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Did the President Declare "Secret War" Against Syria and Iran?
Washington Note ^ | 1/11/07 | S Clemens

Posted on 01/11/2007 6:49:34 PM PST by voletti

Washington intelligence, military and foreign policy circles are abuzz today with speculation that the President, yesterday or in recent days, sent a secret Executive Order to the Secretary of Defense and to the Director of the CIA to launch military operations against Syria and Iran.

The President may have started a new secret, informal war against Syria and Iran without the consent of Congress or any broad discussion with the country.

The bare outlines of that order may have appeared in President Bush's Address to the Nation last night outlining his new course on Iraq:

Succeeding in Iraq also requires defending its territorial integrity and stabilizing the region in the face of extremist challenges. This begins with addressing Iran and Syria. These two regimes are allowing terrorists and insurgents to use their territory to move in and out of Iraq. Iran is providing material support for attacks on American troops. We will disrupt the attacks on our forces. We'll interrupt the flow of support from Iran and Syria. And we will seek out and destroy the networks providing advanced weaponry and training to our enemies in Iraq. We're also taking other steps to bolster the security of Iraq and protect American interests in the Middle East. I recently ordered the deployment of an additional carrier strike group to the region. We will expand intelligence-sharing and deploy Patriot air defense systems to reassure our friends and allies. We will work with the governments of Turkey and Iraq to help them resolve problems along their border. And we will work with others to prevent Iran from gaining nuclear weapons and dominating the region.

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Hmmmmm.

Shades of Iran-contra, eh? This time, bloody finish the job pls.

1 posted on 01/11/2007 6:49:38 PM PST by voletti
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To: voletti

All he has to do is ship the captured IEDs to the Arab nationalists in the western Iranian provinces.


2 posted on 01/11/2007 6:50:52 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: voletti

I say yes.

I say we have easy plausible deniability. How many bad news Baathists would love to get out of prison free and spend some time disrupting civil affairs in Iranian communities.

You could probably do the same thing with some Shiites for Syria.

I hope this is true.


3 posted on 01/11/2007 6:52:15 PM PST by lonestar67 (Its time to withdraw from the War on Bush-- your side is hopelessly lost in a quagmire.)
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To: voletti

This writer doesn't like the idea. I like it.


4 posted on 01/11/2007 6:52:19 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: voletti

If he did, then it's no different from the "war" we waged on the Soviet Union and her allies for decades.


5 posted on 01/11/2007 6:54:19 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: voletti
Succeeding in Iraq also requires defending its territorial integrity and stabilizing the region in the face of extremist challenges. This begins with addressing Iran and Syria.

That should have been a no-brainer from the beginning. But, we wanted to be politically correct from the beginning and we didn't want to expand the war and we certainly didn't want to upset Syria or Iran or any other middle-east countries. Fighting a war cautiously only extends the war and brings on unintended consequences and some harsh lessons which Bush seems to be finally learning and facing.
6 posted on 01/11/2007 6:55:50 PM PST by adorno
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To: voletti

Works for me. Insert sniper teams, and aim for the generals.


7 posted on 01/11/2007 6:58:04 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (McCain / Feingold - 2008 ... "Shut Up or Go To Prison")
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To: voletti

I hope so, now let's let the secret out in the form of an all out bombing raid or targeted nukes.


8 posted on 01/11/2007 7:00:57 PM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake.)
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To: Cicero
This writer doesn't like the idea. I like it.

What? THat the President can keep a secret?
Or that he (this writer) can't?

9 posted on 01/11/2007 7:01:24 PM PST by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a liberal when I married her.)
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To: voletti
Did the President Declare "Secret War" Against Syria and Iran?


If by answering yes, does that mean the rats will now shriek hysterically and run into traffic? YES, YES, YES!!!!!!!
10 posted on 01/11/2007 7:04:00 PM PST by crazyhorse691 (The faithful will keep their heads down, their powder dry and hammer at the enemies flanks.)
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To: voletti

Let us hope.


11 posted on 01/11/2007 7:05:58 PM PST by billhilly
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To: voletti

hmmmmmmmmmm............. the axis of evil........


is ?? Secrets ? to whom ? even that cave man from Geico
knows President Bush is cancer serious


12 posted on 01/11/2007 7:06:45 PM PST by advertising guy (If computer skills named us, I'd be back-space delete.)
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To: voletti

Hey, the somalia thing worked!


13 posted on 01/11/2007 7:07:29 PM PST by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Nazism was in 1938.)
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To: voletti

What a stupid question.

Back in September of 2001, President Bush declared war on any and all who harbor terrorists.

If that now includes Iran and Syria, well...they can't say they weren't warned.


14 posted on 01/11/2007 7:08:46 PM PST by HiJinx (Ask me about Support for our Troops)
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To: Cicero; voletti

Iraq makes a wonderful staging area without being in the "sacred lands".

Hey, while we're in the area....


