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Passing Exchange Becomes Political Flashpoint
The New York Times ^ | 1/13/2006 | HELENE COOPER and THOM SHANKER

Posted on 01/12/2007 8:02:03 PM PST by Utah Girl

A passing exchange during a Senate hearing on Thursday turned into a political flashpoint overnight as Senator Barbara Boxer, the California Democrat, and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice accused one another of insensitivity in comments about motherhood and the war in Iraq.

In an interview with The New York Times on Friday, Ms. Rice suggested that Ms. Boxer had set back feminism by suggesting during the hearing that the childless Ms. Rice had paid no price in the Iraq war.

“I thought it was O.K. to be single,” Ms. Rice said. “I thought it was O.K. to not have children, and I thought you could still make good decisions on behalf of the country if you were single and didn’t have children.”

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In an interview on Friday, Senator Boxer said her comments had been misunderstood and were now being turned against her by the White House and by Republicans. “What I was trying to do in this exchange was to find common ground with Condi Rice,” she said. “My whole point was to focus on the military families who pay the price.”

Senator Boxer added: “I’m saying, she’s like me, we do not have families who are in the military. What they are doing is a really tortured way to attack a United States senator who voted against the war.”

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


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And now Barbara Boxer is playing the victim card.
1 posted on 01/12/2007 8:02:05 PM PST by Utah Girl
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To: Utah Girl
In an interview on Friday, Senator Boxer said her comments had been misunderstood

No good, Babs, we all heard your remarks. You cannot put enough lipstick on that pig to turn it into a thing of beauty. The botched joke defense has been tried and it failed. Telling us we're too stupid to understand your nuance is also a non-starter.

2 posted on 01/12/2007 8:06:22 PM PST by NonValueAdded (Pelosi, the call was for Comity, not Comedy. But thanks for the laughs. StarKisses, NVA.)
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To: Utah Girl

It's sort of turning out that all professional women are all victims all the time.


3 posted on 01/12/2007 8:08:33 PM PST by donna
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To: Utah Girl

Boxer may as well have said that, because Rice is black, she shouldn't be the Secretary of State of a nation comprised of 85% white people.


4 posted on 01/12/2007 8:08:58 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: Utah Girl

And notice that the NYT does NOT give the Boxer quote so we can all judge whether the remarks were subject to misunderstanding or if they were as crude and hateful as they sounded plopping from Boxer's lips. More cover from the MSM for their patrons.


5 posted on 01/12/2007 8:10:04 PM PST by NonValueAdded (Pelosi, the call was for Comity, not Comedy. But thanks for the laughs. StarKisses, NVA.)
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To: Utah Girl
Just another liberal coward who will not stand up and say:

"Yes, I said that and I meant it".

6 posted on 01/12/2007 8:12:48 PM PST by technomage (You get what you want one step at a time)
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To: NonValueAdded
Stupid is as stupid does, and Babs, you are now the official leader in the US Senate for the 2007 Dumb as Dirt Award.Congrats
7 posted on 01/12/2007 8:13:59 PM PST by neverhillorat (IF THE RATS WIN, WE ALL LOSE)
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To: Utah Girl

Senator Boxer saying that she is like Secretary Rice shows just how far out of touch she really is.


8 posted on 01/12/2007 8:15:28 PM PST by Just sayin (Is is what it is, for if it was anything else, it would be isn't.)
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To: Utah Girl

Barbara Boxer and 'common ground' with a Republican????

I've seen it all now.


9 posted on 01/12/2007 8:17:00 PM PST by abner (I have no tagline, therefore no identity.)
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To: NonValueAdded

OK, I see the quote is split by more explanation and the sequence does not quite follow the original NYP story. The full speech without interruprions has a much greater impact. Never the less, if that is how Boxer finds common ground, I'd hate to hear her trying to find separate ground.


10 posted on 01/12/2007 8:18:12 PM PST by NonValueAdded (Pelosi, the call was for Comity, not Comedy. But thanks for the laughs. StarKisses, NVA.)
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To: Utah Girl

Passing exchange, huh? It was a thoroughly planned partisan attack, over the top even by Boxer standards. She finally got some flak back, and suddenly she's a victim.

Typical.

Being a liberal means you never own your own behavior.


11 posted on 01/12/2007 8:18:34 PM PST by ArmstedFragg
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To: Utah Girl

A "Passing Exchange" ???? Holy DOWNPLAY BatMan! It was a friggen Senate Hearing ~! A passing exchange takes place in the mall.


12 posted on 01/12/2007 8:18:55 PM PST by Army MP Retired (There Will Be Many False Prophets)
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To: abner
I saw the whole thing. It was at the end of an emotional harangue a desperate housewife would be proud of.
13 posted on 01/12/2007 8:20:25 PM PST by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: Utah Girl

I notice that all the Senator's apologists on TV want to move the discussion away from the insult and onto the "bigger point," being, that someone who has children in Iraq is likely to veiw the war there differently (implied, more correctly) than someone who does not. I wonder if these people ever stopped to consider that those who do not have children in Iraq are more likely to make a logical judgment about it. That's the reason why we don't allow the victim's family members serve on a jury.


