hanover, who went on to appear in the television series Ally McBeal, was a glamorous soulmate who seemed to enjoy the spotlight as much as he did.

They had two children, Andrew, 21, and Caroline, 17, but in 1996 Hanover stopped calling herself by his last name and a year later Vanity Fair magazine said that he was having an “intimate relationship” with a senior member of his staff.

In 2000, without telling Hanover first, Giuliani announced at a press conference that he was separating from her. She retaliated by accusing him of being unfaithful with the employee, but he was already with Nathan.

Maggie Gallagher, a family values campaigner, was outraged by Giuliani’s “scummy” performance, accusing him of making Bill Clinton “look good as a husband and father”.

New Yorkers learnt during the divorce case that their cancer- afflicted mayor was temporarily impotent and Hanover demanded a huge settlement, including £760 a month to care for Goalie, the family’s golden retriever.

Felder struck back, accusing Hanover of being an “uncaring mother” who was “howling like a stuck pig”.

In the end Giuliani, who was beginning to earn big consultancy fees after September 11, agreed to a settlement of $6.8m to avoid the full horror of a court case.

Hanover has married Ed Oster, her university sweetheart, and written a book, My Boyfriend’s Back, about rekindling an old romance. Even if she stays mum, there is enough in the public domain to rattle conservatives. Yet however vicious the personal attacks on Giuliani, they are unlikely to dent his reputation for competence. He did, after all, handle the September 11 attacks while bunking with gay friends in the midst of an affair and a divorce battle.


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008election; corrupt; donnahanover; exwife; giuliani; hitpiece; letch; nothanksrudy; rino; toomanywives
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Guiliani would be a great wartime president, but he is not a conservative. And since the media won't cover for him the way they did for BJ Klintoon, this could be a disaster.
1 posted on 01/07/2007 11:46:26 AM PST by wagglebee
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To: wagglebee

"In 2000, without telling Hanover first, Giuliani announced at a press conference that he was separating from her."

How white trash. Guliani, please go away and stick to making poll tested pulp speeches about "leadership."


2 posted on 01/07/2007 11:49:33 AM PST by KantianBurke
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To: wagglebee
“What kind of wife is that?” Raoul Felder, Giuliani’s lawyer, fumed. “She’s essentially saying she’s not going to vote for him.”


What kind of husband cheats on his wife frequently over 18 years? Then notifies her of the divorce via a press conference? There are plenty of presidential candidates who don't treat women like trash.
3 posted on 01/07/2007 11:50:56 AM PST by UWconservative
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To: wagglebee

Well she made mini comeback as judge on Law and Order Donna Hanover personally I think she sucks as Law and Order judge

I like other judge what her name who smack chat DA when they don't have case her name is Judge Steinberg she is funny ROFL


4 posted on 01/07/2007 11:51:32 AM PST by SevenofNine ("Step aside Jefe"=Det Lennie Briscoe)
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To: UWconservative

And, there are Rudy supporters on FR who decry Newt's "personal baggage." Rudy is no different, just much farther to the left.


5 posted on 01/07/2007 11:52:54 AM PST by BW2221
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To: wagglebee
“What kind of wife is that?” Raoul Felder, Giuliani’s lawyer, fumed

A wife of the "ex" variety.

6 posted on 01/07/2007 11:53:17 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: wagglebee

his first marriage to Regina, his second cousin, was already over.


ROTFLMAO. Man if nothing else it would be a hoot seeing the front pages of the newspaper everyday. My goodness I did not know he married a cousin too. It gets more and more crazy everyday. That is why McCain seems sane to me. lol.


7 posted on 01/07/2007 11:54:05 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: wagglebee

nasty smear piece

people really fear Giuliani since he is a front runner


8 posted on 01/07/2007 11:55:58 AM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: wagglebee

Oprah: Mayor Rudy Giuliani's Ex-Wife Donna Hanover Reveals Her New Love


http://www.oprah.com/tows/pastshows/200501/tows_past_20050125.jhtml


9 posted on 01/07/2007 11:56:31 AM PST by jimbo123
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To: UWconservative
There are plenty of presidential candidates who don't treat women like trash.

And those who do can look at recent history and see that treating women like trash and lying about it can be a non-issue as a POTUS.

