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Giuliani fears ex-wife will hit presidential bid
London Times ^ | 1/7/07 | London Times

Posted on 01/07/2007 11:46:24 AM PST by wagglebee

THERE is one woman who could cause Rudy Giuliani, the former New York mayor, more problems than Hillary Clinton in the race for the White House: she is Donna Hanover, his second wife, writes Sarah Baxter.

Hanover, an actress and broadcaster, was enraged by Giuliani’s flagrant infidelity towards the end of their 18-year marriage and the divorce case was vicious. Giuliani’s advisers fear that she could be a loose cannon in the 2008 campaign.

Giuliani was acclaimed as the “mayor of America” for his heroic role during the attacks on September 11, 2001 and is revered for his leadership. At the time he was living in the spare room of an apartment belonging to gay friends after Hanover forced him out of Gracie Mansion, the official residence.

Hanover refused to confirm that she would vote for Giuliani as mayor of New York even when she was married to him. “What kind of wife is that?” Raoul Felder, Giuliani’s lawyer, fumed. “She’s essentially saying she’s not going to vote for him.”

Hanover once stood outside a shower at Gracie Mansion, expecting to confront Judith Nathan, Giuliani’s mistress, now his third wife. In the event, a startled golfing friend of Giuliani’s emerged.

Hanover was also accused of a lack of sympathy while the former mayor was battling prostate cancer, by banishing him to a spare bedroom and exercising noisily on a treadmill at 5am.

New Yorkers relished the details of Giuliani’s larger-than-life personal story. But conservative “values voters” could be different, as Giuliani’s own aides noted in a 140-page memo leaked last week by supporters of a rival candidate.

The campaign dossier suggested that Hanover could be one of several potentially “insurmountable” vulnerabilities that could cause him to drop out of the race. It was an embarrassing start to a campaign that is not yet officially under way.

Giuliani’s record in fighting crime and terrorism has placed him at the top of several polls for the 2008 Republican nomination, edging out Senator John McCain in popular support. But the party base may be turned off by his support for abortion, immigration, gun control and gay rights (although not gay marriage). It is their votes that he needs to secure the nomination.

“It would be one thing if Giuliani could say, ‘I’m a strong social conservative in my private life’, but he can’t even say that,” said Ramesh Ponnuru, a conservative commentator and author of The Party of Death, an attack on social liberalism. “It’s not just the fact of his multiple marriages, it is the way the Hanover marriage melted down. It was operatic.”

When Giuliani met Hanover on a blind date in the early 1980s, his first marriage to Regina, his second cousin, was already over. Hanover, who went on to appear in the television series Ally McBeal, was a glamorous soulmate who seemed to enjoy the spotlight as much as he did.

They had two children, Andrew, 21, and Caroline, 17, but in 1996 Hanover stopped calling herself by his last name and a year later Vanity Fair magazine said that he was having an “intimate relationship” with a senior member of his staff.

In 2000, without telling Hanover first, Giuliani announced at a press conference that he was separating from her. She retaliated by accusing him of being unfaithful with the employee, but he was already with Nathan.

Maggie Gallagher, a family values campaigner, was outraged by Giuliani’s “scummy” performance, accusing him of making Bill Clinton “look good as a husband and father”.

New Yorkers learnt during the divorce case that their cancer- afflicted mayor was temporarily impotent and Hanover demanded a huge settlement, including £760 a month to care for Goalie, the family’s golden retriever.

Felder struck back, accusing Hanover of being an “uncaring mother” who was “howling like a stuck pig”.

In the end Giuliani, who was beginning to earn big consultancy fees after September 11, agreed to a settlement of $6.8m to avoid the full horror of a court case.

Hanover has married Ed Oster, her university sweetheart, and written a book, My Boyfriend’s Back, about rekindling an old romance. Even if she stays mum, there is enough in the public domain to rattle conservatives. Yet however vicious the personal attacks on Giuliani, they are unlikely to dent his reputation for competence. He did, after all, handle the September 11 attacks while bunking with gay friends in the midst of an affair and a divorce battle.


