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Carter critics stifle Middle East debate
Capital Times ^ | 1-11-07 | John Nichols

Posted on 01/11/2007 6:12:16 PM PST by SJackson

There is an ugly cynicism to the attack on Jimmy Carter that has been launched by Americans who well recognize that the former president's new book, "Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid," says nothing that has not already been said about the Middle East conflict by Israeli politicians and commentators.

So why is Carter, a longtime friend of Israel and the Jewish people, being smeared as an anti-Semite for suggesting that the occupation by Israeli forces of Palestinian territory inspires troubling comparisons with the apartheid system that white South Africans once imposed on their country's black majority?

One of Israel's most prominent political figures suggests that it has a lot to do with the determination of Carter's critics to allow their emotions to trump the facts.

"The trouble is that their love of Israel distorts their judgment and blinds them from seeing what's in front of them," argues Shulamit Aloni, a veteran of Israel's war of independence who went on to serve in the Knesset and as a minister in several Israeli cabinets. "Israel is an occupying power that for 40 years has been oppressing an indigenous people, which is entitled to a sovereign and independent existence while living in peace with us."

In a defense of Carter penned for the mass-circulation Israeli newspaper Yediot Acharonot, the woman who served as former Prime Minister Yitzak Rabin's education minister wrote, "Indeed apartheid does exist here."

"The U.S. Jewish establishment's onslaught on former President Jimmy Carter is based on him daring to tell the truth which is known to all: Through its army, the government of Israel practices a brutal form of apartheid in the territory it occupies," explains Aloni. "Its army has turned every Palestinian village and town into a fenced-in, or blocked-in, detention camp. All this is done in order to keep an eye on the population's movements and to make its life difficult. Israel even imposes a total curfew whenever the settlers, who have illegally usurped the Palestinians' land, celebrate their holidays or conduct their parades."

Aloni should be reminded that the battering of Carter has as frequently come from non-Jews as Jews in the U.S. But, with that clarification, her message is one that merits serious attention from Americans who are frustrated by this country's inability to engage in a serious discussion about Middle East policy.

This does not mean that everyone must agree with Aloni's every point.

A recipient of the Israel Prize, the highest honor awarded by her country's government, the internationally respected parliamentarian has long been a critic of Israeli policies toward the Palestinians. Some will disregard her remarks for that reason. Others who respect Aloni's history may disagree with her current critique. But no one who has followed Israeli affairs can doubt that she speaks for a meaningful number of her countrymen and women when she defends Carter.

In fact, the Web site of the Israeli peace group Gush Shalom recently featured this call: "Please consider adding your voices to those who are grateful to Jimmy Carter for writing a brave and important book, 'Peace Not Apartheid.' While the media tries to blank him out, and some would cast aspersions at President Carter for being 'anti-Israel,' in fact the book offers much needed wisdom about how to support a just peace in Israel and Palestine."

Aloni and Gush Shalom certainly do not speak for all Israelis. But their response to Carter's book should be instructive for Americans.

It is not necessary to share all of Aloni's views to recognize that the veteran of the Hagana paramilitary organization has done a service not only to Carter but to all Americans who would like to see this country engage in an honest dialogue about Middle East affairs. While Israel enjoys a reasonably vibrant debate with regard to how the Jewish state should relate to Palestine, the United States suffers from a crude and dysfunctional discourse about the same question. The attacks on Jimmy Carter highlight just how ugly and dishonest that discourse has become. Perhaps that is why Shulamit Aloni's pointed response to those attacks is so important. It took an Israeli to remind us of how much more realistic the U.S. dialogue could - and should - be.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Israel
KEYWORDS: antisemite; carter; cartterlegacy; israel; kneepadbrigade; propalestinianwar; worstexpresident

1 posted on 01/11/2007 6:12:19 PM PST by SJackson
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To: SJackson

>>So why is Carter, a longtime friend of Israel and the Jewish people, being smeared as an anti-Semite...

Maybe because he IS an anti-Semite!


2 posted on 01/11/2007 6:14:56 PM PST by Nervous Tick (I've been voted "not one of Free Republic's finest")
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To: SJackson

This is some of that fake internet content that we're always being warned about, right?


3 posted on 01/11/2007 6:15:39 PM PST by concentric circles
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To: SJackson
Israel is an occupying power that for 40 years has been oppressing an indigenous people

I really think this deserves a MEGA barf-alert.

ML/NJ

4 posted on 01/11/2007 6:15:58 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
If you'd like to be on this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.

