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51% of Women Are Now Living Without Spouse
New York Times ^ | 16 January 2007 | Sam Roberts

Posted on 01/16/2007 10:04:04 AM PST by shrinkermd

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To: Hildy
My husband cooks, cleans, cleans the kitty litter, AND does all the ironing.

Why?

151 posted on 01/16/2007 11:24:53 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Romney si! Rudy no!)
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To: HitmanLV
Maybe the men who do that want to marry a woman like dear old mom. You have to admit that morals and values have declined greatly (in men as well as in women) in the past 40 years.
I dont think men have changed as much as women. I am not placing blame. I am just saying that feminism has changed lots of women for the worse. As women behave worse, men happily follow along. After all, many men are dogs anyway. We visit bars and whore houses and get liquored up.
Now women are behaving the same way.
It also seems to be getting much worse. Look at the moms and dads who let their little girls dress like britney. Mass media is bringing women down faster then men.
152 posted on 01/16/2007 11:25:04 AM PST by winodog
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To: linda_22003

ROFLMAO!


153 posted on 01/16/2007 11:25:20 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Wow... I've never made a decision about a guy depending on what kind of car he drove!


154 posted on 01/16/2007 11:25:28 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: Jeff Chandler

Honestly? Because he likes to. Any other questions?


155 posted on 01/16/2007 11:26:39 AM PST by Hildy (Words are mere bubbles of water...but deeds are drops of gold.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Hey, you brought it up.....

...I know it's coming.....


156 posted on 01/16/2007 11:27:02 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: linda_22003

How hilarious.LOL


157 posted on 01/16/2007 11:27:06 AM PST by dforest (Liberals love crisis, create crisis and then dwell on them.)
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To: IslandJeff

Easy - Don't wear pants


158 posted on 01/16/2007 11:27:29 AM PST by listenhillary (You can lead a man to reason, but you can't make him think)
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To: shrinkermd

The future is a 90 year old virgin feminist looking on google version 2.0 on internet II to total frustration because she can't find out where babies come from and how it somehow relates to physical recreatin between adults.


159 posted on 01/16/2007 11:27:31 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: indylindy

You don't often get openings handed to you like that; what could I do? :)


160 posted on 01/16/2007 11:28:06 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: traumer

LOL

I refuse to watch ANY show that has "sex" in the title.

I cringe at the thought of trying to raise a child in this day and age. Remember, it's not just the show - it's the ADS for it!


161 posted on 01/16/2007 11:28:43 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: myrabach

It is a nice route. It may be what God has in His plans for us. Once I accepted it was ok to be single, He provided me so much peace and security.

I have been divorced 13 years now and every day and every year bring more to my plate than I could have ever dreamed.

There is no doubt that a Godly marriage is the ultimate experience if you are called to that. But, if you aren't, then God does provide.


162 posted on 01/16/2007 11:28:52 AM PST by ican'tbelieveit (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team# 36120), KW:Folding)
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To: shrinkermd

Oh Well


163 posted on 01/16/2007 11:28:52 AM PST by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghan Honor Roll students.)
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To: HitmanLV

Great posts on this thread. Thanks for your insight.


164 posted on 01/16/2007 11:29:19 AM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah (The N.O. Mass is like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get.)
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To: Hildy
Because he likes to.

He likes to do house work? Go figure!

Years ago when our kids were tiny I was unemployed for a while, so Mrs. Chandler went to work while I was Mr.Mom. I found that keeping house was actually very easy. The trick is to get up very early and get all the work done in the morning, then the whole day is yours. I was very good at it. But like it? No way.

165 posted on 01/16/2007 11:29:59 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Romney si! Rudy no!)
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To: absolootezer0
"....why are tattoos part of your equation?"

Because any woman who thinks the beauty of the female's body is enhanced by a tattoo -- strikes me as having the mentality of one who would spray paint graffiti on the Mona Lisa...

Again -- it is impossible for me to think of a tattooed woman as anything but an ignorant defacer of a piece of art.

