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51% of Women Are Now Living Without Spouse
New York Times ^ | 16 January 2007 | Sam Roberts

Posted on 01/16/2007 10:04:04 AM PST by shrinkermd

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To: shrinkermd

So they're living without a spouse, are they also living without his money?


51 posted on 01/16/2007 10:33:49 AM PST by Bon mots
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To: river rat

I can't stand a lot of the under-30 women I've worked with in an office environment. They're just plain vicious, acting the way they probably think "powerful men" are supposed to act.


52 posted on 01/16/2007 10:34:19 AM PST by Magic Sam
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To: myrabach

You have 40 cats?


53 posted on 01/16/2007 10:34:19 AM PST by dakine
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To: Perdogg

Men make choices as well---something this article overlooked completely---and I think many have decided against the vicissitudes of marriage.


54 posted on 01/16/2007 10:34:31 AM PST by Rudder
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To: El Conservador

Barefoot, pregnant, baking cookies?


55 posted on 01/16/2007 10:35:54 AM PST by dakine
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To: myrabach

you sound like a neat person......good luck to you....


56 posted on 01/16/2007 10:35:55 AM PST by cherry
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To: dakine

No.... one cat and one dog! One home that I bought with my own resources and a really, really nice swimming pool.


57 posted on 01/16/2007 10:36:52 AM PST by myrabach
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To: Hildy

Its not even close. Women top that stat.


58 posted on 01/16/2007 10:37:13 AM PST by winodog
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To: myrabach

Well stated.


59 posted on 01/16/2007 10:37:17 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Centurion2000
Well when they have the $$$ from the father and none of the obligations; I'm sure they are happy.

Riiiight

I know of more and more Dads that have opted to take the kids in lieu of paying that wonderful child support... and guess what their biggest gripes are?

How unfair it is with all the hidden expenses, late nights doing laundry, staying up with sick kids,,, trying to find reliable baby-sitters so they can work...all the while Mom is only having to pay that child support but is free to go on with her life. Dating? Forget it... there isn't time.

Sound familiar? Shoes on the other foot might be a bit tight. *chuckle*

60 posted on 01/16/2007 10:37:51 AM PST by LaineyDee (Don't mess with Texas wimmen!)
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To: HitmanLV
Another handicap many single mothers have is that many men just don't want to get involved in a long term relationship with a woman with children. Not all, but many. I know I never would

To each his own Hitman, but you're limiting yourself there, imo. I'm a step-father and its been one of the most rewarding things about my life. But of course if that isn't for you I respect your decision on the matter. There aren't many things worse than a bad step-parent.

61 posted on 01/16/2007 10:37:53 AM PST by subterfuge (Today, Tolerance =greatest virtue;Hypocrisy=worst character defect; Discrimination =worst atrocity)
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To: absolootezer0
...lots easier to get all the welfare when single. free food, cash assistance, medical insurance, cheap housing, utilities paid, free daycare, huge tax breaks, etc. also, child support is not counted when looking at their income. A woman could be getting thousands a month in child support, but working part time for low pay, and get everything handed to her by the government. All she has to pay for is her car.

That about sums it up. Look closer and you'll see that the job (or one of the jobs) is probably "under the table" so as to preserve as much taxpayer-funded benefit as possible. Not sure about the "thousands a month" in child support, though. I know a few childless women that enjoy all the other benefits, and still have the money to take lavish vacations a couple of times a year.

62 posted on 01/16/2007 10:38:53 AM PST by meyer (Bring back the Contract with America and you'll bring back the Republican majority.)
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To: spintreebob
Another question is why some women do not want to be with a spouse. Do they really prefer the single life? Or have they given up on finding prince charming? Or what?

What I've noticed......

Women work. They marry a man that works. Everything is fine. Then, a child is born.
Now, the woman has two jobs, because she took the liberal bait that claims she's worthless without a "career."
That's why stay home moms have happy marriages. Both the husband and wife only have one job to worry about, and everything is fair.

63 posted on 01/16/2007 10:39:19 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal.")
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To: shrinkermd

Millions of lonely and horny Chinese men wait in the wings...


64 posted on 01/16/2007 10:39:54 AM PST by TADSLOS (Iran is in the IED exporting business. Time to shut them down.)
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To: subterfuge

Yes it is a limitation but not a terribly damaging one. The truth is there is no shortage of attractive, good women out there in the dating pool at any given time. If there was a shortage of choice I would adjust. There isn't, so there's no need for me to compromise there.