10 posted on 01/07/2007 11:58:20 AM PST by EGPWS
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To: BW2221

Tom Tancredo, AFAIK, has been happily married with kids. Duncan Hunter has one son in the military and a reasonably happy marriage.

So why do we get the guy who marries cousins, treats women like crap, goes to live with gay friends, then marries wife #3? Or McInsane? Someone has a vested interest in forcing these men on us as candidates, and it's not conservatives.


11 posted on 01/07/2007 11:58:27 AM PST by UWconservative
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To: wagglebee
When Giuliani met Hanover on a blind date in the early 1980s, his first marriage to Regina, his second cousin, was already over.

Married to a cousin?? He's got more baggage to worry about than Hanover. Fuhgedaboudit, Rudus...

12 posted on 01/07/2007 11:58:40 AM PST by ErnBatavia (recent nightmare: Googled up "Helen Thomas nude"....)
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To: finnman69

The MSM will viciously attack every Republican contender except for McCain. After he gets the nomination, they will viciously attack McCain.


13 posted on 01/07/2007 12:01:33 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Well, it's 2007. Time to get ready for 2008.)
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To: wagglebee

> And since the media won't cover for him the way they did for BJ Klintoon, this could be a disaster.

I for one don't want the media to cover up such disgusting behavior for ANY man, no matter what his qualifications.

I don't understand the Guiliani love fest here on FR. The man is a proven degenerate. Is it too much to ask a presidential candidate to be competent AND morally sound?


14 posted on 01/07/2007 12:01:55 PM PST by VictoryGal (Never give up, never surrender!)
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To: UWconservative
Tom Tancredo, AFAIK, has been happily married with kids. Duncan Hunter has one son in the military and a reasonably happy marriage.

No wonder they have never captured the interest of the MSM.

15 posted on 01/07/2007 12:02:00 PM PST by EGPWS
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To: BW2221
And, there are Rudy supporters on FR who decry Newt's "personal baggage." Rudy is no different, just much farther to the left.

Nope...Rudy was married to the liberal b@tch from Hell...the "Vagina Monologues" chick.

He deserves all happiness with Judith, who stood by his side before 9/11...through 9/11...and beyond.

16 posted on 01/07/2007 12:04:15 PM PST by paulat
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To: wagglebee

Well of course she's gonna go after him! Any fool who is even vaguely familiar with Guiliani knows this!


17 posted on 01/07/2007 12:04:47 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: VictoryGal
Is it too much to ask a presidential candidate to be competent AND morally sound?

Apparently so for one of the greatest President's of modern day is in the 30% range in real time.

Sad but true.

18 posted on 01/07/2007 12:04:56 PM PST by EGPWS
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To: ErnBatavia

Maybe they were married in Arkansas when Bill Clinton was a Justice of the Peace? Seriously, though, Rudi's baggage is SNL comedy and his lefty views are even worse.


19 posted on 01/07/2007 12:04:56 PM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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To: napscoordinator

The fact that his affair and divorce was salacious, the fact that he was married to his cousin about knocked me off my chair.


20 posted on 01/07/2007 12:05:03 PM PST by panthermom
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To: wagglebee
hg
Who are they kidding?  Infidelity with Jennifer Flowers and the Today Show got Bill Clinton elected and infidelity with Monica Lewinski took his poll numbers from the low 40's to the mid 60's during Ken Star's investigation.

All he has to do is go on the Today Show, say he's truly sorry for youthful indiscretions, and claim "I didn't do anything different than Bill." except "I eradicated the mob while Bill ejaculated a glob." Heck, that even sounds like a good sound bite and bumper sticker.


21 posted on 01/07/2007 12:05:41 PM PST by HawaiianGecko (Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake.)
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To: finnman69
"nasty smear piece"

If it's a "nasty smear piece," why don't you set the record straight? What in this "nasty smear piece" is incorrect?
22 posted on 01/07/2007 12:06:09 PM PST by BW2221
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To: UWconservative

Let me in on what's wrong or illegal or unseemly about marrying a 2nd cousin. I've forgotten.


23 posted on 01/07/2007 12:06:09 PM PST by Clara Lou
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To: wagglebee

If she has moved on from her divorce and is at all happy with her current life and husband, then she won't say a thing.