High Volume. Articles on Israel can also be found by clicking on the Topic or Keyword Israel. or WOT [War on Terror]

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5 posted on 01/11/2007 6:16:16 PM PST by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do!)
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To: SJackson

I prefer to think of them as Palestinian-occupied Israeli territories.


6 posted on 01/11/2007 6:17:51 PM PST by RichInOC (KATZ: HOW ARE YOU GENTLEMEN!! ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US. HA HA HA HA....)
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To: SJackson
Odd, Carter and Clintoon are trying to break off some people from the Southern Baptist using the "judge not" approach. But Carter sure does a lot of judging for someone that condems judging.

Judge Rightly is what the Bible says...

7 posted on 01/11/2007 6:20:32 PM PST by LowOiL (Paul wrote, "Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil" (Rom. 12:9))
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To: LowOiL
Odd, Carter and Clintoon are trying to break off some people from the Southern Baptist using the "judge not" approach. But Carter sure does a lot of judging for someone that condems judging.

They both know right wing Christians are bigots, they consider that factual, not judgement.

8 posted on 01/11/2007 6:22:16 PM PST by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do!)
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To: RichInOC
I prefer to think of them as Palestinian-occupied Israeli territories.

Yep

A Good True History Of PALESTINE

9 posted on 01/11/2007 6:23:43 PM PST by LowOiL (Paul wrote, "Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil" (Rom. 12:9))
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To: concentric circles
We have Murtha Durbin Pelosi Carter et al, Israel has this idiot woman and a few others of their own. Big deal.
10 posted on 01/11/2007 6:26:53 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: SJackson
They both know right wing Christians are bigots, they consider that factual, not judgement.

LOL< like the judgement you just pronouced?

Jesus promised his followers, "you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. And then many will be offended" (Mat. 24:9-10).

Offending unbelievers is Christlike in the deepest sense, deal with it.

11 posted on 01/11/2007 6:27:36 PM PST by LowOiL (Paul wrote, "Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil" (Rom. 12:9))
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To: SJackson

If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, I suppose it must be a peanut.


12 posted on 01/11/2007 6:28:12 PM PST by kimoajax (Rack'em & Stack'em)
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To: SJackson
What kind of CRAP article is this? You can't be a friend to Israel while at the same time pushing them to give up what is rightfully theirs. Palestine never appears in history until after 70 AD when Rome renamed it to Palestine to mock the Jewish people. the earliest text available refers to that region as Canaan. After that it was always called Israel. Carter is no friend of Israel and the article above belongs on some 3rd rate sinking site like DU.
13 posted on 01/11/2007 6:28:56 PM PST by Arcy
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To: SJackson

Hagana...still selling out after all these years.


14 posted on 01/11/2007 6:30:39 PM PST by Cincinnatus.45-70 (Patriotism to DemocRats is like sunlight to Dracula.)
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To: Nervous Tick
Israel practices a brutal form of apartheid in the territory it occupies

Yep; the same way the porcupine practices a brutally frustrating form of apartheid against the pack of wolves that surrounds it.

15 posted on 01/11/2007 6:31:25 PM PST by Migraine (...diversity is great (until it happens to you)...)
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To: SJackson

I have reported you SJackson. You're clearly a bigot with a comment like that about people of faith.


16 posted on 01/11/2007 6:31:59 PM PST by Arcy
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To: SJackson
Leftists who bitch about "stifling debate" are usually the ones who do most of the stifling. I don't recall a right-wing group ever physically assaulting a left-wing speaker on a college campus, but the reverse happens frequently.
17 posted on 01/11/2007 6:36:40 PM PST by lesser_satan (EKTHELTHIOR!!!)
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To: Arcy
I have reported you SJackson. You're clearly a bigot with a comment like that about people of faith.

LOL, I just put his quote on my FReeper page as proof for future debates.

18 posted on 01/11/2007 6:39:09 PM PST by LowOiL (Paul wrote, "Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil" (Rom. 12:9))
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To: kimoajax

Would somebody just please bust Mr. Peanut Breath right in his ugly chiclets?

No, I apologize for advocating violence against anyone, no matter how hateful his views.

Just walk up to Jimmah, before his Secret Service detail can react, and shout,

"You loser! Long live Ronald Reagan!!"


19 posted on 01/11/2007 6:39:46 PM PST by elcid1970 (`)
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To: elcid1970
Carter is a socialist from top to bottom, side to side and front to back. Our nation has been fighting socialism since WWII.
I was alive during the Carter presidency. I fully remember the sky high interest rates and double digit inflation. He was a loser as a president and he is a traitor to our country.
20 posted on 01/11/2007 6:43:42 PM PST by oldenuff2no
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To: oldenuff2no

Carter has now crossed the last line imo.