65 posted on 01/16/2007 10:40:20 AM PST by HitmanLV (Rock, Rock, Rock and Rollergames! Rockin' & Rolling, Rockin' with Rollergames!)
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To: Hildy

The barriers regarding divorce are simply too lopsided. OK, a man wants to leave his wife and the system makes him "pay" for it through the financial settlement in divorce. Fair enough, he chose to leave and therefore he must pay equitably. So when the husband chooses divorce, he does this knowing the penalty.

Not what happens on the flip side, where is the barrier to the woman who wants to leave her husband? It doesn't exist, the husband still faces the same "penalty" even when he does not initiate the divorce. A sane system would reverse this - but it will never happen, because the wife is looked upon as the "victim", initiating the divorce of the "evil husband", and therefore should face no penalty in doing so.

And the trickle down effect of this is - men fear marriage, because they fear being caught up in the financial ruin of divorce, even if they do not initiate it. Until society deals with this simple fact, marriage rates will continue to decline.


66 posted on 01/16/2007 10:40:28 AM PST by oceanview
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To: myrabach
Fortunately in this day and age, marriage isn't the only way to financial security

Unfortunately, it seems a number of women consider it the easiest way.

67 posted on 01/16/2007 10:40:36 AM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: HitmanLV
many men just don't want to get involved in a long term relationship with a woman with children.

I've known many single women with children ... co-workers, tenants in my apartment buildings, fellow political activists, voters in precincts I work, etc. Virtually all of these women say they want a spouse. Most (but not all) of them are physically attractive and have OK personalities.

I've seen both men who would make good spouses and men who would not chase after them. The women overwhelmingly reject the hard working, sober men who would make good spouses. The women overwhelmingly hook-up for short term relationships with men who provide them with entertainment and excitement, even when that excitement is domestic violence, cheating on them, financial irresponsibility, etc.

68 posted on 01/16/2007 10:41:22 AM PST by spintreebob
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To: river rat
Tattooed, half naked in public, jumping into the sack with at the drop of a hat and then burdened with the result of that "free and self expressive" life......Loud, uncouth, unclean, unnatural, unfeminine, tattoos, bastard children in tow, drug dependent and a potential carrier of STDs...

I couldn't agree more, and the above statement can't be repeated enough.

69 posted on 01/16/2007 10:41:37 AM PST by IDontLikeToPayTaxes
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To: dakine

They will tell us how much nicer it is to have a grovelling slave they can kick without trouble.


70 posted on 01/16/2007 10:41:39 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: bmwcyle
men do not go to the doctor more often when there is something wrong. Also my experience with Diabeties has shown that men don't follow the doctors orders when they should

Like I said. They see no reason to prolong the misery

71 posted on 01/16/2007 10:41:49 AM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: shrinkermd

72 posted on 01/16/2007 10:43:13 AM PST by Gritty (Material abundance without character is the surest way to destruction. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: river rat
Who in hell wants to marry the current version of "woman" that far too many women in America represent?

Tattooed, half naked in public, jumping into the sack with at the drop of a hat and then burdened with the result of that "free and self expressive" life...

I doubt that describes 1% of the ladies who visit Free Republic. However, there are many who do indeed fit your description, and it's going to get worse. To think, some young girls admire the likes of Brittney Spears and Paris Hilton. Morals in this country are declining faster than our former president would drop his pants. The media made him out to be a hero when he was in fact, a lowlife hound dog. Feminism, the touted gay lifestyle, government giveaways, the left - they're responsible.

73 posted on 01/16/2007 10:43:16 AM PST by Quilla
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To: spintreebob

why didn't they want the spouse, they just got rid of?


74 posted on 01/16/2007 10:43:32 AM PST by oceanview
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To: shrinkermd

Liberalism in America has reached a milestone. One of the tenets of Liberalism is to creat as many single female households as possible because single women are more likely to look to the government for assistance than married women especially if they have children. Replace a husband and father with a government check. They have won, all that's left is the celebration.


75 posted on 01/16/2007 10:43:58 AM PST by redangus
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To: Hildy
My ex left me for his bimbo, and I didn't get child support. After the divorce, I worked full time, went to college (received an engineering degree in 5 years), raised 3 kids, who were 4, 7 and 8. He was a professional, and the bimbo eventually left him for another guy. He had to pay all the back child support, and decided to be a 'dad'. Now that he's in his 50's, he's finally settled down. He's on marriage number 4.
76 posted on 01/16/2007 10:44:29 AM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: HitmanLV

"A person tends to be rejected by the opposite sex for substantive, rather than shallow reasons."