Clearly -- based on the number of woman running around with tattoos -- I must be in the minority..

Semper Fi

166 posted on 01/16/2007 11:30:11 AM PST by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: myrabach

Amen!

I've always thought it telling that divorced women re-marry and co-habitate less frequently than divorced men.

Figured if the kids are older or grown, she can get a break from picking up after that other "kid" when she gets home from work.

Men on the other hand miss having someone cleaning up after them, doing the laundry, keeping the fridge stocked with food and having the bills paid so the electricity and phone don't go off!


167 posted on 01/16/2007 11:31:06 AM PST by YankeeGirl
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To: linda_22003
You don't often get openings handed to you like that; what could I do?

It was so perfect. I love it.

168 posted on 01/16/2007 11:31:08 AM PST by dforest (Liberals love crisis, create crisis and then dwell on them.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Shhh.... don't tell anyone, but women don't like it, either! My husband and I dealt with it by contracting it out.


169 posted on 01/16/2007 11:31:19 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: Hildy
Dang, for a minute there I thought you'd stolen MY husband. It finally dawned on me, we don't have a cat. ;-)
170 posted on 01/16/2007 11:31:20 AM PST by Quilla
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To: river rat

I completely agree, and as a woman, I would never deface my bod with an ugly tatoo.

I just look forward to when all these women are 80 years old--how funny and droopy those tatoos are going to look on them!!!!!


171 posted on 01/16/2007 11:32:33 AM PST by standingfirm
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To: Jeff Chandler

I think my dad falls into this category. ;-)


172 posted on 01/16/2007 11:32:56 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: river rat
Unfortunately -- too many of these Kalifornicate ladies are dumb as a dead battery and have the morals of an ally cat..

My impression of them is that they are actually taught by the media and the popular culture from the time they are six years old:

1) To be scared to death that every man they meet is a potential Ted Bundy.

2) To act "tough" and not be nice to people - especially men - or they will get stepped on.

3) To crave external validation based primarily on their physical appearance - thus the tendency to have sexual relationships with men they don't really love.

They are not dumb and immoral at all - they are actually sad, miserable, lonely, and scared behind those cold, imperious social masks they have been trained to wear. Especially the prettiest ones, because the attention they get from men tends to come from the players (so-called "nice guys" are scared to death of them.)

Thus women from other cultures who haven't been raised in this way are natually more attractive to California men, who haven't figured out that the bratty behavior is all an act and aren't strong enough to just plow through it.

173 posted on 01/16/2007 11:33:35 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: Quilla

lol! Actually, we don't have a cat either! We have two small dogs but we live on the third floor of a condo. We have a huge balcony, so we've taught the dogs to go pee in a kitty litter box in the morning so we don't have to rush to get dressed and take them out....ALWAYS THINKIN HERE!


174 posted on 01/16/2007 11:33:45 AM PST by Hildy (Words are mere bubbles of water...but deeds are drops of gold.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Wasn't a typo, unfortunately. Blue State Urban Single. This town (Seattle) is really good at stripping off most elements of the Y Chromosome.

Trying like heck to shake the Women Marry Jerks stereotype, but, thus far, my experience hasn't borne that out, yet.

Still trying. Problem is, I started dating too late in life (mid-twenties instead of late-teens), and, discovering I actually want wifey and baby now that stuff is cool, it's just a little too late. Scared to death of divorce - it's ruined many a friend's life.


175 posted on 01/16/2007 11:34:09 AM PST by IslandJeff (Bad karma, killing me by degree)
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To: Jeff Chandler
Ah, the vaunted "smart dummy" technique. (Don't give all our tricks away.)

Wouldn't dream of it. The secret to getting them to take over finances is safe.

176 posted on 01/16/2007 11:34:18 AM PST by Centurion2000 (Judges' orders cannot stop determined criminals. Firearms and the WILL to use them can.)
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To: river rat
These 'Women' in question will learn down the road, when they have no solid family base, (of their own) no husband for support (morally or financially) and they reach an age where they no longer appeal to the average male libido, they will be truly alone and bankrupt. (non monetarily)

This is why there is now so much emphasis on Botox, no fat diets, exercise machines, etc,,,,. And on the other hand, in Men, the need for Viagra, male organ enhancement drugs, pattern baldness prevention, etc,,,,.

