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School meal is poor substitute for home-cooked involvement
The Seattle Times ^ | 1/11/07 | Bruce Ramsey

Posted on 01/11/2007 12:57:52 PM PST by goodnesswins

The social-service industry thinks otherwise. One of its principal lobbies, the Children's Alliance, paid a visit to The Seattle Times the other day to promote its proposals for the Legislature — a Legislature likely to be favorable. One of the group's proposals was that the state should pay for a free lunch to kids from families in the $26,000-to-$37,000 income bracket for a family of four. These kids have been offered a lunch that is reduced in price but not free.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Miscellaneous; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: breakfast; education; lunch; schools
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The continued creeping of socialism through the education system
1 posted on 01/11/2007 12:57:54 PM PST by goodnesswins
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To: goodnesswins

We had outstanding lunches when I was in school because our mothers would volunteer to cook in the cafeteria. Of course, this made it difficult to eat what you wanted with your mother in control of the menu :(


2 posted on 01/11/2007 1:03:49 PM PST by AZRepublican ("The degree in which a measure is necessary can never be a test of the legal right to adopt it.")
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To: goodnesswins

Makes you wonder when congress will mandate free breakfast and lunch for minimum wage workers.


3 posted on 01/11/2007 1:06:30 PM PST by politicalwit (Freedom doesn't mean a Free Pass.)
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To: goodnesswins

Food, wages, lifestyles are all replacing individual freedom as "rights."


4 posted on 01/11/2007 1:09:44 PM PST by Sax
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To: Tired of Taxes; Gabz

ping


5 posted on 01/11/2007 1:12:13 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: goodnesswins

I make my kids lunches now, at least 4 out of the 5 days of the week. They weren't eating the school lunches, and this way I can control what they are eating, and the portions. Plus I can make special things they like (like chicken quesadillas) and I know they are eating it.

And my 11 y.o. can share the Oreos with the girl he eats lunch with, lol.


6 posted on 01/11/2007 1:12:50 PM PST by eyespysomething
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To: goodnesswins

More

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1563271/posts
Healthy People 2010

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1561077/posts
Animal Tagging and SCHOOL LUNCHES???


7 posted on 01/11/2007 1:13:18 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: goodnesswins
"School meal education is poor substitute for home education cooked involvement"
8 posted on 01/11/2007 1:14:05 PM PST by Niteranger68 (The United States is a safe haven for all cultures……except its own.)
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To: goodnesswins

The leftist government would gladly take over all the responsibilities of parenting kids, and indoctrinate them against traditional values and in favor of the "values" loved by the left.


9 posted on 01/11/2007 1:14:52 PM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: RacerF150

That is easy to say when the pupils are cherry-picked. But for the other 90% of the population things are not quite so rosy.


10 posted on 01/11/2007 1:15:47 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
That is easy to say when the pupils are cherry-picked. But for the other 90% of the population things are not quite so rosy.

Maybe those folks need to work a little harder in the interest of their children.

11 posted on 01/11/2007 1:18:55 PM PST by Niteranger68 (The United States is a safe haven for all cultures……except its own.)
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To: Calpernia

AAAACHHHHHH......there are WAY TOO many people with WAY TOO MUCH TIME on their hands (and government funds!)


12 posted on 01/11/2007 1:21:21 PM PST by goodnesswins (We need to cure Academentia)
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To: Calpernia

AAAACHHHHHH......there are WAY TOO many people with WAY TOO MUCH TIME on their hands (and government funds!)


13 posted on 01/11/2007 1:21:22 PM PST by goodnesswins (We need to cure Academentia)
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To: justshutupandtakeit

Who said the home education is "rosy"?


14 posted on 01/11/2007 1:21:29 PM PST by TruthConquers (Delenda est publius schola)
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To: TruthConquers

The view that home schooling is the answer to much is rosy in the extreme.


15 posted on 01/11/2007 1:28:43 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: goodnesswins

That was a worthy double post! Truth with emphasis!


16 posted on 01/11/2007 1:31:37 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
The view that home schooling is the answer to much is rosy in the extreme.

It might have helped that sentence.

17 posted on 01/11/2007 1:34:03 PM PST by RedQuill
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To: Calpernia
Good piece, thanks for the ping.

It is also one more example of government helping families by relieving them of their jobs.

