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Giuliani fears ex-wife will hit presidential bid
London Times ^ | 1/7/07 | London Times

Posted on 01/07/2007 11:46:24 AM PST by wagglebee

THERE is one woman who could cause Rudy Giuliani, the former New York mayor, more problems than Hillary Clinton in the race for the White House: she is Donna Hanover, his second wife, writes Sarah Baxter.

Hanover, an actress and broadcaster, was enraged by Giuliani’s flagrant infidelity towards the end of their 18-year marriage and the divorce case was vicious. Giuliani’s advisers fear that she could be a loose cannon in the 2008 campaign.

Giuliani was acclaimed as the “mayor of America” for his heroic role during the attacks on September 11, 2001 and is revered for his leadership. At the time he was living in the spare room of an apartment belonging to gay friends after Hanover forced him out of Gracie Mansion, the official residence.

Hanover refused to confirm that she would vote for Giuliani as mayor of New York even when she was married to him. “What kind of wife is that?” Raoul Felder, Giuliani’s lawyer, fumed. “She’s essentially saying she’s not going to vote for him.”

Hanover once stood outside a shower at Gracie Mansion, expecting to confront Judith Nathan, Giuliani’s mistress, now his third wife. In the event, a startled golfing friend of Giuliani’s emerged.

Hanover was also accused of a lack of sympathy while the former mayor was battling prostate cancer, by banishing him to a spare bedroom and exercising noisily on a treadmill at 5am.

New Yorkers relished the details of Giuliani’s larger-than-life personal story. But conservative “values voters” could be different, as Giuliani’s own aides noted in a 140-page memo leaked last week by supporters of a rival candidate.

The campaign dossier suggested that Hanover could be one of several potentially “insurmountable” vulnerabilities that could cause him to drop out of the race. It was an embarrassing start to a campaign that is not yet officially under way.

Giuliani’s record in fighting crime and terrorism has placed him at the top of several polls for the 2008 Republican nomination, edging out Senator John McCain in popular support. But the party base may be turned off by his support for abortion, immigration, gun control and gay rights (although not gay marriage). It is their votes that he needs to secure the nomination.

“It would be one thing if Giuliani could say, ‘I’m a strong social conservative in my private life’, but he can’t even say that,” said Ramesh Ponnuru, a conservative commentator and author of The Party of Death, an attack on social liberalism. “It’s not just the fact of his multiple marriages, it is the way the Hanover marriage melted down. It was operatic.”

When Giuliani met Hanover on a blind date in the early 1980s, his first marriage to Regina, his second cousin, was already over. Hanover, who went on to appear in the television series Ally McBeal, was a glamorous soulmate who seemed to enjoy the spotlight as much as he did.

They had two children, Andrew, 21, and Caroline, 17, but in 1996 Hanover stopped calling herself by his last name and a year later Vanity Fair magazine said that he was having an “intimate relationship” with a senior member of his staff.

In 2000, without telling Hanover first, Giuliani announced at a press conference that he was separating from her. She retaliated by accusing him of being unfaithful with the employee, but he was already with Nathan.

Maggie Gallagher, a family values campaigner, was outraged by Giuliani’s “scummy” performance, accusing him of making Bill Clinton “look good as a husband and father”.

New Yorkers learnt during the divorce case that their cancer- afflicted mayor was temporarily impotent and Hanover demanded a huge settlement, including £760 a month to care for Goalie, the family’s golden retriever.

Felder struck back, accusing Hanover of being an “uncaring mother” who was “howling like a stuck pig”.

In the end Giuliani, who was beginning to earn big consultancy fees after September 11, agreed to a settlement of $6.8m to avoid the full horror of a court case.

Hanover has married Ed Oster, her university sweetheart, and written a book, My Boyfriend’s Back, about rekindling an old romance. Even if she stays mum, there is enough in the public domain to rattle conservatives. Yet however vicious the personal attacks on Giuliani, they are unlikely to dent his reputation for competence. He did, after all, handle the September 11 attacks while bunking with gay friends in the midst of an affair and a divorce battle.


