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51% of Women Are Now Living Without Spouse
New York Times ^ | 16 January 2007 | Sam Roberts

Posted on 01/16/2007 10:04:04 AM PST by shrinkermd

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To: Hildy
Why do all these threads become anti-woman..

"Cuz they are such beeotches". (JK!!!!!!) I like ladies. They make good dinners so i can watch my racing and I can have nice, clean, pressed clothes ready for me in the morning.

101 posted on 01/16/2007 10:59:15 AM PST by Fierce Allegiance ("Campers laugh at clowns behind closed doors.")
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To: river rat
Tattooed, half naked in public, jumping into the sack with at the drop of a hat... Loud, uncouth, unclean, unnatural, unfeminine, tattoos, bastard children in tow, drug dependent and a potential carrier of STDs...

Ain't it the truth! I am certainly not in the market, but when I see a female with tattoos or piercings, the words "venereal disease" pops into my head.

102 posted on 01/16/2007 11:00:45 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Romney si! Rudy no!)
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To: Indy Pendance

Whew...didn't need to see THAT!! But yes, either physically, or in some cases the mindset.


103 posted on 01/16/2007 11:01:30 AM PST by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: meyer

Exactly.


104 posted on 01/16/2007 11:01:48 AM PST by ProCivitas (Each Nation Should Be Its Own Best Market First.)
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To: Fierce Allegiance
I like ladies. They make good dinners so i can watch my racing and I can have nice, clean, pressed clothes ready for me in the morning.

And beer tastes better when a woman brings it to you.

105 posted on 01/16/2007 11:01:53 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Romney si! Rudy no!)
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To: Jeff Chandler

I just think "low class", for either sex with them --- definitely not just females.


106 posted on 01/16/2007 11:02:12 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: the OlLine Rebel
Not a huge leap at all, just experience and clarity. The truth comes out in the wash - a person who is consistently rejected isn't rejected by a series of people because they are a fantastic catch. That makes no sense at all, though may provide comfort to the rejected.

There are always isolated cases, and there are some personality types that aren't looking for a good companion but for a fast time. But if a person is consistently overlooked by otherwise good people, it's time for them to adjust.
107 posted on 01/16/2007 11:03:02 AM PST by HitmanLV (Rock, Rock, Rock and Rollergames! Rockin' & Rolling, Rockin' with Rollergames!)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Glad it worked out. I just don't want to deal with that kind of dynamic, and since I don't have to, all is good.


108 posted on 01/16/2007 11:04:49 AM PST by HitmanLV (Rock, Rock, Rock and Rollergames! Rockin' & Rolling, Rockin' with Rollergames!)
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To: HitmanLV
I don't buy into the nice guy/jerk paradigm. Women tend to want a good, masculine man. An excessively nice, too accommodating male comes across as less than masculine and is rejected by women, regardless of how stable he is.

So, how does a man stay masculine enough within a marriage to sustain a wife's interest when it comes time to do the dishes, clean the cat-box, etc?

[Nice Guy Dud here]
109 posted on 01/16/2007 11:05:39 AM PST by IslandJeff (Bad karma, killing me by degree)
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To: subterfuge
The problem with most guys is they look for women in all the wrong places.

This might be the crux for both sexes. The single guys I know mostly look at church, at work, in political and professional associations, neigbors, and the associates of those above. They do not look at parties, at bars, etc because they know that they lack a life-of-the-party personality and do not come accross well at parties.

Most women I know do not look at co-workers, or church, or professional associations. They go to parties and dances and are attracted to the life-of-the-party, who is usually an irresponsible drunk.

110 posted on 01/16/2007 11:05:43 AM PST by spintreebob
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To: shrinkermd

Finally, some statistics that include my category.


111 posted on 01/16/2007 11:05:50 AM PST by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: Jeff Chandler
And beer tastes better when a woman brings it to you.

