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Giuliani fears ex-wife will hit presidential bid
London Times ^ | 1/7/07 | London Times

Posted on 01/07/2007 11:46:24 AM PST by wagglebee

THERE is one woman who could cause Rudy Giuliani, the former New York mayor, more problems than Hillary Clinton in the race for the White House: she is Donna Hanover, his second wife, writes Sarah Baxter.

Hanover, an actress and broadcaster, was enraged by Giuliani’s flagrant infidelity towards the end of their 18-year marriage and the divorce case was vicious. Giuliani’s advisers fear that she could be a loose cannon in the 2008 campaign.

Giuliani was acclaimed as the “mayor of America” for his heroic role during the attacks on September 11, 2001 and is revered for his leadership. At the time he was living in the spare room of an apartment belonging to gay friends after Hanover forced him out of Gracie Mansion, the official residence.

Hanover refused to confirm that she would vote for Giuliani as mayor of New York even when she was married to him. “What kind of wife is that?” Raoul Felder, Giuliani’s lawyer, fumed. “She’s essentially saying she’s not going to vote for him.”

Hanover once stood outside a shower at Gracie Mansion, expecting to confront Judith Nathan, Giuliani’s mistress, now his third wife. In the event, a startled golfing friend of Giuliani’s emerged.

Hanover was also accused of a lack of sympathy while the former mayor was battling prostate cancer, by banishing him to a spare bedroom and exercising noisily on a treadmill at 5am.

New Yorkers relished the details of Giuliani’s larger-than-life personal story. But conservative “values voters” could be different, as Giuliani’s own aides noted in a 140-page memo leaked last week by supporters of a rival candidate.

The campaign dossier suggested that Hanover could be one of several potentially “insurmountable” vulnerabilities that could cause him to drop out of the race. It was an embarrassing start to a campaign that is not yet officially under way.

Giuliani’s record in fighting crime and terrorism has placed him at the top of several polls for the 2008 Republican nomination, edging out Senator John McCain in popular support. But the party base may be turned off by his support for abortion, immigration, gun control and gay rights (although not gay marriage). It is their votes that he needs to secure the nomination.

“It would be one thing if Giuliani could say, ‘I’m a strong social conservative in my private life’, but he can’t even say that,” said Ramesh Ponnuru, a conservative commentator and author of The Party of Death, an attack on social liberalism. “It’s not just the fact of his multiple marriages, it is the way the Hanover marriage melted down. It was operatic.”

When Giuliani met Hanover on a blind date in the early 1980s, his first marriage to Regina, his second cousin, was already over. Hanover, who went on to appear in the television series Ally McBeal, was a glamorous soulmate who seemed to enjoy the spotlight as much as he did.

They had two children, Andrew, 21, and Caroline, 17, but in 1996 Hanover stopped calling herself by his last name and a year later Vanity Fair magazine said that he was having an “intimate relationship” with a senior member of his staff.

In 2000, without telling Hanover first, Giuliani announced at a press conference that he was separating from her. She retaliated by accusing him of being unfaithful with the employee, but he was already with Nathan.

Maggie Gallagher, a family values campaigner, was outraged by Giuliani’s “scummy” performance, accusing him of making Bill Clinton “look good as a husband and father”.

New Yorkers learnt during the divorce case that their cancer- afflicted mayor was temporarily impotent and Hanover demanded a huge settlement, including £760 a month to care for Goalie, the family’s golden retriever.

Felder struck back, accusing Hanover of being an “uncaring mother” who was “howling like a stuck pig”.

In the end Giuliani, who was beginning to earn big consultancy fees after September 11, agreed to a settlement of $6.8m to avoid the full horror of a court case.

Hanover has married Ed Oster, her university sweetheart, and written a book, My Boyfriend’s Back, about rekindling an old romance. Even if she stays mum, there is enough in the public domain to rattle conservatives. Yet however vicious the personal attacks on Giuliani, they are unlikely to dent his reputation for competence. He did, after all, handle the September 11 attacks while bunking with gay friends in the midst of an affair and a divorce battle.


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008election; corrupt; donnahanover; exwife; giuliani; hitpiece; letch; nothanksrudy; rino; toomanywives
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To: wagglebee
Rudy and Slutty Judy.
John McCain and Cindy the Pain.
Hillary and the Rapist in Chief.

Who's next?

351 posted on 01/07/2007 5:27:58 PM PST by GVnana (Former Alias: GVgirl)
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To: paulat
"You folks brought on Nancy Pelosi...I didn't...."

More Macacca from the Free Republic Left Wing Support Faction.

