Skip to comments.Population shift likely to boost GOP
Posted on 01/08/2007 4:08:59 PM PST by Clintonfatigued
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Good news ping!
people keep thinking this, but then all you hear (from many posters here) is how the new "transplants" are bringing their politics with them.
I hear it on FR from people in texas, north carolina, colorado, virginia, new hampshire, the dakotas and montant, etc. So tell me, which states are getting more conservative?
No GOP advantage until after the next census in 2010...Maybe in 2012?
Correction, the population boost thanks to more amnesty for illegal immigrants coming soon in the U.S. will benefit leftist politics forever! Good-bye U.S.A., and good-bye conservatism very soon! Grrr!
...Nevada, Arizona. Why is it that the disease of liberalism spreads so quickly?
Abortion is an idea that affects both.
Well, let's hope, because otherwise the Democrats will have the sheeple so used to the socialized programs that we won't see a Republican majority for many decades.
And, of course, we need to hope this Democrat majority doesn't involve itself with "redistricting" in clever ways to overcome some of this population shift.
(That is, I'm adding NV and AZ to your list. The Dems see these as swing states by 2008.)
"I'd prefer to win on ideas, but I'll take a victory where I can get it."
Why does that matter you ask? Because if amnesty passes this congress as I suspect it will and is signed by a willing accomplice in the white house we will have a huge population shift to the blue states. That will mean redistricting as a result of the 2010 census. It will also mean a major shift in the electoral college and a lock on the white house and legislatures by the democrats.
That is only the tip of the iceberg. Most Latins hold vastly radical ideas far to the left of most "progressive" democrats. The US will shift far to the left as is happening in the rest of Latin America. Most Latin Americans are highly class conscious and identify themselves as the have nots, they have nothing but resentment for the wealthy and productive sector and will vote in any government that promises redistribution of wealth.
How do I know these things? Because I came from there (yes I'm an immigrant, a legal one), I speak the language and I converse with my fellow hispanics the neighborhood where I live which has an abundance of Mexicans, Salvadoreans and Ecuadorians. This country is on the verge of radical change and that threat is closer and more immediate than some can imagine.
Bend over and kiss our GOP goodbye..
Truly terrifying. I guess their vaunted Catholicism is not really so. I do not understand how my fellow Catholics can be so left.
Where SoCal goes to retire. Beats me why they bring their failed ideas with them.
The Democrats have aborted many of their potential base and commit most of the vote fraud to make up the difference.
Where SoCal goes to retire. Beats me why they bring their failed ideas with them.
Atleast now we should focus on electing GOP'ers who actually HAVE ideas.
That population shift will be overwhelmed by the other population shift that is occurring and will accelerate exponentially when the Republicans and the Democrats get their coveted Amnesty passed and signed, in whatever form.
"Catholicism"? Catholicism is Latin America is closer to the "liberation theology" variety, mixed in with Santeria and a whole bunch of other practices like "Curanderismo". It was tolerated by the church for a long time so they could report back to Rome how many new catholics were being brought to the church. If you are a mainstream catholic brought up in the Italian or Irish or Polish tradition of Europe you would not recognize a modern Latin American service, some things will look familiar. The sermon, though sprinkled with mentions of Christ would seem like a Christianized version of Lenin.
garbage in, garbage out...
The problem upcoming is the Latino "transplants." That makes all those calculations about population shifts from some states to other states and about the fecundity of southern and Christian females irrelevant to anything real. 70-100 million new Latinos will vote for the PRI's closest thing here which would be the Democrats. The kicker is that the Mexican contingent will also continue to vote in Mexico
The overt insanity of Pelosi and her gang of traitors will do more to boost the GOP in the coming hours and days and months.
see #13 and #24
see #13 and #24
And only to be negated by the votes of recent immigrants, both legal and illegal.
Same thought here. New Hampshire used to be reliably conservative, but liberals moving there from Vermont and Mass. (to escape high taxes, what irony) have moved it to at least a toss up, if not fairly blue state.
The conclusions reached in this article could be true if liberal blue staters move to red states and are interspersed among many heavily conservative districts. In that case, the population shift would lead to more congressional seats for the red state without necessarily impacting the heavily conservative districts.
Also, it's a probably the case that many people with the means pick up and move to a southern (red) state would be those wanting to escape the high taxes of blue states -- which means they might lean conservative to begin with. Otherwise, they'd be delighted to stay in blue states and pay out the nose for all their beloved government programs.
Why are so many politicians asleep at the wheel when it comes to this disaster that's truly coming this way with the influx of the illegal immigration population, and what truly can be done to fully wake up everyone-and I mean everyone who truly is law abiding-to what's coming to the U.S. very soon?
"people keep thinking this, but then all you hear (from many posters here) is how the new "transplants" are bringing their politics with them."