Tucked in her considerable cleavage so the glass bottle isn't too cold and wet on my hands after coming right out of the 32 degree beer fridge. < /MCP mode >

112 posted on 01/16/2007 11:06:41 AM PST by Fierce Allegiance ("Campers laugh at clowns behind closed doors.")
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To: Fierce Allegiance

Seeing as how I just got Mrs. Slim a shotgun, I'm glad she's not into following fads like this.


113 posted on 01/16/2007 11:06:45 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: billbears

From the comments posted on this thread, no woman in her right mind would date, let alone marry or stay married to some of these losers.


114 posted on 01/16/2007 11:07:22 AM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: Hildy
These threads usually become anti-woman because there is a pocket of angry FR men who women won't give the time of day. Rather than consider personal change, they came to the conclusion that all women must suck, since why else would they all reject them?

It's strange.
115 posted on 01/16/2007 11:07:28 AM PST by HitmanLV (Rock, Rock, Rock and Rollergames! Rockin' & Rolling, Rockin' with Rollergames!)
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To: river rat

AMEN!!!!!!!!


116 posted on 01/16/2007 11:08:13 AM PST by My Favorite Headache ("Head-On...Apply Directly To The Forehead, Head-On...Apply Directly To The Forehead")
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To: Fierce Allegiance
Wow, I see what you mean! :)
117 posted on 01/16/2007 11:08:15 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: spintreebob

Spot on. Welcome to my life.


118 posted on 01/16/2007 11:08:29 AM PST by IslandJeff (Bad karma, killing me by degree)
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To: Quilla

There is no shortage at all of attractive, young, quality women in the dating pool. Guys who go on and on about how much women suck just lose me.


119 posted on 01/16/2007 11:09:42 AM PST by HitmanLV (Rock, Rock, Rock and Rollergames! Rockin' & Rolling, Rockin' with Rollergames!)
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To: Fierce Allegiance
Tucked in her considerable cleavage so the glass bottle isn't too cold and wet on my hands after coming right out of the 32 degree beer fridge.

We could go into more descriptive detail, but this isn't that kind of forum, and besides, we wouldn't want to enourage any unwelcome Helen Thomas photos.

120 posted on 01/16/2007 11:09:54 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Romney si! Rudy no!)
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To: HitmanLV
Guys who go on and on about how much women suck just lose me.

Oh my.

121 posted on 01/16/2007 11:10:30 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Romney si! Rudy no!)
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To: shrinkermd
"Sex and the City" and the further decline of women Disclaimer: If you are one of the few women who watches this show and are not in fact a whore, then dissregard what I am saying. I applaud you for not being one. This goes out to the other 98% of women who watch the show. character.
122 posted on 01/16/2007 11:10:45 AM PST by traumer
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To: linda_22003; Fierce Allegiance

Now do you see what you did!


123 posted on 01/16/2007 11:11:03 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Romney si! Rudy no!)
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To: Magic Sam
I can't stand a lot of the under-30 women I've worked with in an office environment. They're just plain vicious, acting the way they probably think "powerful men" are supposed to act.

I haven't seen that in under-30 women. I've seen some of it in the 40-55 age group, but less than is popularly believed.

124 posted on 01/16/2007 11:11:44 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: LaineyDee
Sound familiar? Shoes on the other foot might be a bit tight.

Not even close actually. You see I was a single father during my own divorce ('mommy' needed to 'discover herself'), then 'mommy' got our son and discovered he was a paycheck generator. Guess who threatened to sue while changing the custody proceedings in mid stride?

I didn't have 50 grand laying around for court. Now she has him.

125 posted on 01/16/2007 11:12:12 AM PST by Centurion2000 (Judges' orders cannot stop determined criminals. Firearms and the WILL to use them can.)
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To: traumer

All women should disregard (note spelling) what you're saying, no matter how you categorize them.