352 posted on 01/07/2007 5:35:50 PM PST by Afronaut (Press 2 for English - Thanks Mr. President !)
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To: UWconservative
What kind of husband cheats on his wife frequently over 18 years? Then notifies her of the divorce via a press conference? There are plenty of presidential candidates who don't treat women like trash.

It's entirely possible she is a loathsome woman who alienated him. Freepers continue to make the mistake that a guy who cheats is in the wrong: he certainly behaved badly, but it's entirely possible he had a terrible mate at home and sought affection elsewhere.

353 posted on 01/07/2007 5:38:20 PM PST by HitmanLV (Rock, Rock, Rock and Rollergames! Rockin' & Rolling, Rockin' with Rollergames!)
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To: HitmanLV
"he certainly behaved badly, but it's entirely possible he had a terrible mate at home and sought affection elsewhere."

He behaved "badly", but with a possible good reason.

Did you forget the sarcasm tag?

354 posted on 01/07/2007 5:46:38 PM PST by Afronaut (Press 2 for English - Thanks Mr. President !)
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To: Afronaut
No sarcasm. A cheating spouse isn't automatically the bad guy, and a cheated-upon spouse isn't automatically the good guy.

Every day loathsome spouses get rejected for better companions. It's difficult to characterize that as a bad thing.
355 posted on 01/07/2007 5:50:39 PM PST by HitmanLV (Rock, Rock, Rock and Rollergames! Rockin' & Rolling, Rockin' with Rollergames!)
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To: JHBowden
Trial by fire during the primary season is the only way to know. And unlike FR, most Republicans in 3D space want someone who can win.

Nice try.

Rudy's a good guy and he's been a great team player; he's just got too much baggage.

This kind of stuff even matters to some democrats.

356 posted on 01/07/2007 5:51:02 PM PST by Ramcat (Thank You American Veterans)
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To: ansel12

What the heck are you talking about? Link to what? Any source to what? Do you speak english?


357 posted on 01/07/2007 5:56:18 PM PST by McGavin999 (Don't be a Freeploader, contribute to the upkeep of FreeRepublic)
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To: trumandogz

Sure he lived with a gay couple.

So, what, he has cooties now?


358 posted on 01/07/2007 5:58:52 PM PST by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for. It matters who takes office.)
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To: Torie

Oh and don't forget the issue of the NAU. Speaking as future Supreme Emperor, I don't want that issue off the table anytime soon.


359 posted on 01/07/2007 6:06:32 PM PST by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for. It matters who takes office.)
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To: Torie
An intelligent answer when on the dock I must say. Keep some running room.

What do you mean by "on the dock"? As to running room, not at all. It is difficult to say if you support or oppose something without even a definition.

Here is the Field Poll from last year with registered California voters:

Interesting results. About what I would expect from Field who has a history of leaning left and attempting to influence public opinion (instead of just reporting it).

My guess is Prop 22 would still pass today, although by less than the 61% it did in 2000.

361 posted on 01/07/2007 6:10:37 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: HitmanLV

BTW, if she was surprised about the divorce notification, she was the only one in all of New York. Their inevitable divorce was common watercooler discussion for months.


362 posted on 01/07/2007 6:13:18 PM PST by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for. It matters who takes office.)
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To: AmishDude
Oh and don't forget the issue of the NAU.

Just why is Northern Arizona Univeristy an issue? Did you stay in Flagstaff in an no-tell motel or roach-motel or what? I prefer Williams myself.

363 posted on 01/07/2007 6:35:55 PM PST by Torie
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To: calcowgirl

Rudy will crush the opposition in a GOP primary in California, IMO.


364 posted on 01/07/2007 6:37:24 PM PST by Torie
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To: Torie

That's what they want you to think it is. They are sneaky devils. Me, I'm up for a kinder, gentler international conspiracy.


365 posted on 01/07/2007 6:38:18 PM PST by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for. It matters who takes office.)
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To: rodeodrive3

No doubt----one Big Clue is that you never see Rudy/Judy together on the campaign trail. He must be afraid to have her seen in public.

(Laura was at GWB's side throughout his campaigns.)


366 posted on 01/07/2007 6:41:25 PM PST by Liz (Nearly all men can stand adversity, but to test a man's character, give him power. Abe Lincoln)
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To: ErnBatavia

What isthe prblem with marrying a cousin cannot see a problem myself


367 posted on 01/07/2007 6:47:42 PM PST by snugs ((An English Cheney Chick - Big Time))
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To: Clara Lou
In Britain many first cousins marry I do not get this shock horror thing about marrying cousins.
368 posted on 01/07/2007 6:50:45 PM PST by snugs ((An English Cheney Chick - Big Time))
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To: snugs

That helps explain the Royal Family.


