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Remember Lincoln, Obama Allies Say (BARF ALERT)
Forbes.com ^ | January 17, 2007 | NEDRA PICKLER

Posted on 01/17/2007 6:40:50 AM PST by MadIvan

For all those historians and political naysayers, Sen. Barack Obama's allies like to point out that Abraham Lincoln served just two years in the House before becoming president.

It's a comparison certain to be repeated as Obama, with slightly more than two years in the Senate, continues to align himself with the Civil War president. The senator's expected campaign kickoff is scheduled for Feb. 10 in Lincoln's hometown of Springfield, Ill. - where both men served in the state legislature.

Obama filed paperwork for a presidential exploratory committee Tuesday, which allows him to raise money and organize a campaign structure before his formal announcement. He also talked about his plans in a video on his Web site.

If elected, he would be an obvious subject for the history books - the first black president.

Obama said the past six years have left the country in a precarious place and he promoted himself as the standard-bearer for a new kind of politics.

"Our leaders in Washington seem incapable of working together in a practical, commonsense way," Obama said in a video posted on his Web site. "Politics has become so bitter and partisan, so gummed up by money and influence, that we can't tackle the big problems that demand solutions. And that's what we have to change first."

Obama's soft-spoken appeal on the stump, his unique background, his opposition to the Iraq war and his fresh face set him apart in a competitive race that also is expected to include front-runner Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York.

Obama has uncommon political talents, drawing adoring crowds even among the studious voters in New Hampshire during a much-hyped visit there last month. His star has risen on the force of his personality and message of hope - helped along by celebrity endorsements from the likes of Oprah Winfrey, billionaire investor Warren Buffett and actors Matt Damon and Edward Norton.

"I certainly didn't expect to find myself in this position a year ago," said Obama, who added that as he talked to Americans about a possible presidential campaign, "I've been struck by how hungry we all are for a different kind of politics."

The 45-year-old has few accomplishments on the national stage after serving little more than two years in the Senate. But at a time when many voters say they are unhappy with the direction of the country, a lack of experience in the nation's capital may not be a liability.

"The decisions that have been made in Washington these past six years, and the problems that have been ignored, have put our country in a precarious place," Obama said.

He said people are struggling financially, dependence on foreign oil threatens the environment and national security and "we're still mired in a tragic and costly war that should have never been waged."

Clinton is expected to announce her presidential campaign within days, but her spokesman said there would be no comment on Obama's decision from the Clinton camp. Back from Iraq, she abruptly canceled a Capitol Hill news conference minutes after word of Obama's announcement, citing the unavailability of a New York congressman to participate.

Other Democrats who have announced a campaign or exploratory committee are 2004 vice presidential nominee John Edwards, former Iowa Gov. Tom Vilsack, Connecticut Sen. Chris Dodd and Ohio Rep. Dennis Kucinich. Sens. John Kerry of Massachusetts and Joe Biden of Delaware and New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson also are considering a run.

Obama's decision was relatively low-key after months of hype, with no speech or media appearance to accompany his online announcement. He said he will discuss a presidential campaign with people around the country before his Feb. 10 event, and he wasted no time calling key activists Tuesday.

New Hampshire lobbyist Jim Demers talked with Obama for about five minutes. "He is extremely pumped and excited that this campaign is coming together," said Demers, who accompanied Obama on his visit to the state last month.

Obama's quick rise to national prominence began with his keynote speech at the 2004 Democratic National Convention and his election to the Senate that year. He's written two best-selling autobiographies - "The Audacity of Hope: Thoughts on Reclaiming the American Dream" and "Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance."

Obama was born in Honolulu where his parents met while studying at the University of Hawaii. His father was black and from Kenya; his mother, white and from Wichita, Kan.

Obama's parents divorced when he was two and his father returned to Kenya. His mother later married an Indonesian student and the family moved to Jakarta. Obama returned to Hawaii when he was 10 to live with his maternal grandparents.

He graduated from Columbia University and Harvard Law School, where he was the first black elected editor of the Harvard Law Review. Obama settled in Chicago, where he joined a law firm, helped local churches establish job training programs and met his future wife, Michelle Robinson. They have two daughters, Malia and Sasha.

In 1996, he was elected to the Illinois state Senate. He won a seat in the U.S. Senate in 2004.

Obama insisted during the 2004 campaign and through his first year in the Senate that he had no intention of running for president, but by late 2006 his public statements had begun to leave open that possibility.


TOPICS: Extended News; Politics/Elections; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: hillary; lincoln; neophyte; obama; obamania
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Frightening. Obama is inexperienced, but not stupid - he is trying to turn his lack of time in Washington into evidence that he is fresh, new, and can provide an alternative to partisanship - themes which play well with the adoring media in tow.