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KEYWORDS: 2008election; corrupt; donnahanover; exwife; giuliani; hitpiece; letch; nothanksrudy; rino; toomanywives
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To: patriciamary
But you can't think of winning without the conservative vote and McCain has a better chance of carrying that than does Rudy. McCain is from the fastest growing state in the Union, he's a vet, and he's made an overt outreach to the most conservative segments of the party. He's been through the primary system before and has a base in all those states.

Rudy is unabashedly liberal on gay marriage and all-phase abortion. Not only is the ex-wife a liability, so is the current one. She's nice, but she's not up to the task of countrywide campaigning, much like Therese Kerry was not a helpmate.

301 posted on 01/07/2007 3:47:04 PM PST by MHT
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
I don't live in California anymore...

And there you have it.

302 posted on 01/07/2007 3:47:43 PM PST by Torie
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To: wagglebee

And .. Hillary will be standing in the wings handing her money to make Rudy's life miserable.

I would never put it past Hillary to try this game .. especially since Rudy is one of her highest rated opponents which I'm sure she would like to vanquish.

And .. Hillary might get a little help from McCain - so he would become the top dog for the GOP nomination.

This is the part of politics I hate the most.


303 posted on 01/07/2007 3:50:13 PM PST by CyberAnt (Drive-By Media: Fake news, fake documents, fake polls)
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To: wagglebee
I don't understand why you say he'd be a "great wartime president".
He is totally lacking of military experience or knowledge.

Mcinsane and Hillary! (TM USmedia) both are better qualified than he in this particular regard.

304 posted on 01/07/2007 3:54:41 PM PST by mrsmith
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To: mrsmith

" Mcinsane and Hillary! (TM USmedia) both are better qualified than he in this particular regard."

What about John Kerry? He has three purple hearts, you know. Did you know Kerry fought in Vietnam? /s


305 posted on 01/07/2007 3:56:03 PM PST by JHBowden (President Giuliani in 2008! Law and Order. Solid Judges. Free Markets. Killing Terrorists.)
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To: AmishDude

Do you believe Rudy lived with a Gay couple?


306 posted on 01/07/2007 3:56:56 PM PST by trumandogz (Rudy G 2008: The "G" Stands For Gun Grabbing & Gay Lovin.)
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To: Yaelle
"Reagan was an FDR Democrat, a bigtime new dealer."

Boy, are you reaching. You're talking 1930s and 1940s.
307 posted on 01/07/2007 3:57:23 PM PST by BW2221
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To: Clara Lou

"I didn't ask anything about "humor." I haven't mentioned "humor." If you think it's funny, that's fine. No harm in jokes. I simply didn't find that Rudy had done anything illegal or morally wrong--contrary to a number of people on this thread."

Well, don't you find it funny that Rudy goes to family reunions to pick up chicks?


308 posted on 01/07/2007 3:58:27 PM PST by RFEngineer
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To: surrey

Well....Rudy's judgement was real flawed about his girlfriend. Bringing her to Gracie Mansion with his wife and kids in residence is a big no-no. Clinton was a scumbag in the marital department too. And we rightfully blasted him for it. We'll have a real problem trying to excuse Rudy in the face of Clinton's behavior.


309 posted on 01/07/2007 4:03:41 PM PST by tomcorn
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To: JHBowden

I suggest Rudy supporters just lie and say he commanded the NY City national guard...


310 posted on 01/07/2007 4:04:55 PM PST by mrsmith
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To: AmishDude
"I give Thompson and Brownback a zero chance. Have you ever heard Brownback speak?"

Have you ever heard George Bush speak?
311 posted on 01/07/2007 4:05:22 PM PST by BW2221
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To: wagglebee

I'd vote for Rudy


312 posted on 01/07/2007 4:06:35 PM PST by firewalk
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To: RockinRight

> I would agree. However, I've heard several stories as far as the reasoning. One suggests SHE asked to have the papers served to her there.

The operative facts are that Newt was a philandering POS who chose to divorce the mother of his children while she was in the midst of fighting cancer.

Liberal or conservative, it is awfully scummy behavior, and I would never trust anyone who exhibited such a callous disregard for plain human decency.


313 posted on 01/07/2007 4:09:21 PM PST by VictoryGal (Never give up, never surrender!)
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To: SDGOP

Agree, no need to bring up the personal details about Ronald Reagan.

