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Giuliani fears ex-wife will hit presidential bid
London Times ^ | 1/7/07 | London Times

Posted on 01/07/2007 11:46:24 AM PST by wagglebee

THERE is one woman who could cause Rudy Giuliani, the former New York mayor, more problems than Hillary Clinton in the race for the White House: she is Donna Hanover, his second wife, writes Sarah Baxter.

Hanover, an actress and broadcaster, was enraged by Giuliani’s flagrant infidelity towards the end of their 18-year marriage and the divorce case was vicious. Giuliani’s advisers fear that she could be a loose cannon in the 2008 campaign.

Giuliani was acclaimed as the “mayor of America” for his heroic role during the attacks on September 11, 2001 and is revered for his leadership. At the time he was living in the spare room of an apartment belonging to gay friends after Hanover forced him out of Gracie Mansion, the official residence.

Hanover refused to confirm that she would vote for Giuliani as mayor of New York even when she was married to him. “What kind of wife is that?” Raoul Felder, Giuliani’s lawyer, fumed. “She’s essentially saying she’s not going to vote for him.”

Hanover once stood outside a shower at Gracie Mansion, expecting to confront Judith Nathan, Giuliani’s mistress, now his third wife. In the event, a startled golfing friend of Giuliani’s emerged.

Hanover was also accused of a lack of sympathy while the former mayor was battling prostate cancer, by banishing him to a spare bedroom and exercising noisily on a treadmill at 5am.

New Yorkers relished the details of Giuliani’s larger-than-life personal story. But conservative “values voters” could be different, as Giuliani’s own aides noted in a 140-page memo leaked last week by supporters of a rival candidate.

The campaign dossier suggested that Hanover could be one of several potentially “insurmountable” vulnerabilities that could cause him to drop out of the race. It was an embarrassing start to a campaign that is not yet officially under way.

Giuliani’s record in fighting crime and terrorism has placed him at the top of several polls for the 2008 Republican nomination, edging out Senator John McCain in popular support. But the party base may be turned off by his support for abortion, immigration, gun control and gay rights (although not gay marriage). It is their votes that he needs to secure the nomination.

“It would be one thing if Giuliani could say, ‘I’m a strong social conservative in my private life’, but he can’t even say that,” said Ramesh Ponnuru, a conservative commentator and author of The Party of Death, an attack on social liberalism. “It’s not just the fact of his multiple marriages, it is the way the Hanover marriage melted down. It was operatic.”

When Giuliani met Hanover on a blind date in the early 1980s, his first marriage to Regina, his second cousin, was already over. Hanover, who went on to appear in the television series Ally McBeal, was a glamorous soulmate who seemed to enjoy the spotlight as much as he did.

They had two children, Andrew, 21, and Caroline, 17, but in 1996 Hanover stopped calling herself by his last name and a year later Vanity Fair magazine said that he was having an “intimate relationship” with a senior member of his staff.

In 2000, without telling Hanover first, Giuliani announced at a press conference that he was separating from her. She retaliated by accusing him of being unfaithful with the employee, but he was already with Nathan.

Maggie Gallagher, a family values campaigner, was outraged by Giuliani’s “scummy” performance, accusing him of making Bill Clinton “look good as a husband and father”.

New Yorkers learnt during the divorce case that their cancer- afflicted mayor was temporarily impotent and Hanover demanded a huge settlement, including £760 a month to care for Goalie, the family’s golden retriever.

Felder struck back, accusing Hanover of being an “uncaring mother” who was “howling like a stuck pig”.

In the end Giuliani, who was beginning to earn big consultancy fees after September 11, agreed to a settlement of $6.8m to avoid the full horror of a court case.

Hanover has married Ed Oster, her university sweetheart, and written a book, My Boyfriend’s Back, about rekindling an old romance. Even if she stays mum, there is enough in the public domain to rattle conservatives. Yet however vicious the personal attacks on Giuliani, they are unlikely to dent his reputation for competence. He did, after all, handle the September 11 attacks while bunking with gay friends in the midst of an affair and a divorce battle.