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008election; corrupt; donnahanover; exwife; giuliani; hitpiece; letch; nothanksrudy; rino; toomanywives
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To: TommyDale
*****I keep reading that here on FR, but I cannot find any reference to his position on national defense. He has never commanded an army. *****

shuuuush. You're not supposed to say that. He told Arafat to get out of town and a Sheiek to shove $10 million - that's enough. :-)

*****The guy is a gun confiscationist, anti 2nd Amendment. What makes anyone trust him with the U.S. Armed Services?****

Now stop it. Gun grabbing is sign of 'toughness' and national defense expertise. Why the first thing he'll do is just take the Terrorists guns away by a U.N. resolution - that'll show those guys like Mullah Omar!

201 posted on 01/07/2007 2:08:02 PM PST by Condor51 (An intellectual is a man who doesn't know how to park a bike.)
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To: AmishDude

Well per another thread, sperm banks want both of us. :)


202 posted on 01/07/2007 2:09:23 PM PST by Torie
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To: Clara Lou

"Let me in on what's wrong or illegal or unseemly about marrying a 2nd cousin. I've forgotten."

You cannot seriously say you do not see any humor value in this fact?

I mean, jokes like "What is the difference between a sophisticated NY Mayor, presidential candidate and a West Virginia trailer park....." practically write themselves.


203 posted on 01/07/2007 2:10:48 PM PST by RFEngineer
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To: paulat
There is no man else that I would have wanted at the helm of 9/11!!!

I thought Donald Rumsfeld did 1000 times the job anyone could have done that day...

204 posted on 01/07/2007 2:11:13 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: AmishDude

Does the man who bleeds on the battlefield risk any less???


205 posted on 01/07/2007 2:12:03 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Condor51

People who live in New York City talk about his cleaning up the city, making it safe and what a difference there is now from how far it had deteriorated prior to Rudy. If that's his version gun-grabbing, it's not a bad thing. He went after the mob and criminals and corruption.


206 posted on 01/07/2007 2:13:08 PM PST by BonnieJ
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To: wagglebee
I guess Rudy is DOA for the Presidental campaign.

Republicans do not tolerate candidates with that kind of personal flaw.

And MSM wouldn't ignore it either.

207 posted on 01/07/2007 2:14:16 PM PST by MinorityRepublican (Everyone that doesn't like what America and President Bush has done for Iraq can all go to HELL)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
I thought Donald Rumsfeld did 1000 times the job anyone could have done that day...

Then we disagree.

208 posted on 01/07/2007 2:14:18 PM PST by paulat
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To: jimbo123

Donna & Ed Oster

Oster, a lawyer with three grown daughters

Hanover, a journalist and actress who hosts a syndicated television show, with acting credits on television shows such as "Law & Order" and the movie "The People vs. Larry Flynt."

They currently have a bi-coastal marriage, with Hanover living in New York, where her children attend school, and Oster in Newport Beach, Calif., where his practice is.

They see each other every week. Either she flies to Newport Beach or he flies to New York City.

209 posted on 01/07/2007 2:14:47 PM PST by kcvl
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To: McGavin999

"Yeah, that whole wife dying of cancer while you're off having an affair was pretty messy."





She had cancer, but she wasn't dying, I think she is still around.


210 posted on 01/07/2007 2:15:19 PM PST by ansel12 (America, love it ,or at least give up your home citizenship before accepting ours too.)
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To: AmishDude
It is the soldier who takes orders.

It has always been my experience to just kill the enemy and worry about my orders later...

211 posted on 01/07/2007 2:16:54 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: paulat
Then we disagree.

Of course, you know so little about it... symbolism over substance...

212 posted on 01/07/2007 2:19:21 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Torie
The standard deviation out there is high, very high.

Oooh. I like that kind of talk.

I give Thompson and Brownback a zero chance. Have you ever heard Brownback speak?

