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Giuliani fears ex-wife will hit presidential bid
London Times ^ | 1/7/07 | London Times

Posted on 01/07/2007 11:46:24 AM PST by wagglebee

THERE is one woman who could cause Rudy Giuliani, the former New York mayor, more problems than Hillary Clinton in the race for the White House: she is Donna Hanover, his second wife, writes Sarah Baxter.

Hanover, an actress and broadcaster, was enraged by Giuliani’s flagrant infidelity towards the end of their 18-year marriage and the divorce case was vicious. Giuliani’s advisers fear that she could be a loose cannon in the 2008 campaign.

Giuliani was acclaimed as the “mayor of America” for his heroic role during the attacks on September 11, 2001 and is revered for his leadership. At the time he was living in the spare room of an apartment belonging to gay friends after Hanover forced him out of Gracie Mansion, the official residence.

Hanover refused to confirm that she would vote for Giuliani as mayor of New York even when she was married to him. “What kind of wife is that?” Raoul Felder, Giuliani’s lawyer, fumed. “She’s essentially saying she’s not going to vote for him.”

Hanover once stood outside a shower at Gracie Mansion, expecting to confront Judith Nathan, Giuliani’s mistress, now his third wife. In the event, a startled golfing friend of Giuliani’s emerged.

Hanover was also accused of a lack of sympathy while the former mayor was battling prostate cancer, by banishing him to a spare bedroom and exercising noisily on a treadmill at 5am.

New Yorkers relished the details of Giuliani’s larger-than-life personal story. But conservative “values voters” could be different, as Giuliani’s own aides noted in a 140-page memo leaked last week by supporters of a rival candidate.

The campaign dossier suggested that Hanover could be one of several potentially “insurmountable” vulnerabilities that could cause him to drop out of the race. It was an embarrassing start to a campaign that is not yet officially under way.

Giuliani’s record in fighting crime and terrorism has placed him at the top of several polls for the 2008 Republican nomination, edging out Senator John McCain in popular support. But the party base may be turned off by his support for abortion, immigration, gun control and gay rights (although not gay marriage). It is their votes that he needs to secure the nomination.

“It would be one thing if Giuliani could say, ‘I’m a strong social conservative in my private life’, but he can’t even say that,” said Ramesh Ponnuru, a conservative commentator and author of The Party of Death, an attack on social liberalism. “It’s not just the fact of his multiple marriages, it is the way the Hanover marriage melted down. It was operatic.”

When Giuliani met Hanover on a blind date in the early 1980s, his first marriage to Regina, his second cousin, was already over. Hanover, who went on to appear in the television series Ally McBeal, was a glamorous soulmate who seemed to enjoy the spotlight as much as he did.

They had two children, Andrew, 21, and Caroline, 17, but in 1996 Hanover stopped calling herself by his last name and a year later Vanity Fair magazine said that he was having an “intimate relationship” with a senior member of his staff.

In 2000, without telling Hanover first, Giuliani announced at a press conference that he was separating from her. She retaliated by accusing him of being unfaithful with the employee, but he was already with Nathan.

Maggie Gallagher, a family values campaigner, was outraged by Giuliani’s “scummy” performance, accusing him of making Bill Clinton “look good as a husband and father”.

New Yorkers learnt during the divorce case that their cancer- afflicted mayor was temporarily impotent and Hanover demanded a huge settlement, including £760 a month to care for Goalie, the family’s golden retriever.

Felder struck back, accusing Hanover of being an “uncaring mother” who was “howling like a stuck pig”.

In the end Giuliani, who was beginning to earn big consultancy fees after September 11, agreed to a settlement of $6.8m to avoid the full horror of a court case.

Hanover has married Ed Oster, her university sweetheart, and written a book, My Boyfriend’s Back, about rekindling an old romance. Even if she stays mum, there is enough in the public domain to rattle conservatives. Yet however vicious the personal attacks on Giuliani, they are unlikely to dent his reputation for competence. He did, after all, handle the September 11 attacks while bunking with gay friends in the midst of an affair and a divorce battle.


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To: finnman69
people really fear Giuliani since he is a front runner

Not for long.

151 posted on 01/07/2007 1:26:03 PM PST by Ramcat (Thank You American Veterans)
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To: JCEccles
Lincoln won a plurality of votes in perhaps the most fractured and bitterly divided election in US history.

I thought that was GWB in 2000...


2008 is not going to afford a similar opportunity to Duncan Hunter or any other congressman.

If the new Rosie O'Donnell wing of the Republican party keeps equating the Christians with the Taliban, I wouldn't count on that.

