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What the “conservative” useful idiots have brought us: Week one.
January 8, 2007 | self

Posted on 01/08/2007 8:42:14 AM PST by jmaroneps37

The last election told us many things. One thing that stands out above all others is that the number of people who actually understand what is going on in our country today is frighteningly small.

A small group who “get it”

Just half of Americans are registered to vote, so right off, we know that half of America doesn’t care what happens to itself or the rest of us. They live in a different world. You know who they are so it is not necessary to expand on this point.

Of those who are registered, on a good Election Day, sixty percent vote. That means that only thirty percent of Americans are heard, and even a large percentage of them are ill informed or willfully blinding themselves, even as they cast their ballots.

Of this thirty percent, about fifty percent vote Democrat and by doing so show us they do not understand that the Democrats are a party bent on surrendering our security to our terrorist enemies. To be sure not all who vote Democrat want this result, most of the others vote Democrat because they want socialism, gay marriage and dumbed down schools and/or open borders.

That leaves only fifteen percent, or about 1 in 7, of Americans who understand that we are the only hope our nation has.

This bares repeating: Only about 1 in 7 Americans seems to understand the true murderous intentions of our enemies and/or the destructive nature of socialism.

Nevertheless, in the last election, a certain percentage of America’s 1 in 7 voters, people who should know better, voted in a way that showed they were willing put their own demands for single issue purity over the safety of America. This is the reality of what these voters have brought about by their foolish demands that politicians suddenly toe their line totally or be thrown under a bus along with our nation.

The ill informed nitwits that vote Democrat in a knee jerk fashion, the socialists who, though born here, hate America – they are what they are. They must be fought at the ballot box every two years. They are almost like evil little children who will be what they will be, but the, “ I’m staying home because I’m so much more conservative than you, so much smarter than you..” 1 in 7 voters must be held to a higher standard. These voters can not claim ignorance. They willfully handed the reigns of power and responsibility for America’s safety over to the Democrats. There were just enough of these willfully “blind” “single issue purity” voters to hand the Democrats 16 of their 36 victories; this figure being derived from the fact that for the want of just 63,000 more votes spread across these races, America would not now be in the danger she is in.

These people should have known better. They took their own narrow agendas with them on Election Day. They played “make believe” with America’s future and safety. The bought into the Democrat controlled media’s lies that we can’t win the war, the economy is tanking, and open borders would somehow be less threatening if only the Democrats controlled both Houses.

Now these 1 in 7 voters are trying to explain what they did by wringing their hands and complaining about not wanting to “vote for the lesser of two evils.” Apparently it does not occur to this group that the choices we have are really just the choices we have. They don’t understand that failing to vote for the “lesser of two evils” guarantees that you will get the greater of two evils.

These people fancy themselves as so much smarter and so much more conservative than the rest of the 1 in 7. They are nothing more than “conservative” useful idiots.

They, and unfortunately us, now have to live with the disastrous consequences of their self delusions that they would somehow get from a Democrat Congress what they couldn't get from a Republican congress, but that would be the only difference. We will all now have to deal with Democrats who will be as disappointing on some issues, but terrifying on other issues, lots of other issues.

These are a series of headlines. This piece is not written to anyone who needs to have them explained. It is written to the “conservative” useful idiots among us who have joined the fools and socialists to “teach” someone a lesson. Here’s the first week’s “lessons”.

January 1, 2007 to January 8, 2007:

"Dems Prepare Slew of Oversight Hearings"

"Democrats push for Alaska drilling ban"

"Pelosi, Reid Oppose Iraq Troop Surge (Letter Sent To Bush!)"

"New Muslim congressman avoids loyalty questions"

"Socialism on the move: Edwards pushes Universal Healthcare"

"SEARCH ON FOR TOUGH NEW WHITE HOUSE COUNSEL; expected avalanche of congressional committee investigations..."

"Pelosi's new image as Italian Catholic mom -- more than a 'San Francisco liberal'"

"'IMPEACH!' is message at Nancy Pelosi beach (San Fransicko Alert)"

"What Americans MUST Know About the Incoming Senate Intelligence Chairman"

"(Mother") Sheehan Right to Demand Democrats Act on Iraq (Susan Estrich Barf Alert!)"

"House rules change clears way for tax increases"


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: bs; electionresults; liberalgop; snivel; stayathomevoters; usefulidiots; vanity
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To: EternalVigilance
"...any FReeper who is pushing this "blame conservatives" meme is deeply suspect. What they betray is a deep dislike for conservatism."

Did you miss this sentence in the article?

