Photos taken in Ohio. Kinda goes full circle in history. Or simply nothing.
Posted on 01/15/2007 5:46:27 PM PST by FLOutdoorsman
A photograph taken in Beavercreek has some hoping it's proof of top-secret 'pulse jet' tests.
BEAVERCREEK — A Beavercreek man's photograph of an unusual aircraft condensation trail has sparked a high-flying debate among scientists and aviation fans over whether the Air Force or NASA is flying an aerospace vehicle with an exotic new propulsion system.
The photo of the vapor trail, taken Nov. 10 by amateur meteorologist Bill Telzerow from his backyard, shows a distinctive "doughnuts-on-a-rope" shape.
The photo has raised questions about whether an experimental propulsion system that uses pulse detonation engine technology is being tested here. The propulsion system could potentially hurtle manned craft at six times the speed of sound (Mach 6).
The photo has been downloaded several thousand times each day since it was posted on the Web a week ago by the Federation of American Scientists (www.fas.org/irp/mystery/donuts.html), a Washington, D.C.-based group of scientists and engineers who monitor national policies on technology and research.
"I don't think (the photo) is proof positive, but I think it's interesting and suggestive," said Steven Aftergood, a senior research analyst at the federation.
Similar vapor trail sightings nationwide from 1988 to 1992 fueled speculation that the Air Force was working on a top-secret successor to the SR-71 Blackbird spy plane.
Pulse detonation engines, or pulse jets, contain no moving parts and are lighter and more efficient than regular jet engines.
Fuel is injected into the air inside the tube and ignited in a rapidly-occurring series of pulses. General Electric and Pratt & Whitney are both exploring the technology.
The Air Force Research Laboratory at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base has conducted runway tests on a small version of a pulse detonation engine, but officials there say they have not yet flown a PDE craft.
Telzerow, a spotter for the National Weather Service, said he was photographing the wind gauge in his backyard when he noticed the unusual formation.
He snapped four photos over several minutes because "I'd never seen anything like it before."
He said he had no idea what it was until he talked to two ex-pilot friends, both of whom speculated it was from a pulse jet.
Tim Fry, an aerospace research engineer at the University of Dayton Research Institute, said he isn't convinced. Vapor trails "do wacky things. There could be any number of atmospheric disturbances going on that could cause it to lump together like that," he said.
Contact this reporter at (937) 225-2437 or jdebrosse@DaytonDailyNews.com.
Photos taken in Ohio. Kinda goes full circle in history. Or simply nothing.
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I think there have been quite a few photos of "doughnuts on a rope" vapor trails...
Yes the SR-71 left them when it flew. This is nothing new to get excited over lol
Paging Art Bell!
I think PDF would leave the same uniform vapor trail as any other jet. This is a atmospheric event.
"Hehe heh. He said Beaver-creek"
I have heard Art Bell and he is not an appealing character to me.
FYI
Yeah, he and his broadcast alternate, George Noury, are always going on about vapor trails being a government conspiracy to poison us/control our minds...
An P-51 with severe engine knock.
Beat me to it,..Aurora ping.
I need a sound bite of the loading zone is for drop off ony, no parking. Do you have one?
I have seen vapor trails criss-crossing the sky and then the sky is completely hazey so there is something to it.
Sorry but I don't think so.
That's a sweet runnin' Merlin.
Interesting none-the-less.
I have seen the unusual donuts on a rope (twice) when at altitude and it did not look like that. I suspect it is a test propulsion system. I would venture it is not produced by any atmospheric condition as it was very precisely uniform and extensive--at least several miles as I recall. My observations were both made while over the southwest US.
ping.
"the SR-71 left them when it flew"
Your source for that?
I have seen those here in Northern Alaska..
Beavercreek 'pulse jet'
Sounds like a new battery operated device.
"It" being completely routine air traffic and given certain fairly common upper level conditions of temperature and humidity, their vapor trails will spread out and persist for many hours, which in a high air traffic area will essentially cover the entire sky.
I wish I did, I'm near Wasilla. I bet its a "pulse-detonation" exhaust plume by the mach 5 jet being discussed on the net.
No...that's the Waste Management trash truck missing my curbside can once again. I live in one of our few "cellular friendly" blip areas, so all the drivers use my block to do the Friends And Family thing....sigh.
I've got some photos of the same thing I took in Longmont, Co. back in 2000. I've seen them twice coming out of Utah and climbing East. Very fast.
Oh yeah!!
http://www.mojonixon.com/elvis.ram
Sorry it's Real Media...
That doesn't look much like the other pictures I've seen. The pulses are very irregular both in size and spacing here.
You'reWe're not supposed to know that.
What?
Nothing! ....... FRegards
I think they call it phased pulse array.
Supposed to have learned it from crashed spaceships.
Exactly!
LoL
V-1 "Buzz Bomb", British recording from WWII, right?
Not just the Blackbird.
Some problems termed "Un-start" aside, why would the SR-71 which used conventional, if very exotic in detail, axial flow turbojet engines, J58s, create such a "pulse" type trail. I never heard of the Blackbird creating such trails, and I've been following the SR since it was first revealed, and was still treated as a highly classified, but no longer completely "black", asset.
Vapor trails are mostly water vapor, they are dispersed by upper level winds and turbulence. However that "blurring" is much less regular than the "donuts on a rope" trails.
Usually some guy named bubba after a few beers but this was a little more reliable.
Like to see some radar tapes.
Sounds like a B-36 to me.
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