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Unusual vapor trail causes speculation[Top-Secret 'pulse jet' tests]
Dayton Daily News ^ | 08 Jan 2007 | Jim DeBrosse

Posted on 01/15/2007 5:46:27 PM PST by FLOutdoorsman

A photograph taken in Beavercreek has some hoping it's proof of top-secret 'pulse jet' tests.

BEAVERCREEK — A Beavercreek man's photograph of an unusual aircraft condensation trail has sparked a high-flying debate among scientists and aviation fans over whether the Air Force or NASA is flying an aerospace vehicle with an exotic new propulsion system.

The photo of the vapor trail, taken Nov. 10 by amateur meteorologist Bill Telzerow from his backyard, shows a distinctive "doughnuts-on-a-rope" shape.

The photo has raised questions about whether an experimental propulsion system that uses pulse detonation engine technology is being tested here. The propulsion system could potentially hurtle manned craft at six times the speed of sound (Mach 6).

The photo has been downloaded several thousand times each day since it was posted on the Web a week ago by the Federation of American Scientists (www.fas.org/irp/mystery/donuts.html), a Washington, D.C.-based group of scientists and engineers who monitor national policies on technology and research.

"I don't think (the photo) is proof positive, but I think it's interesting and suggestive," said Steven Aftergood, a senior research analyst at the federation.

Similar vapor trail sightings nationwide from 1988 to 1992 fueled speculation that the Air Force was working on a top-secret successor to the SR-71 Blackbird spy plane.

Pulse detonation engines, or pulse jets, contain no moving parts and are lighter and more efficient than regular jet engines.

Fuel is injected into the air inside the tube and ignited in a rapidly-occurring series of pulses. General Electric and Pratt & Whitney are both exploring the technology.

The Air Force Research Laboratory at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base has conducted runway tests on a small version of a pulse detonation engine, but officials there say they have not yet flown a PDE craft.

Telzerow, a spotter for the National Weather Service, said he was photographing the wind gauge in his backyard when he noticed the unusual formation.

He snapped four photos over several minutes because "I'd never seen anything like it before."

He said he had no idea what it was until he talked to two ex-pilot friends, both of whom speculated it was from a pulse jet.

Tim Fry, an aerospace research engineer at the University of Dayton Research Institute, said he isn't convinced. Vapor trails "do wacky things. There could be any number of atmospheric disturbances going on that could cause it to lump together like that," he said.

Contact this reporter at (937) 225-2437 or jdebrosse@DaytonDailyNews.com.


TOPICS: Government; Miscellaneous; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: american; chemtrails; contrails; cuespookymusic; federation; jet; militarytechnology; miltech; of; pulse; scientists; stevenaftergood; topsecret; vaportrail
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Photos taken in Ohio. Kinda goes full circle in history. Or simply nothing.

1 posted on 01/15/2007 5:46:29 PM PST by FLOutdoorsman
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To: FLOutdoorsman

ping


2 posted on 01/15/2007 5:48:21 PM PST by unkus
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To: FLOutdoorsman
Any possibility this is a 'photoshop' hoax?
3 posted on 01/15/2007 5:50:07 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: FLOutdoorsman

I think there have been quite a few photos of "doughnuts on a rope" vapor trails...


4 posted on 01/15/2007 5:50:43 PM PST by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: xcamel

Yes the SR-71 left them when it flew. This is nothing new to get excited over lol


5 posted on 01/15/2007 5:52:07 PM PST by CMS (When injustice becomes law -rebellion becomes duty ||||Liberals: hard on fetuses soft on terrorists)
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To: FLOutdoorsman

Paging Art Bell!


6 posted on 01/15/2007 5:52:25 PM PST by LibFreeOrDie (L'Chaim!)
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To: FLOutdoorsman

I think PDF would leave the same uniform vapor trail as any other jet. This is a atmospheric event.


7 posted on 01/15/2007 5:55:14 PM PST by AZRepublican ("The degree in which a measure is necessary can never be a test of the legal right to adopt it.")
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To: FLOutdoorsman

8 posted on 01/15/2007 5:56:32 PM PST by fso301
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To: FLOutdoorsman

"Hehe heh. He said Beaver-creek"

9 posted on 01/15/2007 6:00:24 PM PST by GoldCountryRedneck ("Idiocy - Never under estimate the power of stupid people in large numbers" - despair.com)
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To: LibFreeOrDie

I have heard Art Bell and he is not an appealing character to me.