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KEYWORDS: 2008election; corrupt; donnahanover; exwife; giuliani; hitpiece; letch; nothanksrudy; rino; toomanywives
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To: wagglebee

Donna Hanover has so much baggage herself, I doubt she would expose herself now. Hopefully, she has moved on. Almost all sympathy in NY was with Rudy through all this. She was an extremely disliked and unpopular figure. With the way she conducted herself, hardly anyone blamed Rudy.

Isn't it a sad state when we consider someone's marital history more important than their leadership and intellectual ability?


101 posted on 01/07/2007 12:58:58 PM PST by Cincinna (HILLARY & HER HINO " We are going to take things away from you for the Common Good ")
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To: Unmarked Package
You will find this video interesting if you haven't seen it already

Thanks, UP!! I'm seriously lookin' at him!

The video is very interesting (see #95 for link)

103 posted on 01/07/2007 12:59:16 PM PST by paulat
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To: Fierce Allegiance

You see, if Giuliani were to become the candidate [which he won't], when I ggot ready to vote, I'd to vote for the best candidate on the slate. I' wouldn't turn up my nose and not vote and let someone else [like a bunch of Democrats] determine the election outcome. I'd probably vote for Giuliani over Joe Biden, for instance, any day. Being sanctimonious isn't constructive.


104 posted on 01/07/2007 1:00:56 PM PST by Clara Lou
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To: Liz
Guess when she referred to his parents as her aunt and uncle, that wasn't a clue

Why would she refer to his parents as Aunt and Uncle if she was a second cousin?

105 posted on 01/07/2007 1:01:08 PM PST by McGavin999 (Don't be a Freeploader, contribute to the upkeep of FreeRepublic)
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To: wagglebee

Looks like his prostate let Hillary become NY's senator and now his ex-wife will be responsible for Hill to become...........NEVER MIND....I just can't bring myself to say it!!


106 posted on 01/07/2007 1:01:42 PM PST by PISANO
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To: Afronaut

I've noticed this a lot on FR. I saw guys ripping PayGo (something the Republicans should have passed) because it meant they couldn't continue to cut taxes while raising spending.

These people are not conservative. Since when have conservatives considered a balanced budget illogical? Since when has borrowing from ChiComs to pay for pork projects, and then handing the debt to our children, been considered conservative? This must stop. Conservatives must take the party back or we will look like Europe.


107 posted on 01/07/2007 1:02:15 PM PST by UWconservative
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
Myself, I won't vote for him and it is not because of incest...
Exactly, especially since he didn't commit incest.
108 posted on 01/07/2007 1:03:24 PM PST by Clara Lou
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To: ansel12
Newt has a messy period in his history

Yeah, that whole wife dying of cancer while you're off having an affair was pretty messy.

109 posted on 01/07/2007 1:03:31 PM PST by McGavin999 (Don't be a Freeploader, contribute to the upkeep of FreeRepublic)
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To: paulat

The RINOs in the senate handed control to the Rats before there was an election...

Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary wasn't a big help either...


110 posted on 01/07/2007 1:03:42 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Xenophon450

OK, this is to all the boneheads who are going to push for a Tancredo or Hunter or anything else presidency:

You know perfectly well, neither of them will win squat. They won't win a single primary. And it's not hard to imagine why: They're professional House members. They've done almost nothing else. Of course they have perfect position papers and pristine principles. They've never been tested. They've never had to negotiate. They've never had to manage a large organization. They've never had to set priorities.

Moreover, you guys support these also-rans because you know they WON'T win. You don't want to have to defend anyone. you don't want to have to take a half a loaf. If he doesn't adhere to your narrow notion of "principle," you'll throw him over the side.

I've seen it time and time again on FR. There's a contingent who supports a nobody specifically because they don't know much about him. They project their desires on him.