152 posted on 01/07/2007 1:28:19 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: SDGOP
I find your post to be insulting. I'm not on the hunter or tancredo bandwagon, but to accuse hunter of not being tested is a farce. The man is a decorated army ranger, i think he's been better tested than most anyone else in washington.

I should have said that his leadership skills were not tested. How many stars did he have when he retired?

153 posted on 01/07/2007 1:28:24 PM PST by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for. It matters who takes office.)
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To: SDGOP
Holywood was not as sleazy as it was today when reagan was in it.

You are completely ignorant of Hollywood history.

154 posted on 01/07/2007 1:28:25 PM PST by paulat
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To: wagglebee
While I would never vote for Rudy in a primary, if it came down to him vs. the dems, I would of course have to vote for him. I wouldn't like it, but I would do it.

He did earn big points when he told that Saudi prince to stick his check where the sun don't shine, though.

NEW YORK (CNN) -- Mayor Rudy Giuliani said Thursday the city would not accept a $10 million donation for disaster relief from Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal after the prince suggested U.S. policies in the Middle East contributed to the September 11 attacks.

155 posted on 01/07/2007 1:28:29 PM PST by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made outta liberals...)
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To: AmishDude
You forgot Garfield. He went from the House to the presidency. :)

"Meanwhile, in 1862, Ohioans elected him to Congress. President Lincoln persuaded him to resign his commission: It was easier to find major generals than to obtain effective Republicans for Congress. Garfield repeatedly won re-election for 18 years, and became the leading Republican in the House.

At the 1880 Republican Convention, Garfield failed to win the Presidential nomination for his friend John Sherman. Finally, on the 36th ballot, Garfield himself became the "dark horse" nominee."

So will be be Mitt, Rudy, or John? Any prediction?

156 posted on 01/07/2007 1:29:24 PM PST by Torie
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To: BonnieJ

As far as Reagan goes, there are a lot of differences.

Hollywood WAS NOT the leftist bastion in the 1940s and 50s that it is today. Look at guys like John Wayne, Jimmy Stewart, etc., they were totally pro-America. They supported blacklisting communists. Hollywood started going downhill during Vietnam.

Most importantly, Reagan more than proved himself as governor of California and he was the undisputed leader of conservativism after Goldwater's defeat in 1964.


157 posted on 01/07/2007 1:29:59 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: AmishDude
I should have said that his leadership skills were not tested. How many stars did he have when he retired?

It is the soldier who wins the wars on the field. Does he risk any less?

158 posted on 01/07/2007 1:30:12 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: wagglebee

Anyone who cares about conservative or even middle-of-road values will disregard Giulliani's former wife because she was in the disgusting Broadway show, Vagina Monologues. Any shred of credibility she may have is completely overwhelmed by this disgusting lapse in judgment. No wonder Rudy wanted out.

Ms. Veto!


159 posted on 01/07/2007 1:30:30 PM PST by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: paulat

Yea, i guess i must have forgotten all the pro america and pro war films that came out in the 40's.


160 posted on 01/07/2007 1:30:39 PM PST by SDGOP
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
f the new Rosie O'Donnell wing of the Republican party keeps equating the Christians with the Taliban, I wouldn't count on that.

There you go again.

161 posted on 01/07/2007 1:30:47 PM PST by Torie
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To: BonnieJ
Why was everyone so willing to forgive Ronald Reagan.

The circumstances of Reagan's divorce were not the same. Moreover, the divorce was more than thirty years behind him. He had consitently demonstrated exceptional emotional and moral stability and integrity by the time he ran for president.

Giuliani has not demonstrated requisite emotional and moral stability and integrity. A man who cannot exercise the necessary self-discipline to be faithful to his wife and children cannot be trusted to be faithful in other things.

162 posted on 01/07/2007 1:30:56 PM PST by JCEccles
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To: VictoryGal
I don't understand the Guiliani love fest here on FR. The man is a proven degenerate. Is it too much to ask a presidential candidate to be competent AND morally sound?

Ding ding ding... we have a winner...

Perhaps they just want to set us true conservatives up with another round of "it your fault that republicans didn't win" in 2008 arguments.

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Guiliani is a loser on so many levels that is appalls me that people even consider him.

163 posted on 01/07/2007 1:33:35 PM PST by LowOiL (Paul wrote, "Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil" (Rom. 12:9))
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To: Mr. Mojo

I'll vote for Bullwinkle too. We might just be getting a grass-roots movement going here.


164 posted on 01/07/2007 1:33:39 PM PST by mhx
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To: teenyelliott
He earned even bigger points with me when he would let Arafat out around New York City when he came to the UN. Also when he condmened the painting of the Madonna surrounded by elephant dung. And when he cleaned up New York City.

