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Rice warns Iran after US nabs Iranians in Iraq
AFP ^ | 1/12/07 | AFP

Posted on 01/11/2007 7:19:29 PM PST by mdittmar

US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice warned Iran that the United States won't "stand idly by" if Tehran tries to disrupt Washington's renewed effort to stabilize Iraq.

Speaking hours after US troops detained six Iranians in a raid in northern Iraq, Rice said Washington was determined to crack down on Iran's "regional aggression."

Rice declined to comment specifically on the operation in the northern city of Arbil, which came shortly after President George W. Bush announced a new US strategy to end the violence in Iraq that included stepped up moves to counter Iranian and Syrian involvement in the country.

In a spate of television interviews and testimony in Congress to defend the new Bush plan for Iraq, Rice declined repeatedly to rule out US military action against Iran -- accused by the administration of supporting anti-US insurgents and Shiite radicals in Iraq and of trying to develop nuclear weapons.

"I don't want to speculate on what operations the United States may be engaged in, but you will see that the United States is not going to simply stand idly by and let these activities continue," she said in one interview.

Tensions between Washington and Tehran have soared since Bush in 2002 branded Iran part of an "axis of evil" alongside Saddam Hussein's Iraq.

Last year, Washington pushed successfully for UN sanctions against Iran in a bid to halt its uranium enrichment program, which the US says is aimed at producing nuclear weapons while Iranians say they only want to make atomic energy.

In Wednesday's speech, Bush fed fears of possible US military strikes on Iran by announcing the deployment of an additional aircraft carrier group to the Gulf and the supply of Patriot anti-missile systems to nearby allies.

"We will interrupt the flow of support from Iran and Syria. And we will seek out and destroy the networks providing advanced weaponry and training to our enemies in Iraq," he said.

Rice defended the Gulf military deployments as needed to assure US allies they "have the defense capacity that they need against a growing Iranian military buildup."

She also said Bush in his speech was referring to taking action against Iranian and Syrian operatives inside Iraq.

"Obviously, the president isn't going to rule anything out to protect our troops, but the plan is to take down these networks in Iraq," she said.

Democratic Senator Joe Biden, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and a fierce critic of the Iraq war, warned Rice that Congress -- controlled by the opposition since November elections -- would intervene if Bush turned his sights on Iran.

"I believe the present authorization granted the president to use force in Iraq does not cover (Iran) and he does need congressional authority" to order military strikes against that country, he said.

In her testimony, Rice also reaffirmed the Bush administration's refusal to open a dialogue with Iran on stabilizing Iraq, as strongly recommended last year by the bipartisan Iraq Study Group and many foreign policy experts.

She said the Iranians would seek in any such talks to obtain concessions in the standoff over its nuclear program in exchange for help in Iraq.

"That's not diplomacy, that's extortion," she said.

Bush critics jumped on the latest Iraq measures as signs of a looming new conflict with Iran.

Bush "appears to be setting the stage for a wider war in the region," said Democratic congressman Dennis Kucinich. "Isn't one war enough for this president?"

"The worst possible scenario in this crisis is the breakout of an armed confrontation between Washington and Tehran, said Abdulaziz Sager, chairman of the Dubai-based Gulf Research Center, adding that such action would "have serious security ramifications for the region".

US military officials meanwhile confirmed that six Iranians were arrested in Arbil on suspicion of "activities targeting Iraq and coalition forces".

Last month US forces detained two Iranian nationals suspected of weapons smuggling in Baghdad, but they were later released.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: condirice; iran; iraq

1 posted on 01/11/2007 7:19:31 PM PST by mdittmar
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To: mdittmar

this gets gooder and gooder.


2 posted on 01/11/2007 7:24:26 PM PST by lonestar67 (Its time to withdraw from the War on Bush-- your side is hopelessly lost in a quagmire.)
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To: mdittmar

I like Bush's attitude. Too bad the rubes won't support it.


3 posted on 01/11/2007 7:24:45 PM PST by popdonnelly
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To: mdittmar
Democratic Senator Joe Biden, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and a fierce critic of the Iraq war, warned Rice that Congress -- controlled by the opposition since November elections -- would intervene if Bush turned his sights on Iran.

This speaks volumes. Biden and his buddies are more than willing to aid and abet the enemy... politics are more important to them than winning.

4 posted on 01/11/2007 7:26:58 PM PST by CurlyBill (Democrats: Weak on defense, soft on crime, tough on your wallet)
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To: CurlyBill

They dont need the Dems to trash the policy. Sen Chuck Hagel did their job for them. He sounded as low as any Democrat senator. Oh his radio show John Gibson asked is there any more pompous condescending senator than Chuck Hagel??