I think the larger point is that men are mortals, and have shortcomings and weaknesses. It is only when the weaknesses and shortcomings outweigh the strengths and the positives, and when they interfere with the job he is doing, that they become important to me.

Case in point. Bill Clinton and his WINO. Moral bankrupcy and total corruption. If he were faithful to his wife, would it make him any less venal or corrupt? Screwing the country is a lot worse than screwing another woman.


314 posted on 01/07/2007 4:09:45 PM PST by Cincinna (HILLARY & HER HINO " We are going to take things away from you for the Common Good ")
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To: All

I wasn't here at the F.R. during the 2000 primaries but I would imagine it was as divided then as it is now. It sure was during the Arnold vs. McClintock CA recall era a few years ago. Somehow out of both of those, Republicans managed to win.


315 posted on 01/07/2007 4:10:13 PM PST by BonnieJ
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To: marajade

Last time I checked, FR was a CONSERVATIVE forum, not withstanding the fact that there seem to be a lot of libertarians and RINOs here.


316 posted on 01/07/2007 4:10:41 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Torie

"Illegal immigration may not be a signature social issue, like gay marriage or abortion, or creationism, or prayer in schools, but it sort of is."

Is there anything you don't consider a "social issue?"


317 posted on 01/07/2007 4:11:34 PM PST by BW2221
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To: BW2221

Yes, but frankly, George Bush isn't boring. Brownback....major yawn and he's even boring looking. Sorry, he won't play well in the big cities and I doubt the little ones, either.


318 posted on 01/07/2007 4:12:02 PM PST by surrey
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

"I don't care if Rudy had sex with a goat."

I would and the vast majority would precisely because it would go to the core of his character.

"Conservatives need to leave the social issues ALONE. That's right, stop pontificating about moral values for once and start cutting taxes, fighting a real war on terror, and limiting the size of government. When these are taking care of, the social issues will take care of themselves."

That's not sound conservative thought. That's libertarianism.


319 posted on 01/07/2007 4:15:00 PM PST by Norman Bates (President Ford )
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To: patriciamary

"I believe in the long run republicans will support Rudy over McCain .McCain and Hillary are the same."

That's because their stand on so many issues is the same.


320 posted on 01/07/2007 4:20:17 PM PST by BW2221
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To: BW2221

Foreign policy, defense, the amount of taxes, spending, the role of the courts, educational policy, medical subsidies, tax structures, social security structures, entitlements, land use, trade issues, protectionism, tort lawyers, and tort law, and the environment, come to mind, off the top of my head, as issues that are very tangential from social issues, that divide and anger and annoy, as social issues, qua social issues.


321 posted on 01/07/2007 4:22:03 PM PST by Torie
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To: muleskinner
"The length of this thread (and all Rudy threads) indicate how deeply divided Republicans are on Rudy.

No, just here in FReeperville."

I meant Republicans, not conservatives. Most conservatives don't want Rudy.
322 posted on 01/07/2007 4:23:30 PM PST by BW2221
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To: Norman Bates
As OJ said "If you're gonna play, you're gonna pay."

Leni

323 posted on 01/07/2007 4:24:38 PM PST by MinuteGal (The Left takes power only through deception.)
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To: Torie

I have ignored certain libertarian issues, such as drug policy, the Patriot Act, etc, that are also not really social issues, as commonly referred to. And then there are the globalist issues, and the the federal reserve issues, and fiat currency, for the nutters out there - also beyond the sane zone of social issue concerns.


324 posted on 01/07/2007 4:24:51 PM PST by Torie
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To: McGavin999

Any source.


325 posted on 01/07/2007 4:29:17 PM PST by ansel12 (America, love it ,or at least give up your home citizenship before accepting ours too.)
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To: wagglebee

Just a reminder: Free Republic is a conservative site
Posted on 04/11/2006 by Jim Robinson

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We fight on. We hold the majority. We continue working as hard as we possibly can to elect as many conservatives as we possibly can. We build a conservative majority that can overcome the Democrats and the RINOs.

