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U.S. Muslim Writer Agitates for Citizens to Disarm -- JPFO Fires Back
JPFO ^ | 1/8/07 | The Liberty Crew

Posted on 01/10/2007 8:24:49 AM PST by kiriath_jearim

Another “think tank,” this one called the Institute for Social Policy and Understanding (ISPU), has come out for total civilian disarmament and repeal of the Second Amendment.

What’s new about that? ISPU is openly pro-Muslim, and the ISPU writer is a criminal defense attorney who argues for repealing parts of the Bill of Rights.

You can read the whole article, entitled “In the Fight Against Terrorism, Some Rights Must Be Repealed,” by Junaid Afeef, on the ISPU website:

http://www.ispu.us/pages/articles/2914/articleDetailPB.html

A JPFO supporter sent us the link, and we did read the article, looking for:

a. Inaccurate “facts” b. Missing data and support for factual claims c. Tricks in shifting the context or changing the subject d. Statements of opinion presented as though they were unquestionable facts e. Insults, innuendoes and smears f. Key facts or considerations that are totally ignored g. Logic errors

We found many errors, fallacies, propaganda tricks, and an outright lie or two. When you read the piece, see how many you can find.

Or – you can go directly to our analysis and response to the article, entitled “A Muslim Writer Tells America: Drop Your Guns and Give Up" at www.jpfo.org/dropguns.pdf

We take the ISPU article apart, paragraph by paragraph. Some of the points may be familiar to you, but there are a few new twists.

Do we expect to convince ISPU or Mr. Afeef of the errors of their position? Not really. We are publishing a response so that gun owners and rights supporters can keep their intellectual guns polished and powder dry.

The enemies of the Bill of Rights come in all flavors. We can never rest, thinking that we have answered all of their challenges.

Let us know what you think after reading our response.

The Liberty Crew


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To: Centurion2000

Battle of Vienna 1683: The Turks lost about 15,000 men in the fighting, compared to approximately 4,000 for the Habsburg-Polish forces. Where is Leopold I when we need him?


41 posted on 01/10/2007 10:33:19 AM PST by 3AngelaD (ic.)
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To: JZelle
Same as hunting...Don't want to throw good money out the window! Nice thing about .223, cheap and fun, and a flat fast shooter(reaches out and touches a good long way). Stops coyotes, ground squirrels, etc, and according to rumor Al quaida.>270 or 30-06 is good for long haul too. They are popular ammo like a Chevy or Ford is a popular heavy work vehicle. Having access to lots of useableammunition is always important.

I love my 22's for target, price doesn't break up a person either. Keeps me in weekly practice and firearms handling, and, to keep respect up for how powerful even a small weapon is.


12 gauge only? No better house protector!

Most important! If you have children, they need to learn about guns and safety! Ignorance and dumb TV kills.
42 posted on 01/10/2007 10:37:40 AM PST by Issaquahking (Trust can't be bought)
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To: JZelle
12 gauge and .22 will be very useful if it comes to having to hunt to put meat on the table WTSHTF, and a short barrelled 12 is the best home defense wepon there is, IMNSHO. Stock up on lots of .22 and various 12-gauge ammo...#6 and #4 buck for hunting, 00/000 and slugs for human predators. A good hunting rifle in a solid deer/elk caliber is a good idea as well.

However, those weapons aren't going to do a whole lot of good if you want to keep those human predators at distance more than about 30 yards away from you. A semi-auto rifle in a common military caliber (5.56, 7.62x39, 7.62x51, .30-06) is probably the best way to go. There are a lot of opinions of which is better, the smaller 5.56mm because it's higher velocity and you can carry more ammo, or the .30/7.62x51 rifles (my preference) because they have better range, maintain their stopping power at long ranges, can punch through cover that would stop the smaller 5.56, etc. That's a matter for you to decide for yourself...but it's a lot of fun doing the research.

As far as pistols go, the most important thing to remember is that a handgun is a last ditch defense weapon. Forget the movie stuff about picking off a bad guy at 50 yards with a snub nosed revolver or Colt Peacemaker. Any cop will tell you that most shootings take place at ranges less than 7 yards. Get a big 'un, with plenty of stopping power to knock that bad guy on his a** so he can't close those last 7 yards and do some damage to you. Personally, I like .45 ACP, .357 and really want to get a .40 SW. IMNSHO, one of the dumbest things the Army did while I was in boots was going to that 9mm mopuse gun over the good ol' M1911a1 .45ACP.

