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It's official, Elvis lives [inflationary cosmology saves the King!]
Telegraph.co.uk ^ | 16 January 2007 | Marcus Chown

Posted on 01/15/2007 6:32:55 PM PST by snarks_when_bored

It's official, Elvis lives


Last Updated: 12:01am GMT 16/01/2007

It might sound a little crazy, but our standard theories of cosmology and physics suggest that an infinite number of Presleys still exist, says Marcus Chown. And if that's not scary enough, it also means that you, and these words, are repeated ad infinitum across the universe

Elvis is alive. No, really! He didn't die of a cardiac arrest in his bathroom at Graceland on August 16, 1977. Instead, he slipped out of the back door under cover of darkness dressed as a nun, had a sex change and worked for several years in a gas station in Ohio. She/he has now retired, is living on the Gulf Coast and is in tip-top health. After all, she's still only 71.

 
Elvis Presley
The King rules again, and again, and again... as an unavoidable consequence of 'inflation’ in the universe

Have I done a David Icke and gone conspiracy mad? Not at all. Elvis is alive and kicking, all right. Not here on Earth - but in an infinite number of other places in the universe. I have just revealed cosmology's dirty little secret – the thing the people who spend their time theorising about the universe rarely like to mention except in a whisper. And who can honestly blame them?

Elvis's survival turns out to be an unavoidable consequence of two things – the standard theory of cosmology and the standard theory of physics, "quantum theory". Take cosmology first.

According to the standard picture, the universe underwent a brief, super-fast period of expansion in its first split-second of existence. It goes by the name of "inflation". You don't need to know much about inflation – what drove it or why cosmologists believe it happened. You just need to know one thing: inflation implies the universe goes on for ever – it is effectively infinite in extent.

The universe we see through our telescopes, however, does not look infinite. Far from it. Everything burst into being 13.7 billion years ago in the explosion of the Big Bang, so we see only the galaxies whose light has taken less than 13.7 billion years to get to us.

Galaxies whose light would take, say 14.7 billion years, we don't see – their light is still on its way to Earth. For this reason, there is a "light horizon" around our bit of the universe and everything we can see within it we call the "observable universe".

But, just as there is more beyond the horizon at sea, there is more of the universe beyond its horizon. In fact, an infinite amount, according to inflation. Imagine our observable universe shrunk to the size of a soap bubble. Well, according to inflation, beyond our soap bubble are an infinite number of other soap bubbles, all similar to our observable universe.

It is easy to speculate on what it is like in the other bubble regions because we have a pretty good idea how the galaxies in the observable universe came to be. Some regions of the Big Bang fireball were ever-so-slightly denser than others. They acted as "seeds" for the growth of galaxies.

Specifically, they had stronger gravity than surrounding regions and so gathered in matter from about them. This made their gravity even stronger so they could pull in more matter. In a process akin to the rich getting ever richer, they gradually produced the galaxies like our own Milky Way and its neighbour, Andromeda.

Now, inflation is no airy-fairy theoretical idea. It has been pretty much confirmed in the past year by data collected by Nasa's "Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe", which is observing the dim "afterglow" of the Big Bang fireball from far out in space. And inflation predicts more than that – there are an infinite number of bubble regions like our observable universe.

It also predicts something else significant – that the seeds of galaxies were randomly scattered throughout the Big Bang fireball. Consequently, in the next soap-bubble region to our own, the seeds were different, which means that the history of that region was different, and the galaxies that formed were not the same as ours. And the same goes for the next region. And the next...

Though Elvis has not made a look in yet, don't worry, we're getting there!

The last thing you need to know to understand why the King still lives is that the universe is quantum. This means that, ultimately, everything comes in tiny, indivisible grains, or "quanta". Matter comes in indivisible grains. Time comes in indivisible grains. And so does space.

If we could look at space with some kind of super-microscope – way beyond the power of any instrument we can build today – it would resolve itself into a grid of tiny cubes. For the sake of simplicity, think of it instead as the two-dimensional grid of squares of a chessboard.

In this picture, we might have a galaxy-spawning seed of matter on one square, and another seed on another square; and so on. But, and this is the key, there are only a finite number of ways of arranging the seeds just as there are only a finite number of ways of arranging the pieces on a chessboard.