I do not need the government to do my job.

Sometimes my daughter has breakfast at home, sometimes at school. The same with lunch. At this time of the year I like that she can get a hot lunch at school, but somedays she just prefers bringing a sandwich and whatever kind of goodies she can convince me or daddy to put in her lunch box!!!!

18 posted on 01/11/2007 1:41:34 PM PST by Gabz (If we weren't crazy, we'd just all go insane.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit

I believe that the poster just meant that just as home cooked meals are better, home education is better. The 90% that you claim that is not true for ( assuming that figure is correct) is anecdotal.

People who homeschool choose to do so. I guess that is cherry picking to you, but not to those parents that make that choice. It can be an answer to those who wish to make that sacrifice. But that sacrifice is not "rosy". The outcome has a better chance for those who make it work.

It seems that, that choice is too rosy for you. So be it.
It may not be true for others.

Do you think that schools should be in the business of taking over the parenting of children by this policy of encroachment of parental duties? (i.e. school lunches?)


19 posted on 01/11/2007 1:42:27 PM PST by TruthConquers (Delenda est publius schola)
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To: RedQuill

The sentence is quite clear. Even a publicly schooled child could understand it.


20 posted on 01/11/2007 1:42:34 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: politicalwit

Makes you wonder when congress will mandate free breakfast and lunch for minimum wage workers.



Soon, son, soon. Years ago I had a woman clean house for me. She had two children to see off to school each morning. One morning I called and she was in bed. I asked her why she was in bed, and she told me that the children were now eating breakfast in school and she didnt have to get up any more. So her 8 year old and her 11 year old got up and dressed and walked to nanny school and she slept in.

Disgusting.


21 posted on 01/11/2007 1:43:59 PM PST by Chickensoup (If you don't go to the holy war, the holy war will come to you.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
The view that home schooling is the answer to much is rosy in the extreme.

Are you saying that homeschooling isn't the answer to much?

22 posted on 01/11/2007 1:44:48 PM PST by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: TruthConquers

The fact remains that the vast majority of people cannot home school and not many SHOULD even if they could. Given the level of ignorance about subjects which need to be taught few children would receive a proper education.

Few parents can teach math, languages, grammar, history, science or any other subject which has any substance to it.

Even on FR the level of misinformation, distorted information and just plain old false information is staggering.


23 posted on 01/11/2007 1:46:10 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: goodnesswins

You said a mouthful there!!!!


24 posted on 01/11/2007 1:46:30 PM PST by Gabz (If we weren't crazy, we'd just all go insane.)
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To: Oberon

Absolutely.


25 posted on 01/11/2007 1:46:50 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit

It seems many students are NOT learning much "math, languages, grammar, history, science or any other subject which has any substance to it" in the Public Schools.....for those who would WANT to try....more power to them....they do NOT need advanced educations.....just motivation to find the resources....IMHO.


26 posted on 01/11/2007 1:50:02 PM PST by goodnesswins (We need to cure Academentia)
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To: goodnesswins

who want to try HOMESCHOOLING...that should read.


27 posted on 01/11/2007 1:50:45 PM PST by goodnesswins (We need to cure Academentia)
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To: justshutupandtakeit

Whose "fact"? Actually you claim many "facts". Where are they? Got links?

I see, your opinion stands in for "facts".


28 posted on 01/11/2007 1:52:54 PM PST by TruthConquers (Delenda est publius schola)
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To: justshutupandtakeit

Well, it's one answer to a few things.


29 posted on 01/11/2007 1:53:29 PM PST by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: goodnesswins

"It seems many students are NOT learning much "math, languages, grammar, history, science or any other subject which has any substance to it" in the Public Schools....." It seems you are completely wrong.

Perhaps you should examine the curriculums at good schools before revealing your lack of knowledge.

95%+ of our Armed Forces are public school graduates. Public education is partially responsible for this being one of the most literate, most productive societies in history.


30 posted on 01/11/2007 1:53:58 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit

I purposely did NOT say ALL..... many are falling between the dumbed down cracks of our public education system where in many schools they don't teach advanced math, true history, or require proper English....and I think you know that.....


31 posted on 01/11/2007 1:56:32 PM PST by goodnesswins (We need to cure Academentia)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
The sentence is quite clear. Even a publicly schooled child could understand it.