"There were just enough of these willfully “blind” “single issue purity” voters to hand the Democrats 16 of their 36 victories; this figure being derived from the fact that for the want of just 63,000 more votes spread across these races,.."

OTOH, as we all know here at FR, historically, the mid-term election of a President in his second term has been a big loser. Last year we had a perfect storm of
(1) A President who is argeably, the worst communicator of the television age,
(2) A populace, femenized for the last 30 years, is war weary
(3) A Republican controlled Congress which did little to earn the votes of Republicans. Other than they aren't democrats.

Hence, loser...

151 posted on 01/08/2007 10:22:17 AM PST by muleskinner
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To: muleskinner
Did you miss this sentence in the article?

It isn't an "article." It's a vanity, written for the sole purpose of trashing conservatives.

152 posted on 01/08/2007 10:25:13 AM PST by EternalVigilance (Circumstances are the fire by which the mettle of men is tried.)
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To: Tokra
Easily - by not allowing the Democrats to seize control of the Congress.

Yes, because remember politics is a team sport. 'We' have to be in control instead of 'they'.

I vote for who will represent my views best at the federal level. As a limited government Classical Liberal who believes the federal government has overstepped its bounds time and again into the affairs of the separate and sovereign states I vote the way my conscience and not the ways others would have me to. I don't care about their party affiliation but base my vote on how they state they will represent my views in Congress. If that person fails to do so at the next election I don't vote for them.

Don't worry, I vote when the time is upon us. I rarely vote for Senatorial or Presidential elections (as that was not the original intent) but I do vote.

153 posted on 01/08/2007 10:25:25 AM PST by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: HostileTerritory

Please do your homework again. In the Northeast/Midwest in small rural towns where light manufacturing exists, is where the Dems made inroads by 5 percent or less. Big issue is the effects of free trade on these communities. Include the south in the mix. Unabashed free trade is costing the GOP blue collar conservatives and future elections.


154 posted on 01/08/2007 10:25:25 AM PST by Fee
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To: Dane
"Many "Republicans" do not trust, nor really like, conservatives."

"Why should they. It was the "true conservatives" who put nancy pelosi in power."

No, Dane, it was liberals like you who put the liberals in power because you think the same. Liberal Republicans helped liberal Democrats, it's natural. Democrats are much more convincing as liberals, they've been at it longer.
If the same liberal position is held by a Democrat and a Republican, the swing voter will vote for the real thing, the liberal Democrat.
The Republican party, and the Republican legislature, tried hard to convince the voters it was just as liberal as the Democrats. In many cases they succeeded, and the voters had no reason to vote Republican.

The voters necessary to win a national election hold no strong ties to either party. You cannot, as you believe, get them to vote for a candidate only because of their party affiliation. You cannot, as you believe, get them to vote for a liberal, no matter what party they represent, if they believe in conservative principles.

Many voters, who previously voted for Republicans because of the principles they campaigned on, felt betrayed when those Republicans abandoned those principles and governed like liberals. It is perfectly understandable that these voters no longer trust Republicans and took a chance on the other candidate.

We will never win the necessary swing voters with demands for party loyalty. We must show these voters there is a difference between Republicans and Democrats and convince them that their vote will not be betrayed. I have seen nothing from the Republican leadership that would lead me to believe they understand this or that they will not continue pandering to special interests that have the money but not the votes.

If a conservative is to be elected in 2008, it will be because of the work of conservatives, not because of the Republican party.
155 posted on 01/08/2007 10:25:28 AM PST by Prokopton
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To: jmaroneps37
Well, for what it's worth, I'm tired of being labled a "traitor," just because I'm NOT a lock-step republican... I'm closer to a "small 'l' libertarian."

However, I did vote for Jim Talent, and against Emmanuel Cleaver.

Mark

156 posted on 01/08/2007 10:25:39 AM PST by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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To: Prokopton
If a conservative is to be elected in 2008, it will be because of the work of conservatives, not because of the Republican party.

Bears repeating...

157 posted on 01/08/2007 10:27:10 AM PST by EternalVigilance (Circumstances are the fire by which the mettle of men is tried.)
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To: mugs99
So as a libertarian you prefer the President is impeached, taxes are raised, we leave Iraq to Iran/Syria/Saudi Arabia and Turkey to divy up, we have socialized healthcare, etc.? If so, you sound like a dem more than a libertarian (to me)..

Fact is we have two parties in this country and you may lean toward libertarian more than conservative or more than liberal, but in this day and age you need to choose a side of the fence and support it, warts and all...