So there are only a finite number of possible histories for a universe leading to only a finite number of possible arrangements of galaxies.

If your head hasn't yet exploded, you now have all you need to understand the first paragraph of this article.

If there are an infinite number of regions like our observable universe but only a finite number of histories for such regions, then every possible history happens not once but an infinite number of times.

"There are an infinite number of places in the universe where Elvis is alive and kicking," says one of the contributors to inflation theory, Alex Vilenkin of Tufts University.

There are also an infinite number of places where Shane Warne was born in Surrey, and England never lose the Ashes. There are an infinite number of places where The Telegraph liked this article so much it decided to pay me a million pounds and run a special colour supplement solely to advertise my new book.

But all of this also has implications for you, not just Elvis and Shane Warne. There are an infinite number of regions in the universe exactly the same as the observable universe. And each contains a perfect copy of you who, up until this instant, has experienced everything you have ever experienced. This is no fanciful prediction.

"It is possible to calculate precisely how far away is the nearest region identical to our observable universe," says Vilenkin.

"It's 10^10^100 centimetres away." (10^100 is 1 followed by 100 zeroes, so I'll leave to imagine how "vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big" 10^ (10^100) is, to steal Douglas Adams's words. As an anorak aside, Google, the name of the ubiquitous web search engine, is a misspelling of "Googol", which means 10^100. There is even a name for 10^Googol – 1 followed by a Googol of zeroes. A "Googolplex"!).

And remember, the existence of your doppelgangers is an unavoidable consequence of our standard theory of cosmology and our standard theory of physics. Your doubles do not exist only if one or both of these theories is wrong, which very few physicists are – frankly - prepared to countenance.

I have a soft spot for this whole idea because, even if you think this is the dullest and most incomprehensible article you have ever read, I can console myself with the thought that, in an infinite number of other space domains, you were so impressed that you emailed it to every person in your address book and bought copies of my book for all your friends and family.

  • Marcus Chown's book, 'The Never-Ending Days of Being Dead: Dispatches from the Frontline of Science' is published by Faber & Faber on 18 January, 2007 and is available for £13.99 (rrp £15.99) + £1.25 p&p. To order call Telegraph Books on 0870 428 4112



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KEYWORDS: cosmicinflation; cosmology; physics; quantummechanics
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1 posted on 01/15/2007 6:32:57 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: RadioAstronomer; longshadow; grey_whiskers; PatrickHenry; headsonpikes; Iris7; Junior; ...

The King lives...all over the place...


2 posted on 01/15/2007 6:33:59 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: snarks_when_bored
Cue Mojo Nixon.....
3 posted on 01/15/2007 6:36:48 PM PST by cmsgop ( How do we know he's NOT Mel Torme?)
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To: snarks_when_bored

Thank yuh varrah mush.


4 posted on 01/15/2007 6:36:48 PM PST by commandante_zero (Nice kitty, kitty...ZOT!)
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To: snarks_when_bored

weird physics bump


5 posted on 01/15/2007 6:37:23 PM PST by lesser_satan (EKTHELTHIOR!!!)
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To: snarks_when_bored

So somewhere my pet dog Blackie lives on. Sniff.


6 posted on 01/15/2007 6:38:59 PM PST by saganite (Billions and billions and billions-------and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: snarks_when_bored

Pass the bong, man.


7 posted on 01/15/2007 6:40:08 PM PST by Nachoman (Just because you're a kook doesn't mean there isn't a conspiracy.)
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To: snarks_when_bored

This had been guessed at years ago in DC Comics when Superman would try to go into the past and change things, only to find that he went into a parallel universe. The DC editors even maintained that in an infinite universe, there would be a few with a REAL Superman where their stories actually happened. The 50's through '80's Superman was earth-1, the golden age Saperman was on earth-2. We live on earth-prime. More earths were made for Captain Marvel, Quality comics heroes and various rogue superheroes.

There was also a scifi short story where people found out about this and started killing themselves because somewhere else another version of them did not make the same stupid mistakes.