15 posted on 01/11/2007 7:10:02 PM PST by lightman (The Office of the Keys should be exercised as some ministry needs to be exorcised)
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To: Brilliant
OK Mr. President. Start sinking the Iranian Navy. make their ships slip into the deep in the dark of night. I'd say sink the Syrian Navy too, but I'm not sure they have one.

I'll have more advice later on. Ta Ta.

16 posted on 01/11/2007 7:14:31 PM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The only good Mullah is a dead Mullah. The only good Mosque is the one that used to be there.)
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To: voletti

IIRC Congress did not put a location restriction on his authorization to take out the terrorists.


17 posted on 01/11/2007 7:15:13 PM PST by NonValueAdded (Saddam is Dead! Bush's Fault. [Pray for our patriot brother, 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub.])
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To: voletti
The President may have started a new secret, informal war against Syria and Iran without the consent of Congress

The better question to ask is 'has Syria and Iran declared war against the United States by supplying insurgents and weapons to kill American soldiers in Iraq?'

18 posted on 01/11/2007 7:15:17 PM PST by ErieGeno
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To: lightman

Thats What your going to see from here on out!
After We take One Last Fricken Shot in Irak!
Somalia? Nobody talks about it! (Its Got Rummys Fingerprints All over it!)
I believe Rummy has left a Nice Bag of Future Tricks!


19 posted on 01/11/2007 7:15:27 PM PST by NobleEagle2004 ("You Are The 1st Brigade!"StoneWall Jackson)
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To: voletti

The media is asking the wrong question. Per usual.

It's not that we've declared proxy war on Iran or Syrian. They've engaged US in a proxy war since 3/03, and I'm sure an argument could be made that they engaged us even sooner, but we didn't notice.


20 posted on 01/11/2007 7:16:44 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: voletti

I hope so.


21 posted on 01/11/2007 7:19:05 PM PST by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: voletti

If he did, it will soon be leaked to the New York Times.


22 posted on 01/11/2007 7:19:09 PM PST by popdonnelly
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To: voletti
I SURE HOPE SO!
23 posted on 01/11/2007 7:22:10 PM PST by goodnesswins (We need to cure Academentia)
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To: voletti

Not good enough. We need to declare double secret war on them.


24 posted on 01/11/2007 7:23:29 PM PST by RichInOC (...Phi Kappa Sigma, Beta Rho '87..."Khamenei? Dead! Meshkini? Dead! Ahmadinejad?..." "...Dead.")
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To: voletti
As an avid Middle East watcher, I've been keeping my eye on something for awhile now. I'm waiting for a transition from Iraq to Iran...an excuse to attack Iran.

Yesterday I noticed that the president is shifting focus to Iran. Look for more signs. I believe that we will be poking at Iran to provoke them, but I don't see that happening for about six months or more. Ultimately it will look like we had no choice but to respond.

The president cannot declare war against Iran, and he has no public support to do so. However, if we escalate a situation to war, then the country has no choice.

25 posted on 01/11/2007 7:24:53 PM PST by adam_smith_76
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Secret War?

Nah.

But I think they ARE on Double Secret Probation.


26 posted on 01/11/2007 7:25:07 PM PST by LegendHasIt
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To: LegendHasIt

27 posted on 01/11/2007 7:27:18 PM PST by petercooper (Cemeteries & the ignorant - comprising 2 of the largest Democrat voting blocs for the past 75 years.)
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To: adam_smith_76
Then there is this...

Rice warns Iran after US nabs Iranians in Iraq

which contains the quote:

She also said Bush in his speech was referring to taking action against Iranian and Syrian operatives inside Iraq.

28 posted on 01/11/2007 7:27:59 PM PST by NCjim (The more I use Windows, the more I love UNIX)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts

The interesting thing is that the Dems have spent the last 4 years complaining that the President should be focusing on Iran instead of Iraq. Now it looks like he may be doing it, and true to form, the Dems are now attacking him for doing that.


29 posted on 01/11/2007 7:30:37 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: voletti

This all reminds me of some of the things Nixon did in advance of pulling US forces out of Vietnam. Nixon waged an undeclared war by invading Cambodia, the result of which was the elimination of the Southern end of the Ho Chi Minh Trail as an effective staging area. This bought the US time to pull forces out (and build up South Vietnam's forces) as part of his "Vietnamization" plan.

The question now is whether the Dems will do to Bush what they did to Ford in 1975: completely tie his hands and prevent him from doing what is necessary to support the Iraqi government once US forces are withdrawn ...


30 posted on 01/11/2007 7:31:00 PM PST by tanknetter
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To: voletti

We can only hope.


31 posted on 01/11/2007 7:31:03 PM PST by b4its2late (Liberalism is a hollow log and a mental disorder.)
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To: voletti

Looks like they are filling the "rocket" with beef gravy.


32 posted on 01/11/2007 7:33:13 PM PST by donmeaker (If the sky don't say "Surrender Dorothy!" then my ex wife is out of town.)
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To: tanknetter

Of course the president could veto any such resolution, only to be over-ridden by a two thirds majority.