21 posted on 01/11/2007 6:45:20 PM PST by Carolinamom (Thank God that Mary and Joseph were not pro-choicers.)
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To: SJackson

oh please!

James Taranto Best of the Web (free online Wall Street Journal content) has a great report today on 14 more members of the Carter Center advisory group, resigning over the contents of that book which they say in part

"In the past you would inject yourself into this world to moderate between the two sides in the pursuit of peace and as a result you earned our admiration and support. Now you repeatedly make false claims. You wrote that UN Security Council Resolution 242 says that "Israel must withdraw from territories" (p. 38), but you know the word "must" in fact is not in the resolution. You said that since Mahmoud Abbas has been in office there have been no peace discussions. That is wrong. You wrote that Yassir Arafat told you in 1990 that, "The PLO has never advocated the annihilation of Israel" (p. 62). Given that their Charter, which explicitly calls for Israel's destruction, was not revised until the late 1990s, how could you even write such a claim as if it were credible?"

let's see the MSM report THIS!


22 posted on 01/11/2007 6:53:44 PM PST by IOWAfan (Hawkeye msg board... moral victories... let the fighting begin!)
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To: Nervous Tick
Carter is only a longtime friend of Iranian terrorists to whom he gave power
when he sacked the Shah for not giving expected payola to the DNC when it was "due".
23 posted on 01/11/2007 6:56:00 PM PST by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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self ping. The guy is a slimer.


24 posted on 01/11/2007 7:15:39 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("I've learned to live with not knowing." -- Richard Feynman https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SJackson
So why is Carter, a longtime friend of Israel and the Jewish people, being smeared as an anti-Semite for suggesting that the occupation by Israeli forces of Palestinian territory inspires troubling comparisons with the apartheid

That's far more bigotted than anything Pat Buchanan has ever said, yet he is widely considered an anti-semite by the left.

25 posted on 01/11/2007 7:43:51 PM PST by Always Right
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To: SJackson

Jimmy Crater is an anti Semite. Is that permissible to say? This idiot's plan for peace will weaken Israel enough for the Muslims (who fund the Carter presidential center) to move in for the kill. Carter either wants this or is too stupid to figure out the end game

Just look how this moron Carter forced the Shah out and gave us the Islam crazies who now rule Iran


26 posted on 01/12/2007 12:28:34 AM PST by dennisw (Don't let your past become your future -- Georges Gurdjieff)
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To: Salem; unionblue83; M. Espinola; F15Eagle; RoadTest; T.L.Sink; Yehuda; Nachum; SunkenCiv; ...

Jeeze Louise.......pass the Pepto alert!


27 posted on 01/12/2007 6:34:47 AM PST by Convert from ECUSA (Memo to Olmerde: "GET THE HELL OUT OF BIBI's HOUSE!")
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To: LowOiL
They both know right wing Christians are bigots, they consider that factual, not judgement....LOL< like the judgement you just pronouced?

Maybe that's unfair to Clinton, but there's no doubt in my mind that Carter considers right wingers bigots.

28 posted on 01/12/2007 7:28:28 AM PST by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do!)
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To: Arcy
I have reported you SJackson. You're clearly a bigot with a comment like that about people of faith.

Excellent, perhaps FR will ban everyone critical President Carter and President Clinton. Might change the tone of the place a bit.

29 posted on 01/12/2007 7:31:31 AM PST by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do!)
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To: dennisw
Jimmy Crater is an anti Semite. Is that permissible to say?

Maybe. But remember he explained he wasn't attacking the "Jewish media", rather the "Christian media" which supports Israel. I think he's just never met a terrorist he doesn't like.

30 posted on 01/12/2007 7:46:30 AM PST by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do!)
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To: SJackson
Maybe that's unfair to Clinton, but there's no doubt in my mind that Carter considers right wingers bigots.

Ok, I wasn't quite sure how to take your comment earlier, but it seems you were "tongue in cheek" sorta replying for Clinton and Carter instead of yourself.

I was hoping that was the scenario.

I perhaps was partially to blame bringing in another subject about Carter (and Clinton) and integrating it into this subject.

Clinton and Carter have basically came out guns blazing for Christians in this thread...