Frankly, there are severe metaphysical problems with this approach. Stanley Jaki deals with this in "Is there a multiverse?" I am sure there are better treatises that show the theory to be absurd.


8 posted on 01/15/2007 6:42:31 PM PST by sittnick (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: cmsgop

Elvis needs boats!


9 posted on 01/15/2007 6:42:36 PM PST by Doohickey (I am not unappeasable. YOU are just too easily appeased.)
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To: snarks_when_bored

He left an an important piece. These infinite universes are expanding and eventually will collide.

And no one knows what will happen then.


10 posted on 01/15/2007 6:44:17 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: sittnick
Do you have a link for Jaki's article?

Here are some archiv.org links to articles about the multiverse:

http://xxx.lanl.gov/find/grp_physics/1/ti:+multiverse/0/1/0/all/0/1

11 posted on 01/15/2007 6:47:50 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: cmsgop; SortaBichy
Enhancing Sorta's Graceland Adventure Bump!

(Elvis woulda loved the concept of an In-N-Out Double Double...I could use one myself, just about now)

12 posted on 01/15/2007 6:48:25 PM PST by ErnBatavia (recent nightmare: Googled up "Helen Thomas nude"....)
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To: snarks_when_bored
Something that I have never heard scientists discuss in regards to infinite multiverses:

With infinite multiverses there is no such thing as morality.

If every possible universe exists then there are an infinite number of universes in which I am a saint and an infinite number of universes in which I am an axe murderer.

Even if at some level God has decided that axe murdering is a bad thing, if He has created a universe in which infinite copies of each person he created are axe murderers then it doesn't say much for the proscription against axe murdering.

It would be like the enforcement of speeding laws where everyone is pretty much allowed to speed most of the time and are only nabbed when they are speeding excessively or the odd occasion when the officers are overly zealous.

Or like the current "enforcement" of our immigration laws.

13 posted on 01/15/2007 6:50:13 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: Dog Gone
When pairs of bubbles collide, there will be Double Trouble!
14 posted on 01/15/2007 6:50:47 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: snarks_when_bored

Well, I hope that the other bannies are as fortunate as I have been in being an American.


15 posted on 01/15/2007 6:50:53 PM PST by bannie
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To: snarks_when_bored

Cool theory, but when are the creationists going to show up?


16 posted on 01/15/2007 6:51:11 PM PST by phantomworker ("Ask me whether what I have done is my life." - Wm Stafford)
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To: sittnick

Bizarro World?


17 posted on 01/15/2007 6:51:26 PM PST by bannie
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To: potlatch; snarks_when_bored


18 posted on 01/15/2007 6:51:49 PM PST by devolve ( ....shop_invest_and_hire_wisely)
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To: snarks_when_bored

LOL, that's one potential outcome, but as a layman I'd have to say that there are probably an infinite amount of outcomes.

I mean, it has to be possible that when two of the universes collide, American Idol is on every channel all day long.

[shudder]


19 posted on 01/15/2007 6:54:35 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: devolve

I was afraid of this, lol. You've got Elvis singing, "I'm All Shook Up"!!


20 posted on 01/15/2007 6:56:06 PM PST by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: ErnBatavia
My Mom said it was in the 20's last night in PS, up here in WA it was 18. I'm shocked
21 posted on 01/15/2007 6:56:33 PM PST by cmsgop ( How do we know he's NOT Mel Torme?)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

The nihilist holds that all is permitted. The multiverse theorist holds that all that accords with the laws of inflation and quantum mechanics is permitted. Either way, though, the notion that there's a deity that lays down and subsequently enforces a unique moral law fades away.


22 posted on 01/15/2007 6:58:01 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: cmsgop

ELVIS IS EVERYWHERE - Mojo Nixon

When I look out into your eyes out there,
When I look out into your faces,
You know what I see?
I see a little bit of Elvis
In each and every one of you out there.

Lemme tell ya...
Weeeeeeeeeellllllll...

Elvis is everywhere
Elvis is everything
Elvis is everybody
Elvis is still the king

Man o man
What I want you to see
Is that the big E's
Inside of you and me

Elvis is everywhere, man!
He's in everything.
He's in everybody...

Elvis is in your jeans.
He's in your cheesburgers
Elvis is in Nutty Buddies!
Elvis is in your mom!