I'm just counting those who could win at least one primary. I want to emphasize how useless a Hunter or Tancredo run is. I can't say I've had the pleasure of a Brownback speech. I do doubt he has a chance of winning the nomination.

213 posted on 01/07/2007 2:19:26 PM PST by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for. It matters who takes office.)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
you know so little about it... symbolism over substance...

I would not stoop so low as to insult someone I disagreed with. Apparently, you do not take that route.

As I expected....

214 posted on 01/07/2007 2:21:13 PM PST by paulat
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To: Torie
Well per another thread, sperm banks want both of us. :)

I'm saving myself for marriage.

Not for mine, of course, I want in on some of that desperate housewife action.

215 posted on 01/07/2007 2:22:00 PM PST by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for. It matters who takes office.)
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To: wagglebee
I don't care how well he scores in the national polls. He's unelectable within the party. We owe him something for the great job he did on 9-11. I believe that fate had destined him to be the Mayor that day and that was one of the reasons why the timing of his health issues made it impossible to run against Hillary the first time.

However, he should have run against Hillary for her in '06 or perhaps take on Schumer. The Senate is the highest he is going to be able to achieve unless he's willing to accept a VP seat.

216 posted on 01/07/2007 2:22:09 PM PST by MHT
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To: kcvl
They see each other every week. Either she flies to Newport Beach or he flies to New York City.

Have they purchased enough carbon offsets to mitigate their air pollution???

217 posted on 01/07/2007 2:22:57 PM PST by paulat
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To: BonnieJ

My 2nd Amendment and other constitutional rights do not end at the New York city limits, no matter who the mayor is...


218 posted on 01/07/2007 2:23:14 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: patton

as the title for my next story? :)


219 posted on 01/07/2007 2:23:21 PM PST by leda (The quiet girl on the stairs.)
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To: kcvl
Hanover, a journalist and actress

"I coulda been an actor, but I wound up here." -- Don Henley, Dirty Laundry

220 posted on 01/07/2007 2:24:41 PM PST by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for. It matters who takes office.)
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To: ansel12

But she didn't know that at the time, nor did he.


221 posted on 01/07/2007 2:25:31 PM PST by McGavin999 (Don't be a Freeploader, contribute to the upkeep of FreeRepublic)
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To: wagglebee

It's a good thing Rudy didn't rape & bite the lip of a woman, otherwise he'd be a shoo-in for the Presidency.


222 posted on 01/07/2007 2:26:17 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Why can't Republicans stand up to Democrats like they do to terrorists?)
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To: paulat
I would not stoop so low as to insult someone I disagreed with.

Was any planning for evacuation made after the first terrorist attack on the World Trade Center?

Why were the emergency response protocols not followed after the Sept. 11 attacks? It could have saved a lot of lives in New York.

I have worked extensively in first responder situations and a lot of people died needlessly.

"Leadership" my big black behind...

223 posted on 01/07/2007 2:29:44 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: RFEngineer

I didn't ask anything about "humor." I haven't mentioned "humor." If you think it's funny, that's fine. No harm in jokes. I simply didn't find that Rudy had done anything illegal or morally wrong--contrary to a number of people on this thread.


224 posted on 01/07/2007 2:30:31 PM PST by Clara Lou
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To: BonnieJ
****People who live in New York City talk about his cleaning up the city, making it safe and what a difference there is now from how far it had deteriorated prior to Rudy. If that's his version gun-grabbing, it's not a bad thing.****

No thats' not it.

Rudy's firm belief is that the 2nd Amendment is NOT and Individual Right but a 'state right'. It has zero to do with crime.

In addition, Rudy was on C-SPAN about a week ago (maybe two now) ranting and raving about "people buying guns" and that Congress should pass a Federal law that ALL firearms owners be Licensed By The Federal Government. That little proposition is Unconstitutional on its face. For one Congress does not have the power or authority to do that.

Rudy hates guns period. He won't even bother to hide behind the 'hunting' canard like gun grabbing Dems. He wants all guns outlawed - period. Heck, John Kerry is more pro gun than Rudy.