158 posted on 01/08/2007 10:28:18 AM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: jmaroneps37
In the two-party system we've had for years, not voting for the lesser of two evils is a deriliction of duty.

If you want to effect change beyond simply voting, you do grassroots work to persuade people and politicans to effect policy and philosophical change, not by wasting your vote on a third-party candidate.

I find these '100percenters' quite childish. They want to be held blameless by taking no chance they could be blamed for - gutless. They are gods to themselves, with standards so high nobody can meet them.

Politics in a 'democracy' or 'representative republic' is the last place on earth to expect purism.

159 posted on 01/08/2007 10:30:06 AM PST by Swordfished
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To: roses of sharon

That's right. Yesterday Steny Hoyer said the President told him he is pleased to be able to work with the democrats to pass his immigration reform (amnesty) that was being blocked by the GOP congress.


160 posted on 01/08/2007 10:30:51 AM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: MizSterious

These people are going to find it was much better on the GOP side of the fence, we are in for a bumpy ride.


161 posted on 01/08/2007 10:32:22 AM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: jmaroneps37
Jmar:

I neither stayed home nor voted D. In fact, I ran the GOTV effort for a major swing county in an important swing state. We got plastered here.

Your premise that it is conservatives who stayed home or voted D that changed this election is a fantasy. All our polling--and I saw the internal polls--showed that we had a big swing of unaffiliateds from R to D. That factor swamped everything else. All indications nationally are the same.

Liberal R's naturally argue that, if we lost the Unaffiliateds, the R's should become more liberal. Bad argument. We lose the Una's when we no longer stand for anything. Reagan put together the current coalition of economic conservatives and values voters (many of these are Una's and they are major swing voters) by standing for both smaller government and social values. Our R's in congress stood for neither in the past two years and stunk like democrats in corruption. The values voters swung.

162 posted on 01/08/2007 10:34:27 AM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: Hop A Long Cassidy

The rumor that people lost because they were against illegal immigration was firmly defused last week here on FR. Some people still cling to the Rove-fueled story, but it's not true... we lost because conservatives and libertarians decided to throw a temper tantrum.


163 posted on 01/08/2007 10:34:31 AM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: fr_freak
Where we go from here is actually pretty simple... the most important jobs in DC is who is in charge of congress and senate. We need to start working at the primary levels to elect conservatives and then support them in the election.

We cannot change the GOP at the general election, we have to change it at the primary level, the level most people don't even bother to get off their lazy rears and vote.

If you want to change the party, you don't leave the party, you work from within to repair what is broken.

If we don't it won't matter who is elected President next year... we'll never get more conservative judges on SCOTUS.

164 posted on 01/08/2007 10:38:25 AM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Arizona Carolyn
we lost because conservatives and libertarians decided to throw a temper tantrum.

Conservatives lost because moderates and independents (primarily women and young voters) were alienated by the mess in Iraq and an ideologically rigid GOP leadership.

165 posted on 01/08/2007 10:39:37 AM PST by Wormwood (Goldwater Republican.)
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To: Wuli
1. And with two possible SCOTUS appointments, the "precendent" setting affect of rulings in the next 10 years will have ramifications far into the future.

Conservatives on the SCOTUS guarantee us nothing...Commerce Clause? Eminent Domain?

2. "immigration reform".
LOL!!!
"Conservatives" were in control and gave us no immigration reform..."Comprehensive" reform is amnesty.

3. The Dims plan to repeat, in Iraq, the treasonous 'defeat' policy they gave South Vietnam, will untether the United States from any meaningful role in the Middle East

We gave up any meaningful role in the Middle East when Republicans abandoned the mission in Afghanistan to launch a Blitzkrieg in Iraq...without enough troops to accomplish the mission.

4. Add the courtroom circus to the "last helicopter from Baghdad" scene and you can figure 9/11 as firecracker demonstration of what will become of the Dims "brave new world".

That circus is a strong possibility with both Democrats and Republicans. The "brave new world" you mention is being pushed by both Democrats and Republicans...in other words, there is no longer any difference between Republicans and Democrats.
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166 posted on 01/08/2007 10:40:20 AM PST by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: muleskinner

Item #3 on your list is probably the biggest of them all. In national politics, it is usually much easier for the opposition party to generate a high level of enthusiasm than for the ruling party. This is mainly because the opposition often does not have to be very specific about where it stands -- it just has to have enough targets from the ruling party (in the form of policy matters) to hold up as incorrect, destructive, and even downright absurd (witness the GOP campaign in 1993-94).