I'm kinda slow, so maybe you can help me out here: ...the answer to much...what?

32 posted on 01/11/2007 1:56:59 PM PST by RedQuill
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To: goodnesswins

I don't think it is just schools with horrible nutrition, just look in your own cupboards. I'm sure you could find processed foods, sodas, "fake" foods, sugary treats. This the the way of the nation.

They (and I have never quite figured out who this group of people called "they" are) say that people live longer than our ancestors...the only reason we live longer is because there are better drugs keeping us alive. Who do you know that doesn't take at least one drug to help with some medical problem?

Our food is still killing us. It is full of chemicals, antibiotics, and hormones.


33 posted on 01/11/2007 1:57:08 PM PST by CANBFORGIVEN (! Corinthians 2:14)
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To: CANBFORGIVEN

LOL.....LOOK in MY cupboards.....we eat like about 3% of the population.....you probably wouldn't believe it....but, I agree that the food many people eat is less than stellar.....and I predict as others have that the next generation will NOT live longer than this one....with its current eating style.


34 posted on 01/11/2007 1:59:23 PM PST by goodnesswins (We need to cure Academentia)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Few parents can teach math, languages, grammar, history, science or any other subject which has any substance to it.

And the schools which failed to give them the tools to teach 'subjects with any substance' can teach their kids? Hah! And some education major whose one math class was "math for teachers" can do a better job?

35 posted on 01/11/2007 2:00:02 PM PST by JenB
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To: TruthConquers
Did you sleep through the last election where ignorance was on parade? Are you UNaware that 75-80% of Black children are born out of wedlock which is about as stupid a thing as a person can do?

Have you stumbled onto a massively educated society no one else knows of?

How many FReepers even have read the classics of Western thought? How many have read even ONE complete Platonic dialog or a work by Aristotle? How many can solve an equation or work with triganometric functions, calculate the results of a chemical reaction, explain the progression of the equinoxes. How many can explain the creation of the Constitution and the forces at work there?
36 posted on 01/11/2007 2:00:47 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: Oberon

It is a false solution to real problems.


37 posted on 01/11/2007 2:01:15 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
It is a false solution to real problems.

Oh?

It works for my family.

Have you tried it?

38 posted on 01/11/2007 2:02:30 PM PST by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: goodnesswins

Those schools under seige by the underclass and its advocates have great difficulties (none of which HS will solve) but the vast majority of schools have a number of advanced placement courses as well as advanced courses in sciences, courses in languages. Most homeschool advocates wave their inability to teach such courses off with a "well they can take it from a junior college" which begs the question.

My children went to private and public schools and any failings in their educations were their faults not those of the schools. I attended public school in southern Arkansas and had an excellent preparation for college. My late wife was a teacher in inner city Chicago and it became clear that the GREATEST problem with children getting educated was their PARENT (it was rare to find parents) not the schools.


39 posted on 01/11/2007 2:06:47 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: Oberon

It works for some students because of the PARENTS. In the vast majority of those cases the child would have done very well in the schools as long as the parents were involved.

My children are grown.


40 posted on 01/11/2007 2:08:23 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
It is a false solution to real problems.

I wonder why increasingly more people are doing it. They must be really dumb to fall for this false solution of homeschooling. I'll bet their kids do really poorly, having been taught by dumb people. There are probably some statistics out there that show how poorly home-schooled kids do in college, etc.

In case you missed it: /sarc.

41 posted on 01/11/2007 2:11:38 PM PST by RedQuill
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To: justshutupandtakeit
"I attended public school in southern Arkansas and had an excellent preparation for college."

Well, yes....you are 58 years old......and I agree Parents are a very big part of success in a childs education, which is WHY HOMESCHOOLERS usually are very successful, because they are VERY involved. I have various relatives who are in public schools....getting straight A's.....whose spelling is atrocious, and who are rewarded for their mediocrity....I'm not impressed with Public Schools for a reason.....I also was the CHAIR/Member of a large Community College Board.....and know how much REMEDIAL education the community colleges are doing.....public education is being sidetracked by socialism and diversity....NOT IN TOTAL, but enough to make it a different "cookie" than when you and I went to public schools.