5 posted on 01/11/2007 7:30:16 PM PST by TNCMAXQ
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To: mdittmar

"Democratic Senator Joe Biden, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and a fierce critic of the Iraq war, warned Rice that Congress -- controlled by the opposition since November elections -- would intervene if Bush turned his sights on Iran."

Joe!
Sit down and shut up!
If Iran is poking us in the eye, we should kick their butt!
And YOU, aren't going to do anything to get in the way!


6 posted on 01/11/2007 7:31:48 PM PST by G Larry (Only strict constructionists on the Supreme Court!)
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To: mdittmar
If folks like Joe Biden and Dennis Kucinich were around
in 1776, we'd all be singing "God Save The Queen" before
all our Cricket matches nowadays....JJ61
7 posted on 01/11/2007 7:32:38 PM PST by JerseyJohn61 (Better Late Than Never.......sometimes over lapping is worth the effort....)
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To: TNCMAXQ
Chuck Hagel is an ugly little man.

I've never seen him propose anything.

All he does is snipe at the White House.

8 posted on 01/11/2007 7:38:55 PM PST by what's up
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To: mdittmar
Bush "appears to be setting the stage for a wider war in the region," said Democratic congressman Dennis Kucinich. "Isn't one war enough for this president?"

If I read this correctly, the good congressman seems to be suggesting that President Bush derives some sort of demonic pleasure from waging campaigns of aggression against Middle Eastern countries. The Iraq War "isn't enough." Only a "wider war" will do.

Presumably, the mullahs in Iran are blameless in this whole matter. Or if they actually do deserve some small portion of the blame, it really doesn't matter, since the "negotiations" with Tehran are, well, going swimmingly.

One has to wonder: Is Congressman Kucinich just playing to his loony-left base? Or does he actually believe what his rhetoric implies, i.e. that George Bush (and, by extension, America) is The True Threat To World Peace?

9 posted on 01/11/2007 7:42:36 PM PST by AmericanExceptionalist (Democrats believe in discussing the full spectrum of ideas, all the way from far left to center-left)
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To: TNCMAXQ

"On his radio show John Gibson asked is there any more pompous condescending senator than Chuck Hagel??"

I just love John Gibson. Also love his spiky new haircut. Sure beats his prior "werewolf" look. Before, John and Judge Nepalitano were vying for the Count Dracula look. Nepalitano (or is it Napalitano) now holds the title to himself.



10 posted on 01/11/2007 7:45:42 PM PST by flaglady47 (thinking out loud)
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To: what's up

"Chuck Hagel is an ugly little man."

I find him loathesome myself. Have to turn the channel when he comes on.


11 posted on 01/11/2007 7:46:53 PM PST by flaglady47 (thinking out loud)
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To: flaglady47

I'm with you 100%! The guy has more than a few loose screws.


12 posted on 01/11/2007 8:09:45 PM PST by A. Morgan
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To: TNCMAXQ

Agree. Hagel is a complete disgrace.


13 posted on 01/11/2007 8:31:45 PM PST by CurlyBill (Democrats: Weak on defense, soft on crime, tough on your wallet)
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To: mdittmar
Democratic Senator Joe Biden, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and a fierce critic of the Iraq war, warned Rice that Congress -- controlled by the opposition since November elections -- would intervene if Bush turned his sights on Iran.

It's nice to see that the Democrats finally admit that they are "opposition" to the United States. We've known all along that they weren't on our country's side, but they are now admitting as much.

Bill

14 posted on 01/11/2007 8:37:19 PM PST by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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To: mdittmar
Why would Biden be worried about military intervention in Iran because according to him and every other Rat our military is stretched thin.
15 posted on 01/11/2007 8:37:42 PM PST by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: mdittmar
Amanutjub should be looking to move into a new Presidential digs. Say about 300 feet underground in good solid rock.
16 posted on 01/11/2007 8:39:53 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: JerseyJohn61
If folks like Joe Biden and Dennis Kucinich were around in 1776,

There were, we called 'em Tories, and sent them packing to Canada when the shooting was done. Sometimes we tarred and feathered them to speed them on their way.

17 posted on 01/11/2007 8:41:58 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: tobyhill
Why would Biden be worried about military intervention in Iran because according to him and every other Rat our military is stretched thin.