If she is unhappy, or still holding on to the bitterness, well, sorry Mr. Mayor, but you won't be in this one long. Your only chance would be to make her out to be a hateful shrew and frankly, doing that to the mother of you kids will not win you many votes.


24 posted on 01/07/2007 12:06:43 PM PST by mad puppy ( 2007 is going to be great)
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To: jimbo123

It must really frost Donna Hanover to know that she will forever be known mainly as Mayor Guiliani's ex-wife!


25 posted on 01/07/2007 12:07:11 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: EGPWS
They never have, but I'm sure the MSM's interest is captured with this.

26 posted on 01/07/2007 12:07:20 PM PST by UWconservative
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To: wagglebee

If I were him, I would be worried about his 2nd Cousin that he married. Somehow this would a bit more shocking than anything Hanover could say.


27 posted on 01/07/2007 12:07:34 PM PST by Afronaut (Press 2 for English - Thanks Mr. President !)
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To: wagglebee
Rudy Giuliani in Drag Smooching Donald Trump
28 posted on 01/07/2007 12:07:46 PM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: EGPWS

"And those who do can look at recent history and see that treating women like trash and lying about it can be a non-issue as a POTUS."

Reading that makes me think of Bill Clinton. We don't need another Bill Clinton.

Besides all of these social issues, Rudy has a serious ration of disrespect for the Bill of Rights. That alone is enough to disqualify him in my eyes.


29 posted on 01/07/2007 12:08:04 PM PST by FreeInWV
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To: VictoryGal
I don't understand the Guiliani love fest here on FR.

I don't either. He did a great job of keeping up the spirits in NYC after 9/11, but I'm not sure how difficult that actually was (immediately after a disaster, people's natural response is to unify, but it usually doesn't last and it didn't in NYC).

Guiliani is strong on defense, but on every other issue he is a liberal.

30 posted on 01/07/2007 12:08:21 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: paulat
Rudy seems to like being around liberals.

Regardless of what you think of the "liberal b@tch from Hell," announcing the divorce via a press conference is pretty classless.
31 posted on 01/07/2007 12:08:33 PM PST by BW2221
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To: Clara Lou

I would never marry one of my second cousins. It means our great grandparents were the same. That level of incest is, imo inappropriate.


32 posted on 01/07/2007 12:10:30 PM PST by UWconservative
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To: UWconservative
They never have, but I'm sure the MSM's interest is captured with this.

What? A little box with a red x inside of it?

The MSM needs to reevaluate their focus on pertinent issues. ; )

33 posted on 01/07/2007 12:10:36 PM PST by EGPWS
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To: wagglebee

A man who cheats on his wife is a dirtbag. If you must cheat, divorce her first. Not saying I won't vote for Guiliani if he gets nominated but I really hope the GOP comes up with somebody with better character.


34 posted on 01/07/2007 12:10:42 PM PST by SamAdams76 (I'm 72 days from outliving Steve Irwin)
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To: UWconservative
It's simple. MSM loves Rudy because they know it's the best they can hope for. Imagine a race between Rudy and Hillary or Obama. There's no way liberals can lose ... or conservatives can win.
35 posted on 01/07/2007 12:11:09 PM PST by BW2221
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To: wagglebee

Giulani is damaged goods, McQueeg scary, and Romney has liberal question marks (and the Mormonism thing IS a big deal). It's darkhorse time. Haley Barbour, Duncan Hunter, and a couple of others are seeming better all the time.


36 posted on 01/07/2007 12:11:36 PM PST by FastCoyote
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To: UWconservative

And it only took him 14 years to decide that incest was wrong.


37 posted on 01/07/2007 12:11:47 PM PST by FreeInWV
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To: UWconservative
What kind of husband cheats on his wife frequently over 18 years?

I believe our supposed has-it-in-the-bag nominee, Mr. McManiac, did the same thing. Only his wife was no longer a glamorous actress at the time. A former model, she had been badly injured in a car wreck (three broken limbs), had lost four inches of height, and was crippled. McCain ultimately dumped her for a new trophy.