Well, a "don't blame me" bumper sticker isn't civic responsibility, it's irresponsibility. There is no way someone whose resume only includes "member, US House of Representatives" is ready for the Presidency and will never get elected. Period.


111 posted on 01/07/2007 1:05:17 PM PST by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for. It matters who takes office.)
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To: UWconservative

I wouldn't be able to recognize any of my second cousins.


112 posted on 01/07/2007 1:07:21 PM PST by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for. It matters who takes office.)
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To: wagglebee

I like Rudy. But, that is a major liability. Our three front runners all have liabilities that may or may not eliminate them as strong nominees. Except for McCain I hope the other two Romney and Rudy can overcome. The point is that we need not have party leaders clearing the field for anyone. we need to see how they weather these issues and test them before we choose one. That is the problem with the Dem's in '04. They took one who looked god to them on paper and he proved to be weak.


113 posted on 01/07/2007 1:07:34 PM PST by bilhosty (to hell with ABCNNBCBS)
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To: wagglebee
easy. just buy them off like the multitude of clinton's bimbos.

easy, guys. that was sarcastic ;)

114 posted on 01/07/2007 1:07:38 PM PST by smonk
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To: wagglebee
What a rag this London Times is.

Here's the headline:

Giuliani fears ex-wife will hit presidential bid

I challenge anyone to find ANYTHING in that article that supports that headline.

115 posted on 01/07/2007 1:08:09 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Clara Lou

The RINOs in the senate handed control to the Rats before there was an election...

Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary wasn't a big help either... AND IT WON'T BE in the future...

I might has well write in Bullwinkle if I have to choose between two liberal New York lawyers with Madison Avenue designer labels.


116 posted on 01/07/2007 1:09:29 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: UWconservative

But the American people don't know Tancredo and Hunter. They vote only for familiar names. They are too "busy" to educate themselves.


117 posted on 01/07/2007 1:09:36 PM PST by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: OldFriend

I've wondered why Rudy didn't run for NYGov this time. I really can't understand why he thinks he can be president, let alone the Republican nominee.

Maybe he's running for VP (like I believe Duncan Hunter is) but the VP choice will likely be a conservative so as to ease conservatives' worries.

Maybe he wants to keep a high profile so that he can be taken on a sedan chair to Albany when Spitzer makes a mess of NYS.


118 posted on 01/07/2007 1:10:18 PM PST by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for. It matters who takes office.)
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To: AmishDude

I disagree.

Resume for Edwards: Trial lawyer, brief senator
Resume for Clinton: Wife of prez, short time as senator
Resume for Obama: 2 years as senator


Those are the Dem frontrunners. I think a person who takes a stand on illegals will lock up the swing states in the southwest, and probably Virginia as well.


119 posted on 01/07/2007 1:10:50 PM PST by UWconservative
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To: Cincinna
Donna Hanover has so much baggage herself, I doubt she would expose herself now.

She's not running for anything and exposed mental and emotional problems is nothing more than a resume enhancement in her profession.

120 posted on 01/07/2007 1:11:55 PM PST by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for. It matters who takes office.)
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To: finnman69; Liz
"nasty smear piece"..."people really fear Giuliani since he is a front runner"...

A smear would be an exaggeration or untruth. The facts are the facts. If these facts hurt Giuliani, he deserves them as a result of his own actions.

121 posted on 01/07/2007 1:12:45 PM PST by TommyDale (If we don't put a stop to this global warming, we will all be dead in 10,000 years!)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

Fine. Write "Bullwinkle" in and give up any scintilla of choice that you had. That's your choice.


122 posted on 01/07/2007 1:13:04 PM PST by Clara Lou
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To: McGavin999; Liz

Liz was trying to be funny.

As you can see, it didn't work.


123 posted on 01/07/2007 1:13:19 PM PST by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for. It matters who takes office.)
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To: UWconservative
There are plenty of presidential candidates who don't treat women like trash.