Unless the Republicans stop tearing each other to pieces about the 2006 election results and who is "real" conservative or not, President Obama could be a possibility.

Regards, Ivan

1 posted on 01/17/2007 6:40:53 AM PST by MadIvan
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To: Mrs Ivan; odds; DCPatriot; Deetes; Barset; fanfan; LadyofShalott; Tolik; mtngrl@vrwc; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 01/17/2007 6:41:23 AM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: MadIvan

Word from Il. is that this guy is a very very bad choice. Loser and disliked by those that are serious about Politics.....


3 posted on 01/17/2007 6:44:05 AM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: MadIvan
Honest Abe from Illinois.
That scamp was from Kentucky.

Brother Dave Gardner
4 posted on 01/17/2007 6:45:27 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto")
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To: MadIvan

Having no Washington experience could conceivably be a plus for a candidate -- but not a candidate with no accomplishments, no executive experience, and no concrete ideas.


5 posted on 01/17/2007 6:46:17 AM PST by Maceman (This is America. Why must we press "1" for English?)
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To: MadIvan

The last "fresh, new" president we had was outsider Jimmy Carter.

And Lincoln was a Republican.


6 posted on 01/17/2007 6:47:02 AM PST by Let's Roll ("...given the choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor - you will have war"- W.Churchill)
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To: MadIvan
Tax and spend big government waiting behind a veil of glittering generalities.
7 posted on 01/17/2007 6:47:24 AM PST by BenLurkin
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To: Maceman

Obama and Lincoln do have one thing in common: They are both Socialist who have no regard whatsoever for the Constitution.


8 posted on 01/17/2007 6:48:55 AM PST by IrwinvilleConservative
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To: BenLurkin

I knew Abraham Lincoln. Abraham Lincoln was a friend of mine. Senator, you're no Abraham Lincoln.


9 posted on 01/17/2007 6:49:26 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: MadIvan
"The decisions that have been made in Washington these past six years, and the problems that have been ignored, have put our country in a precarious place," Obama said.

Coming from a man who will only work 3 days a week in the Senate

Oh .. and this writer failed to mentioin the college in CA that Obama attended

10 posted on 01/17/2007 6:49:40 AM PST by Mo1 (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC AND DONATE)
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To: MadIvan

Remember that it took a long time for events to take place in 1861. It took weeks, not minutes to mount an attack. There were no nukes.

Lincoln had established himself as one of the nation's top business attorneys, representing railroads and other interests. He had traveled the nation and people knew his stands. Obama is not Lincoln and the world is a different place.


11 posted on 01/17/2007 6:50:26 AM PST by mak5
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To: MadIvan

12 posted on 01/17/2007 6:51:00 AM PST by TC Rider (The United States Constitution 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: Maceman

Democrats have ideas? Where have I been?


13 posted on 01/17/2007 6:51:36 AM PST by wastedyears ("Gun control is hitting your target accurately." - Richard Marcinko)
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To: MadIvan
For all those historians and political naysayers, Sen. Barack Obama's allies like to point out that Abraham Lincoln served just two years in the House before becoming president.

Different times. And just because Lincoln proved that he was up to the challenges doesn't mean Obama is.

14 posted on 01/17/2007 6:54:01 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Let's Roll

Obama wants us to look at him and think "Lincoln?"
Wow, how's that modesty thing workin' for ya?


15 posted on 01/17/2007 6:56:17 AM PST by Right Cal Gal (I wouldn't believe liberals if their tongues came notarized!)
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To: MadIvan
First he was likened to RFK, that moved on to JFK, now he's Abe Lincoln.

Even osamaObama doesn't know who he is.

16 posted on 01/17/2007 6:58:13 AM PST by OldFriend (THE PRESS IS AN EVIL FOR WHICH THERE IS NO REMEDY)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Furthermore, nothing that Obama has produced is of the same quality as the Lincoln-Douglas debates.

Regards, Ivan

17 posted on 01/17/2007 6:58:35 AM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: MadIvan

If you read about the 1860 Republican Convention, you'll find that Lincoln was a compromise candidate, intended to unite the party. The real irony, though, is that the people who hated Lincoln, wanted to keep slavery, and formed the Confederacy were Democrats. Obama's political ancestors wanted to keep people like him as merchandise.


18 posted on 01/17/2007 6:59:21 AM PST by popdonnelly
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To: TC Rider

Hahaha


19 posted on 01/17/2007 6:59:29 AM PST by wastedyears ("Gun control is hitting your target accurately." - Richard Marcinko)
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To: MadIvan

(cue violins)

Obama, a proud black man, was forced to do his homework by candlelight using charcoal to write with ... at Punahou and Harvard.