167 posted on 01/08/2007 10:40:59 AM PST by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: Wormwood

Well, I'm a woman and a conservative at that and I voted. I also support the war in Iraq.


168 posted on 01/08/2007 10:41:03 AM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Mo1
Voters like yourself have already alienated us and not the swing voter that was mentioned in that post

Tell this guy why we lost George, come on tell him!

169 posted on 01/08/2007 10:41:08 AM PST by Afronaut (Press 2 for English - Thanks Mr. President !)
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To: Swordfished
I don't know a single person who comes even close to a "100 percenter."

And I do find it utterly offensive whenever someone comes here on FreeRepublic, holds up a prospective candidate who is conservative on about 10%-20% of the issues, and suggests that anyone who doesn't support this candidate is a "100 percenter."

170 posted on 01/08/2007 10:43:17 AM PST by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: jmaroneps37; Jack Black
Jmar:

Suggest you read Jack Black's post 13 before posting again and then follow it up with my recent post on this thread. The problem with your mantra is that you haven't bothered to look at the actual returns from the election. I would respectfully suggest you do that before continuing on with this type of vanity.

You blame R's who voted D or stayed home with no basis in fact. In fact, if you look at the election results, this group played no, or almost no, role in the outcome because the group did not exist in significant numbers. It was Unaffiliateds who changed their vote.

From your posts, I suspect you are just an ill-informed moderate R ranting about a hypothetical group of conservatives who do not exist in significant numbers. But your attempt to incite warfare amongst the folks who almost ALL voted R only gives aid and comfort to the enemy. So go for it.

171 posted on 01/08/2007 10:43:36 AM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
I dare call it treason.

Are you talking about not voting Republican, or not securing the border?

172 posted on 01/08/2007 10:45:17 AM PST by kevao
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To: OldFriend
Rant On:
I have been strongly behind the WOT, and the campaign in Iraq, I have also stated for at least the last 18 months, and maybe longer the current optempo is going to break the Army and Marine Corps. I completely backed Sec. Rumsfeld when he uttered you go to war with the military you have, BUT we have been in Iraq for nearly four years, and September 11th occurred 5 and half years ago and I don't think an increase the manning levels of the Army and Marines has even been suggested by this administration until December of last year.
I originally was in favor of ~50,000 more soldiers for the Army and 25,000 for the Marines, about two divisions and one division respectively, but have come to the conclusion the more like 100,000 and 50,000 should be requested by the Pentagon and authorized by Congress. I am not suggesting these troops be added to the number in Iraq but put in rotation with the existing optempo so troops have more time between deployments.

I do not know if more boots on the ground in Iraq is what is needed, but I DO believe the troops their must be utilized differently. Peter King, a Sport Illustrated columnist in his Christmas Eve Column wrote about an Army Sgt. in Germany who was preparing for a third deployment to Iraq, he recollected so of the activities his team undertook during their last deployment and apparently the either were an EOD team, or were utilized as an EOD team and he commented on how they would have to return to the exact same area for a few days in a row and remove or destroy an IED that had been placed there since the lat trip to the area, and I was nearly screaming at the screen that someone, ANYONE should have ambushed the terrorists, insurgents, bad guys, whatever, the next time they came to setup their bombs. I contend as long as the military is fighting the war in the described manner I truly wonder about the outcome.
IMO the US should own the night, and if you are outside you damn well had better not do ANYTHING even remotely misundertandable as terrorist or militant activity or you will take a .308 or .50 BMG upside the head from a sniper, a hail of minigun fire from an AC-130, be on the receiving end of a couple strafing runs by an A-10 or Apache, or just chopped up in withering fire from an ambushing platoon or company lying in wait for you Mr. Terrorist to do something stupid.
The status quo does not seem to be working, I do not know if the situation is as bleak as we are led to believe by the media, but perception becomes reality, and enough of the voting public bought it November of 2006 and eventually the Dems will get their wish of the US leaving Iraq, and once that happens they can start on trying to get us to leave Afghanistan and after that we can go back to waiting for the next attack on US soil.
I was really surprised the Dems took back the Senate, the House was not a surprise, but I thought they would hold it with less that a 20 seat edge, rather than the ~30 they ended up with, but even-so the dem majorities are razor thin and the Republican Party needs to be ready to clearly state why the Dem proposals are bad and organize some kind of opposition, the time for bold measures was missed when the leadership remained largely the same but I have yet to see anything or anyone that excites me for 2008.
Rant Off
173 posted on 01/08/2007 10:45:26 AM PST by thinkthenpost (I am the KING of the run on sentence.)
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To: OldFriend

It wasn't conservatives who renominated RINOs to run. That was the mainstream of the republican partyy establishment.