14 posted on 01/12/2007 8:21:49 PM PST by Lucas McCain (The day may come when the courage of men will fail...but not this day.)
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To: ArmstedFragg

“I’m saying, she’s like me,"

Now she's getting serious with the insults.


15 posted on 01/12/2007 8:23:46 PM PST by chopperman
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To: Utah Girl
In an interview on Friday, Senator Boxer said her comments had been misunderstood

Well Senator, if you cannot express yourself clearly, perhaps you should find another line of work.

16 posted on 01/12/2007 8:24:16 PM PST by Godzilla (When you remove the people's right to bear arms, you create slaves.)
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To: Utah Girl
A passing exchange!!!!!!!!!!!!

This was a well thought out attack on Dr. Rice.

The left fears her. They want to be sure she is never going to be a threat to her heinous.

They set out to destroy Dan Quayle, Dick Cheney, and now Dr. Rice.

They want no competition.

17 posted on 01/12/2007 8:32:00 PM PST by OldFriend (THE PRESS IS AN EVIL FOR WHICH THERE IS NO REMEDY)
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To: Peach
Common ground??????????????????

These two women have led polar opposite lives.

Dr. Rice, the great achiever, learned, articulate, and a contributing member of society.

What has Ms. Boxer ever done, other than make a jackass of herself every time she opens her vicious mouth.

18 posted on 01/12/2007 8:33:54 PM PST by OldFriend (THE PRESS IS AN EVIL FOR WHICH THERE IS NO REMEDY)
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To: OldFriend

You got that right. 100%.


19 posted on 01/12/2007 8:36:33 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: Utah Girl

Lighten up on poor ole Babs-it was probably just a botched joke!


20 posted on 01/12/2007 8:40:08 PM PST by mozarky2 (Ya never stand so tall as when ya stoop to stomp a statist!)
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To: Utah Girl
Why is it, with a wholly sympathetic mass media, the Dems are always "misunderstood"?
21 posted on 01/12/2007 8:50:47 PM PST by fat city (What part of cognitive dissonance don't you understand?)
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To: Utah Girl

Countering complaints of being insensitive, Barbara Boxer accused Ms. Rice of being "uppity" and suggested that Rice should "not speak unless spoken to" and should "learn to stay in her place."


22 posted on 01/12/2007 8:58:37 PM PST by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: Utah Girl
Boxer will be the gift that keeps on giving for the next two years - she's a blithering idiot and likes to prove it daily. Without cue cards or questions fed by staffers - she is stranded without a coherent thought.
23 posted on 01/12/2007 9:09:53 PM PST by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: Wally_Kalbacken

Worse, and more to the point, how dare she pretend to speak "on behalf" of those who pay the price (our military and their families) when any survey of those very same people would generate an overwhelming supportive response for our President and a frustrated and angry response to the traitors in the dim/media establishment.

Speaking of "chutzpah".


24 posted on 01/12/2007 9:29:22 PM PST by prov1813man (While the one you despise and ridicule works to protect you, those you embrace work to destroy you)
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To: OldFriend

Dr. Rice chose to be single and childless. I thought that was ok. Didn't feminist icon Gloria Stienem once claim women don't need men?


25 posted on 01/12/2007 10:03:27 PM PST by 3_wheeler (Freedom Isn't Free (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/conservative_americans))
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To: Utah Girl
If it had been me there, what I would have laid into the Bxr B* with would probably have cost me my job.

Wolf
26 posted on 01/12/2007 10:27:39 PM PST by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: Lucas McCain
I wonder if these people ever stopped to consider that those who do not have children in Iraq are more likely to make a logical judgment about it. That's the reason why we don't allow the victim's family members serve on a jury.

Well said!

27 posted on 01/12/2007 10:28:24 PM PST by Sergio (If a tree fell on a mime in the forest, would he make a sound?)
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To: prov1813man
Worse, and more to the point, how dare she pretend to speak "on behalf" of those who pay the price (our military and their families) when any survey of those very same people would generate an overwhelming supportive response for our President and a frustrated and angry response to the traitors in the dim/media establishment.

Another money line. Very good point.

28 posted on 01/12/2007 10:29:49 PM PST by Sergio (If a tree fell on a mime in the forest, would he make a sound?)
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To: Utah Girl

"Passing exchange"??? Screw you, NYT! Boxer made a total ass of herself, and PO'd a lot of people.


29 posted on 01/12/2007 10:33:39 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: Utah Girl
I expected that the New York Times would somehow report this story incorrectly, since it hurts Democrats, and in fact they misquote Pelosi's statement to Condi:

You’re not going to pay a particular price, as I understand it, with an immediate family.

What exactly is "an immediate family," and how would Condi pay a price with one? It's nonsensical.

Here is the Washington Times version of the quote:

You're not going to pay a particular price, as I understand it, within immediate family.

That makes sense, and it shows more clearly why Condi was right to be offended.

The NYT, wrong as usual.

30 posted on 01/12/2007 10:35:51 PM PST by TChad
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To: TChad; Tony Snow

Alright for Tony Snow standing up for Condi!