Watch for Obama to go on the rail-splitting trail this summer.


20 posted on 01/17/2007 6:59:36 AM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: Maceman

Clearly the rest of the demonrat party has rejected osamaObama's new political tone for America. They've chosen Webb to give the response to the SOTU. Clearly Webb will make Boxer's personal attack seem toothless.


21 posted on 01/17/2007 7:00:11 AM PST by OldFriend (THE PRESS IS AN EVIL FOR WHICH THERE IS NO REMEDY)
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To: silverleaf
Lincoln also volunteered to fight in the Black Hawk War.

Regards, Ivan

22 posted on 01/17/2007 7:01:11 AM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: OldFriend

I'm curious. If his father was black and his mother was white, why would he be the first black president?


23 posted on 01/17/2007 7:01:44 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: MadIvan
Furthermore, nothing that Obama has produced is of the same quality as the Lincoln-Douglas debates.

You could say that of any one of the candidates out there, regardless of party. Obama is bright, no question about it. He's articulate and no doubt sincere. But he hasn't been tested, and this is not the time to go with untested leadership.

24 posted on 01/17/2007 7:02:32 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: MadIvan

The selling begins..............


25 posted on 01/17/2007 7:02:34 AM PST by headstamp (Nothing lasts forever, Unless it does.)
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To: MadIvan; pookie18

26 posted on 01/17/2007 7:02:34 AM PST by reagan_fanatic (You'll shoot your eye out, kid)
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To: Non-Sequitur

If Obama wants to be like Lincoln, he should be more conservative, since Lincoln was a Republican.

Instead of comparing himself to someone who was President about 145 years ago, he should remember how well recent democrat presidential candidates have been. The last five democrat presidential nominess who had ever been U.S. senators are John Kerry, Al Gore, Walter Mondale, George McGovern, and Hubert Humphrey, and all five of them lost. If the Democrats nominate Sen. Obama, Sen. Clinton, Sen. Biden, or Sen. Dodd, the Republican will probably win.


27 posted on 01/17/2007 7:02:38 AM PST by PhilCollins
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To: TC Rider

LMAO!

Very clever.


28 posted on 01/17/2007 7:02:43 AM PST by Constitution Day ("Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored." Aldous Huxley)
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To: Right Cal Gal
Obama wants us to look at him and think "Lincoln?"

A better parallel is the last time any major party tried someone this inexperienced, Wendell Willkie in 1940. Willkie also rode a big media blitz to national prominence, though he lost to FDR.

29 posted on 01/17/2007 7:04:33 AM PST by SpringheelJack
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To: tgambill
"Word from Il. is that this guy is a very very bad choice. Loser and disliked by those that are serious about Politics.....

That was also the word in Arkansas about billy before he was elected.

30 posted on 01/17/2007 7:05:42 AM PST by avg_freeper (Gunga galunga. Gunga, gunga galunga)
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To: MadIvan

The TV coverage in the Chicago area is vomit inducing. It's wall-to-wall Obamarama. There was only one channel that didn't have constant coverage of this dork this morning. The news people are peeing themselves with excitement.

I just don't get it. He hasn't done ANYTHING. Nothing for Illinois. Nothing for the nation. Nothing period. But these people are acting like he's the second coming.


31 posted on 01/17/2007 7:05:53 AM PST by retrokitten (I heart global warming)
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To: retrokitten
It says much that the Democrats prefer a vacuum to those people in their party who actually do have a record.

My fear is this - that buoyed by a message of renewal and good will, he'll escape serious scrutiny. I think he's intelligent enough to pick a VP candidate who balances his inexperience and meshes with his themes of working together. If I were his campaign manager, I would suggest Gov. Phil Breseden (D-TN). If the Republicans go through a bloody primary, the ticket could be tough to defeat.

Regards, Ivan

32 posted on 01/17/2007 7:08:32 AM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: MadIvan

Remember, we got 2 Presidents, Carter and Clinton by the dimwits bringing in an unknown person and making them into a "superstar".

Ask yourself, do you want another one?


33 posted on 01/17/2007 7:09:55 AM PST by freekitty
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To: retrokitten

****I just don't get it. He hasn't done ANYTHING. Nothing for Illinois. Nothing for the nation. Nothing period. But these people are acting like he's the second coming.****

Doing nothing for a democrat is a plus.

.................................................

The dear senator needs a history lesson....Lincoln never advocated cutting the running.

In fact precisely the opposite, Lincoln would not accept defeat.