If conservative candidates had run they would have voted for them.

The republican party needs to clean itself out like 1994.

Then and only then will you see a workable majority.


174 posted on 01/08/2007 10:45:59 AM PST by BillM
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To: OldFriend
But Pres Bush's major failures (in the eyes of the "far right") certainly were not a part of that "deal"... failing to enforce immigration laws and protect the border... signing CFR, even after ackowledging that it may be unConstitutional... failing to support conseravtives over Republican incumbents in November... not opposing the liberal lies regarding Iraq...

I can see the immense budget bloat being part of the deal, but the rest certainly is not.

175 posted on 01/08/2007 10:47:06 AM PST by Teacher317
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To: Afronaut

What was the point of posting that picture?


176 posted on 01/08/2007 10:47:19 AM PST by Mo1 (YEA, What Onyx said in her tag line !!)
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To: Fee

Yes, I agree that free trade doesn't help. But we got routed in the suburbs, and there are many districts we lost made up largely of manufacturing-based small towns: PA-4, PA-10, NY-20, NY-24, IN-9, IN-2, WI-8, MN-1.


177 posted on 01/08/2007 10:59:34 AM PST by HostileTerritory
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To: Tokra
Much of which was due to the 9/11 attacks and the War on Terror.
Nope. The largest growth of government since FDR excludes 9/11 and the "War On Terror".

The Republicans also gave us tax cuts
A tax cut without a reduction in spending is a cost of living increase.

- do you think the democrats will do the same?
Yes. I think Democrats will raise my cost of living just like Republicans have.

Do you really feel we are better off with the Democrats in charge?
No. I feel that we are screwed by both Democrats and Republicans.

There isn't a thrid option - it's either the GOP or the DNC.
You're right...Liberty isn't an option.

I wish the GOP had won - are you really glad the dems won?
It makes no difference. Democrats want to be your Mommy and Republicans want to be your Daddy. In either case government gets bigger and you become less free.
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178 posted on 01/08/2007 10:59:37 AM PST by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: Alberta's Child
it was the socially conservative independent or Democrat who got up out of bed on Election Day, read one more obituary about a casualty in Iraq from a local National Guard unit, drove past a bunch of illegal Mexican immigrants loitering in front of a local convenience store, and asked himself: "WHAT'S THE F#CKING POINT?!"

Don't forget the spending issue & then from the emotional end The Bushes promoting Bubba as a newly found member of the family. Pictures of the "impeached one" & him did it for me.

179 posted on 01/08/2007 11:04:23 AM PST by Digger (If RINO is your selection, then failure is your election)
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To: jmaroneps37

The one thing that is certain is that conservs lack patience. The mess we are in now was not created overnight- ie: Clinton was not the disease- he was only a symptom. It has taken 50 years to come to this and it will NOT be undone overnight. Voting for "the lesser of two evils" is NOT what we do, it is the start to righting the wrong. To stay home, to vote demonRAT to "teach us a lesson", to "vote one's conscience (vote liberT) or, most of all, to sit at home on your a$$ during the primaries doesn't "teach" anyone anything. It enables the enemy and sets our course back.

Wake up. Or get used to Pelosi's ugly Botoxed face in YOUR face.


180 posted on 01/08/2007 11:04:48 AM PST by 13Sisters76 ("It is amazing how many people mistake a certain hip snideness for sophistication. " Thos. Sowell)
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To: Jack Black
The hardest barrier going forward is the apparent decision by the MSM to move from grudgingly attempting some sort of even handed coverage to outright boosterism for the Donkeys. If this continues in force it remains to be seen if it is possible for any R to win a media dominated race.

My GOODNESS, FRiend, have you been in a timewarp for the last 30 years? THe "old" or MAINSTREAM MEDIA (old or MSM) has been shilling for the socialists for the last 25-40 years AT LEAST!!

181 posted on 01/08/2007 11:10:31 AM PST by Don W (Stoneage man survived thousands of years of bitter-cold ice. Modern man WILLsurvive global warming.)
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To: Arizona Carolyn
So as a libertarian you prefer the President is impeached, taxes are raised, we leave Iraq to Iran/Syria/Saudi Arabia and Turkey to divy up, we have socialized healthcare, etc.? If so, you sound like a dem more than a libertarian (to me)..