The Army and the Marines are stretched, but the Navy and Air Force are raring to go

18 posted on 01/11/2007 8:44:43 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: tobyhill

Because he knows that his words are not literally true, that we no longer need masses of men to do maximum violence on our enemies. And I am not talking about nukes.


19 posted on 01/11/2007 8:47:51 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: Dog; LS; Allegra; Marine_Uncle
An interesting development is that U.S. fatalities have fallen from 3 to 4 per day in December down to 1 per day so far in January.

Now, is President Bush's "surge" responsible for this decline...or is it because we caught the Iranian head of Al Quds brigade in Baghdad...or is it because the Iraqis hung Saddam Hussein?

Alternatively, is it because of a combination of some or all of the above?

But what isn't in question is that there has been a dramatic, unreported improvement in the environment in Iraq.

20 posted on 01/11/2007 8:47:55 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: mdittmar
"I believe the present authorization granted the president to use force in Iraq does not cover (Iran) and he does need congressional authority" to order military strikes against that country, he said.

That may be, but the President has full authority to respond to attacks on our troops, which is what Iran is in effect doing, by supplying those who actually pull the triggers or push the buttons.

Besides there is the little matter of that other Congressional Authorization for use of Force, against the terrorists. The one passed on 2001 Sep 18. The pertanent sections read:

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This joint resolution may be cited as the `Authorization for Use of Military Force'.

SEC. 2. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

(a) IN GENERAL- That the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons.

(b) War Powers Resolution Requirements-

21 posted on 01/11/2007 8:54:12 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato

I heard General Pace today say that our Army is stretched because of rotations and with some rotation adjustments our Army will have ample troops to take care of any situation.


22 posted on 01/11/2007 9:04:38 PM PST by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: flaglady47

I think Neil Cavuto has the werewolf cut, but it's okay on him. He's cute.


23 posted on 01/11/2007 9:14:14 PM PST by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: mdittmar
Tensions between Washington and Tehran have soared since Bush in 2002 branded Iran part of an "axis of evil" alongside Saddam Hussein's Iraq.

Oh yeah, and before George W. Bush became President, we were just the best of friends and allies. /sarc

24 posted on 01/11/2007 9:24:49 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: AmericanExceptionalist
Bush "appears to be setting the stage for a wider war in the region," said Democratic congressman Dennis Kucinich. "Isn't one war enough for this president?"

Apparently Dennis was sleeping during the President's speech to the nation after 9/11. The President said that we would go after the terrorists and the countries that harbor them.

Kinda slow on the uptake isn't he? It's taken him 5 years to figure out that this war is more than just about Iraq.

25 posted on 01/11/2007 9:29:39 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: mdittmar

In Iraq, In Lebanon....

26 posted on 01/12/2007 12:01:54 AM PST by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: CurlyBill
The DemonRATs hates the military and everything it stands for. If the military succeeds in bringing Democracy to Iraq, it gives the military a victory that gives it justification for existence. The DemonRATs would rather see all international disputes be solved with diplomacy. They see the military as a outdated method for solving one nation's dispute with another. If the military were cut back, the billions budgeted to the military would be available for their own concentration of power. It is what they call converting guns to butter.
27 posted on 01/12/2007 12:30:25 AM PST by jonrick46
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To: mdittmar
Do we have an Easter (or even St. Patrick's Day) surprise in store for Iran?

As for Babblin' Biden, tell him this is grownup talk and he should go play with the other babies.

28 posted on 01/12/2007 12:36:31 AM PST by WestVirginiaRebel (I'm pretty sure the phrase life is too short doesn't exist in Islam-Dennis Miller)
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To: popdonnelly
I like Bush's attitude. Too bad the rubes won't support it.

Screw the rubes. Let 'em sit around in their ivory towers and lament the lack of utopian idealism in the real world.

The adults can take care of this.

Better late than never.

29 posted on 01/12/2007 3:25:39 AM PST by Allegra (Vote Dulcie / Finbar 2008)
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To: Southack
Hopefully this trend shall now continue. Heaven only knows how many EID's are still being planted, with triggermen hiding in some hole in the wall with beady eyes, just waiting.
30 posted on 01/12/2007 5:43:41 AM PST by Marine_Uncle
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To: mdittmar
...its uranium enrichment program, which the US says is aimed at producing nuclear weapons while Iranians say they only want to make atomic energy.

How does this crap get past proofreaders?

31 posted on 01/12/2007 8:09:31 AM PST by Steve1789 (Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power. -A.L.)
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To: El Gato
"we tarred and featured them"

An Irish immigrant by the name of Lynch was the fellow
who made tar and featuring famous. Hench lynchings.
He had a disdain for the English and their sympathizers.