I seriously doubt it.

124 posted on 01/07/2007 1:13:50 PM PST by Jim Noble (To secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity)
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To: Fierce Allegiance
He cheated on her. That alone is enough where I would never vote for him.

Ummm, let's see, the man had prostate cancer, how much cheating do you think he was doing?

125 posted on 01/07/2007 1:14:09 PM PST by McGavin999 (Don't be a Freeploader, contribute to the upkeep of FreeRepublic)
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To: AmishDude

Very well said!

The problem is that presidents are generally current or former governors and the GOP really doesn't have any right now. The only remote possibilities were George Allen (who destroyed himself) and Jeb Bush (which WILL NOT happen).

The good news is that the 'Rats really don't have anyone either.


126 posted on 01/07/2007 1:14:23 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Theodore R.

Then we have to educate them. Right now they are associating "conservative" with bribery and addiction to pork and illegal labor. That's why we lost, imo. If we can get a guy to take a stand on the spending, pork, and illegals, I think we'll do just fine.


127 posted on 01/07/2007 1:14:36 PM PST by UWconservative
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To: AmishDude

Very insightful commentary and exceptionally well written (Post #111). [CLAP] [CLAP] [CLAP] [CLAP]


128 posted on 01/07/2007 1:14:41 PM PST by Unmarked Package (Amazing surprises await us under cover of a humble exterior.)
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To: wagglebee
****IMO, Rudy would be fine as Secretary of Defense, National Security Advisor or Secretary of Homeland Security -- basically something that wouldn't be screwed up by his liberal views.****

Right, maybe even Secretary of State. In that position he could use his 'toughness' to great effect.

129 posted on 01/07/2007 1:15:10 PM PST by Condor51 (An intellectual is a man who doesn't know how to park a bike.)
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To: UWconservative

>>>>>>What kind of husband cheats on his wife frequently over 18 years? Then notifies her of the divorce via a press conference? There are plenty of presidential candidates who don't treat women like trash



Bill Clinton. Except he never had the decency or the stones to actually LEAVE.


130 posted on 01/07/2007 1:15:23 PM PST by LC HOGHEAD ( G.O.P. official "Nothing will rally conservatives and Republicans like a Hillary nomination")
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To: Clara Lou

There is no choice if they are the same...


131 posted on 01/07/2007 1:16:03 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: UWconservative

Clinton has been senator a full term, got re-elected and, let's face it, most people view her as having been the equivalent of a cabinet officer. Obama is not a serious candidate and is only a shield for Clinton during this beauty pageant phase. Edwards will win nothing, Dodd or Biden will do better.


132 posted on 01/07/2007 1:16:41 PM PST by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for. It matters who takes office.)
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To: wagglebee
"Guiliani is strong on defense, but on every other issue he is a liberal."

I keep reading that here on FR, but I cannot find any reference to his position on national defense. He has never commanded an army. The guy is a gun confiscationist, anti 2nd Amendment. What makes anyone trust him with the U.S. Armed Services?

133 posted on 01/07/2007 1:17:08 PM PST by TommyDale (If we don't put a stop to this global warming, we will all be dead in 10,000 years!)
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To: Clara Lou
Fine. Write "Bullwinkle" in

You never know -- Bullwinkle just might be able to pull a rabbit out of his hat.

134 posted on 01/07/2007 1:17:43 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: AmishDude
There is no way someone whose resume only includes "member, US House of Representatives" is ready for the Presidency and will never get elected. Period.

The first Republican president, Abe Lincoln...

135 posted on 01/07/2007 1:17:59 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: UWconservative
I saw guys ripping PayGo

Are you familiar with the difference between dynamic and static scoring?