38 posted on 01/07/2007 12:12:28 PM PST by freespirited (Honk for disbarment of Mike Nifong.)
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To: EGPWS

Dammit, it was showing up for me. ;_;

Oh well, I assume everyone's seen Rudy in drag. ;p


39 posted on 01/07/2007 12:12:45 PM PST by UWconservative
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To: EGPWS

>>Is it too much to ask a presidential candidate to be competent AND morally sound?

> Apparently so for one of the greatest President's of modern day is in the 30% range in real time.

I don't understand... do you mean Reagan because he was divorced? Being divorced is not great, but not terrible-- we're talking here about rampant infidelity and announcing a split in a press conference.


40 posted on 01/07/2007 12:13:03 PM PST by VictoryGal (Never give up, never surrender!)
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During Rudy's cancer treatment Donna went out of her way to bring him nothing but misery. She was a self centered b*tch who wanted to hang out with the dem libs, like her good friend Eve Ensler of Vagina Monologues fame.


41 posted on 01/07/2007 12:13:08 PM PST by OldFriend (THE PRESS IS AN EVIL FOR WHICH THERE IS NO REMEDY)
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To: freespirited

I wasn't aware of that. Truly despicable. I can't say I've walked a mile in the man's shoes, but to abandon my poor wife because she becomes crippled...

My mother had MS, my father never abandoned her. I will work night and day to see that this man never makes it to the Presidency. Even if I have to accept a guy like Romney.


42 posted on 01/07/2007 12:15:46 PM PST by UWconservative
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To: OldFriend
"She was a self centered b*tch who wanted to hang out with the dem libs, like her good friend Eve Ensler of Vagina Monologues fame."

Other than the "b*tch" part, how is she any different from Rudy?
43 posted on 01/07/2007 12:15:53 PM PST by BW2221
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To: BW2221

I have mentioned Newt and Rudy's personal baggage will keep them unelectable and was attacked for it.


44 posted on 01/07/2007 12:16:20 PM PST by packrat35 (guest worker/day worker=SlaveMart)
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To: UWconservative

Guiliani missed his chance when he choose not to run against Hillary for the Senate seat.

Guiliani would make a great NY Senator and a lousy President.


45 posted on 01/07/2007 12:16:49 PM PST by proudpapa (of three.)
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To: ErnBatavia; napscoordinator; TommyDale; jla; Reagan Man; Fierce Allegiance; beltfed308; ...

Julie-Annie will do anything to rid himself of women after he's done with them.

Rudy's marriage to his cousin gets even wierder than the article suggests----he tried to have the marriage annuled, claiming "he did not know" she was his cousin. Guess when she referred to his parents as her aunt and uncle, that wasn't a clue (/sarc).

The article says Hanover forced Rudy out of Gracie Mansion. But that was AFTER he tried to put her and his biological children out on the streets........so he could move his lover into the Mayor's mansion.


46 posted on 01/07/2007 12:17:02 PM PST by Liz (Nearly all men can stand adversity, but to test a man's character, give him power. Abe Lincoln)
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To: VictoryGal
"I don't understand... do you mean Reagan because he was divorced? Being divorced is not great, but not terrible-- we're talking here about rampant infidelity and announcing a split in a press conference."

There's nothing terrible about getting divorced. But, you don't have to go about it like Newt or Rudy.
47 posted on 01/07/2007 12:18:25 PM PST by BW2221
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To: VictoryGal
>>Is it too much to ask a presidential candidate to be competent AND morally sound?

> Apparently so for one of the greatest President's of modern day is in the 30% range in real time.

I don't understand... do you mean Reagan because he was divorced?

Being divorced is not great, but not terrible-- we're talking here about rampant infidelity and announcing a split in a press conference.

No, I mean we have a present POTUS with conviction, happily married, and is in the tank in the poll's.

How did you mindfully bring RWR into it??

48 posted on 01/07/2007 12:18:54 PM PST by EGPWS
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My goodness I did not know he married a cousin too.

Guess what Eleanor Roosevelt's maiden name was.

49 posted on 01/07/2007 12:19:45 PM PST by Polybius
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To: proudpapa

Rudy would have mde an outstanding Governor of NY


50 posted on 01/07/2007 12:19:46 PM PST by OldFriend (THE PRESS IS AN EVIL FOR WHICH THERE IS NO REMEDY)
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