34 posted on 01/17/2007 7:13:34 AM PST by Basheva
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To: freekitty
The Republicans desperately need someone who is charismatic, experienced, and doesn't cause conservatives to tear each others guts out. I'm having difficulty thinking of who could fill that role.

Regards, Ivan

35 posted on 01/17/2007 7:14:20 AM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: MadIvan

Someone should say to Obama "So there have been no democrats from Illinois you can use as an example?"


36 posted on 01/17/2007 7:15:18 AM PST by dleecomeback07 (Does anyone have a QB the Bears can borrow?)
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To: MadIvan

He'll probably pick Angelina Jolie. :-P

Seriously though, I do agree with you. It could get ugly for the GOP. The only positive is that now he will come under more scrutiny and things like his dealings with Tony Rezco (sp?) will get more attention.


37 posted on 01/17/2007 7:15:50 AM PST by retrokitten (I heart global warming)
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To: dleecomeback07
The last Illinois politician to become President was Lincoln. I suppose he could emulate Adlai Stevenson, but a two time loser against Ike like him is probably not what he has in mind.

Regards, Ivan

38 posted on 01/17/2007 7:16:48 AM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: retrokitten

With Turban Durbin kissing the you know what's of all the islamofascists and Obama doing everything he can to avoid being on the Senate floor does Illinois have a current Senator?

PLEASE GARY FENCIK RUN PLEASE GARY FENCIK RUN!


39 posted on 01/17/2007 7:17:02 AM PST by dleecomeback07 (Does anyone have a QB the Bears can borrow?)
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To: retrokitten
The only positive is that now he will come under more scrutiny and things like his dealings with Tony Rezco (sp?) will get more attention.

I don't think so. The media is definitely on his side and will run interference.

Regards, Ivan

40 posted on 01/17/2007 7:18:54 AM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: MadIvan
"Our leaders in Washington seem incapable of working together in a practical, commonsense way," Obama said in a video posted on his Web site. "Politics has become so bitter and partisan, so gummed up by money and influence, that we can't tackle the big problems that demand solutions. And that's what we have to change first."


One of the fundamental problem in this country is that voters only listen to or read (admittedly great) verbiage like the above and never bother to ask themselves "can this person actually do something about the problem?".

"Doing something" should not include 'profiting from' or assigning blame for'.
41 posted on 01/17/2007 7:20:48 AM PST by mad puppy ( 2007 is going to be great)
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To: dleecomeback07
PLEASE GARY FENCIK RUN PLEASE GARY FENCIK RUN!

With Doug Plank as his running mate.

42 posted on 01/17/2007 7:21:05 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: MadIvan

hussein obama's just an icon--a tv image that makes a lotta leftists horny.

retired women that i know sit around all day watching tv and they've already decided: obama is their man!


43 posted on 01/17/2007 7:21:40 AM PST by ken21 (it takes a village to brainwash your child + to steal your property! /s)
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To: MadIvan
"The 'Godhood' Of Senator Obama And The Problem It Poses To His Presidential Aspirations.

Wonder how Lincoln would've felt about Louis Farrakhan...?

44 posted on 01/17/2007 7:22:16 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: Dog Gone
Because the man is black!

None of this has any relevance to his intellect which is truly lacking.

Rhetoric is not substance. And when it comes to substance, his voting record proves he is far to the left of most of his own party.

45 posted on 01/17/2007 7:28:49 AM PST by OldFriend (THE PRESS IS AN EVIL FOR WHICH THERE IS NO REMEDY)
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To: MadIvan
I don't think so. The media is definitely on his side and will run interference.

The press is fickle. It's entirely possible that they will flock to a new flavor-of-the-month between now and the primaries.

46 posted on 01/17/2007 7:30:22 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
I would have said that several months ago, but we are coming up to a period of years now; the love affair began almost as soon as Dr. Keyes was drafted in, and national attention focused on the 2004 Illinois Senate Race.

I also believe that many in the media are so desperate for a Democrat saviour that they'll even cling to an empty suit.

Regards, Ivan

47 posted on 01/17/2007 7:32:35 AM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: reagan_fanatic

LOL!


48 posted on 01/17/2007 7:35:58 AM PST by wastedyears ("Gun control is hitting your target accurately." - Richard Marcinko)
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To: MadIvan

I wonder if anyone has pointed out to Obama that Lincoln's entire presidency consisted of him getting us into the deadliest, most devestating and most unpopular war in American history.


49 posted on 01/17/2007 7:38:43 AM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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50 posted on 01/17/2007 7:43:44 AM PST by Lazamataz (You are not your mind. You are not your emotions. You are not your pain. All you are is love.)
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