And THAT is b-a-d thing.

225 posted on 01/07/2007 2:31:04 PM PST by Condor51 (An intellectual is a man who doesn't know how to park a bike.)
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To: MHT
The Senate is the highest he is going to be able to achieve unless he's willing to accept a VP seat.

The ONLY WAY Rudy would even get the VP spot is if he could swing NY to the GOP and that only happens if Hitlery isn't the 'Rat nominee.

226 posted on 01/07/2007 2:31:11 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: KantianBurke; UWconservative

What kind of a mother does a play about her genital!

Donna Hanover - Hanover scandalized some portions of the nation by accepting the lead role in Eve Ensler's controversial play The Vagina Monologues. ...
http://www.thenation.com/docprint.mhtml?i=20010305&s=pollitt

Part of the reason she did this to hurt him but what about her children? knowing their mother is shameless!

Why can't some of you folks who would not vote for him as president because of issues, at least give credit where it is due and recognized the things he did do under extream times I say Bless the man not curse him.

his marriage as on the rocks way before he serperated from her and she hung around until his term was ending what a true femenist Witch!

What happen to love for better or for worst or in sickness and in health.

She was the worst and when he was sick!

Some people really love the person when they marry, some marry for opportunities and bail when the going gets ruff!

I really like Guiliani but I would not vote for him as president if he got a cabinet calling I would support it!


227 posted on 01/07/2007 2:32:27 PM PST by restornu (Teach them correct principals and let them govern themselves ~ Joseph Smith)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
It's a good thing Rudy didn't rape & bite the lip of a woman, otherwise he'd be a shoo-in for the Presidency.

Mike Tyson could be too, he actually bit an ear off... and he can actually throw a punch, unlike a lot of these girly men who dress up like women...

228 posted on 01/07/2007 2:32:33 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: UWconservative

"I would never marry one of my second cousins. It means our great grandparents were the same"

And the family tree would resemble a bonsai.


229 posted on 01/07/2007 2:33:11 PM PST by soupcon
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To: restornu

Too bad. Marriage is serious business. In my religion it is sanctioned by God. It's one thing for man to flout God's law and beat his wife, or harm his children. In that case an annulment can be considered.

But divorce because she wasn't what you expected? Or because she's a liberal? No way.


230 posted on 01/07/2007 2:36:37 PM PST by UWconservative
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
"Leadership" my big black behind...

Then, I go back to, "We disagree."

231 posted on 01/07/2007 2:36:45 PM PST by paulat
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
I don't care if Rudy had sex with a goat.

Conservatives need to leave the social issues ALONE. That's right, stop pontificating about moral values for once and start cutting taxes, fighting a real war on terror, and limiting the size of government. When these are taking care of, the social issues will take care of themselves.

If Guiliani or Romney chooses a strong VP selection such as Pence, Brownback, or Hunter (and let's face it, these guys are all angling for a VP slot because there's simply no way in Hell they're going to get nominated), then I have no problem voting for Guiliani or Romney.

232 posted on 01/07/2007 2:36:56 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Why can't Republicans stand up to Democrats like they do to terrorists?)
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To: wagglebee
I don't either. He did a great job of keeping up the spirits in NYC after 9/11, but I'm not sure how difficult that actually was (immediately after a disaster, people's natural response is to unify, but it usually doesn't last and it didn't in NYC).

The good people unified and the snakes kept still until they could surface again!

BTW were here did you live through this in NYC?

233 posted on 01/07/2007 2:37:39 PM PST by restornu (Teach them correct principals and let them govern themselves ~ Joseph Smith)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

The Second Amendment is not a social issue...


234 posted on 01/07/2007 2:38:18 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: VictoryGal

I would agree. However, I've heard several stories as far as the reasoning. One suggests SHE asked to have the papers served to her there.