For the past 6 years, the Dems have been using the same
figurative practice upon GWB as a means to show their
disdain of him and anything conservative. Now that we
are in the minority on the hill, it's our turn to
verbally smack the hell out of the opposition....JJ61
32 posted on 01/12/2007 11:54:40 AM PST by JerseyJohn61 (Better Late Than Never.......sometimes over lapping is worth the effort....)
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To: SuziQ

"Tensions between Washington and Tehran have soared since Bush in 2002 branded Iran part of an "axis of evil" alongside Saddam Hussein's Iraq."

The socialist media and Democrats said the same thing about USSR - USA relations after President Reagan called the USSR the "evil empire". We all know what happened to the USSR.

If it were up to the Democrats, the USSR with its vast arsenal of nuclear weapons would still exist - we would still be facing nuclear mutually assured destruction - and if it were up to the Democrats, Saddam Hussein would still be in power torturing, commiting mass murder, and providing weapons and a safe haven for terrorists.


33 posted on 01/12/2007 12:02:59 PM PST by pleikumud
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To: mdittmar

What took us so long?


34 posted on 01/12/2007 12:11:01 PM PST by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them, or they like us?)
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To: Southack

The answer to your question will say alot.


35 posted on 01/12/2007 2:21:18 PM PST by CPT Clay (Drill ANWR, Personal Accounts NOW.)
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To: Southack
South,

I think 1) we are into the "last 10%" issue, which is that we've probably killed 90% of the enemy already, and they are flat running out of men. The last 10% will be the hardest, but also, because there are fewer, will proportionately see casualties on our side plummet.

2) The election eve hostilities were their version of Tet, and any sensible person knows what happened to the VC and NVN in Tet. They got annihilated.

3) They rolled their dice on a political shift---not understanding our system (not to mention Pres. Bush)---and thought that their efforts would pay off immediately. Even if the Dems want to cut funding immediately (which they don't), it would take them months to actually see the fruits of this on the battlefield.

36 posted on 01/14/2007 11:22:12 AM PST by LS
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To: LS; Dog; Marine_Uncle; section9; Nick Danger
We've had 13 named dead U.S. fatalities so far this year (it's already the 15th in Iraq)...less than 1 per day.

Last month it was at least 3 every day and 4 dead on several days.

That's quite a shift. Is it because we are targeting (and getting) the Iranians inside Iraq? Is it because Saddam Hussein is now dead and his Ba'athists no longer have a powerful figure for whom to fight?

Is it because President Bush's new surge (started at the end of last month) is doing what he promised?

Some combination of the above?

But *something* has clearly changed. Now, if all of this had changed in December, then I'd be wondering if Al Qaeda, Iranians, and the Ba'athists were just laying low after the Democrats won in November...

...but it didn't. December saw some of the highest fatalities yet. None of the warring parties laid low after the election here.

Another point, Al Qaeda and the Iranians were unable to aid the Islamic Court against Ethiopia in Somalia. Moreover, Al Qaeda's leadership called for jihad there, wasn't able to back it up, and hasn't (been able to??) commented on their enormous loss there in the meantime.

If the "laying low" theory was in play, then Zawahiri would *not* have called for jihad against Ethiopia. He would have laid low.

In sum, it very much **appears** as though the sum of the insurgency in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Somalia has had its back broken between the end of December and today.

Al Qaeda has proven unable to hit the U.S. or Ethiopia during critical battlefield moments (e.g. in Somalia), yet has made what appear to be desperate pleas for global jihad there.

In Afghanistan, the Taliban and Al Qaeda control nothing more than a few remote, rural caves. The much vaunted Offensive there failed to dislodge any "crusaders." Little girls still go to school there and the Taliban can only gnash their own teeth in response.

In Iraq, U.S. fatalities have plunged to 1/3 of their December average.

In Ethiopia and Somalia, Al Qaeda and its allies are smashed, cowering, and hiding in the few instances where they haven't been slaughtered.

Nor have any of the related parties been able to take the global jihad into Israel itself...the crown jewel of the jihad.

At every turn we see weakness, defeat, desperation, and despair among the radical Islamists.