136 posted on 01/07/2007 1:18:09 PM PST by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for. It matters who takes office.)
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To: HawaiianGecko

>>>>>>All he has to do is go on the Today Show, say he's truly sorry for youthful indiscretions, and claim "I didn't do anything different than Bill." except "I eradicated the mob while Bill ejaculated a glob'


ROFLMAO


137 posted on 01/07/2007 1:18:15 PM PST by LC HOGHEAD ( G.O.P. official "Nothing will rally conservatives and Republicans like a Hillary nomination")
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To: Condor51

The problem is that the State Department is so full of leftists that Rudy might become fickle on his only "strong" area (look at Powell, he was a moderate when he became Secretary and four years turned him into a liberal).


138 posted on 01/07/2007 1:18:23 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: TommyDale

Good point!


139 posted on 01/07/2007 1:18:51 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: McGavin999
...let's see, the man had prostate cancer, how much cheating do you think he was doing?

Shooting blanks won't help win a war either...

140 posted on 01/07/2007 1:20:43 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: finnman69
people really fear Giuliani since he is a front runner

People ridicule his candidacy because apart from being preceived as strong and conpetent in the wake of 9/11, on closer inspection he is an embarrassment and a joke.

141 posted on 01/07/2007 1:20:47 PM PST by JCEccles
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To: AmishDude

I find your post to be insulting. I'm not on the hunter or tancredo bandwagon, but to accuse hunter of not being tested is a farce. The man is a decorated army ranger, i think he's been better tested than most anyone else in washington.


142 posted on 01/07/2007 1:21:11 PM PST by SDGOP
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To: All

Why was everyone so willing to forgive Ronald Reagan... A long-time member of one of the sleaziest of U.S. communities and careers (Hollywood), he had a very acrimonious divorce, was a registered Democrat, was accused of being a cold and distant father. And we allowed him to lead us and he turned out to be one of the greatest Governors and Presidents ever. And who can really beat "Bedtime for Bonzo" for lack of dignity (just kidding, it's a cute move)!


143 posted on 01/07/2007 1:21:23 PM PST by BonnieJ
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To: Mr. Mojo
Bullwinkle just might be able to pull a rabbit out of his hat.

Or a lion...

144 posted on 01/07/2007 1:22:03 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: wagglebee

I want no part of him and it has nothing to do with his private life.


145 posted on 01/07/2007 1:23:07 PM PST by SmoothTalker
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To: wagglebee
The good news is that the 'Rats really don't have anyone either.

But the thing is, we're in a war and it's going to take someone who is tough as nail and who is going to scare the CR*P out of the terrorists.

146 posted on 01/07/2007 1:23:07 PM PST by McGavin999 (Don't be a Freeploader, contribute to the upkeep of FreeRepublic)
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To: AmishDude
OK, this is to all the boneheads who are going to push for a Tancredo or Hunter or anything else presidency:

Dude...thanks for saying every last thing I've wanted to say for a long time!

147 posted on 01/07/2007 1:23:08 PM PST by paulat
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
The first Republican president, Abe Lincoln.

Lincoln won a plurality of votes in perhaps the most fractured and bitterly divided election in US history. The circumstances were uniquely structured to allow him to win the presidency. 2008 is not going to afford a similar opportunity to Duncan Hunter or any other congressman.

148 posted on 01/07/2007 1:24:52 PM PST by JCEccles
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To: BonnieJ

Don't attempt to smear reagan to make your point.

Holywood was not as sleazy as it was today when reagan was in it. Holywood of Reagan's day was very pro american.

His divorce wasn't some big scandal, his wife left him not the other way around. And lets remember, nancy and ronald reagan had been married almost 30 years by the time he became president.

Yea, reagan was a registered democrat, but so what? As he put it, the democrat party left him, not the other way around.


149 posted on 01/07/2007 1:25:05 PM PST by SDGOP
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
Lincoln managed election because the Democratic party split and this resulted in a 4-way race.

If you can manage that, then kudos to you. You'll probably have to invade Fort Sumter while you're at it.
150 posted on 01/07/2007 1:25:31 PM PST by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for. It matters who takes office.)
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