235 posted on 01/07/2007 2:40:12 PM PST by RockinRight (To compare Congress to drunken sailors is an insult to drunken sailors. - Ronald W. Reagan)
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To: restornu
The good people unified and the snakes kept still until they could surface again!

Which gave the appearance of unity. Bush enjoyed the same thing from Congress, immediately after 9/11 the 'Rats "stood behind him" but as soon as the emotions died down they were talking appeasement.

236 posted on 01/07/2007 2:40:50 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Illegal immigration is not a social issue...


237 posted on 01/07/2007 2:40:54 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: paulat
Then, I go back to, "We disagree."

Good luck in the Democrat primary...

238 posted on 01/07/2007 2:42:10 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: wagglebee

"Heaven has no rage like love to hatred turned, Nor hell a fury like a woman scorned" - William Congreve


239 posted on 01/07/2007 2:43:38 PM PST by P.O.E.
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To: Polybius
Guess what Eleanor Roosevelt's maiden name was.

FDR was her 5th cousin. Not exactly close.

240 posted on 01/07/2007 2:44:46 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: Yaelle

LOL, No but I do think of John Edwards in that way.


241 posted on 01/07/2007 2:44:51 PM PST by ansel12 (America, love it ,or at least give up your home citizenship before accepting ours too.)
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To: AmishDude

I agree with you that Rudy has to win NH to stay alive. I suspect he is the favorite there, certainly not Mitt, and probably not McCain, although a NH poll would be nice. The campaign will sort things out in a hurry.


242 posted on 01/07/2007 2:45:29 PM PST by Torie
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To: Torie

He was tied with McCain in N.H. in a recent poll we had posted on the F.R.


243 posted on 01/07/2007 2:46:52 PM PST by BonnieJ
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To: wagglebee
Giuliani’s advisers fear that she could be a loose cannon in the 2008 campaign.

Nothing a little "New Yorkancide" might fix, eh Rudy......?

244 posted on 01/07/2007 2:47:16 PM PST by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

Illegal immigration may not be a signature social issue, like gay marriage or abortion, or creationism, or prayer in schools, but it sort of is. Illegal immigration is certainly a class issue - at least it cuts that way. Ditto the Second Amendment. I view both as hybrids in that sense.


245 posted on 01/07/2007 2:48:26 PM PST by Torie
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To: BonnieJ

Thank you. Where was Mitt in NH? If you have a link, that would be helpful to this thread. Thanks.


246 posted on 01/07/2007 2:49:06 PM PST by Torie
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To: UWconservative
But divorce because she wasn't what you expected? Or because she's a liberal? No way.

After all said and done she married him for opportunties not out of love!

247 posted on 01/07/2007 2:50:27 PM PST by restornu (Teach them correct principals and let them govern themselves ~ Joseph Smith)
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To: UWconservative
But divorce because she wasn't what you expected? Or because she's a liberal? No way.

After all said and done she married him for opportunties not out of love!

248 posted on 01/07/2007 2:50:28 PM PST by restornu (Teach them correct principals and let them govern themselves ~ Joseph Smith)
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To: paulat
I agree with you, paulat.

I also read that when he married his cousin, he didn't know they were as closely related as it turned out, he thought she was his third cousin, and he had that marriage anulled before he married Hanover. IMO Hanover left him emotionally long before he left her.

249 posted on 01/07/2007 2:50:36 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: wagglebee


This is the phrase that s Rudy:

"Giuliani’s record in fighting crime and terrorism has placed him at the top of several polls for the 2008 Republican nomination, edging out Senator John McCain in popular support. But the party base may be turned off by his support for abortion, immigration, gun control and gay rights (although not gay marriage). It is their votes that he needs to secure the nomination."

I'm sorry, but all of the other stuff is simply very hilariously gruesome and sort of a "Desperate Housewivish" comes to Gracie Mansion.

she even wanted child support for the golden retriever..

Now that is just plain funny.


250 posted on 01/07/2007 2:51:06 PM PST by padre35 (We are surrounded, that simplifies our problem Chesty Puller)
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