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USGS scientists worry about being muzzled
msnbc (AP) ^ | Dec 16 2006 | John Heilprin

Posted on 01/12/2007 12:29:17 AM PST by djf

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To: Brilliant

There are some scientists motivated by bias. I think that will only increase with the govt screening publications.


41 posted on 01/12/2007 4:18:15 AM PST by Szent_Adam_Kiraly (a man a plan a canal panama)
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To: Szent_Adam_Kiraly

Yup. Unfortunately, the politicians have turned science into a political football. It started with evolution in the schools, I think, and has only gotten worse.


42 posted on 01/12/2007 4:22:05 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: kinoxi
What is a close to 400 year old quote supposed to mean? Things have changed since then I think

The nature of governmental bodies never changes.

43 posted on 01/12/2007 4:22:15 AM PST by NittanyLion
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To: djf

We have professional scientists on the payroll because they're professional scientists and will give us the straight scoop.

Is there any politicians in the White House who are competent enough to review USGS findings?

I don't think so...

Democracy - n, def: The group that gets PAID THE MOST ends up VOTING THE MOST See: TRAGEDY)

If you applied your tag line to the scientific community you would get "The group that gets paid the most comes up with the most dire predictions of destruction and peril." (so they can get paid again to figure out how to avoid it.)





44 posted on 01/12/2007 4:24:26 AM PST by READINABLUESTATE (Free speech for thee, but not for me?)
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To: djf

So do you think all scientists are saints, and no one on the gov't payroll has an environmental extremist agenda?


45 posted on 01/12/2007 4:27:09 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: Szent_Adam_Kiraly

Oh, this must be what Algore is doing, right? That is a very current and ongoing manipulation for political reasons.


46 posted on 01/12/2007 4:29:32 AM PST by dforest (Liberals love crisis, create crisis and then dwell on them.)
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To: djf
We should have info that doesn't have to go through a political filter. A few politicians are honorable men. But ALL politicians are liars and thieves to some extent.

...and individual or groups of scientists don't acquire political agendas?

If only there were a truely judicial group of men and women that could never be infected that could be set up as absolutes. Not ever happenin'.

47 posted on 01/12/2007 4:36:22 AM PST by USCG SimTech (Honored to serve since '71)
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To: djf

This reminds me so much of the old USSR or even more so, Red China where everything was reviewed to be sure it complied with the Communist Party line.

Then I think about how rangers at the Grand Canyon cannot answer the question of how old is the Grand Canyon and how books are for sale at the Grand Canyon about how it was created by the Great Flood.


48 posted on 01/12/2007 4:36:28 AM PST by DaGman
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To: Szent_Adam_Kiraly
Why does the govt need to review the results pre-publication? Publication doesnt nullify scientific findings from criticism.

Maybe the public affairs staff would like to know what is going out the door in their behalf before it goes. That way they can check it for adherence to department policy and answer questions about it to the press once it's released. You know how scientists and engineers are the most camera-ready, people-friendly group on the Earth?

I worked at a government agency in public affairs and nothing went out the door unless it was reviewed by other scientists, such as the department heads, and the communications manager. If we got calls from the public or press, we could pass the call to the communications manager. There's nothing out of the ordinary going on here. Every organization does it.

49 posted on 01/12/2007 4:46:47 AM PST by rabidralph (There's a tigger! There's a tigger!)
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To: DaGman

I remember years back when one of the greatest objections to government funded health care (Hillary style) was that people didn't want government politicizing medicine.

Man, conservatism has changed.


50 posted on 01/12/2007 4:47:29 AM PST by djf (Democracy - n, def: The group that gets PAID THE MOST ends up VOTING THE MOST See: TRAGEDY)
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To: Szent_Adam_Kiraly
There are two evils here--because government has gotten deeply involved in funding science and science these is very very political.

I wouldn't trust any scientist as far as I could throw them unless I knew they had no political agenda and their bosses had none as well.

So the administration has thrown in the towel on "objective science" and wants their science instead of the opponent's science.

That puts us back where we already are--where almost all scientific studies and findings are highly suspect.
51 posted on 01/12/2007 4:52:05 AM PST by cgbg (We have a redhouse media/politician hot air emissions global crisis!)
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To: rabidralph
"Maybe the public affairs staff would like to know what is going out the door in their behalf before it goes. That way they can check it for adherence to department policy and answer questions about it to the press once it's released."

Thats exactly whats wrong with it. Sound science has no consideration for policy, however, policy makers should take science into consideration, when forming a policy.
52 posted on 01/12/2007 6:52:36 AM PST by Szent_Adam_Kiraly (a man a plan a canal panama)
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To: Szent_Adam_Kiraly
Thats because science is not altruistic. Good science is objective, observable, re-creatable.

Well, you're certainly trusting. One would never expect government-funded science to be affected by political or funding-related pressures....

53 posted on 01/12/2007 6:58:21 AM PST by r9etb
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To: indylindy

"Oh, this must be what Algore is doing, right? That is a very current and ongoing manipulation for political reasons."

I dont know, I havn't listened to Gore. It is plausable.


54 posted on 01/12/2007 7:00:07 AM PST by Szent_Adam_Kiraly (a man a plan a canal panama)
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To: r9etb

"Well, you're certainly trusting. One would never expect government-funded science to be affected by political or funding-related pressures...."

I am not trusting. I would expect government-funded science to be afffected by political or funding related issues. The government filtering findings obtained through these programs exacerbates the effect.


55 posted on 01/12/2007 7:07:07 AM PST by Szent_Adam_Kiraly (a man a plan a canal panama)
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To: djf

It kind of assumes that some politician knew the right answer before we starded doing the research in question.

This is almost certainly wrong.


56 posted on 01/12/2007 7:36:17 AM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: kinoxi

Because beancounters with poli sci degrees know how to review scientific papers, AMIRITE?


57 posted on 01/12/2007 7:37:46 AM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: Szent_Adam_Kiraly
You're misunderstanding what I'm saying. As an example, hormone replacement therapy (HRT) appears to increase a woman's risk for breast cancer. A scientist should not release a report to the public advocating HRT for women in menopause. The agency's review board should check any scientist's findings that advocate HRT, unless that scientist has some new evidence that HRT isn't to blame and those claims should be further investigated.

Now, if the scientist's report was released without review, the MSM would be calling the public affairs office and wanting to know why the agency is putting out suspect information. That alone will damage the reputation of the agency and anything else it publishes.

58 posted on 01/12/2007 9:01:16 AM PST by rabidralph
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To: djf
We should have info that doesn't have to go through a political filter.

Oh man, are you in the wrong place. The White House is completely trustworthy. Until recently the Congress was too. And when Hillary is elected, Free Republic will once again be against Big Government.

59 posted on 01/12/2007 9:04:35 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: djf
"Man, conservatism has changed."

It's not that conservatism has changed, its that lots of groups with their own pet issues have hijacked conservatism and declared that to be conservative you must subscribe to their ideals or else.

60 posted on 01/12/2007 9:57:43 AM PST by DaGman
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