126 posted on 01/16/2007 11:12:12 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: Jeff Chandler

Way ahead of you. Like that's difficult. ;-D


127 posted on 01/16/2007 11:12:51 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: shrinkermd

Of course, the article neglects the obvious reason this is the case, and it is NOT that single mothers have recently skyrocketed: people are living longer, and women living longer than men. There is no question there are more moms squirting out bastards, but the real rise in this number ain't Murphy Browns--it's Great-Gramma Brown, who continues to hang on to life thanks to modern medicine.


128 posted on 01/16/2007 11:14:19 AM PST by LibertarianInExile (When personal character isn't relevant to voters or party leaders, Foley happens.)
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To: IslandJeff

All that stuff is fine. Bering masculine isn't a series of tricks you do or don't do. It's the way you carry yourself, confidence, dominance, making her feel safe, making her feel pretty and sexy, and other stuff.


129 posted on 01/16/2007 11:14:21 AM PST by HitmanLV (Rock, Rock, Rock and Rollergames! Rockin' & Rolling, Rockin' with Rollergames!)
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To: shrinkermd
delighting in their newfound freedom

This guy assumes that all women are like his ex wife.

130 posted on 01/16/2007 11:14:48 AM PST by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 119: 97-176)
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To: IslandJeff
how does a man stay masculine enough within a marriage to sustain a wife's interest when it comes time to do the dishes

What difference does it make when it's time for the woman to do the dishes?

clean the cat-box

If your dog chases the cats away, there' no need for a cat box.

131 posted on 01/16/2007 11:14:49 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Romney si! Rudy no!)
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To: shrinkermd

Quite happpily at that....

the other 49% wish they were!

(sarcasm on the second sentence)


132 posted on 01/16/2007 11:16:47 AM PST by najida (Campers laugh at clowns behind closed doors.)
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To: Perdogg

I know what you mean. I was sitting down eating someplace, and i saw three women, all about 25-30 (babes i must add). All three were pushing strollers and all three had no wedding ring on. Kind of a depressing sight.


133 posted on 01/16/2007 11:16:49 AM PST by SDGOP
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To: linda_22003

I don't have photos like that at the tip of my fingers.


134 posted on 01/16/2007 11:16:57 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Romney si! Rudy no!)
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To: IslandJeff
So, how does a man stay masculine enough within a marriage to sustain a wife's interest when it comes time to do the dishes, clean the cat-box, etc?

Do the dishes and break a few, evnetually she will want to do the dishes to save them.

Then do the yard, fix stuff around the house and kill bugs. Shoot a coyote once in a while.

135 posted on 01/16/2007 11:18:06 AM PST by Centurion2000 (Judges' orders cannot stop determined criminals. Firearms and the WILL to use them can.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

I couldn't help it. I've seen it on various threads on FR, and it immediately came to mind when I saw that post. I googled 'cup cleavage' and it was about the first image that came up! :)


136 posted on 01/16/2007 11:19:30 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: Centurion2000
Do the dishes and break a few, evnetually she will want to do the dishes to save them.

Ah, the vaunted "smart dummy" technique. (Don't give all our tricks away.)

137 posted on 01/16/2007 11:20:14 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Romney si! Rudy no!)
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To: linda_22003

I'm cautious never to google words like "cleavage".


138 posted on 01/16/2007 11:21:18 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Romney si! Rudy no!)
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To: Hildy

Obviously this thread brings out those who feel support is unfair. Its common knowledge that no one gets rich off divorce. I guess it depends what side you are on. Many women never get it and a lot of them do not even bother to fight for it. Surprising how people think that whomever is taking care of the kids has the easy life.


139 posted on 01/16/2007 11:21:39 AM PST by dforest (Liberals love crisis, create crisis and then dwell on them.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

You just have to remember that second "a" in the word. ;)


140 posted on 01/16/2007 11:21:56 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: HitmanLV

Well, that's true. And as another poster to you stated, probably best that you don't!

(Not a knock on you. After all, I agree with you much of the time!)