He's in everybody.
He's in the young, the old,
the fat, the skinny,
the white, the black
the brown and the blue
people got Elvis in 'em too

Elvis is in everybody out there.
Everybody's got Elvis in them!
Everybody except one person that is...
Yeah, one person!
The evil opposite of Elvis.
The Anti-Elvis

Anti-Elvis got no Elvis in 'em,
lemme tell ya.

Michael J. Fox has no Elvis in him.

And Elvis is in Joan Rivers
but he's trying to get out, man!
He's trying to get out!
Listen up Joanie Baby!

Elvis is everywhere
Elvis is everything
Elvis is everybody
Elvis is still the king

Man o man
What I want you to see
Is that the big E's
Inside of you and me

Man, there's a lot of unexplained phenomenon
out there in the world.
Lot of things people say
What the heck's going on?

Let me tell ya!

Who built the pyramids?
ELVIS!
Who built Stonehenge?
ELVIS!

Yeah, man you see guys
walking down the street
pushing shopping carts
and you think they're talking to allah,
they're talking to themself.
Man, no they're talking to ELVIS!
ELVIS! ELVIS!

You know whats going on in that Bermuda Triangle?
Down in the Bermuda Traingle
Elvis needs boats.
Elvis needs boats.
Elvis Elvis Elvis
Elvis Elvis Elvis
Elvis needs boats.

Aahh! The Sailing Elvis!
Captain Elvis!
Commodore Elvis it is.

Yeah man, you know people from outer space,
people from outer space they come up to me.
They don't look like like Doctor Spock.
They don't look like Klingons,
all that Star Trek jive.

They look like Elvis.
ELVIS!
Everybody in outer space looks like Elvis.
Cause Elvis is a perfect being.
We are all moving in perfect peace and harmony towards Elvisness

Soon all will become Elvis.
Everything everywhere will be Elvis.
Why do you think they call it evolution anyway?
It's really Elvislution!
Elvislution!

Elvis is everywhere
Elvis is everything
Elvis is everybody
Elvis is still the king

Man o man
What I want you to see
Is that the big E's
Inside of you and me

That's right ladies and gentlemen,
The time has come!
Time has come to talk
To that little bit of Elvis inside of you.

Talk to it!
Call it up!
Say "Elvis, heal me!"
"Save me, Elvis!"
"Make me be born again
in the perfect Elvis light"

That's right!
You've got that Elvis inside of ya
and he's talkin to ya
He says he wants you to sing!
Everybody's got to sing like the king!

Like the king
Get that leg going now
Get your lip too.
Not no fool Billy Idol lip either
Everybody!
Yeah, we're rockin now!

Elvis is with us.
He's with us and he's speaking to us.
He says "Peoples!"
"Peoples!"
"Everybody!"
"Everybody got to sing!"

Elvis is everywhere
Elvis is everything
Elvis is everybody
Elvis is still the king

Man o man
What I want you to see
Is that the big E's
Inside of you and me

Elvis is everywhere
Elvis is everything
Elvis is everybody
Elvis is still the king

Man o man
What I want you to see
Is that the big E's
Inside of you and me

Elvis!



23 posted on 01/15/2007 6:58:02 PM PST by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Championship U)
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To: potlatch


Good choice

3 cells instead of 1 and I coulda done that!


24 posted on 01/15/2007 6:59:18 PM PST by devolve ( ....shop_invest_and_hire_wisely)
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To: devolve

Too late, too late, lol.


25 posted on 01/15/2007 7:01:57 PM PST by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: snarks_when_bored

There's no cosmology to back up the theory, but such a formulation also means that every possible Earth gets "born" at a different time.

So, sufficient distance travel would be the same as time travel.

Even so, it doesn't help. Whatever world you're trying to find, it will take you an infinity to find it.

Which reminds of my tagline of long ago -- "I once thought that I would live forever ... but that was an eternity ago."


26 posted on 01/15/2007 7:06:04 PM PST by NicknamedBob (My tuner doesn't have good taste the way it used to!)
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To: NicknamedBob
There's no cosmology to back up the theory...