I haven't decided who I'm voting for, but I hate to see everyone dumping on someone who has clearly shown backbone when we are in the middle of a war of survival.

If this were another time, I probably wouldn't even consider the man, but I want someone in there who is going to stand up to the terrorists and make them quake in their boots.

165 posted on 01/07/2007 1:34:01 PM PST by McGavin999 (Don't be a Freeploader, contribute to the upkeep of FreeRepublic)
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To: wagglebee

-he won't last the year out. Just my prediction.


166 posted on 01/07/2007 1:35:01 PM PST by tioga
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To: Ramcat
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Go Rudy Go!!

167 posted on 01/07/2007 1:35:40 PM PST by Afronaut (Press 2 for English - Thanks Mr. President !)
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To: AmishDude

It does not matter who did what long ago... it only matters what happens now...

Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary will not get my vote.

Period.

I'll take Reagan's advice and vote with my feet...


168 posted on 01/07/2007 1:36:24 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: wagglebee

The problem with Ex-Wives is they remember EVERYTHING. Every tittle and jot. They have photographic memories. Shakespeare was right about women scorned.

Giuliani's problem is he was so flagrant about it...He publically humiliated his wife. Infidelity is one thing. Flagrant in your face ,public infidelity is another.
If Hannover wants to keep Giuliani on the tabloid front pages I'm sure she has a quiver full.


169 posted on 01/07/2007 1:36:49 PM PST by tomcorn
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To: Veto!
Anyone who cares about conservative or even middle-of-road values will disregard Giulliani's former wife because she was in the disgusting Broadway show, Vagina Monologues.

Who would marry a woman that would do "Vagina" anything?

170 posted on 01/07/2007 1:37:00 PM PST by LowOiL (Paul wrote, "Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil" (Rom. 12:9))
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To: McGavin999
I want someone in there who is going to stand up to the terrorists and make them quake in their boots.

And the majority of Americans just voted for the dems who promised to cut and run out of Iraq. Queen nancy is reveling in her plans to do just that.

171 posted on 01/07/2007 1:37:40 PM PST by tioga
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To: JCEccles

But there was a time when a divorced person such as Reagan could not have been elected, just as Catholics were out of the running prior to Kennedy. After Clinton, what can anyone say about infidelity, the media is showing a lot of hypocricy here. When we find the perfect candidate with all the morality and views some here wish for, he or she probably won't have the other qualities needed to reach the electorate or to lead if by some miracle there is a victory by the GOP in '08 with a currently unknown perfectly devoted husband/father/conservative.


172 posted on 01/07/2007 1:38:35 PM PST by BonnieJ
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To: Veto!
Anyone who cares about conservative or even middle-of-road values will disregard Giulliani's former wife because she was in the disgusting Broadway show, Vagina Monologues.

Of course, any real conservative won't even get that far because they will already know that Rudy is not a conservative in any sense of the word.

173 posted on 01/07/2007 1:39:14 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: LowOiL
Who would marry a woman that would do "Vagina" anything?

Opps, after three kids, I retract my previous statement as misleading.

174 posted on 01/07/2007 1:39:25 PM PST by LowOiL (Paul wrote, "Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil" (Rom. 12:9))
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To: paulat
Nope...Rudy was married to the liberal b@tch from Hell...the "Vagina Monologues" chick.

Yeah. Maybe he just got tired of all her cunning linguistics performances.
175 posted on 01/07/2007 1:42:56 PM PST by caveat emptor
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To: Clara Lou

I can't support someone who is a scum. Maybe you will lower yourself with that kind of rationale, I won't.


176 posted on 01/07/2007 1:43:08 PM PST by Fierce Allegiance (SAY NO TO RUDY!)
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To: OldFriend

What? Are you entitled to your own facts and version of history? What a stupid post.


177 posted on 01/07/2007 1:43:15 PM PST by streetpreacher (What if you're wrong?)
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To: EGPWS
And those who do can look at recent history and see that treating women like trash and lying about it can be a non-issue as a POTUS.

only if you're a 'rat

178 posted on 01/07/2007 1:43:48 PM PST by Freee-dame
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To: ErnBatavia
Married to a cousin??

Eleanor and Franklin Roosevelt come to mind. They were cousins too, twice removed I think.

179 posted on 01/07/2007 1:45:24 PM PST by onyx (DONATE NOW! -- It takes DONATIONS to keep FR running!!)
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To: BonnieJ
>>>>Why was everyone so willing to forgive Ronald Reagan...