10 posted on 01/15/2007 6:00:28 PM PST by unkus
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To: FLOutdoorsman
Aurora
11 posted on 01/15/2007 6:02:20 PM PST by BallyBill (Serial Hit-N-Run poster)
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To: Eastbound

FYI


12 posted on 01/15/2007 6:03:23 PM PST by i_dont_chat (I have the right to offend. You can take offense or not.)
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To: unkus

Yeah, he and his broadcast alternate, George Noury, are always going on about vapor trails being a government conspiracy to poison us/control our minds...


13 posted on 01/15/2007 6:03:31 PM PST by LibFreeOrDie (L'Chaim!)
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To: FLOutdoorsman

An P-51 with severe engine knock.


14 posted on 01/15/2007 6:04:29 PM PST by My2Cents
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To: FLOutdoorsman
Did it sound like this?
15 posted on 01/15/2007 6:04:55 PM PST by fso301
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To: BallyBill

Beat me to it,..Aurora ping.


16 posted on 01/15/2007 6:07:00 PM PST by Cvengr
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To: fso301

I need a sound bite of the loading zone is for drop off ony, no parking. Do you have one?


17 posted on 01/15/2007 6:08:28 PM PST by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: My2Cents
An P-51 with severe engine knock.

This is a P51

18 posted on 01/15/2007 6:08:58 PM PST by fso301
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To: LibFreeOrDie

I have seen vapor trails criss-crossing the sky and then the sky is completely hazey so there is something to it.


19 posted on 01/15/2007 6:11:35 PM PST by unkus
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To: BallyBill

20 posted on 01/15/2007 6:15:10 PM PST by Rb ver. 2.0
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To: FLOutdoorsman
I suspect it's this guy. Image and video hosting by TinyPic
21 posted on 01/15/2007 6:16:37 PM PST by txroadkill (My post may be dumb, but I was named Time Mag's Person of the Year)
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To: edcoil
I need a sound bite of the loading zone is for drop off ony, no parking. Do you have one?

Sorry but I don't think so.

22 posted on 01/15/2007 6:19:50 PM PST by fso301
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To: fso301

That's a sweet runnin' Merlin.


23 posted on 01/15/2007 6:20:05 PM PST by kylaka
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To: FLOutdoorsman
What I saw, up here in the great NW, was like the pix only a lot more closely spaced donuts, regular appearing plane but way up high, two spotter planes, all going like a b outa h.
24 posted on 01/15/2007 6:22:26 PM PST by TWhiteBear
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To: xcamel
You are correct. I have seen a couple other pics. Being a tin-foil hatter and lsitening to C2C I've run across a few photos at their website of similar donut on a rope vapor trails.

Interesting none-the-less.

25 posted on 01/15/2007 6:24:41 PM PST by IllumiNaughtyByNature (8675309 - Call me, we'll do lunch.)
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To: FLOutdoorsman

I have seen the unusual donuts on a rope (twice) when at altitude and it did not look like that. I suspect it is a test propulsion system. I would venture it is not produced by any atmospheric condition as it was very precisely uniform and extensive--at least several miles as I recall. My observations were both made while over the southwest US.


26 posted on 01/15/2007 6:25:34 PM PST by petertare (!)
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To: FLOutdoorsman; Paleo Conservative

ping.


27 posted on 01/15/2007 6:31:28 PM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( WND, NewsMax, Townhall.com, Brietbart.com, and Drudge Report are not valid news sources.)
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To: CMS

"the SR-71 left them when it flew"

Your source for that?


28 posted on 01/15/2007 6:41:03 PM PST by oldbill
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To: FLOutdoorsman

I have seen those here in Northern Alaska..


29 posted on 01/15/2007 6:41:26 PM PST by alaskamomma
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To: edcoil
There's always "The white zone is for the immediate loading and unloading of passengers only." from the movie Airplane (4th from the bottom):

http://new.wavlist.com/movies/001/index.html
30 posted on 01/15/2007 6:46:01 PM PST by Stegall Tx ("FR is sustenance." {July 4 on 16 November})
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To: FLOutdoorsman

Beavercreek 'pulse jet'

Sounds like a new battery operated device.


31 posted on 01/15/2007 6:49:30 PM PST by Raycpa
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To: unkus
I have seen vapor trails criss-crossing the sky and then the sky is completely hazey so there is something to it.

"It" being completely routine air traffic and given certain fairly common upper level conditions of temperature and humidity, their vapor trails will spread out and persist for many hours, which in a high air traffic area will essentially cover the entire sky.