We have become a hollow, amoral society of agnostic Narcissistic fools.
177 posted on 01/16/2007 11:34:26 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (Show me a 'true' Conservative and I'll show someone with bad knees)
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To: standingfirm
I just look forward to when all these women are 80 years old--how funny and droopy those tatoos are going to look on them!!!!!

On the Bob Newhart Show, Bob's secretary confessed to having gotten a tattoo of a butterfly when she was obese. Now that she was thin, it looked like a prune.

178 posted on 01/16/2007 11:34:43 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Romney si! Rudy no!)
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To: Fierce Allegiance
Right on brother...


179 posted on 01/16/2007 11:35:37 AM PST by HOTTIEBOY (Campers laugh at clowns behind closed doors.)
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To: river rat

what's so great about the mona lisa?
what the difference between decorating the body with tattoos and decorating the body with make up? don't talk about the permanancy of it either, a woman who puts on her make up everyday might as well have it tattoo'ed to her face.


180 posted on 01/16/2007 11:36:55 AM PST by absolootezer0 (stop repeat offenders - don't re-elect them!)
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To: Hildy
we've taught the dogs to go pee in a kitty litter box

I knew a guy who would buy a flat of turf which he kept on a tray on his apartment balcony. His dog used the little patch of grass to do his job. He (the guy, not the dog) would replace the flat once a month.

181 posted on 01/16/2007 11:37:03 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Romney si! Rudy no!)
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To: Hildy

70 to 80 % of all divorce cases filed by women.

They probably turn anti-woman because they have been through the court system.

You should also distinguish between divorces with and without children.

Women DO get support from the man when he earns more, men do NOT get support from the woman when she earns more.

Men do NOT get permanent alimony. (at least not until the judge stops snickering)

The fact is the good marriages are not newsworthy but the nightmare divorce is always newsworthy.

Perhaps the best way to deal with the current divorce situation is to outlaw all alimony period. Divorce is a straight cash out of assets aquired during the marriage and premarital assets (regardless of increase) no not count as marital and are treated as inheritances which don't become automatically part of the marriage.

My favorit case is an obscure florida case where the court found the denial of sexual relations to be abuse and thus the wife could not use that against the husband for his obtaining a mistress.


182 posted on 01/16/2007 11:37:10 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: IslandJeff

yup, that's the key to why fewer and fewer men want to marry - fear of the financial ruin of divorce, even when not initiated by them.

unless and until that issue is dealt with (it never will be), marriage rates will continue to decline in the US.


183 posted on 01/16/2007 11:37:27 AM PST by oceanview
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To: My Favorite Headache

I hope your bunker is as sound and secure as mine...

I expect a lot of vicious "incoming" from my earlier remarks....

Semper Fi


184 posted on 01/16/2007 11:37:31 AM PST by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: standingfirm

Is that a calendar?


185 posted on 01/16/2007 11:37:58 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: ican'tbelieveit

Yes, it is a nice route! It took me awhile to accept that it was ok to be single -- and for me as well, once I did, my life is just incredible.

Thank you for sharing.


186 posted on 01/16/2007 11:38:35 AM PST by myrabach
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To: Jeff Chandler
I think it's a butterfly again. ;o)


187 posted on 01/16/2007 11:39:57 AM PST by maggief
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To: longtermmemmory

You can't do that. There are many cases of women who are traded in for younger models. Please don't deny it. What are they supposed to do? Many of these middle-aged women with no career skills. Why should they give up their standard of living?


188 posted on 01/16/2007 11:40:10 AM PST by Hildy (Words are mere bubbles of water...but deeds are drops of gold.)
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To: linda_22003

Well, I didn't, in the end!

I also have alot of other "requirements" - and it turns out, my hubby violates some of them!