First off, Hollywood of the 30`s, 40`s and 50`s wasn't the same Hollywood of today. Since the beginning of civil marriages, most divorces ahve been acrimonious. Until 1962, Reagan was a Democrat, a conservative Democrat! Finally, Patty and Ron Jr were the two Reagan children who didn't get along with their Father in their younger days. Maureen and Michael never had big problems with their Father.

Btw, Rudy Giuliani is no Ronald Reagan. The comparision is insulting to the legacy and memory of a great American.

180 posted on 01/07/2007 1:46:48 PM PST by Reagan Man (In 2007, its Conservatism versus Liberalism..... the choice is yours.)
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To: AmishDude

"OK, this is to all the boneheads who are going to push for a Tancredo or Hunter or anything else presidency: "

Most other elections you'd be right. But the four top guys are deeply flawed this time around, and the last time we ran a campaign picked by the country clubbers like yourself was with Bob Dole. Come to think of it, the 2006 mid terms were run by you guys too. Rules are meant to be broken.


181 posted on 01/07/2007 1:46:58 PM PST by FastCoyote
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To: JCEccles; BonnieJ
JCEccles wrote: "A man who cannot exercise the necessary self-discipline to be faithful to his wife and children cannot be trusted to be faithful in other things."

I freely admit that infidelity in a marriage is one of the few, absolute litmus tests I apply to discard political candidates running for high office. As you have expressed, I also believe it is a reliable indicator of overall strength of character.

I stopped listening to Bill Clinton on the campaign trail in 1992 after he appeared in the CBS 60 Minutes interview with Hillary and basically admitted to extramarital affairs without coming out and saying the words.

182 posted on 01/07/2007 1:50:36 PM PST by Unmarked Package (Amazing surprises await us under cover of a humble exterior.)
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To: Ramcat

Drama from Rudy's personal life isn't going to hurt him.

What can sink him, if Rudy isn't aggressive, is this. People like Rahm Emmanuel and Chris Lahane will probably try to take Giuliani's greatest advantage, 911, and turn it against him. People will support a scoundrel these days, but they are skeptical of heros.

If Giuliani is aggressive and goes out with a kick-ass attitude, that won't be a problem. If he looks like an incompetent, flatfooted politician like Bill Frist during the primary fight, well, he'll lose-- it would sound like Kerry droning on about how he served in Vietnam. Hopefully the Giuliani from the national convention shows up, and not the Giuliani who lost a 140-page document last week.

Trial by fire during the primary season is the only way to know. And unlike FR, most Republicans in 3D space want someone who can win.


183 posted on 01/07/2007 1:52:02 PM PST by JHBowden (President Giuliani in 2008! Law and Order. Solid Judges. Free Markets. Killing Terrorists.)
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To: BW2221

"It's simple. MSM loves Rudy because they know it's the best they can hope for. Imagine a race between Rudy and Hillary or Obama. There's no way liberals can lose ... or conservatives can win."

Ain't that the truth.


184 posted on 01/07/2007 1:52:55 PM PST by SmoothTalker
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To: wagglebee

Darwin at work.


185 posted on 01/07/2007 1:52:58 PM PST by School of Rational Thought (Republican - The thinking people's party)
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To: Reagan Man

Reagan was an FDR Democrat, a bigtime new dealer.


186 posted on 01/07/2007 1:53:07 PM PST by JHBowden (President Giuliani in 2008! Law and Order. Solid Judges. Free Markets. Killing Terrorists.)
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To: HawaiianGecko

OK, I am laughing really loud at your bumper sticker!


187 posted on 01/07/2007 1:56:33 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: UWconservative

If Rudy gets the nomination, the party will splinter. A lot of people will leave if a pro-gay, anti-gun, and anti-life lib is carrying the Republican banner. And many of them will be very hard to woo back.


188 posted on 01/07/2007 1:56:57 PM PST by SmoothTalker
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To: ansel12

Are you saying Newt was once a woman? ;)


189 posted on 01/07/2007 1:58:27 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: JCEccles
Giuliani has not demonstrated requisite emotional and moral stability and integrity.

You have GOT to be kidding. There is no man else that I would have wanted at the helm of 9/11!!!

I am glad that my vote renders yours impotent!!!

190 posted on 01/07/2007 1:58:32 PM PST by paulat
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To: Torie
No, I did remember Garfield, but I think we really have to start our analysis of presidential campaigns after the advent of radio, at the least.

I'm glad you asked for my prediction. First, there are a couple of candidates that have an outside shot, Thompson and Brownback. At least they have the resume, but don't really have support. I don't imagine anybody winning any primary other than those 5. I think even Newt won't win one.