As a Libertarian I prefer that the President not be impeached, taxes are lowered and we take control of the situation in the Mideast or get the hell out.
Socialized health care? We already have that...compliments of George Bush and Ted Kennedy...Democrat and Republican working together to grow government!

but in this day and age you need to choose a side of the fence and support it, warts and all...
LOL!
I'll support the Constitution, thank you...you can have my share of the warts.
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182 posted on 01/08/2007 11:12:06 AM PST by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: mugs99
"Conservatives on the SCOTUS guarantee us nothing...Commerce Clause? Eminent Domain?"

Souter never was never a "conservative", never an originalist (Scalia, Thomas) as have been all of Bush's SCOTUS appointments - Roberts and Alito (as we held him to it). One more and we'd have the 5/4 majority we need; which now will not happen - thanks to...............? Two more Alitos and even the Libertarians would be disappointed with how originalist the SCOTUS would be.

"Conservatives" were in control and gave us no immigration That circus is a strong possibility with both Democrats and Republicans. The "brave new world" you mention is being pushed by both Democrats and Republicans...in other words, there is no longer any difference between Republicans and Democrats.reform..."Comprehensive" reform is amnesty."

Conservatives in the House blocked the "comprehensive" amnesty reforms of the Senate; a Senate bill that most Republican Senators did not back, but two few to impede a RINO-Dim majority.

"We gave up any meaningful role in the Middle East when Republicans abandoned the mission in Afghanistan to launch a Blitzkrieg in Iraq...without enough troops to accomplish the mission."

We never abandoned the mission in Afghanistan, we never drew any resource from that mission for the mission in Iraq (read Tommy Franks book - he debunks that myth). The troops needed for the invasion (initial occupation and control) and mopping up Saddam were enough, both of those benchmarks were obtained. The implementation of, control operations of and transition from the Provisional Iragi authority (Bremmer) mispent US resources and failed to more-quickly approach (a)Iraq's elected government and (b)faster mounting and training of new Iraqi police and military units. Three successful Iraqi elections must now be matched by the will power of the Iraqi elected government, with our help; and, God willing, it will be.

"That circus is a strong possibility with both Democrats and Republicans. The "brave new world" you mention is being pushed by both Democrats and Republicans...in other words, there is no longer any difference between Republicans and Democrats.

Only because the RINOs within the GOP are emboldened by the Dim majority; were that not the case the GOP conservatives in the House and Senate would be able to hold the line against desserting Iraq.

It took Britain ten years to pacify the actual insurgency in Malaysia, and they did not have Malaysia's neighbors directly aiding that insurgency either; as Iran, Syria and Saudi-based elements are doing in Iraq.

All wars are one by one party - the party that remains committed to winning and committed to the investment needed to back that goal. Period.

183 posted on 01/08/2007 11:14:44 AM PST by Wuli
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To: Alberta's Child
You made some odd posts to me, but this one takes the cake. You must be from Canada to make that silly post....a country that only survives because we put up the money and guts to defend such as you appear to be.

Please read the following from "Flopping Aces" weblog and comment. Unless you're a newly minted Catholic pacifist (your profile indicates you may be one, but your church used to believe in just wars and actually coined the phrase) that wants to be overrun by the Islamic faith, please actually debate what the article says:

Deputy Assistant to the President Peter Wehner has penned a primer on the basics concerning radical Islam. Not only should you read it, you should forward it to every family member, friend, and colleague who doesn't get the nature of the enemy we face.

This is a welcome, though long overdue, effort on the information front in the war. Many more like it would be welcome. Wehner's conclusion:

It is the fate of the West, and in particular the United States, to have to deal with the combined threat of Shia and Sunni extremists. And for all the differences that exist between them -- and they are significant -- they share some common features.

Their brand of radicalism is theocratic, totalitarian, illiberal, expansionist, violent, and deeply anti-Semitic and anti-American. As President Bush has said, both Shia and Sunni militants want to impose their dark vision on the Middle East. And as we have seen with Shia-dominated Iran's support of the Sunni terrorist group Hamas, they can find common ground when they confront what they believe is a common enemy.

The war against global jihadism will be long, and we will experience success and setbacks along the way. The temptation of the West will be to grow impatient and, in the face of this long struggle, to grow weary. Some will demand a quick victory and, absent that, they will want to withdraw from the battle. But this is a war from which we cannot withdraw. As we saw on September 11th, there are no safe harbors in which to hide. Our enemies have declared war on us, and their hatreds cannot be sated. We will either defeat them, or they will come after us with the unsheathed sword.

All of us would prefer years of repose to years of conflict. But history will not allow it. And so it once again rests with this remarkable republic to do what we have done in the past: our duty.