32 posted on 01/15/2007 6:50:13 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: alaskamomma

I wish I did, I'm near Wasilla. I bet its a "pulse-detonation" exhaust plume by the mach 5 jet being discussed on the net.


33 posted on 01/15/2007 6:54:57 PM PST by Eye of Unk
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To: fso301
This is a P51

No...that's the Waste Management trash truck missing my curbside can once again. I live in one of our few "cellular friendly" blip areas, so all the drivers use my block to do the Friends And Family thing....sigh.

34 posted on 01/15/2007 6:54:59 PM PST by ErnBatavia (recent nightmare: Googled up "Helen Thomas nude"....)
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To: FLOutdoorsman

I've got some photos of the same thing I took in Longmont, Co. back in 2000. I've seen them twice coming out of Utah and climbing East. Very fast.


35 posted on 01/15/2007 7:02:16 PM PST by dljordan
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To: txroadkill

Oh yeah!!
http://www.mojonixon.com/elvis.ram

Sorry it's Real Media...


36 posted on 01/15/2007 7:06:21 PM PST by Uriah_lost (We've got enough youth, how about a "fountain of smart")
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To: FLOutdoorsman

That doesn't look much like the other pictures I've seen. The pulses are very irregular both in size and spacing here.


37 posted on 01/15/2007 7:12:09 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: BallyBill
Aurora

You'reWe're not supposed to know that.

What?

Nothing! ....... FRegards

38 posted on 01/15/2007 7:12:10 PM PST by gonzo (I'm not confused anymore. Now I'm sure we have to completely destroy Islam, and FAST!!)
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To: FLOutdoorsman
This is nothing more than a jet in need of a tuneup and some higher octane fuel. The puffs of vapor are miniature backfires from the jet engine.
39 posted on 01/15/2007 7:18:30 PM PST by Arcy
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To: FLOutdoorsman
I saw what I'm pretty sure was a passing "Aurora" over Poway, CA one afternoon. The aircraft went horizon to horizon in about 10 seconds and left distinct, round white puffs behind it. There wasn't a continuous contrail as shown in the photograph.
40 posted on 01/15/2007 7:27:47 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: FLOutdoorsman

I think they call it phased pulse array.

Supposed to have learned it from crashed spaceships.


41 posted on 01/15/2007 7:30:44 PM PST by Joe Boucher (an enemy of islam)
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To: BallyBill

Exactly!


42 posted on 01/15/2007 7:32:23 PM PST by jesseam
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To: Uriah_lost

LoL


43 posted on 01/15/2007 7:34:04 PM PST by txroadkill (My post may be dumb, but I was named Time Mag's Person of the Year)
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To: fso301

V-1 "Buzz Bomb", British recording from WWII, right?


44 posted on 01/15/2007 7:37:28 PM PST by jonascord ("Don't shoot 'em! Let 'em burn!...")
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To: Joe Boucher
I doubt spacecraft would be using jet fuel.

BTW, I was in the airline industry until very recently... and there is a LOT of buzz about the November 2006 Chicago airport UFO incident. Many pilots and ground personnel saw it. A lot of skeptics are now believers....
45 posted on 01/15/2007 7:39:28 PM PST by StolarStorm
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To: CMS

Not just the Blackbird.

46 posted on 01/15/2007 7:41:16 PM PST by AFreeBird (If American "cowboy diplomacy" did not exist, it would be necessary to invent it.)
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To: CMS
Yes the SR-71 left them when it flew.

Some problems termed "Un-start" aside, why would the SR-71 which used conventional, if very exotic in detail, axial flow turbojet engines, J58s, create such a "pulse" type trail. I never heard of the Blackbird creating such trails, and I've been following the SR since it was first revealed, and was still treated as a highly classified, but no longer completely "black", asset.


47 posted on 01/15/2007 7:42:03 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: unkus
I have seen vapor trails criss-crossing the sky and then the sky is completely hazey so there is something to it.

Vapor trails are mostly water vapor, they are dispersed by upper level winds and turbulence. However that "blurring" is much less regular than the "donuts on a rope" trails.

48 posted on 01/15/2007 7:46:47 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: StolarStorm

Usually some guy named bubba after a few beers but this was a little more reliable.
Like to see some radar tapes.


49 posted on 01/15/2007 7:47:14 PM PST by Joe Boucher (an enemy of islam)
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To: fso301

Sounds like a B-36 to me.


50 posted on 01/15/2007 7:49:20 PM PST by NYFreeper
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