369 posted on 01/07/2007 6:52:54 PM PST by BW2221
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To: Torie
Rudy will crush the opposition in a GOP primary in California, IMO.

Big whoop.

I realize California-style social liberalism matches your "progressive" ideal of all that is good to be foisted upon the American people. But there is a still a large, powerful, and vibrant conservative population that doesn't agree with you or the Schwarzenegger Republicans on this point.

370 posted on 01/07/2007 6:55:58 PM PST by JCEccles
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To: BW2221

For a New York Italian , Rudy sure has alot of West Virginia Hillbilly behavior in him...Banging his cousin and marrying her then he marries someone else then bring his girlfiend to the house where his wife and kids live..

Only thing he needed to complete the picture was a Ford Galaxie 500 up on cinder blocks with a pit bull chained to the bumper..


371 posted on 01/07/2007 6:56:49 PM PST by tomcorn
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To: JCEccles

Time will tell. Let the games begin.


372 posted on 01/07/2007 7:00:35 PM PST by Torie
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To: snugs
What isthe prblem with marrying a cousin cannot see a problem myself

They spawn....

373 posted on 01/07/2007 7:00:43 PM PST by ErnBatavia (recent nightmare: Googled up "Helen Thomas nude"....)
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To: tomcorn

Think Rudy has a still down his basement?


374 posted on 01/07/2007 7:00:50 PM PST by BW2221
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To: Torie

LOL. I post about Rudy, you ask my position on civil unions for gays.
I ask for clarification on your post to my response ("on the dock"), and you post about Rudy winning the California primary.

What we have here is a failure to communicate. ;-)


375 posted on 01/07/2007 7:01:24 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: AmishDude

No kidding - I lived in nyc for 33 years, including all of Rudy's tenure. She was a thorn in his side going into his 2nd term.


376 posted on 01/07/2007 7:02:17 PM PST by HitmanLV (Rock, Rock, Rock and Rollergames! Rockin' & Rolling, Rockin' with Rollergames!)
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To: Liz

Were FDR and Eleanor cousins? I think so, but I don't know if they were 2nd cousins.


377 posted on 01/07/2007 7:03:12 PM PST by Collier
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To: Torie

It's always interesting sparing with you on FR because you're on the left fringe (of FR) and I'm on the right.


378 posted on 01/07/2007 7:03:14 PM PST by BW2221
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To: calcowgirl

I have not been entirely courteous to you. I used you. I wanted to know that a hard core "conservative" thought about gays, and unions, to then point out, that half of GOP folks in California favor the same. You were "on the dock" as my exhibit, and handled it very well. Kudos. Not guilty!


379 posted on 01/07/2007 7:04:26 PM PST by Torie
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To: UWconservative

Following that argument to conclusion if you played with someone of the opposite sex as a child you could not consider an intimate relationship with them later in life - that is plain crazy IMHO.


380 posted on 01/07/2007 7:04:50 PM PST by snugs ((An English Cheney Chick - Big Time))
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To: Collier
FDR and Eleanor were fifth cousins (according to previous posts. He had girlfriend and she had a girlfriend too.

This thread has been active for seven hours, which illustrates how strong feelings are regarding Rudy; pro and con.
381 posted on 01/07/2007 7:06:51 PM PST by BW2221
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To: BW2221
The main thing is to spar in good spirit, and with the idea of illuminating what unites, and divides, with honesty, and with no holds bared. If some veins are broken, or even arteries, in that spirit, well that is just sanguinary cleansing. :)
382 posted on 01/07/2007 7:07:45 PM PST by Torie
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To: UWconservative
Also in many very strict religious communities who would not consider marrying anyone from outside their group most of them are related not just second cousins but first cousins.

We have have neighbours that everyone in their church apart from her husband are related.

This marriage really jolted the gene pool and 2 of their 4 children were born with club feet - first marriage for about 3 generations outside the family.
383 posted on 01/07/2007 7:07:46 PM PST by snugs ((An English Cheney Chick - Big Time))
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To: rodeodrive3

I have heard others say she is annoying as hell and has a voice like Joan Rivers. I have never seen her other than still pictures. Gotta be something about Judy Nathan that is a potent political liability because you never see her with Rudy at political functions.


384 posted on 01/07/2007 7:09:55 PM PST by tomcorn
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

"So you're more concerned about what adults are doing in their bedrooms rather than limiting government and lowering taxes."

I didn't say that. I suggest you re-read what I said.

"If that makes me a Loserdopian, or Liberal-tarian, so be it."

Whatever you want to call yourself. Conservative wouldn't have been my first choice either.