184 posted on 01/08/2007 11:14:46 AM PST by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: mugs99
Democrats want to be your Mommy and Republicans want to be your Daddy. In either case government gets bigger and you become less free.

Well said.

185 posted on 01/08/2007 11:15:44 AM PST by Wormwood (Goldwater Republican.)
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To: Mo1
Good post earlier. The same folks who ran from the GOP, belittling it and helping to put in the Democrat majority are running from dealing with the responsibility of what Speaker Pelosi is about to do to them.

Perfect.

186 posted on 01/08/2007 11:17:43 AM PST by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: jmaroneps37

I get it now. If you are conservative, you must vote centrist, or be labeled a conservative.


187 posted on 01/08/2007 11:18:54 AM PST by Glenn (Annoy a BushBot...Think for yourself.)
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To: Teacher317
The man is shouldering the security of the world. I can't see adding to his burdens and thinking it's a good idea to punish him. Yes before 9/11 he could be bashed but not now.

Yes, he made mistakes, but none fatal to our national security, in my opinion.

CFR turned out to be a pain, but then we might not have had the Swift Boat Vets for Truth. They put paid to any hope of Kerry getting elected.

We wanted legislation from him, but it was not going to be forthcoming from our elected dunces. He needed more support and he didn't get it from the right side of the aisle. He tried for social security reform and there she was, hitlery, standing and applauding that he didn't get reform.

He had no choice but to support Specter. He got some much needed votes from the bum before the election that he would never have had if the President supported Toomey. And you have to give Specter credit for getting the judges thru the committee.

We have to take the political situation for what it is......not what we want it to be.

188 posted on 01/08/2007 11:20:35 AM PST by OldFriend (THE PRESS IS AN EVIL FOR WHICH THERE IS NO REMEDY)
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To: Tokra
There isn't a thrid option - it's either the GOP or the DNC.

Then don't waist your time voting. They are both controlled by the same elites who want the same results. This "Two-Party Cartel' has shut out any hope of a viable party getting traction. There is no push from conservatives to their ideals - only reacting to liberal crapola. All you need is to hear the pubbies in D.C. going along with bipartenship - ie liberalism. There is only one party but keep votng for these boobs & get these same results. As far a Kaliforneeaah the republicans sold themselves out with Ahrnold. They made the pubbie party absolutly irrevelant for a generation. The label of Arnie/Republican shows me to have nothing to do with that party. I'm sure others see this also.

189 posted on 01/08/2007 11:21:56 AM PST by Digger (If RINO is your selection, then failure is your election)
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To: thinkthenpost
I'm no military expert. So I'll refrain from commenting on strategy or troop deployments.

From all that I read, the troops volunteer to go back, they understand their job, they feel they are accomplishing something good.

Re-enlistment among the troops who go to Iraq is extremely high.

Armchair generals have an agenda so I am suspicious of their pronouncements.

We had a president who meddled in the military operations in Viet Nam. Now we have a President who listens to his generals. If they were wrong, and they may have been, that will be corrected.

The actual war dead is about 2600 for the four years. Tragic but hardly what could have been. I'd say we've done darned well.

190 posted on 01/08/2007 11:26:12 AM PST by OldFriend (THE PRESS IS AN EVIL FOR WHICH THERE IS NO REMEDY)
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To: Prokopton
We will never win the necessary swing voters with demands for party loyalty. We must show these voters there is a difference between Republicans and Democrats and convince them that their vote will not be betrayed. I have seen nothing from the Republican leadership that would lead me to believe they understand this or that they will not continue pandering to special interests that have the money but not the votes. If a conservative is to be elected in 2008, it will be because of the work of conservatives, not because of the Republican party.

You can't get past the committees to bring in true conservatives. You must go to another party & this cartel has that option closed for all practical purposes.

191 posted on 01/08/2007 11:32:16 AM PST by Digger (If RINO is your selection, then failure is your election)
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To: Lakeshark
I am not a pacifist by any stretch (nor am I a Canadian, BTW). I've opposed the war in Iraq for more than four years now -- on principled grounds ("pre-emptive warfare" is a crock of crap in this context when it is carried out against a country like Iraq and not carried out against radical Islamic countries like Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Pakistan, etc.), on political grounds (I could see the recent/current political mess over this one coming from a mile away), and on military grounds (I knew four years ago that the U.S. government didn't have a plan in place to invade and occupy Iraq).