But then again, you never know....!

I once said I'd never date a guy with a non-American car. I softened. Although, lucky for me my man does NOT have 1! ;-D


141 posted on 01/16/2007 11:21:58 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: dakine
"I looked around at the folks I know, not a one is "looking elsewhere" for a wife...I wonder about guys that need to "look elsewhere", I suspect something wrong with them..."

First let me reveal - I've been married to the same blue blood American southern gal for 45 years..and that the young men and women I've been in closest contact with in California have been engineers working in Silicon Valley's high tech industries...

These guys are NOT the typical "mail order bride" customers.... In fact NONE used the "service"... all met their future brides in person while on work location in those countries...or while the professional ladies were in America on a business or training trip to our California plant site..

I was astounded to see how many of these educated and well grounded young men were passing up the "local" California gals to marry girls from their small hometowns, or foreign assignment posts. Japan, Australia, China, Iran and Montreal,Canada -- in that order ranked highest in the locations that these young men were bringing home wives... The young women engineers, for the most part were already involved with some guy back home or with one of their male peers at the office.. Too bad there there too few of these educated professional girls to go around.

My own son -- met his Canadian wife while in School here in the U.S.... My daughter married an American born son of teachers who had spent his childhood and early adult life on Pacific Islands..

This all happened -- in Kalifornicate! Land of some of the world's most beautiful women...
Unfortunately -- too many of these Kalifornicate ladies are dumb as a dead battery and have the morals of an ally cat..

Semper Fi

142 posted on 01/16/2007 11:21:59 AM PST by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: HitmanLV
Nicer guys often go to some length to tone down their masculinity so as to not appear threatening or 'like the other guys.' That makes no sense - they are toning down sex appeal and expecting a stronger sexual response.

This is learned behavior, and the important question is: what elements in our society are teaching men that they need to act this way? And almost nobody on FR likes to look squarely at the answers (Hint: it sure ain't Gloria Steinem...)

The nice guy/jerk complex has been going on for quite a long time - read Jane Austen and you'll see the exact same dynamics were at work 200 years ago. There are straightforward solutions to it, but they are off-topic for FR and as you well know most of the men here won't listen, anyway. ;)

(PS: You never explained what your tagline comes from...)

143 posted on 01/16/2007 11:22:30 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

I haven't seen that in under-30 women. I've seen some of it in the 40-55 age group, but less than is popularly believed.

The under-30s I interacted with were in marketing/advertising, if that's any qualifier.


144 posted on 01/16/2007 11:22:33 AM PST by Magic Sam
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To: IslandJeff

Jeff...My husband cooks, cleans, cleans the kitty litter, AND does all the ironing. He also fishes, hunts, builds things and looks sexy doing it all...It has nothing to do with what a man does that is a measure of his sexiness, my dear. You can take that to the bank.


145 posted on 01/16/2007 11:22:46 AM PST by Hildy (Words are mere bubbles of water...but deeds are drops of gold.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Yep, just different opinions on the matter.


146 posted on 01/16/2007 11:22:59 AM PST by HitmanLV (Rock, Rock, Rock and Rollergames! Rockin' & Rolling, Rockin' with Rollergames!)
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To: river rat
"Tattooed, half naked in public, jumping into the sack with at the drop of a hat and then burdened with the result of that "free and self expressive" life...

The Women of DU?

147 posted on 01/16/2007 11:23:11 AM PST by standingfirm
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To: Magic Sam

OK, that explains everything. ;)


148 posted on 01/16/2007 11:23:12 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: IslandJeff

"Nice Guy DUD?"


LOL, beautiful mistake! Don't be surprised at a witty come-back to your whole post!


149 posted on 01/16/2007 11:23:33 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: absolootezer0

Because he's a greater-than-thou idiot.


150 posted on 01/16/2007 11:24:01 AM PST by HOTTIEBOY (Campers laugh at clowns behind closed doors.)
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