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FBI probes fatal Ariz. border shooting
AP on Yahoo ^ | 1/15/07 | AP

Posted on 01/15/2007 7:39:25 PM PST by NormsRevenge

PHOENIX - The FBI said Monday it was investigating the shooting death of a Mexican immigrant by a U.S. Border Patrol agent that had been criticized by Mexican President Felipe Calderon.

Francisco Javier Dominguez-Rivera, 22, of Puebla, Mexico, was killed Friday in a confrontation with the unidentified agent north of the U.S.-Mexico border between Bisbee and Douglas.

On Sunday, Calderon expressed his "most energetic protest" against the shooting.

A group of seven people were crossing the desert and the agent took six of them into custody without incident, authorities said.

But the agent and Dominguez-Rivera began fighting, authorities said. The agent, who believed his life was in danger, shot and killed the man, the Border Patrol said previously. An autopsy was scheduled Wednesday.

The agent was put on paid administrative leave pending the investigation.

FBI spokeswoman Deborah McCarley and Gustavo Soto, a spokesman with the U.S. Border Patrol Tucson sector, both declined Monday to provide details of the case.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; Mexico
KEYWORDS: aliens; border; fbi; immigrantlist; probes; shooting

1 posted on 01/15/2007 7:39:27 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge
The border war kind of reminds me of Viet Nam when LBJ and McNamara had one arm tied behind the back of our military.

It is absolutely incredible IMO of how GWB can allow this kind of thing to happen that border patrol agents can be prosecuted.

2 posted on 01/15/2007 7:43:33 PM PST by oldtimer
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To: NormsRevenge
What would happen if a group of Guatemalans illegally crossed the border with Mexico and begin fighting with the Mexican border patrol?

Hey Felipie, if you don't want you people shot, try telling them to cross at legal border crossings, weight their turn and don't fight with our border guards. Is that so hard to understand?

3 posted on 01/15/2007 7:44:19 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: NormsRevenge

What's there to probe ? A trespasser has been shot and killed.


4 posted on 01/15/2007 7:44:32 PM PST by HarmlessLovableFuzzball
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To: NormsRevenge

Why in God's name would anyone be a border agent when you are investigated and thrown in jail for doing your job?


5 posted on 01/15/2007 7:46:14 PM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: NormsRevenge

I'm getting sick and tired of an administration that won't back up its own forces. As for the FBI, I wouldn't trust them any farther than I could kick them in an investigation like this.

They won't allow the National Guard to defend themselves, and they jail any immigration officials who try to do their job. Even if they don't care about protecting their own people, this is no way to score points with their base.


6 posted on 01/15/2007 7:49:44 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: NormsRevenge
shooting death of a Mexican immigrant national illegally crossing the border by a U.S. Border Patrol agent

This is not an immigrant. This is, was, a foreign national illegally entering our country from Mexico. Interesting how we Americans citizens now must show passports to get back into our own country while illegals need nothing.

On Sunday, Calderon expressed his "most energetic protest" against the shooting.

Yeah, well kiss my muscular ass. I protest the hundreds, thousands of murders, rapes, molestations, aggravated robberies that are perpetrated on US citizens by Mexican nationals illegally in the USA!!

7 posted on 01/15/2007 7:51:18 PM PST by technomage (You get what you want one step at a time)
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To: Rodney King

Looks like our government is sending them a message. If Border Agents are union, they should walk off the job in protest.


8 posted on 01/15/2007 7:57:29 PM PST by processing please hold (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: NormsRevenge
Calderon expressed his "most energetic protest" against the shooting.

Nevermind the American people's "most energetic protest" about these people coming here illegaly.

Yoo hoo, Mr. Calderon! Tell your people to stay home and they won't risk being killed by people who are doing exactly what they were hired to do.