My preference of the "Big Three" is Mitt. I think McCain is dangerous. He's (1) ancient, (2) mean and (3) insane. Rudy has far too many personality quirks that make me not want him in the presidency. He has this tendency to be unreasonably stubborn and to support people and ideas based on little evidence. (See Kerik) He will tend not to oppose whatever the latest cultural nonsense is and will not spend political capital on things like tax cuts and judges. I also think Mitt will be more appealing to conservatives than he appears now on this board.

I think McCain will win Iowa. He has a great organization and the caucus voters tend to respond to that sort of thing. And just judging by the behavior of Iowa voters, I think that they prefer stability.

Mitt is likely to win NH based on the fact that he's known in the region and NH voters go against conventional wisdom. At that point, Rudy's donations will dry up. The question is, can McCain repair enough burned bridges and cover his problems with age and rage to win? Will Romney be unable to wrest it from him?

I just don't see how Rudy can win many primaries. He doesn't have a broad organization and he doesn't appeal to doctrinaire conservatives. He does have name recognition now, and Mitt will have to work hard overcoming that deficiency.

It's hard to predict now, but unless McCain stumbles or has medical problems, I don't see how he will fail to win.

Unfortunately.
191 posted on 01/07/2007 1:59:58 PM PST by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for. It matters who takes office.)
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To: JHBowden
>>>>Reagan was an FDR Democrat, a bigtime new dealer.

So what. Reagan even called himself a liberal Democrat in the 1930`s. With the outbreak of WWII, that began to change. By 1952, Reagan voted for Eisenehower and the rest is history.

OTOH, Rudy Giuliani was born a liberal, and will die a liberal. He can call himself a Republican. As with most conservatives, he won't ever get my vote. Not now, not ever!

192 posted on 01/07/2007 2:00:24 PM PST by Reagan Man (In 2007, its Conservatism versus Liberalism..... the choice is yours.)
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To: JHBowden
Drama from Rudy's personal life isn't going to hurt him.

Possibly, but pictures of Rudy strutting around as a drag queen, e.g., the cover of National Review a few months ago, most certainly will.

193 posted on 01/07/2007 2:00:28 PM PST by teawithmisswilliams (Basta, already!)
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To: JHBowden
Reagan was an FDR Democrat, a bigtime new dealer.

As evidenced by the growth of social welfare programs while he was governor.

194 posted on 01/07/2007 2:01:08 PM PST by Dolphy
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To: TommyDale
A smear is an exaggeration or untruth. The facts are the facts. If these facts hurt Giuliani, he deserves them as a result of his own actions.

Excellent points, TD. Giuliani is an imposition on the body politic in an effort to dramatically change the values system upon which our republic was built.

Rudy is the linchpin in The Plan to takeover the Repub party and ditch all us pesty social conservatives. Now The Plan to dislodge the conservative GOP power base ignorantly depends on the false assumption that conservatives are going to roll over and play dead. Fat chance. Repubs cannot---and will not---win without social conservatives.

Here's The Plan straight from the horse's mouth, conhead guru Irving Kristol (Fox pundit Billy Kristol's father, who are avid Rudy backers): "The historical task and political purpose of neoconservatism would seem to be.....to convert the Republican Party and American conservatism in general, against their respective wills, into a new kind of conservative politics suitable to governing a modern democracy."

Oh yeah, that idea worked really well elsewhere (/sarc). Luckily, professional help for that dictator fixation of his is available.

195 posted on 01/07/2007 2:01:08 PM PST by Liz (Nearly all men can stand adversity, but to test a man's character, give him power. Abe Lincoln)
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To: FastCoyote

Country clubber?

If only.


196 posted on 01/07/2007 2:01:36 PM PST by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for. It matters who takes office.)
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To: McGavin999

Second cousins only share about 6% of the same genetics. I don't think that is great, but it's not really like first cousins, who would share over 10%.


197 posted on 01/07/2007 2:05:17 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

It is the soldier who takes orders.

And when he gives orders, he receives salutes, not opposition.

It isn't a matter of what he risks. And after Kerry, Webb, Murtha, etc. I have no patience for people who use military service as a shield from criticism or as some sort of indicator of every variety of intellectual prowess.


198 posted on 01/07/2007 2:05:40 PM PST by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for. It matters who takes office.)
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To: AmishDude
Good analysis. I think the big three each have about as much chance as the other. The standard deviation out there is high, very high. I give Thompson and Brownback a zero chance. Have you ever heard Brownback speak?
199 posted on 01/07/2007 2:07:57 PM PST by Torie
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
It does not matter who did what long ago... it only matters what happens now...

Does that apply to Duncan Hunter's military service?

200 posted on 01/07/2007 2:07:58 PM PST by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for. It matters who takes office.)
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