From the article:

Now, inflation is no airy-fairy theoretical idea. It has been pretty much confirmed in the past year by data collected by Nasa's "Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe", which is observing the dim "afterglow" of the Big Bang fireball from far out in space. And inflation predicts more than that – there are an infinite number of bubble regions like our observable universe.

27 posted on 01/15/2007 7:10:22 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: KevinDavis; sig226

Ping....I wonder who else I pinged in some of those
alternate planes....JJ61(or am I 62 here?)


28 posted on 01/15/2007 7:14:17 PM PST by JerseyJohn61 (Better Late Than Never.......sometimes over lapping is worth the effort....)
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To: snarks_when_bored
Elvis still lives and so does John Wayne, Marilyn Monroe, and a lot of other influential people. They are alive in our thoughts, dreams, and motivations because they are an important part of history...the part we need to learn from.

*The last 7 words of that sentence should earn me a retroactive failure in my English classes back in the early 60's at Iowa State.

29 posted on 01/15/2007 7:14:58 PM PST by capt. norm (Liberalism = cowardice disguised as tolerance.)
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To: snarks_when_bored
Oh, great, we can look forward to seeing Tickle Me II !


30 posted on 01/15/2007 7:18:49 PM PST by Revolting cat! (We all need someone we can bleed on...)
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To: dfwgator

http://www.mojonixon.com/elvis.ram


31 posted on 01/15/2007 7:20:01 PM PST by Uriah_lost (We've got enough youth, how about a "fountain of smart")
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To: snarks_when_bored
No, I meant there's no evidence to suggest that my interpretation, (that the Earths start out at different times,) is any more valid than their starting out in synchrony.
32 posted on 01/15/2007 7:29:14 PM PST by NicknamedBob (My tuner doesn't have good taste the way it used to!)
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To: Revolting cat!

!!


33 posted on 01/15/2007 7:29:34 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: NicknamedBob

Ah, I see...


34 posted on 01/15/2007 7:31:04 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: snarks_when_bored
Damn right he lives,I saw him Crying In The Chapel
35 posted on 01/15/2007 7:36:40 PM PST by mdittmar (May God watch over those who serve,and have served, to keep us free.)
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To: potlatch

 SORRY POTLATCH! 

  I'M ALL SHOOK UP! 


36 posted on 01/15/2007 7:40:09 PM PST by devolve ( ....shop_invest_and_hire_wisely)
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To: mdittmar
Damn right he lives,I saw him Crying In The Chapel
37 posted on 01/15/2007 7:40:51 PM PST by mdittmar (May God watch over those who serve,and have served, to keep us free.)
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To: devolve

Aww, that is very cute! Looks like Charlie is singing along!

You've got the one and only 'you know what' on the internet right now!!


38 posted on 01/15/2007 7:45:11 PM PST by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: sittnick

"I am sure there are better treatises that show the theory to be absurd."

It does seem crazy, doesn't it? As crazy as invisible men in the sky, though? Hmmmm. To each his (many) own, I guess.


39 posted on 01/15/2007 7:48:53 PM PST by gcruse (http://garycruse.blogspot.com/)
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To: snarks_when_bored
My older sister brought me up on Elvis. I was just in a child, and she was a young teen madly in love with him. My daddy made sure she had a record player, and she saved her lunch money to buy his records. I think I know about every lyric to every song, even the ones from the crappy movies Crnl Parker stuck him with. He was such a gentleman, just a poor country boy with a strong faith, and USED by so many. He had the potential to be one of the great actors of all time. Below is on of my favorite pictures of Elvis, in his prime, and the song that best describes him:

Mississippi in the middle of a dry spell
Jimmy Rogers on the victrola up high
Mama's dancing with baby on her shoulder

The Sun is setting like molasses in the sky.
The boy could sing, knew how to move, everything.
Always wanting more, he'd leave you longing for.

Black velvet and that little boy smile
Black velvet with that slow southern style
A new religion that'll bring you to your knees
Black velvet if you please.

Up in Memphis the music's like a heat wave
White lightning, bound to drive you wild.
Mama's baby's in the heart of every school girl
"Love me tender" leaves 'em cryin' in the aisle
The way he moved, it was a sin, so sweet and true.
Always wanting more, he'd leave you longing for

Black velvet and that little boy smile
Black velvet with that slow southern style
A new religion that'll bring you to your knees
Black velvet if you please.