42 posted on 01/11/2007 2:12:21 PM PST by goodnesswins (We need to cure Academentia)
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To: JenB

"And the schools which failed to give them the tools to teach 'subjects with any substance' can teach their kids?" This is rarely the case. The real objection to Public schools for most is not that they do not teach but WHAT they teach.

"And some education major whose one math class was "math for teachers" can do a better job?" Such a statement indicates that you do not know anything about math teachers to begin with. Most are very well trained in mathematics FAR more so than would-be home schoolers.


43 posted on 01/11/2007 2:13:29 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit

It's quite a myth that the "vast majority" of people "cannot" homeschool.

The most convincing story I ever read was right here on FR. A grandma volunteered in her granddaughter's 3rd grade class. One week the teacher asked grandma to teach remedial reading to a couple of students. Grandma protested that she didn't know how to teach reading. The teacher replied, oh, every page has instructions you can read on what the child should do. Just guide the student through that and you'll do fine. After grandma taught those kids to read in a few weeks, she decided to homeschool her grandchildren.

Anyone who can read and write at a passable level can homeschool.

The parents' failings, for lack of a better word, can have the same effect whether or not the child is homeschooled. For example, I know two families where the parents regularly use poor grammar ("we don't have none" etc.) In one family, the children go to public school and are taught correct grammar. In the other family, the children go to homeschool and are taught, by virtue of the language arts books they use, correct grammar. All the parents still say "we don't have none," but the public-schooled children also say "we don't have none," regardless of what they have been taught in school, and the homeschooled children say "we don't have any" b/c they go on what their books say is correct.


44 posted on 01/11/2007 2:16:35 PM PST by wouldntbprudent (If you can: Contribute more (babies) to the next generation of God-fearing American Patriots!)
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To: justshutupandtakeit

It's quite baseless to dismiss all homeschooling as ineffective, just as it is baseless to dismiss all public schooling as ineffective.

If you actually believe that most people who are homeschooling "shouldn't" be doing so (your word), that's astounding.

My children are receiving a world-class education and I am providing it.


45 posted on 01/11/2007 2:21:12 PM PST by wouldntbprudent (If you can: Contribute more (babies) to the next generation of God-fearing American Patriots!)
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To: justshutupandtakeit

Homeschooling works for most students who try it. Very few students do not become educated, even as you define it, when they are educated at home.


46 posted on 01/11/2007 2:23:10 PM PST by wouldntbprudent (If you can: Contribute more (babies) to the next generation of God-fearing American Patriots!)
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To: justshutupandtakeit

I have a degree in computer science and a minor in mathematics. My husband is a mechanical engineer. Between us we've had more math than most math teachers in public school. Heck, either of us has probably had more math. When we have kids, will we be less suited to teach them than some 'education professional'?

If you think so, then explain my and my husband's succesful highly-skilled careers. We are both products of homeschooling...


47 posted on 01/11/2007 2:24:38 PM PST by JenB
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Such a statement indicates that you do not know anything about math teachers to begin with.

Oh, that is the funniest thing I have heard all day. I used to date an Ed major. Math education courses are a joke.
48 posted on 01/11/2007 2:29:09 PM PST by TalonDJ
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To: justshutupandtakeit
You, sir, are filled with your own self-importance.

These were my questions:

Whose "fact"? Actually you claim many "facts". Where are they? Got links?

I see, your opinion stands in for "facts".

Tsk, tsk. You spew your opinions around, tinged with a touch of arrogance. But you fail to even present you case with facts or links.

And I'm supposed to be impressed with your verbiage? Ha! Any thinking Freeper can see through you for your lack of "facts". It certainly does not convince me to take you seriously.

Have a nice day.

49 posted on 01/11/2007 2:33:53 PM PST by TruthConquers (Delenda est publius schola)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
I attended public school in southern Arkansas and had an excellent preparation for college.

Must have been a long time back. When I attended public school in Arkansas the schools were so worthless my mother pulled me and my siblings out and home-schooled us all. My sister, at the time of being removed from public school, had the goals in life of wanting to be a cheerleader and a waitress. Within a year of being at home for school she wanted to be a pilot and an astronaut. She got as far as being a Marine combat pilot. She decided to forgo the astronaut part so she could start a family and homeschool her own kids. Along the way she got an engineering degree from a top university.
50 posted on 01/11/2007 2:35:06 PM PST by TalonDJ
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