9 posted on 01/15/2007 8:05:18 PM PST by PistolPaknMama (Al-Queda can recruit on college campuses but the US military can't! --FReeper airborne)
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To: NormsRevenge
The Bush policy; We can and will protect and secure the borders of Iraq and Afghanistan! But when it comes to the borders he has sworn to protect and defend, it seems to be, "So what's a few million illegal invaders, as long as the all talk mexican."

The longer this invasion of our borders goes on and the President ignores it, the more I pray the d's will impeach him.
10 posted on 01/15/2007 8:20:19 PM PST by thiscouldbemoreconfusing
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This is appalling. If our own government is going to hound and persecute Border Agents forced to protect themselves from violent border crossers, we might as well open the gates and look the other way. Bush is guilty of dereliction of duty for caving to Mexican pressure and prosecuting our Border Patrol Officers.


11 posted on 01/15/2007 8:51:57 PM PST by Godwin1
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To: NormsRevenge

The Border Patrol agent will probably be given 12 years in prison...


12 posted on 01/15/2007 9:22:24 PM PST by Redbob
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To: HarmlessLovableFuzzball

So are you saying that nobody should look into this killing by a law enforcement officer??? Would you expand this blanket immunity to other law enforcement officers??? Should the next shooting by your local sheriff just be swept under the rug?? I'd rather not go down the road where lethal force is used with complete impunity. Regardless of who is killed. And I'm no big fan of illegal immigration, I'd just like us to stay on the civilized side of the abyss. Some of the blood-thirsty responses I read on here amaze me, why don't we just bring back the gladiators and throw the damn Mexicans to them or the lions??? What I'd rather see is a 30' concrete wall and controlled immigration.


13 posted on 01/15/2007 9:43:56 PM PST by rednesss
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To: rednesss
bring back the gladiators and throw the damn Mexicans to them or the lions

Now you are talking.

14 posted on 01/15/2007 9:53:28 PM PST by HarmlessLovableFuzzball
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To: rednesss
Unfortunately, the government's recent past isn't good.

Bush's Department of Justice, brought an admitted Mexican drug smuggler, who had been wounded by BP agents to the U.S. to testify.. In order to get him to testify against the BP agents, they offered him immunity against drug smuggling charges not once, but twice. He was caught bringing a second load of drugs into the country after testifying.

Patrolling the border is a tough job. The agents face
mortal danger every day. Accidents happen.

By the way, the drug smuggler is now suing the U.S. government for violating his civil rights.
15 posted on 01/15/2007 10:01:55 PM PST by BW2221
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To: BW2221

I've read the news releases from both sides of the Ramos/Compean incident and if it's true that these two fired 15 rounds at an un-armed man who had surrendered and put up his hands, well then I say they got off light with only a 11 and 12 year sentences. I also read that they were offered a plea deal that would have them only doing 18 months and they turned it down. Having a tough job does not entitle you to "007" license to kill powers. One shot is an accident, emptying a clip is not an accident.


16 posted on 01/15/2007 10:42:00 PM PST by rednesss
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To: rednesss

I couldn't care less why this criminal was shot. Had he not broken our laws and contributed to a problem that's destroying our nation he wouldn't be dead now. I won't shed any tear for any illegal who dies on U.S. soil no matter what. If you're not on our soil you won't die on it. Illegal immigration is completely out of control and it's ruining this nation. There will be a major conflict in the the future and everyone who ignored the problem or supported open borders can take responsibility for the violence.


17 posted on 01/15/2007 11:07:07 PM PST by ThermoNuclearWarrior (PRESSURE BUSH TO CLOSE THE BORDERS!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge

STOP breaking into our country.


18 posted on 01/15/2007 11:09:28 PM PST by onyx (DONATE NOW! -- It takes DONATIONS to keep FR running!!)
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To: onyx

STOP breaking into our country.

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UH OK,, But I am a US citizen and served in the military. :-}

Oh, wait, you meant that for those who jump our borders. Never mind. :-)


19 posted on 01/15/2007 11:11:36 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... California 2007,, Where's a script re-write guy when ya need 'em?)
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To: rednesss

"Would you expand this blanket immunity to other law enforcement officers???"