33 posted on 01/11/2007 7:34:18 PM PST by donmeaker (If the sky don't say "Surrender Dorothy!" then my ex wife is out of town.)
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To: voletti

I hope so.

The road to victory in Iraq runs through Tehran and Damascus


34 posted on 01/11/2007 7:34:53 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: donmeaker
Of course the president could veto any such resolution, only to be over-ridden by a two thirds majority.

The problem is that the additional money has to come from somewhere. The President's ability to move funding around within DoD (and from elsewhere) to pay for things is pretty limited.

All the Dems have to do is refuse to put up the $$$. What does the President do ... play chicken with the Dems and veto the entire DoD appropriations bill unless it contains funding? Or maybe ALL of the appropriations bills? It's a possibility, but the 1995 experience with shutting down the government seems a good indicator of which side public opinion will be driven (or, rather, stampeded, courtesy of our friends in the MSM) towards on the matter.
35 posted on 01/11/2007 7:43:45 PM PST by tanknetter
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To: voletti
Did the President Declare "Secret War" Against Syria and Iran?

That doesn't make logical sense.

36 posted on 01/11/2007 7:59:39 PM PST by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (We are going to win!))
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To: bnelson44

Agreed.

'declare' and 'secret' don't go together.

Semantics apart, methinx the point's clear.

As long as Dems in cogress are clueless, the war's secret enuf 4 me.


37 posted on 01/11/2007 8:01:45 PM PST by voletti (Awareness and Equanimity.)
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To: voletti

If I know about it, it can't be secret.


38 posted on 01/11/2007 8:04:54 PM PST by pacpam (action=consequence applies in all cases)
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To: voletti

and the problem would be???????


39 posted on 01/11/2007 8:38:14 PM PST by Jewels1091
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To: adam_smith_76
I believe you are correct.

We'll roll up their orgs throughout the mid-east...viciously and covertly. We'll threaten and embarass them. We'll cruise the Straits of Hormuz with all fire control radars hitting every military installation. We'll harass all military flights and naval sorties.

We'll even CORSS the borders for limited bombing/engagement of the Iranian SpecOps that are supporting the insurgency. We'll tighten the financial noose as well. We'll do everything short of full-scale invasion in an attempt to provoke them, and we'll succeed.

Then we'll have the political cover to bring hell to their very doorstep.

40 posted on 01/11/2007 8:54:55 PM PST by Mariner
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To: voletti

I certainly hope so!


41 posted on 01/11/2007 8:57:01 PM PST by airborne (What good is having air superiority if you don't use it?)
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To: Cicero

A large part of Iran in included in "Kurdistan." Right now, the Kurds are talking, as they have for years with the Iranians. Suppose we made it worth their while to stire them up in Iran and, at the same time, made them promise to leave Turkey alone.


42 posted on 01/11/2007 9:02:30 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: tanknetter

A difference is that Ford was looking for re-election in 1976. Therefore, he did not confront Congress. If Nixon had no blundered into Watergate, the history of Vietnam would have been quite different.


43 posted on 01/11/2007 9:06:46 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts

Yup, the Iranian subs should fail to return to port after submerging for starters.


44 posted on 01/12/2007 6:55:48 AM PST by darth
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To: RobbyS

The Kurds have been betrayed numerous times. America betrayed them at least twice in my memory. So they are likely to be very careful about any assurances we give them, especially since they are well aware that there are forces in America that would love to leave them dangling once again.

Also, Turkey would be strongly resistant to an independent Kurdistan, even if it did not include their own Kurds. An independent Kurdistan would be a magnet for Turkish Kurds in the future, regardless of any promises made now.

Still, it may be a possibility. I'm sure everyone in the region is considering it.


45 posted on 01/12/2007 8:26:26 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: darth

One would be sufficent, don't you think?


46 posted on 01/12/2007 9:33:31 AM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: Cicero

The best assurance we can give them is not good enough, but any is better than none.


47 posted on 01/12/2007 9:35:04 AM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: Brad Cloven
[ Works for me. Insert sniper teams, and aim for the generals(mullahs, imams, or other potentates) ]

Exactly.. Insurgency works both ways..

48 posted on 01/12/2007 9:42:52 AM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: tanknetter

Actually, if there is no budget, the President has complete authority to spend mony on what he deems necessary. Although he would close down the national parks, and various welfare agencies, he would continue to fund the military, border patrol, coast guard. Money would continue to flow into the IRS.

Lincoln fought the Civil War for some 6 months after he was elected, without benefit of Congress.

You may recall that Clinton vetoed the budget just after the Republicans took office in 1994.


49 posted on 01/12/2007 9:58:23 AM PST by donmeaker (If the sky don't say "Surrender Dorothy!" then my ex wife is out of town.)
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To: voletti

This president does not know that killing people is the only way to win a war. He should be studying Caesar, Genghis Kahn, and Lincoln's terrorist-in-chief, Bill Sherman.


50 posted on 01/13/2007 3:26:31 AM PST by tailgunner
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