You are making a HUGE leap of faith there.

Sometimes, the problem really is with those who reject.

Being popular doesn't mean you're a catch.


77 posted on 01/16/2007 10:44:33 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: meyer

have 3-4 kids by as many dads. its easy to get huge payouts.
or get knocked up by a guy that makes big money.


78 posted on 01/16/2007 10:44:35 AM PST by absolootezer0 (stop repeat offenders - don't re-elect them!)
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To: Perdogg

Think about the next generation of kids. It will get interesting in about 20 years.


79 posted on 01/16/2007 10:45:21 AM PST by devane617 (It's McCain and a Rat -- Now what?)
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To: river rat
Look how many men are looking elsewhere for a wife.

From the article:

more than 60 percent of Asian women

80 posted on 01/16/2007 10:45:22 AM PST by You Dirty Rats (I Love Free Republic!)
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To: shrinkermd

bump


81 posted on 01/16/2007 10:46:39 AM PST by lesser_satan (EKTHELTHIOR!!!)
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To: Fierce Allegiance
Always look for the upside to stuff!

Well, QUIT stuffing all those upsides, Firerce!!! ;-P

82 posted on 01/16/2007 10:46:48 AM PST by MortMan (I was going to be indecisive, but I changed my mind.)
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To: HitmanLV

True statements, all.

The problem with most guys is they look for women in all the wrong places.


83 posted on 01/16/2007 10:47:09 AM PST by subterfuge (Today, Tolerance =greatest virtue;Hypocrisy=worst character defect; Discrimination =worst atrocity)
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To: Hildy
Considering some of the ignorant posts already on this thread (which I am sure will get worse) frankly I don't blame these women at all

Why do all these threads become anti-woman.

LOL, seriously you have to ask? I hope you would have figured out the answer to that by now ;)

84 posted on 01/16/2007 10:48:51 AM PST by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: shrinkermd
Headline: 51% of Women Are Now Living Without Spouse Insisting It's ALL About 'Me'

There. I fixed it.

85 posted on 01/16/2007 10:49:01 AM PST by Gritty (All the day long, three words dominate Feminist thinking: I, me, mine. Mike Adams)
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To: elc

They're catching up, though. Life expectancy for women is dropping as they get more involved in the work world.


86 posted on 01/16/2007 10:49:04 AM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Liberals are blind. They are the dupes of Leftists who know exactly what they're doing.)
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To: dakine
Barefoot, pregnant, baking cookies?

That's me. I wouldn't trade my life for anything in the world.
I climbed the corporate ladder until I decided I wanted children. The feeling of liberation I felt after quitting the rat race was exhilarating to say the least.
The feel and smell of the babies was heavenly. The smell and taste of home cooked meals can't be beat. Sometimes I wonder why God chose to favor me like this. What have I done to receive such a gift?

87 posted on 01/16/2007 10:49:12 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal.")
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To: Rudder
Men make choices as well---something this article overlooked completely---and I think many have decided against the vicissitudes of marriage.

On the contrary, most single men I know are hard-working, both white collar and blue collar. They want to get married. By the age of 25, and usually much earlier, most of them have asked 2 or 3 single women to marry them ... and have been rejected. They are not expecting Jessica Simpson. They are expecting a woman who will occasionally say "yes" ... and I'm not just referring to in-bed ... I'm referring to letting him continue to work at the job he loves without constant bitching, etc.

88 posted on 01/16/2007 10:49:24 AM PST by spintreebob
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To: Indy Pendance
See, I think that's more the case than the other way around. But who knows? I'm wife number three. My husband's first wife was a war bride...didn't last a year. Second wife left him, but that's because he was not a good husband. He did drive her to it. He admits that. She really had no choice although he didn't want the divorce at the time...I think that's where the gray area comes in.

He straightened his life out and met me. He's lucky in that his kids adore him and he has a good relationship with his ex. I consider her a friend. I would never marry a man whose ex wife didn't like him. Just as a person. There are many marriages that simply don't work out, even if both parties are good people.

89 posted on 01/16/2007 10:51:33 AM PST by Hildy (Words are mere bubbles of water...but deeds are drops of gold.)
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To: billbears
Is this your answer?