37 posted on 01/14/2007 4:17:55 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack; bnelson44; jmc1969; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Dog; smoothsailing; freema; SandRat; ...
From post #37, Southack:
I have been thinking along very similar lines. I did not add up the short term time frame you indicate. Thanks. That further supports my recent thoughts (same as yours 100% for each geographic area mentioned).
Notice also how we hear nothing about Islamic radical groups causing any trouble in the Philipines, Malaysia, Indonesia, southern pacific rim etc..
It is like they are running out of steam as governments in these lands are taking the fight to them. Where not that long ago, they often acted with impunity, no fear of getting caught.
Grant one. Lebanon for instance has the potential of quicly becoming a hot bed once again, yet we hear little if any minor disturbances in that country.
Even the Gaza strip and other parts of Pali land seem to have shut down. Is it that the people are starting to realize the Islamic goons are the worst enemy of muslims.
Interesting things are starting to appear. I do hope we are not premature in this way of thinking.
And surely a number of the ruling party under the Mullahs in Iran are itching for a fight. But even there. We see some valid indications that they are starting to get a bit worried or more then a bit, over how Almadinejah with the blessings of his mystical Mullah Jezi, are perhaps lining them up to have their petrochemical plants, other industries, and many of the nuclear facilities that can be destroyed, flattened.
They are not stupid. They realize the useful idiots as Stalin used to call them, in the west such as the Pelosi crowd can only go so far in denting any plans this administration has from a military view point.
38 posted on 01/14/2007 7:30:02 PM PST by Marine_Uncle
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To: Marine_Uncle
"They are not stupid."
irrelevant. They operate in their own frame of reference [like everybody else]. These frames are NOT automatically transferrable, and frequently do not make much sense when viewed from the outside, for their order of values and priorities is different.
39 posted on 01/14/2007 7:46:28 PM PST by GSlob
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To: CurlyBill
This speaks volumes.

Speaks volumes about what a nincompoop Bush is.

He should be attacking his domestic enemies, Biden , Levin, Schumer, Kennedy should be in jail or scared crapless to open up their big stupid socialist mouths lest they be destroyed politcally or just dispatched like Putin or Castro do with people who are dangerous.

Instead Bush lets them wage a propaganda war at home that they just about have won.

Hell of a way to support the troops by letting the enemy run an unopposed PR war at home.

40 posted on 01/14/2007 8:00:00 PM PST by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: GSlob
Understand and do appreciate your response. Their long term plans are to set up in some cases a Caliph, in others to simply fight any western encrouchment on their claimed by conquest soils. But I do believe we are seeing a shift in how they view the rest of the world's response to what some of them do.
Even some Europeans are getting a bit pissed over Islam. To much blood shed in the past few years for even the dense to not realize Islam is no religion of peace but an evil cult in disguise.
At any rate. As long as the POTUS and a few key supporting western governments continue to beat their frigen brains in, that is OK by me. It will take years to slowly eradicate these radical and not so radical organizations. To think otherwise is folly. One thing for certain. I agree with your closing sentence. But let us also remember, there are those in the muslim world that slowly are seeing their value system as being their worst enemy. People can change. Japan did.
41 posted on 01/14/2007 8:05:22 PM PST by Marine_Uncle
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To: Marine_Uncle

Regrettably, their frigen brains are far from being beaten in. The rules of engagement ought not be PC.


42 posted on 01/14/2007 8:09:00 PM PST by GSlob
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To: GSlob

Believe me. I understand your sentiments. I had a nephew in the Marine Corps twice in Iraq. And he almost bought the farm a few times. I gotta hit the rack. Have a great upcoming day.


43 posted on 01/14/2007 8:33:27 PM PST by Marine_Uncle
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To: Rome2000

agree with your post.


44 posted on 01/14/2007 8:37:39 PM PST by RetiredArmy (Dimocrats stand for everything I hate, despise and wish to see destroyed, including dimocrats!)
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To: Southack
How about Libya and Lebanon?

Since W, Lebanon went from Syria control back to Lebanese control, with NATO? now assisting the legitimate government in taking on Hezzbola.

Add it all up and its quite a achievement for W against our foreign enemies.

45 posted on 01/14/2007 9:00:17 PM PST by duckln
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To: Rome2000
Hell of a way to support the troops by letting the enemy run an unopposed PR war at home.

This has been the problem with Republicans since I can remember. They have the facts on their side, yet they fail to articulate their arguments time after time after time. We need leaders who will take the argument to the left in this country and expose them for what they are. Enemies of the United States have no better allies than Murtha, Kennedy, Clinton, Reid, Biden, Obama, Durbin and Pelosi... to name just a few.

46 posted on 01/15/2007 8:00:44 AM PST by CurlyBill (Democrats: Weak on defense, soft on crime, tough on your wallet)
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