But not the big things like - respect me and my family, don't be liberal, and be Christian.


189 posted on 01/16/2007 11:40:50 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: Hildy

My husband likes (sort of) doing laundry.


My brother-in-law likes grocery shopping. So much he drives us all crazy. He'll "disappear" just to get some onions. He can't not go through the whole store. Which PO's my sister because he delays getting the whole BBQ dinner together and finished in time....


190 posted on 01/16/2007 11:43:29 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

I believe there is a lot of truth in what you say, relative to the "state" of women in the state --- but please, don't rule out dumb and immoral..

There are too many examples of each -- regardless of the underlying causes..

Semper Fi


191 posted on 01/16/2007 11:43:51 AM PST by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: shrinkermd

Saddened widows, hopeful unmarried young ladies, and women unwillingly divorced by their husbands can comprise a substantial portion of the 51%.

That's not freedom from men, but lack of a man.


192 posted on 01/16/2007 11:44:02 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (McCain / Feingold - 2008 ... "Shut Up or Go To Prison")
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To: river rat
I thought you were spot on!

Besides, any thing these 'warriors' could throw at either one of us on this subject, would make us laugh when one considers the past REAL incoming in the World we came from.
193 posted on 01/16/2007 11:45:22 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (Show me a 'true' Conservative and I'll show someone with bad knees)
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To: Brad Cloven

Speak for yourself hun!


194 posted on 01/16/2007 11:45:47 AM PST by najida (Campers laugh at clowns behind closed doors.)
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To: linda_22003

HOT MAMA! Thanks for the post! Now that's what I'm talkin 'bout! ;)


195 posted on 01/16/2007 11:48:01 AM PST by Fierce Allegiance ("Campers laugh at clowns behind closed doors.")
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To: najida

His point is correct. What do you dispute?


196 posted on 01/16/2007 11:49:00 AM PST by Fierce Allegiance ("Campers laugh at clowns behind closed doors.")
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To: concerned about politics
That's why stay home moms have happy marriages. Both the husband and wife only have one job to worry about, and everything is fair.

Fair until he dies or is laid off. An educated woman should never let her job skills get rusty. Especially if she was trained in a technical field. I know couples where an extended layoff (or strike in one case) forced her back into the job market. The best 2 women could come up with after 8 years off was teacher's aides.

Another maintained a tenured teaching job throughout her kids' childhoods, but was home summers and holidays. When husband was laid off (local hospital closed, took 2 years to find new job at comparable salary) she picked up hours at the Gap at night. Incidently, she was earning over $80,000 per year. Even with child care costs, she couldn't afford to quit her job.

Once the kids are in school full time, honing one's job skills or continuing education is important. $35,000+ per year in college tuition for each kid, looms up pretty fast. Financial aid is very tight, many couples can't save that kind of money on one salary while paying a mortgage and car payments.

197 posted on 01/16/2007 11:49:05 AM PST by YankeeGirl
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To: shrinkermd

Marriage is about children. Fewer children means fewer marriages, and even one or two is fairly easy to support by a single mother. Fact is, there is no shortage of people and marriage is not vital in the system we have created.


198 posted on 01/16/2007 11:49:13 AM PST by RightWhale
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To: Hildy

I r ememebr the first time, more than 10 years ago, when my oldest daughter came home during her freshman year at college..she was upset because her roomate occasionally "hooked up". I'd never heard the term before, and naively asked what it meant...(for about 10 seconds I thought it meant needlepoint or crocheting)... my jaw dropped when she explained it..but hey, I survived the 60's..


199 posted on 01/16/2007 11:49:36 AM PST by ken5050
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To: Maigrey
I love my hard working boring husband. But, in reality, he is quite entertaining, and the best part is he treats me right.

What more can I ask for?

Ya hear that, ya feminists? I'm happy!

200 posted on 01/16/2007 11:49:49 AM PST by Maigrey (Here is a quarter. Please buy a personality. It's on Sale at Big Lots! - My Sister)
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