90 posted on 01/16/2007 10:52:03 AM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: shrinkermd
So is the bias in this article that if there are that many more women are not marrying or remarrying, unless the balance in numbers between the sexes is changing, that many more men are also choosing not to marry or remarry. The focus of this article dwelled on women. What about the man's point of view. Could it be that there are fewer women marrying because fewer men are asking them?
91 posted on 01/16/2007 10:52:08 AM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Liberals are blind. They are the dupes of Leftists who know exactly what they're doing.)
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To: billbears

You'd think that since I've been here since 1998, I'd be immune...:)


92 posted on 01/16/2007 10:52:19 AM PST by Hildy (Words are mere bubbles of water...but deeds are drops of gold.)
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To: river rat
Tattooed, half naked in public, jumping into the sack with at the drop of a hat and then burdened with the result of that "free and self expressive" life...

Say, you wouldn’t by chance have her phone number?

93 posted on 01/16/2007 10:52:35 AM PST by usurper (Spelling or grammatical errors in this post can be attributed to the LA City School System)
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To: myrabach

Good for you! I'm glad you had the gumption to carve out what sounds to be a full, successful and contented life.

The only thing I might say to you is, turn your fear of the hurt over to God because you just don't know what he might have in store for you. :^)


94 posted on 01/16/2007 10:52:50 AM PST by Sally'sConcerns
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To: MortMan

I really want to reply to that, but also want to retain posting privileges.


95 posted on 01/16/2007 10:52:53 AM PST by Fierce Allegiance ("Campers laugh at clowns behind closed doors.")
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To: HitmanLV

BTW, thank God my dad didn't follow your last statement!

He is the ONLY dad to my older siblings (technically, half-siblings), who had a poor excuse for a dad who was actually married to my mom. Abusive (threatened, but didn't get anywhere - not with MY mom), adulterous, lecherous and just plain odd and seedy. Probably best described as 1 of those "good ol'boys" in the bars.

Mom made a poor choice (father warned her) young, got 2 children out of it in short time, left back to her parents' who helped raise her children while she worked, until she met my dad.

A woman of 29 with 2 sentient children. My never-married virgin dad didn't mind apparently, because he not only asked her to dance (not knowing she's a mother), but married her after only 5 months. And adopted the children, who asked if they could call him "Daddy" when they heard the wedding news.

And here we are 40 years later....he's still the only Dad my brother and sister care about. And at least he gave them stability.


96 posted on 01/16/2007 10:55:19 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: Hildy
Why do all these threads become anti-woman..

"Cuz they are such beeotches". (JK!!!!!!) I like ladies. They make good dinners so i can watch my racing and I can have nice, clean, pressed clothes ready for me in the morning.

97 posted on 01/16/2007 10:55:27 AM PST by Fierce Allegiance ("Campers laugh at clowns behind closed doors.")
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To: Indy Pendance

Michael Moore?

Or Rosie o'Doughnut?


98 posted on 01/16/2007 10:55:54 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: Hildy

That is a trend I've noted on "that other thread" yesterday, but I was shot down as being wrong and that it's just joshing.

When it happens enough, though, you begin to see it as "real"!


99 posted on 01/16/2007 10:57:24 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: spintreebob
The women overwhelmingly reject the hard working, sober men who would make good spouses. The women overwhelmingly hook-up for short term relationships with men who provide them with entertainment and excitement, even when that excitement is domestic violence, cheating on them, financial irresponsibility, etc.

That's true but they are drawn to those men because they are more exciting and sexy. Many hard working, sober men are just boring or duds. Of course they aren't going to pique a woman's sexual interest.

I have discussed this many times in debunking the 'women like jerks, reject nice guys' mentality. It's not that they like jerks, they are just turned on by masculine traits, and jerks have unambiguously (and often exaggerated) masculine traits.

Nicer guys often go to some length to tone down their masculinity so as to not appear threatening or 'like the other guys.' That makes no sense - they are toning down sex appeal and expecting a stronger sexual response.

I don't buy into the nice guy/jerk paradigm. Women tend to want a good, masculine man. An excessively nice, too accommodating male comes across as less than masculine and is rejected by women, regardless of how stable he is.

100 posted on 01/16/2007 10:58:11 AM PST by HitmanLV (Rock, Rock, Rock and Rollergames! Rockin' & Rolling, Rockin' with Rollergames!)
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