We do not willingly give up any seats to Democrats. We add seats. Preferably, conservative seats. I would also like to remind everyone, that Free Republic does not condone racism and does not advocate violence. We exercise our first amendment rights to free speech and peaceable assembly. We do not condemn people because of their race, religion, ethnicity, skin color, etc. We do not advocate civil war, anarchy, or an overthrow of the government.

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We do not appreciate the mainstream media's attempts to destroy America's will to fight and we do not do anything to assist the Democrats and their accomplices in the media in their treasonous mission of undermining the war effort by providing aid and comfort to the enemy.

I'll list a few issues (by no means and exhaustive list) that will be adversely affected by Marxist/Democrats in power:

The Supreme Court

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The legislative agenda

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Do not get so discouraged that we give it all up. It could take generations to get it back. If ever. "Securing the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity" is our duty.


326 posted on 01/07/2007 4:29:17 PM PST by Liz (Nearly all men can stand adversity, but to test a man's character, give him power. Abe Lincoln)
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To: Liz; marajade

I was responding to a FReeper who replied, "so what?" when I said that Giuliani IS NOT a conservative.


327 posted on 01/07/2007 4:32:52 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Liz

Rudy is conservative on many issues.
Instead of always trying to whip up an anti-Rudy duststorm, why don't you see what Rudy is actually on the record stating like

* will appoint judges in the mold of Scalia and Roberts.
* is against gay marriage
* supports charter schools and free choice in education
* supports smaller government and lower taxes.
* totally supports freedom of religion, and is against public funding of anti-religion. ( Brooklyn Museum )
* totally supports private property rights.

For the rest, why don't you wait and see what Rudy actually believes in and what he says. Right now you are just repeating the same crap over and over without verifying it.


328 posted on 01/07/2007 4:41:58 PM PST by Cincinna (HILLARY & HER HINO " We are going to take things away from you for the Common Good ")
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
The Second Amendment is not a social issue...

You honestly believe Rudy will repeal the 2nd Amendment or push for more gun control laws?

The 2nd Amendment survived the Clinton & Carter years, didn't it?

You are being myopic.

329 posted on 01/07/2007 4:43:01 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Why can't Republicans stand up to Democrats like they do to terrorists?)
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To: SuziQ

Well she was on Broadway, a play about a part of her lower anatomy that talks to itself IIRC.


330 posted on 01/07/2007 4:43:35 PM PST by printhead
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To: BW2221
Most conservatives don't want Rudy.

I'm SO glad my vote cancels out yours!!!

331 posted on 01/07/2007 4:44:11 PM PST by paulat
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To: SuziQ

And does anybody remember when Donna Hanover tried to make it on the Food Network show. She was nothing. She was starting Culinary School and I don't know what happened after that. She dissapeared from the Food Show.


332 posted on 01/07/2007 4:44:55 PM PST by jaycee
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To: wagglebee

I'm a Republican. I want to see a Republican win the Presidency in 2008. If a Republican who wins the primary isn't a conservative, who would you vote for instead?


333 posted on 01/07/2007 4:45:48 PM PST by sabe@q.com (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: marajade

I will vote for the GOP nominee whoever it is, but I want the nominee to be conservative.


334 posted on 01/07/2007 4:47:03 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

So if its Guiliani, would you vote for him?


335 posted on 01/07/2007 4:48:33 PM PST by sabe@q.com (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: Reagan Man
You're bound and determined to work at destroying the winning coalition of social and fiscal conservatives that Reagan built the GOP into during the second half of the 1970`s.

Did Reagan exclusively run on social issues & told people they were going to Hell for looking at Playboy though. He highlighted & included them as part of the greater good of conservatism. That's what Republicans need to do. People hate being preached to.

Rudy's statements in the past, his endorsements by liberals, whatever. 2008 is a whole new ballgame. The next election will be all about economic & foreign policy. So the pro-life movement and the busybodies worrying about other people's families should work in increments rather than demanding they get fed grapes by muscular men.

Rudy's personal life or his marriages are none of people's business. Learn from our hero Reagan and build a coalition rather than a couple of pet issues.