Clinton, Carter to Lead Faction of Baptists Away from Biblical Truth on Life and Family

I sorta incorperated the two into one comment. You were not clear as to if you were supporting their "bigot" comment or just making a remark as if on their behalf in TIC(tongue in cheek) fashion.

Anyhoo, I think we are on the same page now.

31 posted on 01/12/2007 9:00:37 AM PST by LowOiL (Paul wrote, "Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil" (Rom. 12:9))
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To: LowOiL
Clinton and Carter have basically came out guns blazing for Christians in this thread...

Yes they have. And don't forget Carter's way of denying his books allusionss to a Jewish conspiracy in and control of the media and government to benefit Israel. He said he wasn't promoting that standard anti-semitic canard, rather the blame lie not with Jews, but with the Christians in the media and government who support Israel. Just what media Carter is reading, I haven't a clue.

32 posted on 01/12/2007 9:06:33 AM PST by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do!)
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To: LowOiL
Clinton, Carter to Lead Faction of Baptists Away from Biblical Truth on Life and Family

That's funny, Jimmy and Bills Evangelical Church, where you can lust in mind and body. Unless Clinton is speaking and giving autographs, I doubt they'll get 20,000 attendees.

33 posted on 01/12/2007 10:54:21 AM PST by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do!)
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To: SJackson
Jimmy Crater is an anti Semite. Is that permissible to say?

Maybe. But remember he explained he wasn't attacking the "Jewish media", rather the "Christian media" which supports Israel. I think he's just never met a terrorist he doesn't like.

Jimmy Carter has always been an anti Semitic rat as far as I'm concerned. At the Camp David accords he bullied Israel and pushed them a lot more than the Egyptians. The people that surround him have never been pro Israel and pro Israeli survival. Israeli survival is a non issue for Carter and his minions they like Arab Muslims, do business with Arab Muslims like Bert Lance. This and other things make him an anti Semite. Especially since he is a very public anti Israel figure. Some little  who doesn't like Israel isn't necessarily an anti Semite

34 posted on 01/12/2007 12:51:21 PM PST by dennisw (Don't let your past become your future -- Georges Gurdjieff)
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To: dennisw

I would agree, but before this book he never let it all hang out. The "*uck the Jews" comment, and his "final solution" comment for Israel had he been re-elected, but these were hardly covered. It's also worth noting after getting 71% of the Jewish note in 1976, he dropped to 45% in 1980, so someone was paying attention.


35 posted on 01/12/2007 1:03:54 PM PST by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do!)
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To: SJackson

Iran has been plaguing Israel for decades. And who made sure the Shah (a friend of Israel) was gotten rid of? Jimmy Carter. Of course Iran is a menace to more than Israel these days. Intentionally and by his astounding stupidity & naiveté Jimmy Carter has made life more difficult for Israel


36 posted on 01/12/2007 1:17:38 PM PST by dennisw (Don't let your past become your future -- Georges Gurdjieff)
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To: Arcy
I have reported you SJackson. You're clearly a bigot

I think you've misinterpreted SJackson. The poster wrote:

They both know right wing Christians are bigots, they consider that factual, not judgement.

This might have been clearer had the poster instead written:

They both "know" that right-wing Christians are bigots - they consider that factual, not judgement.

I think SJackson was simply (correctly) explaining Carter's and Clinton's view, not his or her own. At least that was my read.

37 posted on 01/12/2007 1:32:36 PM PST by M. Thatcher
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To: SJackson

Wow... I count one distortion or outright lie in each of the first four paragraphs so I stopped reading there. It's tripe.

jw


38 posted on 01/12/2007 1:36:09 PM PST by JWinNC (www.anailinhisplace.net)
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To: M. Thatcher; Arcy

Thanks, I don't think it's an issue. Lot's of folks post before fully reading/comprehending a comment.


39 posted on 01/12/2007 3:07:44 PM PST by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do!)
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To: M. Thatcher

And yes, I think Carter considers right wing Christians bigots. I'd include Jew, Muslims, Wiccans, et al, but there aren't as many. Clinton, probably not, he's looking for popularity.


40 posted on 01/12/2007 3:09:13 PM PST by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do!)
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To: SJackson
Clinton, probably not

Actually, Clinton himself has said as much, in 1995, in a quote I'll never, ever forget:

"My only enemy is right-wing religious fundamentalism."

41 posted on 01/12/2007 3:53:22 PM PST by M. Thatcher
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To: SJackson

(The above was published in Salon in 1999, in a report describing the events at a 1995 dinner.)


42 posted on 01/12/2007 3:57:18 PM PST by M. Thatcher
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