Its kind of like Nevada. People who hate California politics are moving to Nevada. Only thing is they are bringing their politics with them, and it was those politics that screwed up California in the first place.
Contrary to what many of us think, the only people who "foam at the mouth" on the issue of illegal immigration are conservatives.
I think we CAN win on Both~ The question is: will we decide to (or blather into liberal obscurity pandering to the media, and leftists)..
It has been my experience that people show up to the polls for two basic reasons, both have an emotional element to them. One is the pocketbook, the other is simply fear. Both of these triggers must be used in the coming months as tools to oppose amnesty. But it cannot be just a conservative movement, we must ally ourselves with people who have a common ulterior motive in fighting this battle and we may find that some of our best allies in this matter will turn out to be far to the left of us.
People seem to forget that conservatism is a movement, NOT a political party and as long as both parties are beholden to special corporate and other interests they will not be listening to us until we are knocking at their doors and flooding the mailboxes with tons of snailmail in which citizens will have invested a 39 cent stamp and actually took the time to write something original. Emails and faxes are a waste of time and politicians long ago decided to ignore them. Pull up in front of their office with a truckload of mail and they will know there is an angry electorate out there.
You could not be more right. The only chance we have left is to defeat the coming amnesty. I don't have a clue how it can be done but it is the last chance for this country.
see my post #34
I guess our only recourse is to pray that amnesty doesn't pass. It will take an act of God to stop it.
However, they do want generations of entitlements, and as long as we let the left lure them in with promises of never having to work, we'll never get them to vote their conscience on social matters.
Texas is still fairly conservative, but Austin, Dallas, and Houston are lost forever. I think Austin could be "Paris" west. Instead of the peso for pizza, it might be the Euro. In Houston, you can drive for miles and never see an English sign other than road signs. It's either Vietnamese or Spanish. They are all Dems.
No GOP advantage until Bush is a vague memory.
"The vast middle class that is fast disappearing."
Where is this "disappearance" coming from. Are there facts to support your thesis? I submit that home ownership is at an all time high. That's middle class for the most part. More people own stocks then ever before; that too is middle class.
The fact is that class is a matter of class consciousness and self definition. Are blue collar workers members of the middle class?
Regarding stock ownership, we can quibble the fact that mutual funds have separated the owners from the means of production. What good is ownership if you have no say in policy or what goes on?
As Einstein once said, everyhting is relative.
**Ongoing population shifts from the North to the Sun Belt states will benefit Republicans more than Democrats in future House races and could enlarge the Republican Party's electoral count in presidential elections, political analysts say. **
So let's get more Republicans in every section of the U. s.
** It forecasts a loss of House seats in Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, New York, Ohio, Missouri, Iowa and Louisiana, gains of one seat each in Florida, Georgia, Arizona, Nevada and Utah, and a gain of two seats in Texas.
Another analysis shows an even larger "probable" shift of House seats from the North to the Sun Belt, according to Polidata, a Virginia-based demographic and political research firm.
Under these "probable changes," 13 seats could shift among 19 states, with eight gainers and 11 losers. "All the gainers are in the South and West and all the losers are in the East and Midwest except Louisiana," the Polidata study said.
Leading the "biggest gainers" would be Texas, with four additional seats. Polidata projects gains of two seats each in Florida and Arizona and one each in Georgia, Utah, Nevada, Oregon and Washington.
The biggest losers would be New York and Ohio, with two seats each. Massachusetts, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Illinois, Minnesota, Iowa, Missouri and Louisiana each would lose one.
Because each state's electoral votes are based on its representation in Congress, the shift in House seats to the Sun Belt regions, where Republicans are strongest in presidential elections, would mean increased clout in the Electoral College, too.
"Overall, given a 2004 electoral vote of 286 [for President] Bush to 252 [for Sen. John] Kerry, the vote count based upon these 2010 projections would have been 292 Bush, 246 Kerry, a gain of six for the Republican ticket," Polidata's report said.**
Some more statistics from the story.
Actually Catholicism in South and Latin America is growing to be extremely orthodox.
This full response truly needs to be the story that's discussed in another thread and as soon as possible! The upcoming problems with the increasing influx of illegal immigrants alone-and I mean all of the upcoming problems as they relate to illegal immigrants-truly need to be front and center! All of the '08 GOP Presidential candidates must also fully respond to the best of abilities to all of this "upcoming damage" to this country! bttt!
--Correction, the population boost thanks to more amnesty for illegal immigrants coming soon in the U.S. will benefit leftist politics forever! Good-bye U.S.A., and good-bye conservatism very soon! Grrr!--
Not necessarily, if many of the immigrants bring their traditional family values (such as Catholicism) with them.
Others with good business skills, such as many Vietnamese immigrants, tend to lean GOP.
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