336 posted on 01/07/2007 4:50:13 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Why can't Republicans stand up to Democrats like they do to terrorists?)
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To: Torie
Do you favor legalized gay marriage or legalized civil unions for gays? Just curious.

No to the first, and probably no to the second (but depending on what rights, privileges and benefits are attached).

337 posted on 01/07/2007 4:51:58 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
How is turning a blind eye to illegal immigration fiscally conservative?

I didn't agree with Rudy's immigration policy as Mayor of NYC. This is simply an issue that I will wait for Rudy to clarify when the primaries heat up. Obviously, I'm not a fan of illegal immigration and this issue will definetly play a role in my vote for the GOP nominee.

338 posted on 01/07/2007 4:52:50 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Why can't Republicans stand up to Democrats like they do to terrorists?)
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To: marajade

Yes, but my hope is that he won't be the nominee.


339 posted on 01/07/2007 4:52:56 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
I was pointing out the fallacies of the "no social issues" crowd...

What fallacies?

How about you limit the size of government and take taxpayer dollars out of abortion, and the abortion industry will shrivel up over time.

How about you let states worry about gay marriages and stop cracking down on online poker players.

If you cut taxes and limit government, people will make the right choices themselves.

340 posted on 01/07/2007 4:55:07 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Why can't Republicans stand up to Democrats like they do to terrorists?)
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To: Norman Bates
That's not sound conservative thought. That's libertarianism.

So you're more concerned about what adults are doing in their bedrooms rather than limiting government and lowering taxes.

If that makes me a Loserdopian, or Liberal-tarian, so be it.

341 posted on 01/07/2007 4:57:22 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Why can't Republicans stand up to Democrats like they do to terrorists?)
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To: wagglebee

Who, at this point, do you wish is the nominee? McCain? Romney?


342 posted on 01/07/2007 5:04:30 PM PST by sabe@q.com (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: marajade

At this point, I honestly have no idea, but I don't want Giuliani, McCain or Romney.


343 posted on 01/07/2007 5:06:25 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: BonnieJ

The American way to address the criminals is to neuter the criminals, not trash the liberty of the law abiding and decent. Why is this so damned hard for you city slickers to understand? I reckon we could reduce rapes, using the same path, couldn't we?
Don't you even care about the decent citizens who give up their self defense rights?


344 posted on 01/07/2007 5:09:03 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (BUAIDH NO BAS, JUST SAY NO TO RINO!)
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To: calcowgirl
An intelligent answer when on the dock I must say. Keep some running room. Here is the Field Poll from last year with registered California voters:


Which represents your view about state laws
regarding same sex couples:

              
                  Allow      Allow           Grant No   
                 to Marry   Civil Unions     Legal                  
                                             Reognition

Registered voters  36%        33%            27%
Democrats          50%        28%            19%
Republicans        18%        33%            44%
Non-partisans      33%        43%            19%

345 posted on 01/07/2007 5:09:38 PM PST by Torie
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To: paulat

"Most conservatives don't want Rudy.

I'm SO glad my vote cancels out yours!!!"

True conservatives don't vote for former Liberal Party candidates; but to some I guess winning is what's important, even if it means selling one's soul to do so.


346 posted on 01/07/2007 5:12:13 PM PST by BW2221
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To: wagglebee

I remember Donna Hanover from a food show I used to watch on occasion, In Food Today. It was pretty terrible, but I only watched for David Rosengarten. She always seemed like she was really P.O.'ed about something.


347 posted on 01/07/2007 5:12:33 PM PST by lainie ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C. S. Lewis)
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To: BW2221
but to some I guess winning is what's important, even if it means selling one's soul to do so.

You folks brought on Nancy Pelosi...I didn't....

348 posted on 01/07/2007 5:14:39 PM PST by paulat
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

All the problems with the dole would go away tomorrow, if the dole went away first.


349 posted on 01/07/2007 5:15:08 PM PST by lainie ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C. S. Lewis)
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To: wagglebee

I could care less what Hanover, known best as Rudy's ex and an actress in The Vagina Monologues, has to say. Both seem to be at fault in the marriage so she shouldn't throw stones.


350 posted on 01/07/2007 5:25:13 PM PST by peggybac (Tolerance is the virtue of believing in nothing)
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