385 posted on 01/07/2007 7:11:22 PM PST by Norman Bates (President Ford )
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To: HitmanLV

Well....the Christian custom is to divorce your spouse BEFORE you get a new girlfriend.


386 posted on 01/07/2007 7:11:45 PM PST by tomcorn
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To: ErnBatavia

I do not think statistics back up your comments


387 posted on 01/07/2007 7:11:54 PM PST by snugs ((An English Cheney Chick - Big Time))
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To: tomcorn
I know that's the custom but it seldom works out that way in the real world.

Some people are serial cheaters. Some people make a really bad call and cheat on a good spouse. In more cases than not, however, the cheated upon spouse alienated the cheating spouse enough so that they looked for affection elsewhere.

Dirty secret of cheating.
388 posted on 01/07/2007 7:13:14 PM PST by HitmanLV (Rock, Rock, Rock and Rollergames! Rockin' & Rolling, Rockin' with Rollergames!)
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To: McGavin999

First you told me she was dying but she wasn't.

"Yeah, that whole wife dying of cancer while you're off having an affair was pretty messy."



Then you told me that they didn't know that.

"But she didn't know that at the time, nor did he."



I just was wondering what sources you are using for that info. you are trying to pass off on me.





389 posted on 01/07/2007 7:14:02 PM PST by ansel12 (America, love it ,or at least give up your home citizenship before accepting ours too.)
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To: tomcorn

I saw her but it wasn't at a political function, he had given a speech in a foreign country and they were touring a site together and being treated like VIP's but quite friendly to Americans and others there, or at least he was. She wasn't at his side when I met him but I saw her several times as they walked around the place.


390 posted on 01/07/2007 7:17:29 PM PST by BonnieJ
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To: HitmanLV

Well....for me them moral issue is crystal clear...both infidelity and wife beating are wrong. Additionally, in distances under 70 yards my wife is a stone killer with a shotgun. She'd wing me a few times just for funzies before she gave me the coup de grace up close and personal like. She is an emotionally engaging woman.


391 posted on 01/07/2007 7:18:49 PM PST by tomcorn
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To: tomcorn

Infidelity is wrong, but that's not to say it doesn't happen for sound reasons now and then. It's bad business but I know some cheaters who ended up with better mates when the dust settled.


392 posted on 01/07/2007 7:21:17 PM PST by HitmanLV (Rock, Rock, Rock and Rollergames! Rockin' & Rolling, Rockin' with Rollergames!)
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To: BonnieJ

Doesn't that suggest to you that she is a political liability in some manner?

It's like she is trying to remain a non-person in Rudy's political life. Not gonna work.


393 posted on 01/07/2007 7:23:06 PM PST by tomcorn
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To: tomcorn
Don't go messin' 'round; we enjoy having you on FR..
394 posted on 01/07/2007 7:26:04 PM PST by BW2221
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To: HitmanLV
This thread has caused me to do some checking. Rudy had his first marriage annulled when he discovered (after 14 years) that his first wife was also his second cousin. How it's possible for an educated man not to know who is second cousin is mystifies me.

There also were widespread rumors that he was having an affair with his communications director. It could be interesting to see if any Jennifer Flowers-types appear.

Rudy, Newt and McCain are hardly favorites in the Husband of the Year competition.
395 posted on 01/07/2007 7:33:55 PM PST by BW2221
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To: BW2221
Rudy, Newt and McCain are hardly favorites in the Husband of the Year competition.

Luckily, none of them are running for that post.

396 posted on 01/07/2007 7:36:14 PM PST by Wormwood (Goldwater Republican.)
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To: BW2221

My wife told me that I can fool around if I get her permission first. I point out women at the mall or at church and she keeps saying no....but one of these days....


397 posted on 01/07/2007 7:37:37 PM PST by tomcorn
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To: Condor51

{Heck, John Kerry is more pro gun than Rudy.}

With Rudy's treament of his ex-wives, he won't get the "soccer mom" vote. After all, why bother voting for a liberal when you can get the real thing in a RAT. With Rudy being pro-gun control, pro-abortion, and pro-homosexual, the RAT candidates can claim the moral high ground over Rudy. Obama and Edwards are still on their first marriages and love their wives.


398 posted on 01/07/2007 7:48:53 PM PST by Kuksool (I learned more about political science on FR than in college)
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To: UWconservative

you are buying all the spin - how do you know he didn't talk to her about the separation first, because she said so? scorned women don't lie? give me a break.


399 posted on 01/07/2007 7:52:28 PM PST by oceanview
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To: HitmanLV

indeed.


400 posted on 01/07/2007 7:53:34 PM PST by oceanview
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