Every word of every song that he sang was for you.
In a flash he was gone, it happened so soon,
What could you do?

Black velvet and that little boy smile
Black velvet with that slow southern style
Black velvet, if you please.

40 posted on 01/15/2007 7:49:26 PM PST by LisaMalia (God Bless President Bush and our Troops....still proud of my Buckeyes!....)
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To: potlatch; PhilDragoo; ntnychik; MeekOneGOP; dixiechick2000; Lady Jag; Liz; dfwgator




 PYRAMIDS?! 

  LITTLE DARLIN' 




41 posted on 01/15/2007 8:16:09 PM PST by devolve ( ....shop_invest_and_hire_wisely)
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To: snarks_when_bored
Hugh Everett's Many World's Theory that all possible outcomes are realized.

Holy moly.

42 posted on 01/15/2007 8:17:00 PM PST by onedoug
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To: snarks_when_bored
Uh, I'm so glad I read this....


43 posted on 01/15/2007 8:21:20 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s......you weren't really there)
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To: onedoug
Hugh Everett's Many World's Theory that all possible outcomes are realized.

Not quite. The bubble universes in the multiverse occupy the same causal reality; the many worlds of Everett continue to branch into separate causal realities.

44 posted on 01/15/2007 8:28:07 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: snarks_when_bored

"Ah'm everywhere there's enough peanut butter and banana sandwiches an' fried chicken an' biscuits, baby!"

45 posted on 01/15/2007 8:31:25 PM PST by WestVirginiaRebel (I'm pretty sure the phrase life is too short doesn't exist in Islam-Dennis Miller)
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To: devolve

Very nice, you're in your 'element'!


46 posted on 01/15/2007 8:38:29 PM PST by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: snarks_when_bored
The nihilist holds that all is permitted. The multiverse theorist holds that all that accords with the laws of inflation and quantum mechanics is permitted. Either way, though, the notion that there's a deity that lays down and subsequently enforces a unique moral law fades away.

The diety fades away in part because of the concept of infinity, that being, if the diety created the universe, who created the diety? However, the same concept of infinity raises the same question of where did all the energy/matter in the universe/multiverse come from?

47 posted on 01/15/2007 8:41:54 PM PST by fso301
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To: fso301
...where did all the energy/matter in the universe/multiverse come from?

Ex nihilo. If nothingness is unstable, there is a non-zero (albeit terrifyingly miniscule) probability for a patch of negative pressure energy to come into being; once that happens, the process of inflation gets underway and extends to spatial infinity and towards temporal (future, at least) eternity, giving birth to infinitely many bubble universes along the way.

48 posted on 01/15/2007 8:51:17 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: snarks_when_bored
Ex nihilo. If nothingness is unstable, there is a non-zero (albeit terrifyingly miniscule) probability for a patch of negative pressure energy to come into being; once that happens, the process of inflation gets underway and extends to spatial infinity and towards temporal (future, at least) eternity, giving birth to infinitely many bubble universes along the way.

Very interesting, I never heard of such concept. Of course, since i don't pretent to understand cosmology, that should come as no surprise.

49 posted on 01/15/2007 9:03:59 PM PST by fso301
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There was also a scifi short story where people found out about this and started killing themselves because somewhere else another version of them did not make the same stupid mistakes.

"All the Myriad Ways" by Larry Niven.

The story involves the discovery of parallel universes where a universe is created every time someone makes a decision. Wheat bread or rye for your sandwich? Parallel universe created right there: one where you had wheat bread and another where you choose rye. The realization that such universes are created for each decision robs a large segment of the population from the belief in right and wrong. After all if you agonize over this moral choice, what good does it do you? A parallel version of yourself will make the exact opposite choice. So there is no right or wrong. Everything will occur anyway. So, given that, why not do whatever you want? Or why not think about killing yourself and in so pondering the question, another parallel universe is created in which you actually do the deed.

50 posted on 01/15/2007 9:11:08 PM PST by PackerBronco
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