31 posted on 01/12/2007 10:40:45 PM PST by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: Utah Girl
And now Barbara Boxer is playing the victim card.

Actually, I think the NYT is playing the victim card FOR her.

32 posted on 01/12/2007 11:05:45 PM PST by Tuscaloosa Goldfinch (If MY people who are called by MY name -- the ball's in our court, folks.)
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To: Utah Girl

I think its important to mention that a general statement about the impact of the war on soldiers and the soldiers families would be ok (even though it doesnt have anything to do with debating the facts about a war), but singling Rice out and making it personal about her is where Boxer went way over the line.

Boxer really hates Condi Rice for some reason. Its weird.


33 posted on 01/12/2007 11:26:30 PM PST by OmegaMan
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To: Utah Girl

I know there are always freepers who argue with me about this and put Boxer at #2 or #3 just in the Senate, but I steadfastly maintain that Barbara Boxer is the single most stupid human being I have ever laid eyes on, hands down. Stupidity drips from the corners of her mouth.


34 posted on 01/12/2007 11:36:17 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: 3_wheeler
Boxer's vile attack on Dr. Rice reminded me of Tom Lantos suggesting to a witness that he, too, ought to commit suicide.

There is something very black in the hearts of democrats. Something too ugly to contemplate.

35 posted on 01/13/2007 4:44:32 AM PST by OldFriend (THE PRESS IS AN EVIL FOR WHICH THERE IS NO REMEDY)
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To: OldFriend

Boxer is one nasty and heartless woman. If she's supposedly so compassionate, why is she pro-choice?


36 posted on 01/13/2007 4:53:31 AM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Utah Girl
Boxer is never a victim. She victimizes. Such a low down, dirty classless beotch. An all around embarrassment who should have never been elected to public office.
37 posted on 01/13/2007 4:56:31 AM PST by onyx (DONATE NOW! -- It takes DONATIONS to keep FR running!!)
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To: Utah Girl

Thank God for the new media. Five years ago this would have gone totally unreported. Bye, bye, old media.


38 posted on 01/13/2007 4:57:15 AM PST by Lee'sGhost (Crom! Non-Sequitur = Pee Wee Herman.)
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To: Utah Girl

Hypocrite, thy name is liberal!


39 posted on 01/13/2007 5:01:07 AM PST by Samwise (The root word in "environmentalist" is "mental.")
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

I called Boxer's office yesterday morning. Told the aide that I shared the senator's angquish about the lives lost in Iraq. Then I asked if senator shared that same anquish over the babies murdered during partial birth abortion.


40 posted on 01/13/2007 5:19:11 AM PST by OldFriend (THE PRESS IS AN EVIL FOR WHICH THERE IS NO REMEDY)
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To: Utah Girl

Babs Boxer = J F'n Kerry in a skirt

Al


41 posted on 01/13/2007 5:23:57 AM PST by UpToHere
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To: Utah Girl
Rep. Neil Abercrombie of Hawaii called Miss Rice "the most overrated, underperforming individual in executive authority that I have ever seen." "She constantly gets a pass," he told the Honolulu Star Bulletin this week, days before the nation celebrates Martin Luther King Day. "Who knows if the whole question of race and gender come into it, but ... I can't account for it, except to say she isn't up to the mark."

I wonder if the NY Times is going to ask Abercrombie what he meant by his comments.

To me his comments are even more egregious than hers.

42 posted on 01/13/2007 5:24:53 AM PST by mware (By all that you hold dear... on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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To: NonValueAdded

Not surprising. NYT editors are used to doing the thinking for their readers.


43 posted on 01/13/2007 5:26:47 AM PST by Mr J (All IMHO.)
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To: Utah Girl

Sen. Boxer: "Who ya gonna believe.........me, or your lying eyes and ears??"


44 posted on 01/13/2007 5:27:56 AM PST by RightOnline
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To: Wilhelm Tell

Boxer should have quoted that famous Butterfly McQueen line, "I don't know nuthin' bout birthin no babies"

Botched joke water: Kerry and Boxer


45 posted on 01/13/2007 5:35:12 AM PST by healy61
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To: healy61

Botched joke watch: Kerry and Boxer

Making coffee now.


46 posted on 01/13/2007 5:40:49 AM PST by healy61
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To: Utah Girl
The Left is non-judgmental. Except when it comes to conservatives. Then being judgmental is not only permitted; its mandated. Barbara Boxer was being entirely in character as a Democrat with her adversary.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

47 posted on 01/13/2007 5:42:39 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Utah Girl
She is a victim. A victim of clueless voters that constantly send a nasty, unintelligent, illogical, unethical, and uninspiring idiot to represent them (and the country) in the US Senate.
48 posted on 01/13/2007 6:00:32 AM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: Army MP Retired

You said it!


49 posted on 01/13/2007 6:04:42 AM PST by Actually_in_Tokyo (ahead of the game)
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To: OldFriend
I called Boxer's office yesterday morning. Told the aide that I shared the senator's angquish about the lives lost in Iraq. Then I asked if senator shared that same anquish over the babies murdered during partial birth abortion.

GOOD FOR YOU!!

50 posted on 01/13/2007 8:38:22 AM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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