I would when it involves an illegal. I'm at the point that I don't care what happens to them when they are over here. These problems could be avoided if the criminals stayed in their own nations and didn't invade our country and break our laws.


20 posted on 01/15/2007 11:13:02 PM PST by ThermoNuclearWarrior (PRESSURE BUSH TO CLOSE THE BORDERS!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge

LOL! Yes, sweetie --- I most assuredly meant the ones ILLEGALLY crossing our porous border.


21 posted on 01/15/2007 11:13:13 PM PST by onyx (DONATE NOW! -- It takes DONATIONS to keep FR running!!)
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To: onyx

lol.. which reminds me, I need to get a new passport , may be going back down South some time in the next year or so.


22 posted on 01/15/2007 11:15:02 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... California 2007,, Where's a script re-write guy when ya need 'em?)
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To: NormsRevenge

I need to get a passport, period!


23 posted on 01/15/2007 11:15:54 PM PST by onyx (DONATE NOW! -- It takes DONATIONS to keep FR running!!)
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To: onyx

soon, you won't be able to leave the country, much less return without one.


24 posted on 01/15/2007 11:18:30 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... California 2007,, Where's a script re-write guy when ya need 'em?)
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To: rednesss
****...why don't we just bring back the gladiators and throw the damn Mexicans to them or the lions???****

Now that's something that never crossed my mind - what a great idea!!

We could sell tickets and that way the gubmint could recoup some of the costs from the illegal drain on society. Then there's Pay-Per-View too. This could be a gold mine, bigger than Wrestlemania!

/s

25 posted on 01/16/2007 5:51:30 AM PST by Condor51 (The demoncRATs don't want another 'Vietnam' - they want another Dien Bien Phu.)
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior

Emotions aside, I'm not sure you want to live in a society where those that have sworn to uphold our laws, are not beholden to them and break them themselves without consequences. We are supposed to be the civilized ones, and we don't summarily execute people in the streets or out in the woods. I wholeheartedly agree with interdiction efforts and deportations, but there must be a sense of proportion for "criminal" activity. Breaking a misdemeanor law should not warrant the death penalty.


26 posted on 01/16/2007 7:33:53 AM PST by rednesss
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To: rednesss
"Breaking a misdemeanor law should not warrant the death penalty."

O.K. Then the U.S. should declare "invasion" to be a felony capital offense...

27 posted on 01/16/2007 8:30:53 AM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: TXnMA

I'll agree that we need to station massive amounts of federal agents along our southern border, be they Border Patrol or National Guard. I always thought it was ironic that people were objecting to using the National Guard to assist the Border Patrol, they're the "National" "Guard". I'd rather we didn't get to the point of having an iron curtain where people are shot and left to hang in the barb-wire ala East Germany. Granted those were people trying to get out versus in, but the pictures in the newspapers would look the same. This nation was founded by Christians, on Judeo-Christian values, I'm a Christian, and one of the admonitions of God in the Old Testament and Jesus in the New Testament was to help the poor and needy, not shoot them. I'm not going to get into a theological argument with anyone, but just remember: "Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy."


28 posted on 01/16/2007 9:14:28 AM PST by rednesss
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To: rednesss
Thank you for your well-thought-out and well-stated answer to my deliberately-polarizing statement! We are in basic agreement -- as Christians.

OTOH, I believe that I got my point across that invasion of our soverign nation should be far more than a misdemeanor offense (like a traffic ticket)...

The penalty should be stiff and fearsome -- and certain -- enough that folks are deterred from making the attempt -- and such that they are not in the least tempted to do it twice.

I fear that it is going to take 'bodies on the barb-wire' to get the point across to the economic invaders that the attempt is not worth the price. But the US must stop the economic flow that is providing cover for the real invading terrorists.

This is not a peacetime situation. We are at war -- and misdemeanor arrest is not a weapon of war.

29 posted on 01/16/2007 6:21:43 PM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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