In addition, all of the comments you -- and anyone else -- have made about the dangers of being "overrun by the Islamic faith" should be held up in the proper context to sum up the mess in Iraq perfectly. Allow me to cite a couple of direct quotes from a document that some people might recognize as the new Iraqi Constitution -- which was adopted in October 2005 and now stands as the law of the land as a result of our idiotic nation-building exercise.

Section I (Fundamental Principles)

Article 2
Islam is the official religion of the State and it is a fundamental source of legislation . . . No law that contradicts the established provisions of Islam may be established.

Section II (Rights and Liberties)

Article 22
Work is a right for all Iraqis so as to guarantee them a decent living.

Article 30
The state guarantee to the individual and the family -- especially children and women -- social and health security and the basic requirements for leading a free and dignified life. The state also ensures the above a suitable income and appropriate housing . . . The State guarantees the social and health security to Iraqis in cases of old age, sickness, employment disability, homelessness, orphanage or unemployment, and shall work to protect them from ignorance, fear and poverty. The State shall provide them housing and special programs of care and rehabilitation. This will be organized by law.

. . .

So there you have it. If having the United States send several hundred thousand troops halfway around the world in 1990 to restore a royal family to one throne (Kuwait) and protect a second royal family on another one (Saudi Arabia) didn't make you cynical, then I would hope that having 3,000+ Americans lose their lives for the express purpose of establishing an Islamic state -- and a Marxist one at that -- in the Middle East would do the trick for you.

192 posted on 01/08/2007 11:35:27 AM PST by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: Wuli
two few to impede a RINO-Dim majority.
Bingo!!!
The RP has become the RINO party. There is no longer any meaningful difference between the RP and the DP.

We never abandoned the mission in Afghanistan
Nonsense. The Taliban has made a comeback. Osama BinLaden is still free in Afghanistan. None of the improvements to the standard of living we promised the Afghani have been delivered. You call that mission accomplished?

All wars are one by one party - the party that remains committed to winning and committed to the investment needed to back that goal.
Wars are won by destroying the enemy. Everything else is BS.
Invading Iraq was a stupid blunder. We won in Afghanistan when the CIA was running the war. The CIA was doing a great job fighting a twentyfirst century war. The Bush Administration wanted the "shock and awe" of our mighty twentieth century military machine demonstrated to the world.
The result? We are losing the ground the CIA won.
193 posted on 01/08/2007 11:39:47 AM PST by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: Teacher317
But Pres Bush's major failures (in the eyes of the "far right") certainly were not a part of that "deal"... failing to enforce immigration laws and protect the border... signing CFR, even after ackowledging that it may be unConstitutional... failing to support conseravtives over Republican incumbents in November... not opposing the liberal lies regarding Iraq... I can see the immense budget bloat being part of the deal, but the rest certainly is not.

Every small bone given to conservatives was offset by bigger bones to the liberal opposition. Include the Dubai ports & Harriet Meirs & Bubba with papa Bush.

194 posted on 01/08/2007 11:44:27 AM PST by Digger (If RINO is your selection, then failure is your election)
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To: jmaroneps37

many heartfelt thanks for absolute truth of your post!! But should we call this sanctimonious nonvoting group of idiots 'conservative' or retain that noble label for voters only and call the nonvoters just useless and braindead !?!


195 posted on 01/08/2007 11:45:42 AM PST by righteousindignation
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To: OldFriend
I don't see this being reversed any time soon. The Dems have a lot of safe incumbents coming up in the 2008 Senate races and I don't see the House flipping back without a strong Presidential candidate, and one hasn't emerged yet.
196 posted on 01/08/2007 11:48:40 AM PST by colorado tanker
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To: kevao
Are you talking about not voting Republican, or not securing the border?

Based on the level of snarkiness in your answer, I will assume that you didn't vote Republican, and that you're just beginning to figure out how badly you have screwed up.

That said, if you want the border secured, go ask Speaker Pelosi and Majority Leader Reid to do so.

197 posted on 01/08/2007 11:52:59 AM PST by BeHoldAPaleHorse (Dyslexics of the world, UNTIE!)
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To: OldFriend

That's funny, I thought elections were expressly about getting our governance to be what we want it to be.


198 posted on 01/08/2007 11:54:19 AM PST by Teacher317
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To: mugs99

You aren't going to get any of the things you say you want with the dems in charge... and with their penchant for changing the rules, we'll be lucky if the GOP is ever in charge again.


199 posted on 01/08/2007 11:55:06 AM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Wuli

Did you catch Souter and Scalia on C-Span Saturday? Very interesting debate. Those two are as far apart as the FR and the DU.


200 posted on 01/08/2007 11:56:01 AM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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