Posted on 01/08/2007 5:47:50 PM PST by Sam Cree
So why did you argue my point if it is so well-known?
Get over yourself.
And I do find it hilarious that someone one a conservative forum, who purports to be a conservative, would be so in love with a Communist.
"Two main sorts of people tend to hate Hemingway: (1) women, and (2) artsy-fartsy limp-wristed types who need to destroy the Hemingway myth in order to promote their own introspective, verbose garbage."
I was referring to the man's work, not the man himself. Yes?
I didn't say it was good. LOL It shows what a shallow and cruel man Ernie was. He bit the hand of most of them that helped him to get where he was. (Gertrude Stein comes to mind) He was overbearing and rude also but one hell of a writer in my opinion.
Fair enough, I guess. But even so it's not true.
Hemingway was most promoted in our generation by English school teachers -- who tend to be women and/or limp-wristed artsy-fartsy types.
(And he was certainly championed by such in his early to mid-career.)
Also, there is a school of thought that says Hemingway is/was very popular with homosexuals precisely because of his "manly men."
And some academics claim that homosexuality is one of the themes of his works -- especially his short stories.
Hemingway himself worried about appealing to homosexuals too much, supposedly.
Your generation is which, exactly?
Was that really an issue back then? I thought this particular pollution problem was a relatively recent phenomenon.
Anybody over forty and under a hundred got Hemingway in their HS curriculum.
No doubt, but the way Hemingway is taught is not standard by any stretch of the imagination. I'm Gen X. Hemingway's work was introduced to me in high school in a positive, though unenthusiastic, manner. In college and in graduate school, his work was marginalized and reviled. I found those who marginalized and reviled Hemingway were typically (1) women, and (2) limp-wristed artist wannabes who need to tear others down in order to build themselves up.
I finally read a few of Hemingway's books, because...well...they're often referred to, and I thought I should. I thought The Old Man and the Sea was pretty good. On the other hand, I almost didn't make it through A Farewell to Arms.
He had his own writing style, and I like and respect that, even if his isn't a style I'd ever want to emulate. But he had NO understanding of women, to the point where the women characters he writes are so unbelievable that it's painful to read. I'm not sure he ever understood people in general, for that matter.
And, for what it's worth, I don't think his male characters come across as "macho". Many just come across as misogynist creeps.
Well, if you had been born just a few years earlier you would have seen these same types extolling him as the greatest writer ever.
By the way, Hemingway consciously wrote "for women." Even in his day women were still the primary purchasers of books.
Apropro of the post feminist take on Hemingway, I don't know if you saw this from a couple of months ago:
Why Hemingway Is Chick-Lit -- In These Times
http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/2780/
You seem hell-bent on proving Hemingway was a latent fag, or at least a major sissy. What's your deal?
Huh?
I'm just telling you what others said about him. I don't really care one way or the other.
But, as a "Hemingway expert," you should be aware of such things.
Especially when you claim that homosexuals hate him.
And apparently you didn't read the article I linked to. Just the headline.
Typical.
"In college and in graduate school, his work was marginalized and reviled. I found those who marginalized and reviled Hemingway were typically (1) women, and (2) limp-wristed artist wannabes who need to tear others down in order to build themselves up.
By the way, the article at the top of this thread was written by an English professor who writes poetry.
"Was that really an issue back then?"
I don't really know if fish had mercury in them back then, or if anyone knows how they get it in them in the first place, or even if Hemingway ate tons of them. IMO the real problem was drinking tonnes of alcohol.
"IMO the real problem was drinking tonnes of alcohol."
That and mental illness (bi-polar), which ran rampant through his family unfortunately.
I never claimed to be an expert, just an admirer of the man's literature. And there's no need to post to me three times when one post will do. I did read the article you posted---several months ago, I believe. It's not like you discovered anything new.
Hemingway was/is a polarizing figure, who, like most great artists, had/has his admirers and detractors. And I don't believe you one bit when you say you really don't care one way or the other---you seem to take particular joy in presenting all of his detractor's opinions.
Go fart in another church, man. I'm done with you.
How did Hemingway's children get along in life, do you know? I know there were a couple grandchildren who were actresses.
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