Revolver vs. auto loader is a matter of personal preference. Revolvers are mechanically simpler and less prone to jamming and failures, but generally autoloaders have greater ammo capacity and can put more lead downrange faster. Of course, 15 rounds from a Glock 9mm mouse gun won't do you any good if you don't hit your target, and a single, well-placed .357 Winchester Silvertip 158-grain bullet can drop a scumbag in his tracks...but you have to choose for yourself.

Finally, get pleanty of ammo for all weapons; keep 1000 rounds or more on hand for each rifle you have, and 500 or more for each pistol and shotgun. Additionally, get enough ammo to get proficient with each weapons, 'cause the baddest M-1A or FAL isn't going to do you a bit of good if you can't hit squat with it farther than 100 yards out.

All this can obviously get quite spendy, so you'll have to prioritize for yourself which you get first. Just don't get the weapon without the ammo. Each pistol should have a holster and each rifle a sling, 'cause if you don't have a way to easily carry your weapon(s), you'll set it down, and not have it when you need it. Cleaning supplies, spare mags and speed loaders and spare parts kits are all good ideas as well.

It's not cheap to get all this...I've collected mine over a period of several years, and there's still stuff I'd feel better if I had. But like they say, too many guins still ain't enough. Enjoy your research!

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

43 posted on 01/10/2007 10:39:14 AM PST by wku man (Claire Wolfe's "awkward time" is quickly coming to an end!)
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
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44 posted on 01/10/2007 10:39:25 AM PST by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do!)
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
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45 posted on 01/10/2007 10:39:26 AM PST by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do!)
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To: steve-b
Noticed that...

Another degree on the frog pot.

46 posted on 01/10/2007 10:40:36 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be.)
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To: Joe Brower
"Yet another reminder to never give up your guns. Never."

Amen, bro.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

47 posted on 01/10/2007 10:43:52 AM PST by wku man (Claire Wolfe's "awkward time" is quickly coming to an end!)
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To: sean327
If he ever does answer I will post the reply on this thread.

He will never answer. Why not just post your fisking now?

48 posted on 01/10/2007 10:53:04 AM PST by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 97-103)
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To: JZelle
One other thing...a great reference is Boston's Gun Bible. Lots of good info and wisdom, especially if you're a new or relatively new shooter.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

49 posted on 01/10/2007 10:53:58 AM PST by wku man (Claire Wolfe's "awkward time" is quickly coming to an end!)
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50 posted on 01/10/2007 10:54:35 AM PST by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 97-103)
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To: kiriath_jearim; All
Must be a UN member; they have been trying to do this to us for years.
51 posted on 01/10/2007 10:59:01 AM PST by unionblue83 (Note to Dems:"Americans love a winner. Americans will not tolerate a loser." -Gen. Patton)
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To: nobody in particular

any significance to '9:29'?

52 posted on 01/10/2007 11:02:58 AM PST by SGCOS
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To: kiriath_jearim
Quite frankly, the idea of the citizenry rising up against the U.S. government with their handguns and assault rifles, and facing the military with these personal arms is absurd. The Branch Davidian tragedy at Waco, Texas, was one such futile attempt.

Who did the Branch Davidians attack? Who attacked them for exercising their Second Amendment rights?

Hmmm?

53 posted on 01/10/2007 11:07:49 AM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Move_Zig

Howdy!


54 posted on 01/10/2007 11:11:57 AM PST by jjm2111 (http://www.purveryors-of-truth.blogspot.com)
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To: kiriath_jearim

When pigs fly over your mosque buddy.


55 posted on 01/10/2007 11:14:06 AM PST by dforest (Liberals love crisis, create crisis and then dwell on them.)
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To: sean327
I e-mailed this clown 2 days ago

Well, what's his email address, so we can all send him a love letter?
56 posted on 01/10/2007 11:14:23 AM PST by Beckwith (The dhimmicrats and liberal media have chosen sides and they've sided with the Jihadists.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Try to get this one past the NRA association.


57 posted on 01/10/2007 11:15:16 AM PST by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation.)
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To: 3AngelaD
We can't afford to PO the Muslims so we had better turn in our firearms. They will appreciate us that much more if we do this. They are also concerned for our safety.

I wonder how many Democrats and RINO's are going to be in quick agreement.

58 posted on 01/10/2007 11:25:02 AM PST by oyez (Why is it that egalitarians act like royalty?)
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To: 3AngelaD

It is not just that. The whole bill of rights is incompatible with islam.

But more importantly, islam is utterly incompatible with the bill of rights.


59 posted on 01/10/2007 11:26:23 AM PST by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Nazism was in 1938.)
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To: SGCOS

9:29 in Koran calls for the killing of non-Muslims.

Here is an URL :

http://www.wvinter.net/~haught/Koran.html


60 posted on 01/10/2007 11:35:17 AM PST by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation.)
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